| Author | Message | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 737 Registered: 7-2001 |
Today the phone rang. I knew who it probably was, I knew they wanted to speak to me, I wanted to speak to them, I wasn't doing anything else important and I was quite able to answer the phone - however I did not do so. Why not? (My first puzzle for three years before I go back to lurking!) | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 17 Registered: 11-2008 |
Were you just lazy ;-))? Were you afraid it might be someone else? Was it an agreed signal (like - I'll let the phone ring three times and you'll go downstairs and meet me personally)? | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 738 Registered: 7-2001 |
Hi Alhucema ! Were you just lazy ;-))?who me?! no Were you afraid it might be someone else? no Was it an agreed signal (like - I'll let the phone ring three times and you'll go downstairs and meet me personally)? no | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 739 Registered: 7-2001 |
Hi Alhucema ! Were you just lazy ;-))?who me?! no Were you afraid it might be someone else? no Was it an agreed signal (like - I'll let the phone ring three times and you'll go downstairs and meet me personally)? no | ||
| Vagary (Vagary)
New member Username: Vagary Post Number: 58 Registered: 11-2008 |
Was it your phone? A friend's phone? Was anything actually preventing you from answering? Did you hear the phone ring? Was the ringer off? | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 741 Registered: 7-2001 |
Hi! Was it your phone? no A friend's phone? no Was anything actually preventing you from answering? physically? no Did you hear the phone ring? yes Was the ringer off? no | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 473 Registered: 5-2003 |
You wanted to speak to them but not right at that moment? Were you naked? In the restroom? Was it a phone call? An online call? Webcams involved? | ||
| Vagary (Vagary)
New member Username: Vagary Post Number: 59 Registered: 11-2008 |
A family member's phone? A complete stranger's phone? Is the owner of the phone relevant to the solution? Did you not want to answer it because it was not your phone? | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 262 Registered: 6-2008 |
So it was neither your phone nor a friend's. Was it a family member's? a significant other's? a stranger's? Was it a cell phone? a land line phone? Is the calling plan relevant? Did you wish to call this person, rather than the other way around, so you would get billed for the call? Did you have unlimited calling at another time of day, so that you would rather have postponed the call until then? | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 744 Registered: 7-2001 |
You wanted to speak to them but not right at that moment? noWere you naked? no In the restroom? no Was it a phone call? yes An online call? no Webcams involved? no A family member's phone? no A complete stranger's phone? no Is the owner of the phone relevant to the solution? yesish Did you not want to answer it because it was not your phone? no - that's not correct So it was neither your phone nor a friend's. correct Was it a family member's? no a significant other's? do you mean husband etc? no a stranger's? no Was it a cell phone? no a land line phone? yes Is the calling plan relevant? not sure what you mean, sorry Did you wish to call this person, rather than the other way around, so you would get billed for the call? noDid you have unlimited calling at another time of day, so that you would rather have postponed the call until then?no ah- I see what you mean about calling plan - no it's not relevant | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 3802 Registered: 12-2000 |
Just wanted to say hi Hannah! I'll think of a question or two. | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 3803 Registered: 12-2000 |
Were you at work? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 3804 Registered: 12-2000 |
Was there somebody there you didn't want to overhear your conversation? Were you planning Christmas presents?? Or a day at a spa and you didn't want to invite your colleagues along, especially Mr J. in accounts (you've seen him in his swimming trunks before at the last work bonding weekend and it wasn't a pretty sight)? Or summat like that? | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 745 Registered: 7-2001 |
Just wanted to say hi Hannah! I'll think of a question or two. Hi Lynne! How's it going? Were you at work? yes | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 3805 Registered: 12-2000 |
If you email me your addy, I'll give you a quick update | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 1588 Registered: 10-2001 |
Did you have any concerns should you answer the phone? e.g. Not wanting someon eelse to overhear / be aware of who you were talking to? | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 1589 Registered: 10-2001 |
Oh and of course.. Hi again Hannah! | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 747 Registered: 7-2001 |
If you email me your addy, I'll give you a quick update done | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 748 Registered: 7-2001 |
Did you have any concerns should you answer the phone? e.g. Not wanting someon eelse to overhear / be aware of who you were talking to? no Oh and of course.. Hi again Hannah!Hi! It's just like old times here tonight... | ||
| Bodo (Bodo)
New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 2485 Registered: 2-2001 |
Not yet, because I've not chimed in...plus it's only what, 2:15 in the afternoon, sheesh...8-) So (taking shameless advantage of prior knowledge, although your user name is somewhat of a give-away, isn't it) you're still working as a doctor? Let's see, was it...microbiology? No? Something like? Is that relevant? Was the phone call a prearranged sort of thing? Did the person on the other end expect you to answer? Someone else to answer? No answer? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 3806 Registered: 12-2000 |
Was the timing, the location, other people, the person who was phoning, other stuff you were doing, the key to why you didn't answer the phone? Did you know for sure that it was the person you were thinking of? Would you have answered the phone at that time if there was no question of that person phoning? | ||
| Bodo (Bodo)
New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 2486 Registered: 2-2001 |
And psst, you've forgotten to put your name in the title...(: | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 749 Registered: 7-2001 |
Not yet, because I've not chimed in...plus it's only what, 2:15 in the afternoon, sheesh...8-) Hi! so now we need Chuck... So (taking shameless advantage of prior knowledge, although your user name is somewhat of a give-away, isn't it) you're still working as a doctor? yes Let's see, was it...microbiology? No? Something like? Is that relevant? great memory - it was microbiology, but is now public health. It is relevant that I am a doctor - but all you need to know is that I currently work in an office dealing with healthcare providers from time to time Was the phone call a prearranged sort of thing? yesish Did the person on the other end expect you to answer? probably not Someone else to answer? probably No answer? no Was the timing, no the location, noish other people, yope? the person who was phoning, yope?other stuff you were doing,no the key to why you didn't answer the phone? Did you know for sure that it was the person you were thinking of? no Would you have answered the phone at that time if there was no question of that person phoning? possibly And psst, you've forgotten to put your name in the title...(: oh dear - it's been such a long time... is there a friendly moderator who can help? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 3807 Registered: 12-2000 |
Are any other people directly relevant to this scenario? | ||
| Bodo (Bodo)
New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 2491 Registered: 2-2001 |
Heck, I'm still trying to work out why Ms. Burdoo won't answer the phone if she's naked - she must have a more sophisticated phone than I. And Chuck's probably still at work... Did someone answer the phone? If so, was a message left? If not, was a message left? Did the caller expect to talk to you? Did you continue with whatever you were doing after the call? | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 750 Registered: 7-2001 |
Are any other people directly relevant to this scenario?well there's me and the caller, and I guess at least two other people Now, annoyingly, I have to leave to get to bed so I can get up early to miss the traffic to sit in my office and hopefully check the forum tomorrow (if the wonders of the great British NHS IT system allow such things...) Goodnight! | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 751 Registered: 7-2001 |
Heck, I'm still trying to work out why Ms. Burdoo won't answer the phone if she's naked - she must have a more sophisticated phone than I. And Chuck's probably still at work... I would happily answer the phone naked but probably not at work. I shall look forward to Chuck joining us but tell him to bring chocolate truffles Did someone answer the phone? yes If so, was a message left? no If not, was a message left? no Did the caller expect to talk to you? yes Did you continue with whatever you were doing after the call? yes. May be FA here | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 3808 Registered: 12-2000 |
OK - Qs for tomorrow Was it a personal call? Husband? One of your kids? Was it business? Was it a someone wanting to sell something? Was it your lunchtime and you didn't want the caller to know you were still in your office? Should you have been elsewhere? Had you stood the person up? Along the same lines - Did it ring and you rushed off to somewhere that you'd forgotten? | ||
| Bodo (Bodo)
New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 2493 Registered: 2-2001 |
Was there a live human on the other end of the call? Was it a reminder of some sort? | ||
| Usmcfink (Usmcfink)
New member Username: Usmcfink Post Number: 176 Registered: 10-2008 |
was it a work phone? payphone? pre-paid phone? Was the person calling acquainted with you personally? professionally? not yet introduced? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 475 Registered: 5-2003 |
I suspected it might be a video call of some sort, that's why. I appear to be wrong. Was this a cell phone or landline? Work phone? Home? Private or public? Same questions relating to the caller? Which, if any, of these are relevant? Was the caller a client of yours? The two people relevant besides you and the caller -- relevant to you? The caller? Both? Known to you and/or the caller? Personally? Coworkers, relatives, friends? If coworkers, are they supervisors or subordinates to you? If related are they immediate family or distant? Do they live with you, nearby, or across country? Relevant? Is the caller nearby, or within 1 mile? 10? 100? 1,000? 10,000? Relevant? | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 752 Registered: 7-2001 |
Was it a personal call? no Husband? no One of your kids? no Was it business? yes Was it a someone wanting to sell something? no Was it your lunchtime and you didn't want the caller to know you were still in your office? no Should you have been elsewhere? no Had you stood the person up? no Along the same lines - Did it ring and you rushed off to somewhere that you'd forgotten? no Was there a live human on the other end of the call? yes Was it a reminder of some sort?no was it a work phone? yes payphone? no pre-paid phone? no Was the person calling acquainted with you personally? no professionally? yesish not yet introduced? yope.. Was this a cell phone or landline? Work phone? Home? Private or public? as above it was a work landline Same questions relating to the caller? the caller was using a work landline I would presume Which, if any, of these are relevant? it is relevant that the call was occurring in a work situation Was the caller a client of yours? no The two people relevant besides you and the caller -- relevant to you? yes The caller? yes Both? probably, in a loose sense of relevant Known to you and/or the caller? one was known to me, one I knew of. One was known to caller Personally? no Coworkers, relatives, friends? one relevant person was co-worker to me. the other wasn't. Neither was a co-worker to the caller, except in a very loose sense If coworkers, are they supervisors or subordinates to you? neither really, just a colleague If related are they immediate family or distant? n/a Do they live with you, nearby, or across country? no Relevant? Is the caller nearby, or within 1 mile? 10? 100? 1,000? 10,000? Relevant? caller about 100 miles away - somewhat relevant | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 20 Registered: 11-2008 |
Did the caller know you were there? and did not answer the phone? Did you try to avoid anything? Did any ? both? of the other two persons know who was calling? for what purpose? relevant? Were they in the same room as you ? Within a hearing distance? Would you have answered the phone under different circumstances? Does the phone enable you to identify the caller? Relevant? Did you want to save the caller's? any other's? money? Did you phone back? | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 753 Registered: 7-2001 |
Did the caller know you were there? yes and did not answer the phone? not sure how to answer - they knew it was not me answering the phone at that time Did you try to avoid anything? no Did any ? both? of the other two persons know who was calling? no for what purpose? no relevant? not really Were they in the same room as you ? of the two relevant people one was in the room nearby, one was not Within a hearing distance? one was Would you have answered the phone under different circumstances? yes Does the phone enable you to identify the caller? no Relevant? yesish Did you want to save the caller's? any other's? money? no to both Did you phone back? no still a FA lurking | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 3809 Registered: 12-2000 |
Did the caller have a good or bad or neutral message? Were you waiting for results of some tests and scared to answer the phone? Did you want to avoid the caller? Were you hoping for a promotion? Was the phone call from someone who works in the same office as you normally? Were they calling from another related office? | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 754 Registered: 7-2001 |
Did the caller have a good or bad or neutral message? neutral Were you waiting for results of some tests and scared to answer the phone? no Did you want to avoid the caller? no Were you hoping for a promotion? no Was the phone call from someone who works in the same office as you normally? \b[no} Were they calling from another related office?no | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 1268 Registered: 4-2007 |
Not sure if this has been asked - did anybody answer the phone? Did you have a reason for wanting somebody else to take the call? Did it go to answerphone? | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 758 Registered: 7-2001 |
Not sure if this has been asked - did anybody answer the phone? yes Did you have a reason for wanting somebody else to take the call? yes Did it go to answerphone? no | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 1269 Registered: 4-2007 |
Was it the relevant person nearby who you wanted to take the call? Did they know the person calling? Did they have the same relationship with the caller as you did? Did the caller want to speak with this person? Having spoken to them, would they then still want to speak to you? Did they in fact speak to you during the call (maybe the person who answered it passed it over to you?) Did the person calling give the same information to the person who answered as they would have given to you? | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 759 Registered: 7-2001 |
Was it the relevant person nearby who you wanted to take the call? yes Did they know the person calling? no Did they have the same relationship with the caller as you did? no Did the caller want to speak with this person? not especially Having spoken to them, would they then still want to speak to you? yes Did they in fact speak to you during the call (maybe the person who answered it passed it over to you?) yes - that's the FA, that I didn't speak to the caller - I did Did the person calling give the same information to the person who answered as they would have given to you? no | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 3811 Registered: 12-2000 |
Did the person who first answered the phone benefit from having done so? Did you want them to be introduced? If so, professionally, or personally? Do you work directly with the other person who answered the phone? | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 760 Registered: 7-2001 |
Did the person who first answered the phone benefit from having done so? no Did you want them to be introduced? no If so, professionally, or personally? Do you work directly with the other person who answered the phonesorry - which person? Let's say the person who answered the phone in my office is Matt, he's one of the two relevant people. He is a co-worker of mine. You need know no more about him | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 3812 Registered: 12-2000 |
All those questions referred to Matt btw. Was the caller senior to you? Junior? A near stranger? You said yope to whether the caller had been introduced to you. Does the yope mean 'not until you spoke to him'? Would it help to find out exactly where he was? What he was doing prior to the call? | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 761 Registered: 7-2001 |
All those questions referred to Matt btw. OK - did I answer them? Was the caller senior to you? yes Junior? no A near stranger? yes You said yope to whether the caller had been introduced to you. Does the yope mean 'not until you spoke to him'? yes..but possible FA Would it help to find out exactly where he was? not the geographical location. More so the type of place What he was doing prior to the call? not his specific actions but his role | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 3814 Registered: 12-2000 |
Did you let Matt answer the phone in order to give yourself more gravitas? Or is he your secretary anyway? Did you need to make sure that the caller was indeed who you expected, before you spoke to him? Does the caller know you by name, or just your role in your office? Could he have spoken to someone else or did it have to be Kdoc herself? Is he a reporter? Or something in the media? | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 762 Registered: 7-2001 |
Did you let Matt answer the phone in order to give yourself more gravitas? noish Or is he your secretary anyway? not really, but he could be for the sake of the puzzle Did you need to make sure that the caller was indeed who you expected, before you spoke to him? no Does the caller know you by name, yes or just your role in your office? no Could he have spoken to someone else or did it have to be Kdoc herself? it was me he wanted Is he a reporter? no Or something in the media? no | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 3815 Registered: 12-2000 |
Was it the timing of the call that made you feel sure it was him? Or had you been letting Matt take all the calls all morning / all day? Did Matt know of him? Is he famous? Did you want Matt to be able to say that he spoke to Mr Bigwig today? Had you ever met the caller? Spoken to him before? Corresponded with him? Had you requested something of him? Did he want something from you? Are you engaged in a joint project? Was he wanting information about someone else? Was he from the Nobel Prize corporation?? | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 763 Registered: 7-2001 |
Was it the timing of the call that made you feel sure it was him? yes Or had you been letting Matt take all the calls all morning / all day? no Did Matt know of him? no Is he famous? no Did you want Matt to be able to say that he spoke to Mr Bigwig today? no Had you ever met the caller? no Spoken to him before? yes Corresponded with him? no Had you requested something of him? yes Did he want something from you? no Are you engaged in a joint project? noish Was he wanting information about someone else? no.. Was he from the Nobel Prize corporation?? no, sadly I'm not that good... | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 3816 Registered: 12-2000 |
Had you requested information about something to do with your work? Something else businesslike, but not work-related? Anything to do with your books? Was it to do with public health? Something more specific? | ||
| Bodo (Bodo)
New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 2495 Registered: 2-2001 |
Anything to do with the COE? | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 764 Registered: 7-2001 |
Had you requested information about something to do with your work? yes Something else businesslike, but not work-related? no Anything to do with your books? no Was it to do with public health? yesish, in that it was work related and I work as a public health doctor Something more specific? it was quite specific Anything to do with the COE? sorry - COE? Ah - do you mean Church of Eng? No | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 51 Registered: 11-2008 |
Religion relevant? (As, for example, the Orthodox Jewish are not allowed to work on Saturdays)? | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 766 Registered: 7-2001 |
Religion relevant? (As, for example, the Orthodox Jewish are not allowed to work on Saturdays)? no - religion doesn't come into this puzzle | ||
| Bodo (Bodo)
New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 2500 Registered: 2-2001 |
Was he wanting more information about you? Is he also a doctor? Is his position more in the nature of administrative/managerial? | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 767 Registered: 7-2001 |
Was he wanting more information about you? yope Is he also a doctor? yes Is his position more in the nature of administrative/managerial? no | ||
| Bodo (Bodo)
New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 2501 Registered: 2-2001 |
Just to confirm, you intentionally did not answer the phone because you were reasonably sure who it was? Is there something about this other doctor that caused you to avoid answering? Were you consulting with him on something medical? About a patient? Did you have ethical reasons for not answering? Practical? Emotional? | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 770 Registered: 7-2001 |
Just to confirm, you intentionally did not answer the phone because you were reasonably sure who it was? correct Is there something about this other doctor that caused you to avoid answering? difficult to answer - rephrase please Were you consulting with him on something medical? yesish About a patient? yes Did you have ethical reasons for not answering? no Practical? yes Emotional? no | ||
| Bodo (Bodo)
New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 2504 Registered: 2-2001 |
Hmmm...I guess I was thinking that perhaps there were known qualities about the person that made you believe it would be best overall not to answer personally...such as he's got racist/sexist/ageist issues? Is it relevant what type of doctor he is (I was assuming medical, but certainly there are a plethora of available types)? About the yesish, was the consult more to do with administrative/bureaucratic issues vs. medical ones? Or about referring/referrals? Did you want Matt to know who called for some reason? I am not familiar with the UK health system, so please pardon any groping or offensive assumptions on my part. | ||
| Bodo (Bodo)
New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 2505 Registered: 2-2001 |
Er, intellectual groping, I mean - hope that was clear... | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 772 Registered: 7-2001 |
Hmmm...I guess I was thinking that perhaps there were known qualities about the person that made you believe it would be best overall not to answer personally...such as he's got racist/sexist/ageist issues? ah, I see - no Is it relevant what type of doctor he is (I was assuming medical, but certainly there are a plethora of available types)? yes, medical, relevant. Most specialties would work. he was a paediatrician About the yesish, was the consult more to do with administrative/bureaucratic issues vs. medical ones? mm, yope? Or about referring/referrals? yope Did you want Matt to know who called for some reason? no I am not familiar with the UK health system, so please pardon any groping or offensive assumptions on my part. so pardoned.. Actually something like this could have happened in a similar way under most medical systems I would have thought. Anywhere a doctor could talk to another by telephone oh - and I'm sure you're too much of a gentleman to engage in anything but intellectual groping on an open forum.. (: | ||
| Bodo (Bodo)
New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 2507 Registered: 2-2001 |
'course I'm a gennleman - all my groping is innellectual-like, regardless of forum. Were you hoping he wouldn't need to talk to you (if that makes sense)? Transplants relevant? | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 773 Registered: 7-2001 |
Were you hoping he wouldn't need to talk to you (if that makes sense)? it does - no, I wanted to talk to him Transplants relevant? no | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 774 Registered: 7-2001 |
it would be helpful to find out what had gone on immediately before he called | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 3822 Registered: 12-2000 |
Had you dropped a load of stuff, including yourself, and you had to clamber out from under the desk? Get your breath back? | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 775 Registered: 7-2001 |
Had you dropped a load of stuff, including yourself, and you had to clamber out from under the desk? Get your breath back? no, but nice idea. | ||
| Bodo (Bodo)
New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 2509 Registered: 2-2001 |
To confirm, you had contacted him (his office?) to consult about something medical/medically-administrativish? And this was on behalf of a patient? The way it works with my current insurance coverage, if I (or anyone in my family) needs/wants to consult with a specialist (e. g. basically anything but a pediatrician, gynecologist or family-practice/internist) a referral from the primary physician is required - is anything like that relevant? Were you attempting to determine the best way to get the best care for a patient? To expedite a particular course of treatment? The additional relevant personage - the person about whom you were consulting? Was this person in the office with you at the time? | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 779 Registered: 7-2001 |
To confirm, you had contacted him (his office?) to consult about something medical/medically-administrativish? yes And this was on behalf of a patient? yesish The way it works with my current insurance coverage, if I (or anyone in my family) needs/wants to consult with a specialist (e. g. basically anything but a pediatrician, gynecologist or family-practice/internist) a referral from the primary physician is required - is anything like that relevant? not really - but all you really need to know is that a patient's medical details were in question Were you attempting to determine the best way to get the best care for a patient? yope To expedite a particular course of treatment? yope - see above comment The additional relevant personage - the person about whom you were consulting? yes Was this person in the office with you at the time? no To recap; I am a doctor. I was working in the office when the phone rang and would have been quite able to answer the phone. Although I knew the caller would probably be a particular paediatrician, and I wanted to speak to him about a patient, I did not pick up the phone but let Matt, my colleague do so. He then passed the call to me and I spoke to the doctor. Why didn't I answer the call? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 1270 Registered: 4-2007 |
Is it relevant that you knew it was probably the paediatrician, but couldn't be sure? If you had been absolutely certain that you knew who it was, would you have answered the phone? Or if you had had less idea - say you knew that the paediatrician was going to phone at some point, but the phone when it rang could easily have been somebody else - would you have answered? | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 782 Registered: 7-2001 |
Is it relevant that you knew it was probably the paediatrician, but couldn't be sure? see next answer If you had been absolutely certain that you knew who it was, would you have answered the phone? if I had known it wasn't him I might have answered depending upon whether it was convenient for me to do so. If I had known it was him I definitely wouldn't have answered Or if you had had less idea - say you knew that the paediatrician was going to phone at some point, but the phone when it rang could easily have been somebody else - would you have answered? see above - hope that answers the question | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 73 Registered: 11-2008 |
So you said there was no physical impediment for you to pick up the phone? Was the reason why you did not answer the phone just in your head? If so: when deciding not to pick up the phone yourself, did you have in mind any other person than yourself and the caller? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 1271 Registered: 4-2007 |
Did Matt say anything relevant to the caller? If he had just said, "Hi, yes she's here, I'll pass you over" would that have worked? Should we find out anything more about Matt? Did he know the reason why you wanted him to take the call? Did you give some relevant reason for not answering it yourself? Had another colleague other than Matt been in the office at the time, could they just as well have taken the call? Ie, is it important that the person speaks to Matt? Or just that they don't speak directly to you first? If someone else had elbowed Matt out the way and taken the call, then passed it to you, would you have taken it? Would you have achived what you wanted to achieve? | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 783 Registered: 7-2001 |
So you said there was no physical impediment for you to pick up the phone? correct Was the reason why you did not answer the phone just in your head? if you mean a mental decision, yes If so: when deciding not to pick up the phone yourself, did you have in mind any other person than yourself and the caller? not quite sure what you mean. I knew that I wanted someone else to pick up the phone Did Matt say anything relevant to the caller? yes If he had just said, "Hi, yes she's here, I'll pass you over" would that have worked? mmm, alone it wouldn't have achieved exactly what I wanted Should we find out anything more about Matt? not really - he is just my colleague Did he know the reason why you wanted him to take the call? no, and slight FA Did you give some relevant reason for not answering it yourself? no, I just didn't answer it and knew someone else would Had another colleague other than Matt been in the office at the time, could they just as well have taken the call? yes Ie, is it important that the person speaks to Matt? no Or just that they don't speak directly to you first? this is correct If someone else had elbowed Matt out the way and taken the call, then passed it to you, would you have taken it? yes Would you have achived what you wanted to achieve? yes | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 76 Registered: 11-2008 |
So the main reason was that you wanted someone else to speak with the caller first? Was it your only reason? "when deciding not to pick up the phone yourself, did you have in mind any other person than yourself and the caller?" - I meant whether the reason was something only between yourself and the caller? Or whether you were taking into account any other person as well? (as not wanting him/her to overhear something/get hurt)? When wanting someone else to answer the phone, was it rather because of yourself (such as if expected a violent reaction of the caller and wanted him to cool down first)? Or rather because of the caller (e.g. you wanted him to know you were not alone in the room?) What if you picked the phone yourself: Would the outcome be less pleasant for you? For the caller? For Matt? Anyone else? Relevant? | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 786 Registered: 7-2001 |
So the main reason was that you wanted someone else to speak with the caller first? yes Was it your only reason? yes "when deciding not to pick up the phone yourself, did you have in mind any other person than yourself and the caller?" - I meant whether the reason was something only between yourself and the caller? Or whether you were taking into account any other person as well? (as not wanting him/her to overhear something/get hurt)? oh, I see - no, I wasn't worried about anyone else When wanting someone else to answer the phone, was it rather because of yourself (such as if expected a violent reaction of the caller and wanted him to cool down first)? no Or rather because of the caller (e.g. you wanted him to know you were not alone in the room?)yes - but not this explanation What if you picked the phone yourself: Would the outcome be less pleasant for you? no For the caller? not less pleasant. perhaps less informative? For Matt? no Anyone else? noRelevant?no. Pleasantness wasn't involved. The reason was professional, not personal. | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 77 Registered: 11-2008 |
Did it involve the caller's feelings? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 78 Registered: 11-2008 |
Did you want the caller to know you were actually at work? Did you intend to transmit to him any other information about yourself? anything other? when not picking the phone up yourself? | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 788 Registered: 7-2001 |
Did it involve the caller's feelings?no Did you want the caller to know you were actually at work? yope, close Did you intend to transmit to him any other information about yourself? yesish anything other? no when not picking the phone up yourself?yes - by not picking up the phone I believe I was giving him information about myself - ish! | ||
| Howardwoman (Howardwoman)
New member Username: Howardwoman Post Number: 178 Registered: 1-2008 |
Did you want to project that you were busy? | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 790 Registered: 7-2001 |
Did you want to project that you were busy? no, not that | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 3825 Registered: 12-2000 |
Did you want to express your seniority - you aren't just a lowly clerk? Or you aren't just available whenever he decides to call? I am meaning totally professionally of course. | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 795 Registered: 7-2001 |
Did you want to express your seniority - you aren't just a lowly clerk? no, not that Or you aren't just available whenever he decides to call? no, that wasn't the reason I am meaning totally professionally of course. of course (; | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 3829 Registered: 12-2000 |
Is the subject of the conversation relevant to your behaviour, or is the caller the relevant bit? | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 796 Registered: 7-2001 |
Is the subject of the conversation relevant to your behaviour, or is the caller the relevant bit?the subject really. He could have called for other reasons and I would have picked up the phone I think.. | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 3830 Registered: 12-2000 |
So would finding out the subject of your conversation lead us to the reason for your behaviour? Are you always at the same location? | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 797 Registered: 7-2001 |
So would finding out the subject of your conversation lead us to the reason for your behaviour? you already know the subject of the conversation was a patient - specifically his medical details. It is relevant only who's patient it was - and to save you asking the obvious question - it was his Are you always at the same location?yes | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 85 Registered: 11-2008 |
If it was your patient, would you have acted the same? | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 799 Registered: 7-2001 |
If it was your patient, would you have acted the same? no, good question | ||
| Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg Post Number: 622 Registered: 8-2005 |
Was the patient in the room at the time? Were you with the patient? Did the patient hear the phone ring? Hear the conversation between you and the other doctor? | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 801 Registered: 7-2001 |
Was the patient in the room at the time? no Were you with the patient? no Did the patient hear the phone ring? noHear the conversation between you and the other doctor? no | ||
| Bodo (Bodo)
New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 2511 Registered: 2-2001 |
Doctor/patient confidentiality relevant? Did Matt have some way of confirming who the doctor was (i. e. that he was really who he said he was)? Did Matt do? or say? anything relevant between answering the phone and when you took it? | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 803 Registered: 7-2001 |
Doctor/patient confidentiality relevant? yesish Did Matt have some way of confirming who the doctor was (i. e. that he was really who he said he was)? no... Did Matt do? just picking up the phone and speaking or say? yes anything relevant between answering the phone and when you took it? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 3834 Registered: 12-2000 |
Did you want to test the caller's trustworthiness as to confidentiality? | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 806 Registered: 7-2001 |
Did you want to test the caller's trustworthiness as to confidentiality? no.. | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 807 Registered: 7-2001 |
Hint: I had just done something relevant | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 89 Registered: 11-2008 |
Did you want to finish something relevant to the other doctor's patient(eg a test) before answering the phone? Just to gain some time? | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 810 Registered: 7-2001 |
Did you want to finish something relevant to the other doctor's patient(eg a test) before answering the phone? no Just to gain some time? no Recap: To recap; I am a doctor. I was working in the office when the phone rang and would have been quite able to answer the phone. Although I knew the caller would probably be a particular paediatrician, and I wanted to speak to him about one of his patients, I did not pick up the phone but let Matt, my colleague do so. He then passed the call to me and I spoke to the doctor. Why didn't I answer the call? In addition - the patient was not in the room with me. It was necessary for my purposes that Matt said something specific other than just - 'Hi, I'll pass you over'. By letting Matt answer I was giving (ish) the caller information about myself. Doctor/patient confidentiality is relevant. I had done something relevant just prior to the call. | ||
| Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg Post Number: 624 Registered: 8-2005 |
Did Matt tell the caller what you were doing? what you had just done? | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 812 Registered: 7-2001 |
Did Matt tell the caller what you were doing? no what you had just done? no | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 272 Registered: 6-2008 |
Is it relevant that the specialty of the caller was pediatrics (and that therefore his patients would be legal minors)? Did Matt somehow prove that this patient was one of your patients, and that therefore you were authorized to hear confidential information about that patient? | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 813 Registered: 7-2001 |
Is it relevant that the specialty of the caller was pediatrics (and that therefore his patients would be legal minors)? no Did Matt somehow prove that this patient was one of your patients, and that therefore you were authorized to hear confidential information about that patient?very close... except this wasn't my patient. But you're nearly there | ||
| Bodo (Bodo)
New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 2515 Registered: 2-2001 |
Matt answered with a standard sort of office-greeting (e. g. "Kdoc's office, Matt speaking, how may I help you?", that sort of thing)? And you felt that would reassure? Convince? Let the other doctor know you were "real"? | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 814 Registered: 7-2001 |
Matt answered with a standard sort of office-greeting (e. g. "Kdoc's office, Matt speaking, how may I help you?", that sort of thing)? yes And you felt that would reassure? yes Convince? Let the other doctor know you were "real"? yes That's most of it - but what was the beginning of the transaction - what had gone on just before? | ||
| Mimino (Mimino)
New member Username: Mimino Post Number: 52 Registered: 6-2005 |
You had called the other doctor before? and asked about some details of his patient? and he was not sure about your identity? so he asked for your phone number to call you back? | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 815 Registered: 7-2001 |
You had called the other doctor before? yesand asked about some details of his patient? yes and he was not sure about your identity? yes so he asked for your phone number to call you back? yes *****Spoiler*********. I needed to get details of a patient for legitimate professional reasons so I rang the paediatrician to ask him. I gave him the phone number of my office so that he could verify who I was. When the phone rang a few minutes later I thought it would probably be him. since he was ringing the number I had given him I reasoned that it would be pretty pointless just picking up the phone myslef as he would have gained nothing. By getting Matt, my colleague, to answer the phone as he normally would, giving the name of our organisation in a professional way, I hoped to reassure the paediatrician that I was a legitimate healthcare professional. Thanks for playing - I'll probably go back into lurking mode now but it's been fun! |
