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Sollen (Sollen)
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Posted on Sunday, November 16, 2008 - 10:30 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Josh is in a car talking with his father when his father pulls up to a curb. A man the father has never spoken to or heard of before walks up to the father gives the father 40 dollars, then tells Josh to come with him. Josh happily gets out of the car and waves goodbye to his father before following the man; Josh and father never see each other again. Neither Josh nor his father are upseat about this or consider it at all unusual, why not?
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Posted on Monday, November 17, 2008 - 1:10 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Josh = H? A? M?
Father = H? A? M?
A man = H? A? M?
Sollen (Sollen)
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Josh = H? A? M?
Father = H? A? M?
A man = H? A? M?

no to josh being adult, yes to rest
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Posted on Monday, November 17, 2008 - 9:11 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the father Josh's actual biological father?
Has Josh seen the man before?
Sollen (Sollen)
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Is the father Josh's actual biological father?
yes

Has Josh seen the man before?
yes
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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Posted on Monday, November 17, 2008 - 5:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Time period relevant? War relevant?
Sollen (Sollen)
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Time period relevant? War relevant?
no to both, assume current day time
Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
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Did Josh? and his father? know that they would never see? each other? again?
Will Josh and his father ever hear from each other again?
Does everybody go blind?
Does anybody die? (at some point that is relevant to the puzzle)
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Is Josh's age relevant?
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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Was John blind? Was his father?
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Place relevant? Is the fact that the father gives the man money relevant? Does Josh know the man, even though his father doesn't?
Sollen (Sollen)
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Did Josh? and his father? know that they would never see? each other? again?
that alot of question marks. yes to all of them

Will Josh and his father ever hear from each other again?
no
Does everybody go blind? no
Does anybody die? (at some point that is relevant to the puzzle) nope


Is Josh's age relevant?
not very, i assume around 7 years old

Was John blind? Was his father?
nice try, but no


Place relevant? no Is the fact that the father gives the man money relevant? yes Does Josh know the man, even though his father doesn't? yes
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Does Josh's father usually let his offspring leave him never to return? Is Josh's father his legal guardian? If so, does the father relinquish guardianship? Does Josh ever see his mother again? Are Josh's mother and father married? Is the man related to Josh?
Sollen (Sollen)
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Does Josh's father usually let his offspring leave him never to return? noish Is Josh's father his legal guardian? no If so, does the father relinquish guardianship? see last question Does Josh ever see his mother again? yes Are Josh's mother and father married? no Is the man related to Josh? yope
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Stop there. You just said the father gave the man money. Puzzle statement says the other way around.

Which is right?
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Had Josh ever seen his father before?

IS JOSH A CLONE?!?!?!?!

Are any laws involved?
Is Josh's mother his legal guardian?
Is Josh's mother married?
Is somebody other than Josh's mother his legal guardian?
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Is the man Josh's stepfather?
Sollen (Sollen)
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Stop there. You just said the father gave the man money. Puzzle statement says the other way around.

Which is right? okay i'm guilty of assuming the question said something it didin't. the man gave the farther money, and that fact is relevent

Had Josh ever seen his father before? no

IS JOSH A CLONE?!?!?!?! no

Are any laws involved? not really
Is Josh's mother his legal guardian? yes
Is Josh's mother married? yes
Is somebody other than Josh's mother his legal guardian? no

Is the man Josh's stepfather? yes

practically solved now; anyone want to finish this up?
Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
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Did the father take the son to a Broadway show that only he would be able to go to with the son and the stepfather agreed to pay the father for the cost of the ticket only after the show if and only if Josh was still alive?
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OK...

so Josh is in a taxi and the taxi driver is actually his biological father but neither of them are aware of this? perhaps the taxi driver was a sperm donor? or perhaps he didn't know he had fathered a child? or knew he had, but did not know this was his child? and the taxi delivers the child to the child's house where he lives with his mother and stepfather? and the stepfather pays the fare and takes Josh in?
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So...Josh was a prom-night accident which his father didn't really want; his father is useless, and probably a terrible influence to josh, but wanted to see him once in his life. After getting the chance to do so, his stepfather pays him to get lost forever, and everyone is satisfied with that?

Is the above poorly-educated guess close to correct?
Sollen (Sollen)
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Posted on Monday, November 17, 2008 - 8:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

so Josh is in a taxi and the taxi driver is actually his biological father but neither of them are aware of this? perhaps the taxi driver was a sperm donor? or perhaps he didn't know he had fathered a child? or knew he had, but did not know this was his child? and the taxi delivers the child to the child's house where he lives with his mother and stepfather? and the stepfather pays the fare and takes Josh in?

that is it exactly, I guess all that is left to do is say

SPOILER


you guys solved that fast, I forgot the difference between giving a puzzle to experianced puzzlers vs novices
Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
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Posted on Monday, November 17, 2008 - 8:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I kinda like Vagary's answer better...
Kdoc (Kdoc)
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Posted on Monday, November 17, 2008 - 8:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Sorry to jump in with my size nines and finish it off after others had done the hard work... We used to call that 'swooping' - not sure if folk still use that term on here

It's actually quite a nice lateral puzzle in the classic style, thanks
Vagary (Vagary)
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I've called that "scavenging" haha.
Sollen (Sollen)
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Posted on Monday, November 17, 2008 - 8:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I like vagary idea too, mabye i'll save it and create a puzzle around it to post in three months or so when everyone has forgotten it ;)

and I have always prefered the classical style so I usualy try to stick close to it. Unfortunatly that seems to make it harder to come up with good puzzles.
Kdoc (Kdoc)
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Posted on Monday, November 17, 2008 - 8:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well it takes me about three years to come up with anything halfway decent so I bow to anyone who can keep inventing them (I'm very envious of Nimue for instance who creates some really good ones)
Sollen (Sollen)
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Posted on Monday, November 17, 2008 - 8:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

yeah i always use to enjoy nimue's before I disappeared for a year or two. I use to come up with them kind of fast but I sort of used up all my good ideas a while ago. now I stumble on a good concept once in a great while
Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
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Posted on Monday, November 17, 2008 - 9:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I like the classic style as well, Sollen. I enjoy such seemingly counter intuitive puzzles. Yay!
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Posted on Monday, November 17, 2008 - 10:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Excellent - sorry I missed this one. I like the classic style ones, but they're hard to think of.
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Posted on Tuesday, November 18, 2008 - 2:03 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

That's what makes them so fun.

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