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Posted on Friday, November 21, 2008 - 11:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Two men are found dead outside of an igloo.
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Was the igloo a real igloo (as in the kind that an Eskimo would build)?
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Rcs:
Was the igloo a real igloo (as in the kind that an Eskimo would build)? Nope.

Good question. Keep 'em comin' rapid fire. I bet this can be solved within an hour.
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does it take place in a place thats cold?
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Scood:
does it take place in a place thats cold? Not really. The temperature, for the most part, is irrelevant.
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are they in a populated region
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Scood:
are they in a populated region I'm going to answer this question with the answer of "no."
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were they murdered

was it an accident

are they really dead

am i posting useless questions besides this one

is the igloo a picture

does the igloo have something to do with thier death
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Scood:
were they murdered Nope

was it an accident Yep

are they really dead Yep

am i posting useless questions besides this one Nope

is the igloo a picture Nope

does the igloo have something to do with thier death Yes
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was the igloo made out of snow or was it a model

was the igloo in a museum

were the 2 men old?young?medium?

were they near the igloo?
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Scood:
was the igloo made out of snow or was it a model Nope

was the igloo in a museum Nope (You seem to be working off a FA)

were the 2 men old?young?medium? All that is of relevance is that they were adults

were they near the igloo? Yep
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was the igloo made of ice
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Was Igloo the brand name of some item?
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gosh ignore the ice question

is where they were relevant?
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Rcs:
Was Igloo the brand name of some item? Yes

Scood:
gosh ignore the ice question Done

is where they were relevant? Yes
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Is the igloo a tent?
Are they in the wilderness?

Is the cause of death the same for both?
Is it one of the following:
...suffocation?
...bleeding?
...poisoning?
...electrocution?
...wounds?
...drowning?

Would the puzzle work with one dead man? Three?

Are the men real? Human (a bit redundant, I know)? Adult? Male?
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Arek_fu:
Is the igloo a tent? No
Are they in the wilderness? Yesish

Is the cause of death the same for both? Yes
Is it one of the following:
...suffocation? This one
...bleeding?
...poisoning?
...electrocution?
...wounds?
...drowning?

Would the puzzle work with one dead man? Yes Three? Yep

Are the men real? Yes Human (a bit redundant, I know)? Yes Adult? Yes Male? Yes
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Are these men on Earth?
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Woubit:
Are these men on Earth? Yes
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I think I've heard this before, so I'll step out.
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We all appreciate it, Rcs. :-]
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was the igloo a cooler
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Scood:
was the igloo a cooler Exactly
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Was their death related to something that was in the cooler?
If so,
something they ate?
something they drank?
a medicine?

Was it spoiled?
contaminated?
not edible in the first place?
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Rabrab:

Was their death related to something that was in the cooler?Yes
If so,
something they ate? No
something they drank? No
a medicine? No

Was it spoiled? No
contaminated? No
not edible in the first place? Yope
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Did someone harvest thier vital organs and place them lovingly in the cooler (on ice I'd assume) for later re-sale?
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Vagary:

Did someone harvest thier vital organs and place them lovingly in the cooler (on ice I'd assume) for later re-sale? That would be interesting, but that's not the case in this puzzle.
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Were they in an enclosed space when they died?

Did the cooler contain anything that could have released toxic material?
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Erinye:

Were they in an enclosed space when they died? Yesish

Did the cooler contain anything that could have released toxic material? Yes
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Dry ice in the cooler?
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Dry ice in the cooler? Yep. Now just figure out the rest.
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Did it displace oxygen in an enclosed small room?
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Vagary's situation seems most likely, but just for the sake of thoroughness...

Assuming that the vapors displaced the oxygen and asphyxiated them, were they in a tent? The cabin of a boat?
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(it's probably not even relevant, is it?)
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Vagary:
Did it displace oxygen in an enclosed small room? No. Do you think I would make it that easy?

Erinye,:

Assuming that the vapors displaced the oxygen and asphyxiated them, were they in a tent? Nope The cabin of a boat? No

(it's probably not even relevant, is it?) (I think it would be.)
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Did they decide to start huffing the vapor in a moronic attempt to get high?

Did the vapor attract unwanted attention from wildlife?

Could the dry ice somehow affect buoyancy?
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Erinye:

Did they decide to start huffing the vapor in a moronic attempt to get high? Nope

Did the vapor attract unwanted attention from wildlife? No

Could the dry ice somehow affect buoyancy? Nope

HINT: We have already determined that the men died of asphyxiation from dry ice in an Igloo brand cooler. Now just determine where they were, why they had the cooler, and why they suffocated.
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Were they using the cooler for its intended purpose (that is, storing food/drinks/other supplies)?

They were in an enclosed space of some sort, correct? If so, was this voluntary? Involuntary?
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Erinye:

Were they using the cooler for its intended purpose (that is, storing food/drinks/other supplies)? Yes

They were in an enclosed space of some sort, correct? Something like that If so, was this voluntary? Yes Involuntary? So no
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Was the space of natural origin? Was it a cave? An extremely dense bit of forest? (Hey, I guess it could happen.)

Was the space man-made? Was it a bomb shelter? A car?
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Erinye:

Was the space of natural origin? Yes Was it a cave? Exactly An extremely dense bit of forest? (Hey, I guess it could happen.)

Was the space man-made? Was it a bomb shelter? A car? No to rest

$P0173R to follow.
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***********************SPOILER*******************************
***********************SPOILER*******************************

The men have gone spelunking and have taken an Igloo brand cooler with them so they can have a picnic down in the caves. They cleverly used dry ice to keep their beer cold, not realizing that as the dry ice sublimed (went from solid state to vapor state) it would push the lighter oxygen out of the cave and they would suffocate.


Excellent work to all who participated!
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Too clever for their own good. Could this actually happen, though, with the limited amount of dry ice they'd be using? Sounds like a job for the MythBusters.
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I believe it would depend on how much dry ice they had, how much they were breathing, and how small the cave was. To quote Wikipedia,

quote:

Dry ice sublimates into large quantities of carbon dioxide gas, which could displace oxygen-containing air and pose a danger of asphyxiation. Thus, it should only be exposed to open air in a well-ventilated environment.


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Oh, and by the way, they were in a pit cave. The pit caves can be pretty narrow and fairly deep, and the denser carbon dioxide would generally sink down to the bottom where the men were.

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