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Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
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Posted on Sunday, January 11, 2009 - 12:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The window of my room is about 18000 km away. Please explain.

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Posted on Sunday, January 11, 2009 - 12:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are you at present far away from home? Is the window still part of your room? Has the window glass broken?
Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
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Are you at present far away from home? No. Is the window still part of your room? Yes. Has the window glass broken? No.
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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Away - from you? Someone else? Are you physically close to your room?
Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
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Away - from you? Yes. Someone else? No. Are you physically close to your room? I'm in it.
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Is it relevant how big your room is? If you walked over to the wall where the window is, would you be able to touch the window? Look out of it?
Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
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Is it relevant how big your room is? No. If you walked over to the wall where the window is, would you be able to touch the window? Yes. Look out of it? Yes.
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Are Window A (the window in your room you are able to touch) and Window B (the one which is 18000 km away) one and the same window?
Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
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Are Window A (the window in your room you are able to touch) and Window B (the one which is 18000 km away) one and the same window? Indeed.
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Is the window, let us say, 4 metres away from you westwards, and 18,000 km from you eastwards?
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Posted on Sunday, January 11, 2009 - 11:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the window, let us say, 4 metres away from you westwards, and 18,000 km from you eastwards? Good thinking, but no.
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Outer space relevant at all? Does "km" actually refer to kilometers? Any peculiarities of the metric system relevant?
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Outer space relevant at all? No. Does "km" actually refer to kilometers? Yes. Any peculiarities of the metric system relevant? No.
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Are "you" an ordinary human being? Is the window an ordinary window? If you're touching the window, does that mean that your hand is 18000 km from your shoulder?

Is the particular distance of 18000 km relevant? Would any large distance work?
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Are "you" an ordinary human being? I think so. Is the window an ordinary window? Yes. If you're touching the window, does that mean that your hand is 18000 km from your shoulder? No.

Is the particular distance of 18000 km relevant? Yes, with a tiny -ish. Would any large distance work? No.
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Anything to do with virtual reality? You say the window is about 18000 km away; is it also, say, 3 feet away?

Does it matter what kind of room you're in?
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Does this have to do with light years?
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I meant the speed of light? Or the speed of sound?
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is perspective relevant? You said that the window of your room is 18,000km away, we have thus far implied 18,000km away from you. Is it 18,000km away from something/someone else? 18,000km is approximately the distance to a mid-earth orbit, a little shy - this orbit is used for GPS satellites and the like. Is this relevant?
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Rcs:
Anything to do with virtual reality? No. You say the window is about 18000 km away; is it also, say, 3 feet away? Yes. It is 3 feet away in the common sense. It is 18000 km away in some other sense.

Does it matter what kind of room you're in? No-ish.

Howardwoman:
Does this have to do with light years?
I meant the speed of light? Or the speed of sound? No to all.

Usmcfink:
is perspective relevant? No. You said that the window of your room is 18,000km away, we have thus far implied 18,000km away from you. Is it 18,000km away from something/someone else? I'm sure it is also 18000 km away from something else, but the puzzle statement referred to me. 18,000km is approximately the distance to a mid-earth orbit, a little shy - this orbit is used for GPS satellites and the like. Is this relevant? No, but... explore.
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Are you about to take a trip whose length is 18,000 km? And for some reason you have to complete that trip before you can see/touch your window again?

Are you talking on your cell phone to someone just outside the window, but the signal has to go 18,000 km (to a satellite and back, perhaps) to reach that other person?

Did a GPS device misidentify your location as being 18,000 km away from where you really were for some reason?
Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
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Are you about to take a trip whose length is 18,000 km? No... And for some reason you have to complete that trip before you can see/touch your window again? No, but it is not too far from the right forest. However...

Are you talking on your cell phone to someone just outside the window, but the signal has to go 18,000 km (to a satellite and back, perhaps) to reach that other person? ...this is definitely more OTRT.

Did a GPS device misidentify your location as being 18,000 km away from where you really were for some reason? No.
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Posted on Tuesday, January 13, 2009 - 7:27 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are you on Google Maps or Google Earth, looking at the region where you live in a satellite picture taken at an altitude of approximately 18,000 km?
Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
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Are you on Google Maps or Google Earth, looking at the region where you live in a satellite picture taken at an altitude of approximately 18,000 km? Even closer but still a no...
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Is there anything special about the room / the house / the window that we need to discover?

Is this 18,000km straight up/down? (e.g. aeroplane, satellite, asteroid) Along the ground? Down into the earth itself?

Is the internet relevant? Is your "internet location" (for example, visiting a site in America whilst living in Australia) 18,000km from your window?
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Along Logician's lines: is the window made of glass? Or, perhaps, pixels?
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Posted on Friday, January 16, 2009 - 12:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Logician:
Is there anything special about the room / the house / the window that we need to discover? No.

Is this 18,000km straight up/down? (e.g. aeroplane, satellite, asteroid) No. Along the ground? Yes-ish. Down into the earth itself? No.

Is the internet relevant? YES. Is your "internet location" (for example, visiting a site in America whilst living in Australia) 18,000km from your window? Not 18000 km, but...

D_gordon:
Along Logician's lines: is the window made of glass? Yes. Or, perhaps, pixels? Great idea, but no.
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Are you viewing a webcam video of your window on a site hosted 9,000 km away, so that the image of the window had to travel 9,000 km from your webcam to the site, and then 9,000 km back to your browser?
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Or is some 9,000 kms away looking into your room through your computer
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Posted on Sunday, January 18, 2009 - 9:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Biograd:
Are you viewing a webcam video of your window on a site hosted 9,000 km away, so that the image of the window had to travel 9,000 km from your webcam to the site, and then 9,000 km back to your browser? Close enough for a...

***** SPOILER *****
I was getting dressed the other day and I wondered what the temperature was. I just googled "weather Liège" and I discovered we were at -10°C. The information was right outside my window, but since I don't own a thermometer it had to be collected by a meteo station, sent to Mountain View, CA, U.S.A. and retrieved by my computer here again, a few metres yet some 18000 km away from my window.

Thank you all for participating!
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Posted on Monday, January 19, 2009 - 8:49 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

What does the title "Black and Ragged" mean, if you don't mind my asking?
Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
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Posted on Monday, January 19, 2009 - 9:10 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I forgot to explain this bit :-) The quoted distance from my city to Google HQ (18000 km) is calculated "as the crow flies", and the title is a line from the lyrics of Joni Mitchell's "Black Crow". Cryptic enough to be useless.
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I see. I would never have guessed that one.

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