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Unleashedllama (Unleashedllama)
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Posted on Friday, November 14, 2008 - 6:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Something was reintroduced at my workplace due to popular demand recently. There was even a petition in favour of bringing it back. However it only returned for a day before being removed again, as it seemed nobody wanted it.

Why?
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Was it a vending machine? Different drinks that weren't so good or more expensive?
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A smoking room?
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Was it only ever intended to return for a day? Was the point of the petition to bring it back for a day, and then discontinue it again, as they knew in advance they wouldn't want it any longer?
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The petition came from your co-workers? General public?

Does the "something" involve handling money?
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Something = tangible? intangible? Hammurabi relevant? Water relevant?
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Is what your workplace is relevant? If so:
a lab?
a school?
an office?
a factory or manufacturing plant?
a kitchen or bakery?
a retail store?
a warehouse?
a gym or other place where people go to do a physical acivity?
Unleashedllama (Unleashedllama)
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Was it a vending machine? no-ish Different drinks that weren't so good or more expensive? yes-ish


A smoking room? no


Was it only ever intended to return for a day? no Was the point of the petition to bring it back for a day, and then discontinue it again, as they knew in advance they wouldn't want it any longer? no


The petition came from your co-workers? yes General public? no

Does the "something" involve handling money? no


Something = tangible? yes intangible? no Hammurabi relevant? no Water relevant? yes


Is what your workplace is relevant? not greatly, but... If so:
a lab?
a school?
an office? yes
a factory or manufacturing plant?
a kitchen or bakery?
a retail store?
a warehouse?
a gym or other place where people go to do a physical acivity? no to the rest
Lynne (Lynne)
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Posted on Monday, November 17, 2008 - 11:36 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Water cooler?
Unleashedllama (Unleashedllama)
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Water cooler? almost, Klix drinks machine
Sollen (Sollen)
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is this a holiday-relevent situation? a drink common for holidays only?

possible eggnog on christmas or green beer for saint-patricks day?
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Did the removal have anything to do with...

Cost of the beverage?
Coworkers' personal preference?
Dispensing style of the machine?
Upkeep cost?
Breakdown of the machine?
Beverage quality?
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I'm from the U.S., so I don't know what a Klix drink machine is. Would anyone like to explain?
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I'm from N. America as well, so I just googled it. It's a beverage vending machine that dispenses cups and water. Within the cups is the drink mix for the different drinks, and the water mixes it; this means less moving parts in the machine and no possibility of contamination from the machine itself dispensing (and internally mixing) the drink mixes.
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I thought he said it wasn't a vending machine?
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He said no-ish, but I'm certain it is. Was it that your workplace had bypassed it so that drinks were free (in the sense that it's not a vending machine)? My workplace does that with its coffee/hotchoc machines. Clarify, Llama?
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Did anybody actually want it? Did somebody want it? Would somebody have wanted it if it were a different day? Will somebody want to want it to the extent that he or she will create another petition?
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Posted on Tuesday, November 18, 2008 - 7:57 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is this a holiday-relevent situation? no a drink common for holidays only? no

possible eggnog on christmas or green beer for saint-patricks day? no


Did the removal have anything to do with...

Cost of the beverage? no
Coworkers' personal preference? no, for the first removal, yes-ish for the second
Dispensing style of the machine?
Upkeep cost? no
Breakdown of the machine? no
Beverage quality? no


He said no-ish, but I'm certain it is. I said no-ish, because it wasn't the vending machine itself that was removed, but a certain drink within the machine Was it that your workplace had bypassed it so that drinks were free (in the sense that it's not a vending machine)? they are free, but this is irr My workplace does that with its coffee/hotchoc machines. Clarify, Llama?


Did anybody actually want it? yes Did somebody want it? yes, many people Would somebody have wanted it if it were a different day? yes, people wanted it generally Will somebody want to want it to the extent that he or she will create another petition? probably
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Posted on Tuesday, November 18, 2008 - 2:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

was the petition to bring it back for a single day for some reason?
Unleashedllama (Unleashedllama)
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Posted on Tuesday, November 18, 2008 - 3:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

was the petition to bring it back for a single day for some reason? no, we wanted it back for good
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did the drink have unforseen side effects? for those drinking it? for people around those drinking it?

was the drink caffinated? alcholic? juice? water?

was the reason for removing the drink only due to what the drink was? how it was made/dispensed?
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So you petitioned to bring a drink back to the machine, but nobody seemed to want it, so it was removed again? Did anybody actually want it? Was everyone unable to get it? Was the decision to remove it the second time based on low numbers (as far as demand is concerned) on that particular day? Did anybody want it on that day? Was everybody gone on a leave of absence that particular day? Did everybody decide that they would take the day off from that drink, but then they realized it was gone? Did everybody consent to what they perceived to be the will of the majority but actually turned out to cause everybody to do something that nobody wanted to do? If they had brought the drink back on a different day would things have turned out differently? Were people even aware that "it" had returned?
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did the drink have unforseen side effects? for those drinking it? this was why it was removed the first time, but not the second for people around those drinking it? no

was the drink caffinated? alcholic? juice? it contained some juice and lots of sugar water?

was the reason for removing the drink only due to what the drink was? no, not only this how it was made/dispensed? no



So you petitioned to bring a drink back to the machine yes, but nobody seemed to want it correct, so it was removed again? yes Did anybody actually want it? yes Was everyone unable to get it? no Was the decision to remove it the second time based on low numbers (as far as demand is concerned) on that particular day? yes Did anybody want it on that day? yes, they would have, but for a problem Was everybody gone on a leave of absence that particular day? no Did everybody decide that they would take the day off from that drink, but then they realized it was gone? no Did everybody consent to what they perceived to be the will of the majority but actually turned out to cause everybody to do something that nobody wanted to do? no If they had brought the drink back on a different day would things have turned out differently? 'day'? no, but 'way'? (meaning without the problem that came up), yes Were people even aware that "it" had returned? yes
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did they change the drink in some way from when it was first introduced? possible to remove the 'side effect' that caused the drink not to be offered originally? when they did that did no one want it because it didn't taste the same? possible it was a low fat or sugar free version of drink?
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did they change the drink in some way from when it was first introduced? yes, but not intentionally possible to remove the 'side effect' that caused the drink not to be offered originally? no when they did that did no one want it because it didn't taste the same? the flavour was the same, but what else could have been different? possible it was a low fat or sugar free version of drink? no, but that may have been a good idea!
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was it even more fattening/sugary then before? otherwise have new heatlh benefits? was it dispensed differntly? look different? have a differnt texture? was there more of or a new ingredient in it? less of an ingrediant?

so the side effect that originally caused it to be removed, was it.. too fatning, too much sugar, allergic reaction, other health side effect, too messy or prone to spilling, melted the cups it was poored into (my internship you couldn't leave a soda in a cup for more then 2 hours. stupid enviromentally friendly cups).
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was it even more fattening/sugary then before? no otherwise have new heatlh benefits? no was it dispensed differntly? yope, it was dispensed by the same physical process, but it came out differently (sorry, it's really hard to explain that bit look different? no have a differnt texture? no was there more of or a new ingredient in it? no less of an ingrediant? no

so the side effect that originally caused it to be removed, was it.. too fatning no, too much sugar partially this..., allergic reaction no, other health side effect ...but also, partially this, but in fact it was originally replaced with a more healthy alternative, as oppose to it being just gotten rid off, too messy or prone to spilling, no melted the cups it was poored into no (my internship you couldn't leave a soda in a cup for more then 2 hours. no stupid enviromentally friendly cups). no
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did it just cocme out really hot or really cold?
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Did some kind of chemical/physical/radioactive/hydroponic/photovoltaic/endothermic/exothermic reaction occur? Did the "problem" physically prevent people from getting the drink? From drinking it? Did it cause people to not want the drink?
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Posted on Saturday, November 22, 2008 - 11:32 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

did it just cocme out really hot yes or really cold?



Did some kind of chemical/physical/radioactive/hydroponic/photovoltaic/endothermic/exothermic reaction occur? Did the "problem" physically prevent people from getting the drink? From drinking it? Did it cause people to not want the drink? none of this


******SPOILER*******

Until a few months ago, the drinks machine at my workplace contained 2 cold drinks: water and Starburst (which was as sugary as you might imagine). As my workplace was striving to be seen as health consious, they replaced the Starburst drink with cranberry juice drink.

This move proved unpopular and so a petition started requesting the return of Starburst. The company buckled and brought it back shortly after, in place of the ever-unpopular, lemon tea. Nobody had checked however whether this meant we'd have three cold drink options, and obviously not. It was dispensing hot, sugary orange drink: nice!

About 1 or 2 has been grabbed before someone stuck a note on the machine advising of the problem. The next day it was gone again and the only explaination we had was that they'd "brought it back for a day and it had proved itself unpopular".

I've no idea why the company's facilities failed to see the note on the machine and realise that this may have been a contributing factor, but nevermind.



Thank you for taking part everyone

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