| Author | Message | ||
| Rcs (Rcs)
New member Username: Rcs Post Number: 1 Registered: 9-2008 |
It almost killed him. They said it was his fault. If he hadn't proved them wrong, he might not have died. | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
New member Username: Gourami Post Number: 170 Registered: 2-2008 |
It= it? (do the two "it"s refer to the same thing?) him=his=he? (do all refer to the same man?) They= them? Is they a group of humans? Adults? 2 people? 3? 5 or more? 20 or more? Is he human? Adult? | ||
| Rcs (Rcs)
New member Username: Rcs Post Number: 3 Registered: 9-2008 |
It= it? (do the two "it"s refer to the same thing?) Yes. him=his=he? (do all refer to the same man?) Yes. They= them? Yes. Is they a group of humans? Yes. Adults? Yes. 2 people? 3? 5 or more? 20 or more? This one. Is he human? Yes. Adult? Yes. | ||
| Bigpurple (Bigpurple)
New member Username: Bigpurple Post Number: 45 Registered: 8-2008 |
Was he performing some daredevil act? trick plane flying? motorcycle stunts (like Evel Knievel)? parachuting? | ||
| Rcs (Rcs)
New member Username: Rcs Post Number: 5 Registered: 9-2008 |
Was he performing some daredevil act? Yesish. trick plane flying? motorcycle stunts (like Evel Knievel)? parachuting? None of these. | ||
| Liquizt (Liquizt)
New member Username: Liquizt Post Number: 393 Registered: 5-2008 |
Real? FYOI (From Your Own Imagination? Did it literally almost kill him? Was it his fault? Did he prove them wrong? Did he die? Are all of the group male? female? Relevant? The something that almost killed him was his fault? This it/something is tangible? Was it something he built/invented/designed? If he hadn't proved them wrong about it being his fault he might not have died? If he hadn't proved them wrong regarding something else he might not have died? He proved them wrong by building/inventing/designing it? He proved them wrong by demonstrating it? He performed a life-threatening stunt? Did he recognise the danger? Did he know he would die? Would his actions be considered tv-worthy? Were his actions recorded in some means? for the general public? for tv? for radio? for an article (in a newspaper/magazine etc.)? Date relevant? location? | ||
| Rcs (Rcs)
New member Username: Rcs Post Number: 6 Registered: 9-2008 |
Real? Yes. FYOI (From Your Own Imagination? Did it literally almost kill him? Yes. Was it his fault? No. Did he prove them wrong? Yes. Did he die? Yes. Are all of the group male? Mostly, but probably not all. female? Relevant? Not especially. The something that almost killed him was his fault? No. This it/something is tangible? Yope. Was it something he built/invented/designed? No. If he hadn't proved them wrong about it being his fault he might not have died? Yes. If he hadn't proved them wrong regarding something else he might not have died? No. He proved them wrong by building/inventing/designing it? No. He proved them wrong by demonstrating it? Yesish. He performed a life-threatening stunt? Yope. Did he recognise the danger? Yes. Did he know he would die? Clarify when. Would his actions be considered tv-worthy? Yes. Were his actions recorded in some means? for the general public? for tv? for radio? for an article (in a newspaper/magazine etc.)? Yes. Date relevant? Yes. location? Yes. | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 1460 Registered: 3-2006 |
Galileo? Eppur si muove? | ||
| Rcs (Rcs)
New member Username: Rcs Post Number: 7 Registered: 9-2008 |
Galileo? Eppur si muove? No. Nothing to do with that. | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
New member Username: Gourami Post Number: 178 Registered: 2-2008 |
Did something go wrong in the initial stunt/feat? Did he perform the same feat again to prove that something wasn't his fault? Did he know he would die in trying to prove them wrong? Did he suspect he might? | ||
| Rcs (Rcs)
New member Username: Rcs Post Number: 8 Registered: 9-2008 |
Did something go wrong in the initial stunt/feat? Yes. Did he perform the same feat again to prove that something wasn't his fault? Noish. Did he know he would die in trying to prove them wrong? Did he suspect he might? No to both. | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
New member Username: Gourami Post Number: 180 Registered: 2-2008 |
Did he die doing something that would be considered "daredevil"? Did they see him die? Are "they" simply his viewing audience? Critics? A panel of judges? Did he prove them wrong by...re-examining his first stunt? Preforming something different but equally dangerous? Speaking to them? | ||
| Rcs (Rcs)
New member Username: Rcs Post Number: 9 Registered: 9-2008 |
Did he die doing something that would be considered "daredevil"? Yope. Did they see him die? Clarify "they." Are "they" simply his viewing audience? No, possible FA. Critics? Closer. A panel of judges? no. Did he prove them wrong by...re-examining his first stunt? Yesish. Preforming something different but equally dangerous? No. Speaking to them? Probably, but not particularly relevant. It's only important THAT he proved that some particular thing wasn't his fault. | ||
| Rcs (Rcs)
New member Username: Rcs Post Number: 13 Registered: 9-2008 |
Is anyone still interested in this puzzle? It's been idle for a couple of days now. If another few days go by without anymore posts, I'll try to do a recap, but I don't really want to yet, as I don't think there's really enough new information to merit one yet. Or, if people are TOTALLY stumped and want to have a hint, I'll give you one, just to get things going again. | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 340 Registered: 5-2003 |
Witches relevant? Had he been accused of something? For example, did everyone think he had doctored a rival's equipment, he claimed it was just defective, then proved it when his own was defective and killed him? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
New member Username: Gourami Post Number: 184 Registered: 2-2008 |
My puzzles lie idle for days at a time, too. It isn't a very fast-moving forum. Did he die doing the same stunt again? Checking the equipment he had used? Would it be useful to find out exactly what the initial stunt was? | ||
| Rcs (Rcs)
New member Username: Rcs Post Number: 14 Registered: 9-2008 |
Witches relevant? No. Had he been accused of something? Yope. For example, did everyone think he had doctored a rival's equipment, he claimed it was just defective, then proved it when his own was defective and killed him? No. Did he die doing the same stunt again? Yope.Checking the equipment he had used? Noish. Would it be useful to find out exactly what the initial stunt was? YES! A small hint: He did not die in the process of proving that whatever happened wasn't his fault. He died LATER, but the fact that he'd proved the first thing wasn't his fault was a factor in his death. | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
New member Username: Gourami Post Number: 187 Registered: 2-2008 |
Did it involve...a motorcycle? Trampoline? Water? Sealed box? Fire? Cold temperature? Gun? Knife? Sword? Animal? Electricity? A magic trick? A dare? | ||
| Rcs (Rcs)
New member Username: Rcs Post Number: 16 Registered: 9-2008 |
Did it involve...a motorcycle? No. Trampoline? No. Water? Yope. Sealed box? No. Fire? Fire is relevant, but not to the initial stunt. Cold temperature? Yope. Gun? No. Knife? No. Sword? No. Animal? No. Electricity? No, but something that ran on electricity. A magic trick? No. A dare? No. Stop thinking of it in terms of a "stunt" in the traditional sense. What he did was dangerous, but it had a practical purpose. | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 176 Registered: 6-2008 |
Something that ran on electricity, with "yopes" to water and cold temperature: A refrigerator? freezer? ice maker? some other household appliance/device? Was the thing that went wrong during the first act a malfunction of the device that ran on electricity?(in other words, it was used for its intended purpose, but did not operate as designed) or was it caused by something else? | ||
| Rcs (Rcs)
New member Username: Rcs Post Number: 18 Registered: 9-2008 |
Something that ran on electricity, with "yopes" to water and cold temperature: A refrigerator? freezer? ice maker? some other household appliance/device? No to all of these. Was the thing that went wrong during the first act a malfunction of the device that ran on electricity?(in other words, it was used for its intended purpose, but did not operate as designed) This one. or was it caused by something else? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
New member Username: Gourami Post Number: 189 Registered: 2-2008 |
Is ice involved? Is he in a cold climate? Is his exact location relevant? Could what he was doing be described as a chore? His job/profession? Recreational activity? Trying to get out of an already dangerous situation? | ||
| Rcs (Rcs)
New member Username: Rcs Post Number: 19 Registered: 9-2008 |
Is ice involved? No. Is he in a cold climate? Not when the thing goes wrong, but what he does involves going somewhere cold (but there's a clear FA). Is his exact location relevant? Yope. Could what he was doing be described as a chore? His job/profession? This one. Recreational activity? Trying to get out of an already dangerous situation? Hint: Figure out the MANNER of his near-death, as well as his actual death. | ||
| Noobdogg (Noobdogg)
New member Username: Noobdogg Post Number: 561 Registered: 9-2007 |
Were they in fact wrong? Was his proof technically sound? Or were they correct and his proof flawed? Did the fact that he proved the first thing wasn't his fault lead him/them to not take a vital precaution in the second act that led to his actual death? Is some watersport relevant? | ||
| Rcs (Rcs)
New member Username: Rcs Post Number: 20 Registered: 9-2008 |
Were they in fact wrong? Yes. Was his proof technically sound? Presumably, but not particularly relevant. Or were they correct and his proof flawed? No. Did the fact that he proved the first thing wasn't his fault lead him/them to not take a vital precaution in the second act that led to his actual death? Yes. Is some watersport relevant? No, and I think you've got an FA regarding the relevance of water. | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
New member Username: Gourami Post Number: 197 Registered: 2-2008 |
Was he drinking something? His clothing at all relevant? Manner of his near death: Burning? Freezing? Puncture wound? Falling? Hit by a vehicle? Hit by some other blunt force? Poison? Asphyxiation? Drowning? Internal/medical problem? Are the manners of the near-death and death the same? If not, for actual death: Burning? Freezing? Puncture wound? Falling? Hit by a vehicle? Hit by some other blunt force? Poison? Asphyxiation? Drowning? Internal/medical problem? | ||
| Rcs (Rcs)
New member Username: Rcs Post Number: 23 Registered: 9-2008 |
Was he drinking something? No. His clothing at all relevant? Not really. Manner of his near death: Burning? Freezing? Puncture wound? Falling? Hit by a vehicle? Hit by some other blunt force? Poison? Asphyxiation? Drowning? This one.Internal/medical problem? Are the manners of the near-death and death the same? No, good question. If not, for actual death: Burning? This one. Freezing? Puncture wound? Falling? Hit by a vehicle? Hit by some other blunt force? Poison? Asphyxiation? This one too, as a consequence of burning. Drowning? Internal/medical problem? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
New member Username: Gourami Post Number: 200 Registered: 2-2008 |
Is his profession; fishing? Studying marine life? sailing/anything on a ship? Flying? Construction of any kind? | ||
| Rcs (Rcs)
New member Username: Rcs Post Number: 24 Registered: 9-2008 |
Is his profession; fishing? No. Studying marine life? No. sailing/anything on a ship? No. Flying? Yope. Construction of any kind? No. HINT: Figure out time and place. | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
New member Username: Gourami Post Number: 202 Registered: 2-2008 |
Are we in North America? South America? Europe? Asia? Africa? Australia? Antarctica? Near the ocean? Is the time of day relevant? The year? Was this man famous? Does he do anything on a plane? Or from a high platform? A zip line? Was what he was trying to prove something about a piece of equipment? A certain method of doing things? A certain place? | ||
| Rcs (Rcs)
New member Username: Rcs Post Number: 26 Registered: 9-2008 |
Are we in North America? This one. South America? Europe? Asia? Africa? Australia? Antarctica? Near the ocean? Yes. Is the time of day relevant? Not especially. The year? Yes. Was this man famous? Yes. Does he do anything on a plane? No. Or from a high platform? No. A zip line? No. Was what he was trying to prove something about a piece of equipment? Yes. A certain method of doing things? No. A certain place? No. | ||
| Rcs (Rcs)
New member Username: Rcs Post Number: 32 Registered: 9-2008 |
This has been idle a few days now. Do people need a recap (if you need one, I'm happy to provide one). | ||
| Travis (Travis)
New member Username: Travis Post Number: 166 Registered: 12-2007 |
Was this man famous in the: 1500's? 1600's? 1700's? 1800's? 1900's? 2000's? Are we near the Atlantic, Pacific, or Arctic Ocean? Was he burned for being a heretic? | ||
| Bigpurple (Bigpurple)
New member Username: Bigpurple Post Number: 63 Registered: 8-2008 |
Was it Houdini? | ||
| Rcs (Rcs)
New member Username: Rcs Post Number: 33 Registered: 9-2008 |
Was this man famous in the: 1500's? 1600's? 1700's? 1800's? 1900's? This one. 2000's? Are we near the Atlantic This one., Pacific, or Arctic Ocean? Was he burned for being a heretic? No. Was it Houdini? No. | ||
| Rcs (Rcs)
New member Username: Rcs Post Number: 35 Registered: 9-2008 |
RECAP: A certain adult male who was famous in the 1900's nearly drowned as the result of an accident that occurred while he was doing something dangerous (but with a clear practical purpose) near the Atlantic Ocean. What he was doing was somewhat connected with flying, and cold temperatures were also semi-involved (but in a lateral sense, and they had nothing to do with the accident). A group of people said that the accident was his fault, but he proved it wasn't (manner of proof irrelevant). However, the fact that he proved the first accident wasn't his fault was part of the reason he burned to death (technically, died of asphyxiation from smoke inhalation) on a later occasion. | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
New member Username: Gourami Post Number: 222 Registered: 2-2008 |
Because he proved it wasn't his fault, was he allowed to go on to do something else? Because he proved it, did he feel he didn't have to make the second incident safer? Would the second incident have killed anyone? Could he have made it reasonably safe, but didn't? Did his job involve studying/investigating something? Clearing land? Technology that was new in his day? The automobile? Is it a job done nowadays? Did he die pre-1950? | ||
| Rcs (Rcs)
New member Username: Rcs Post Number: 36 Registered: 9-2008 |
Because he proved it wasn't his fault, was he allowed to go on to do something else? No, that's not the connection. Because he proved it, did he feel he didn't have to make the second incident safer? Not really, and it wasn't his choice to make. Would the second incident have killed anyone? Yes, and it DID kill other people as well. Could he have made it reasonably safe, but didn't? No. Did his job involve studying/investigating something? In a lateral sort of way. Clearing land? No. Technology that was new in his day? YES! The automobile? No. Is it a job done nowadays? Yes, and it's much more routine now (although still somewhat risky). Did he die pre-1950? No. This whole chain of events could only have happened AFTER 1950. | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
New member Username: Gourami Post Number: 231 Registered: 2-2008 |
Computers? Medical technology? Nuclear power? Any other type of power source? | ||
| Rcs (Rcs)
New member Username: Rcs Post Number: 38 Registered: 9-2008 |
Computers? Medical technology? Nuclear power? Any other type of power source? Not specifically any of these. What ELSE was new in the second half of the 20th century? (HINT: Finding out the exact decade may help.) | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 379 Registered: 5-2003 |
I reckon I know this, and I've pmailed you the answer. This happened in the '60s, right? :p | ||
| Rcs (Rcs)
New member Username: Rcs Post Number: 39 Registered: 9-2008 |
I reckon I know this, and I've pmailed you the answer. Your emailed answer is correct. I'm going to wait a little while to spoil this one so that other people can keep guessing. This happened in the '60s, right? Yes. | ||
| Rcs (Rcs)
New member Username: Rcs Post Number: 40 Registered: 9-2008 |
Do people want me to go ahead and spoil this, now that Jenburdoo's figured it out, or do you want to keep guessing a little longer? | ||
| Danielvs (Danielvs)
New member Username: Danielvs Post Number: 330 Registered: 9-2006 |
Is altitude related to this puzzle? Was he an astronaut? Balloon involved? | ||
| Rcs (Rcs)
New member Username: Rcs Post Number: 41 Registered: 9-2008 |
Is altitude related to this puzzle? Yope. Was he an astronaut? YES! Balloon involved? No. | ||
| Danielvs (Danielvs)
New member Username: Danielvs Post Number: 332 Registered: 9-2006 |
Gus Grissom? | ||
| Rcs (Rcs)
New member Username: Rcs Post Number: 43 Registered: 9-2008 |
Gus Grissom? YES! Now figure out how all the pieces fit together. | ||
| Danielvs (Danielvs)
New member Username: Danielvs Post Number: 345 Registered: 9-2006 |
The sinking of Liberty Bell 7 almost killed Gus Grissom. They said it was his fault: he would have panicked at splashdown, having accidentally blown his hatch. He almost drowned. He wanted to prove he was a good astronaut, among the best of NASA, and he was later selected to be part of the Gemini program, which would offer him a chance to redeem himself. Unfortunately, he was killed with 2 other colleagues during the tests of the Apollo 1, which exploded still on the ground. | ||
| Rcs (Rcs)
New member Username: Rcs Post Number: 44 Registered: 9-2008 |
The sinking of Liberty Bell 7 almost killed Gus Grissom. They said it was his fault: he would have panicked at splashdown, having accidentally blown his hatch. He almost drowned. He wanted to prove he was a good astronaut, among the best of NASA, and he was later selected to be part of the Gemini program, which would offer him a chance to redeem himself. Unfortunately, he was killed with 2 other colleagues during the tests of the Apollo 1, which exploded still on the ground. Danielvs, you've got it! Mostly. There's one small difference I had in mind, but you've essentially got it. *****************SPOILER******************* Astronaut Gus Grissom was the second American in space. His Mercury flight, Liberty Bell 7 nearly met with disaster right after splashdown when the explosive hatch (i.e. a hatch triggered by an explosive charge in order to allow a quick egress in an emergency) spontaneously detonated. The capsule filled with water and sank, and Grissom nearly drowned. In the following months, most of NASA and the astronaut community blamed Grissom for the accident, saying he must have blown the hatch himself. However, Grissom, along with several other astronauts who went to bat for him, managed to prove that the the hatch could blow on its own; therefore, the accident wasn't Grissom's fault. This restored Grissom to active flight status, but more importantly, it led NASA to redesign its later Gemini and Apollo capsules without the explosive hatches. The new hatches were much harder to open accidentally, but they also took much longer to open in an emergency. Thus, when Apollo 1 caught fire on the launchpad six years later, Grissom and his two crewmates were unable to the hatch open in time to escape from the fire. If Apollo 1 had been fitted with an explosive hatch like the early Mercury capsules, they might have been saved. Hope you guys all enjoyed the puzzle! | ||
| Danielvs (Danielvs)
New member Username: Danielvs Post Number: 348 Registered: 9-2006 |
...it led NASA to redesign its later Gemini and Apollo capsules without the explosive hatches. The new hatches were much harder to open accidentally, but they also took much longer to open in an emergency. Thus, when Apollo 1 caught fire on the launchpad six years later, Grissom and his two crewmates were unable to the hatch open in time to escape from the fire. Wow, this makes the story much more interesting. What a sad irony! | ||
| Rcs (Rcs)
New member Username: Rcs Post Number: 45 Registered: 9-2008 |
Yeah, I've known about the irony for some time, but it wasn't until I discovered this forum that I realized what a GREAT lateral thinking puzzle this would make. I'm glad you enjoyed it! | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
New member Username: Gourami Post Number: 291 Registered: 2-2008 |
Nice puzzle, and what an unfortunate end! |
