| Author | Message | ||
| Cupofsun (Cupofsun)
New member Username: Cupofsun Post Number: 185 Registered: 12-2006 |
...but quite a way to deal with your mommy issues. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 405 Registered: 9-2009 |
Does "quite a way" imply overkill? Is something done to someone's mother? Are you referring to an action? Series of actions? A method? Crime involved? Death? Specific people involved? | ||
| Noobdogg (Noobdogg)
Moderator Username: Noobdogg Post Number: 196 Registered: 3-2009 |
Mommy issue = trouble with your mother (arguments / disagreements) ? Or things that a mother might have trouble with, such as the best time to wean a baby? So we have to figure out what this mommy issue is and how it was dealt with? Involved parties - 1? 2? More? All - H? A? M? | ||
| Cupofsun (Cupofsun)
New member Username: Cupofsun Post Number: 187 Registered: 12-2006 |
(Galfisk) Does "quite a way" imply overkill? Yes Is something done to someone's mother?No Are you referring to an action? Yes Series of actions? More this A method? Not sure what you mean. Crime involved? No Death? No Specific people involved?Yes (Noobdogg) Mommy issue = trouble with your mother (arguments / disagreements) ? Yes Or things that a mother might have trouble with, such as the best time to wean a baby? Not this So we have to figure out what this mommy issue is and how it was dealt with?Yes Involved parties - 1? 2? This More? All - H? A? M? 1 is HAM, 1 is HAF | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1680 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is one the mother of the other? A mother and her adult son? Other relative? Oedipus Rex involved? Is a specific science involved? A pseudoscience? Is a law or regulation involved? Are location or time-period/era relevant? | ||
| Tommyp (Tommyp)
New member Username: Tommyp Post Number: 498 Registered: 3-2004 |
The puzzle statement says "Mommy Issues", are more than one issue relevant? The way to deal with issues is overkill - is it dangerous? embarrassing for mother? just more work than needed? | ||
| Cupofsun (Cupofsun)
New member Username: Cupofsun Post Number: 189 Registered: 12-2006 |
(Jenburdoo) Is one the mother of the other? Yes A mother and her adult son? This Other relative?No Oedipus Rex involved?No Is a specific science involved? No A pseudoscience? Yes, in a sense. Is a law or regulation involved?No Are location or time-period/era relevant? Not really, present day. (Tommyp) The puzzle statement says "Mommy Issues", are more than one issue relevant?No, only one relevant one. The way to deal with issues is overkill - is it dangerous?No embarrassing for mother? No just more work than needed?Yes | ||
| Pikachizzle (Pikachizzle)
New member Username: Pikachizzle Post Number: 411 Registered: 5-2009 |
"Involved parties - 1? 2? This More? All - H? A? M? 1 is HAM, 1 is HAF" I hope you mean 1 = HAF, and 2 = HAF. Are any of the following relevant?: Money? Guilt? The father? The son's job? The son's relationships? | ||
| Cupofsun (Cupofsun)
New member Username: Cupofsun Post Number: 194 Registered: 12-2006 |
"Involved parties - 1? 2? This More? All - H? A? M? 1 is HAM, 1 is HAF" I hope you mean 1 = HAF, and 2 = HAF. Two parties are involved. One is a HAM, and one is a HAF, I hope that clears it up. Are any of the following relevant?: Money? No Guilt?No The father?No The son's job?Yes The son's relationships?Noish, not sure what you are asking really. | ||
| Yojimbo (Yojimbo)
New member Username: Yojimbo Post Number: 73 Registered: 11-2009 |
pseduoscience: religion? divination? oracle? astrology, tarot, I Ching, numerology, shamanism relevant? son = the HAM, mommy = the HAF, or FA? Son's job: science involved? or "pseudoscience"? is he an artist(svv; includes writer, painter, potter, glass-blower, actor...)/healer/consultant/engineer/salesman/proprietor/laborer/manager? is he a public servant (elected/appointed official)? is he involved in public safety (policeman/fireman/other)? | ||
| Cupofsun (Cupofsun)
New member Username: Cupofsun Post Number: 196 Registered: 12-2006 |
pseduoscience: religion? divination? oracle? astrology, tarot, I Ching, numerology, shamanism relevant? None of the above. Let me clear this up, it's not a common pseudoscience you'd find in a list, but by using this definition, it is one: "Pseudoscience is a methodology, belief, or practice that is claimed to be scientific, or that is made to appear to be scientific, but which does not adhere to an appropriate scientific methodology." son = the HAM, mommy = the HAF, or FA? Son = the HAM, Mommy = the HAF, that is correct. Son's job: science involved? Yes or "pseudoscience"? Noish is he an artist(svv; includes writer, painter, potter, glass-blower, actor...)/healer Thisish /consultant/engineer/salesman/proprietor/laborer/manager? is he a public servant (elected/appointed official)? Otherwise, none of the above is he involved in public safety (policeman/fireman/other)? Noish. No to those stated. | ||
| Cupofsun (Cupofsun)
New member Username: Cupofsun Post Number: 197 Registered: 12-2006 |
Also, I should correct my answer to if the son's job is relevant. I said "Yes". I should probably say "Yesish". | ||
| Tommyp (Tommyp)
New member Username: Tommyp Post Number: 576 Registered: 3-2004 |
Does the son do this "pseudoscience stuff" at his normal work? or is that something "extra" he does apart from his normal work? | ||
| Cupofsun (Cupofsun)
New member Username: Cupofsun Post Number: 200 Registered: 12-2006 |
Does the son do this "pseudoscience stuff" at his normal work? Possibly but... or is that something "extra" he does apart from his normal work? More this | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 582 Registered: 9-2009 |
Superstition relevant? Does he successfully deal with his mommy issues? Does he want to gain her approval? does his job involve clients? Patients? | ||
| Cupofsun (Cupofsun)
New member Username: Cupofsun Post Number: 202 Registered: 12-2006 |
Superstition relevant? Yesish Does he successfully deal with his mommy issues? I'd say so. Does he want to gain her approval? Irr. does his job involve clients? Patients? This | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 927 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did he have a disagreement with his mother? Did he show her that he was right? Get her to admit he was right? In a very roundabout fashion? Hypnosis invovled? Did he trick her? | ||
| Cupofsun (Cupofsun)
New member Username: Cupofsun Post Number: 206 Registered: 12-2006 |
Did he have a disagreement with his mother? Yes Did he show her that he was right? Yes Get her to admit he was right? Probably this too In a very roundabout fashion? Yes, or in a very direct fashion, depending on your view on things... Hypnosis invovled? No Did he trick her? No | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 953 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did he demonstrate that he was right? Which took a lot of effort? When he could've shown her some simpler way? Did he demonstrate it on her (if applicable)? Did he do "everything" to convince her, when just a little bit had been enough? Did he use lots of: time? Energy? Money? Material resources? | ||
| Cupofsun (Cupofsun)
New member Username: Cupofsun Post Number: 214 Registered: 12-2006 |
Did he demonstrate that he was right? Yes Which took a lot of effort? Yes When he could've shown her some simpler way? Yes Did he demonstrate it on her (if applicable)? No, not on her Did he do "everything" to convince her, when just a little bit had been enough? He did "everything" to convince her, but a little bit would not have worked in this particular puzzle Did he use lots of: time? Energy? Money? Material resources? Time and Energy, lots. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 996 Registered: 9-2009 |
Does he prove to his mother: that he can do something? Be something? Do both the science job and the pseudoscience other thing? Does the proof involve him getting education/training to do something? | ||
| Cupofsun (Cupofsun)
New member Username: Cupofsun Post Number: 216 Registered: 12-2006 |
Does he prove to his mother: that he can do something? Noish Be something? No Do both the science job and the pseudoscience other thing? Noish Does the proof involve him getting education/training to do something? No | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1119 Registered: 9-2009 |
Does he prove that: something is possible? Impossible? That something exists? Or doesn't? Does he trick/fool/mislead his mother? Does he prove that he can teach a pig to ski? ;-) Does he get his job in order to prove it? Does he do the pseudoscience thing in order to prove it? Does he disprove a belief his mother has? Or make her believe something that she was skeptical to before? Cold reading relevant? Mentalism? Magic tricks? Hypnosis? Medicine? Alternative medicine? Homeopathy? Placebo? | ||
| Cupofsun (Cupofsun)
New member Username: Cupofsun Post Number: 219 Registered: 12-2006 |
Does he prove that: something is possible? No Impossible? Yesish That something exists? Or doesn't? Does he trick/fool/mislead his mother? No to rest Does he prove that he can teach a pig to ski? Haha, you're SO close! ;-) ;-) Does he get his job in order to prove it? Yes, I'm sure that's part of the reason. Does he do the pseudoscience thing in order to prove it? Indeed he does this pseudoscience thing only to prove it. Does he disprove a belief his mother has? Exactly that Or make her believe something that she was skeptical to before? More what you said before Cold reading relevant? Mentalism? Magic tricks? Hypnosis? Medicine? Alternative medicine? Homeopathy? Placebo? No to all... small hint: it's not a pseudoscience that would be included in the LTPF list of pseudosciences. It just happens to fit the definition perfectly. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1148 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is an animal invovled? Or skiing? Or other sports? Or is a person invovled? One (or more) of his patients? Is his mother's belief related to health or medicine? Mental health? Animals? Could it be called a superstition? Is it (part of) a religious belief? | ||
| Cupofsun (Cupofsun)
New member Username: Cupofsun Post Number: 221 Registered: 12-2006 |
Is an animal invovled? Or skiing? Or other sports? No to all Or is a person invovled? Only himself One (or more) of his patients? No Is his mother's belief related to health or medicine? YES Mental health? No Animals? No Could it be called a superstition? Maybe this, but I'd call it more of a scrund Is it (part of) a religious belief? No | ||
| Hominid (Hominid)
New member Username: Hominid Post Number: 3 Registered: 1-2010 |
Is he pretending to be a scientist? Is he a real scientist? Is she a real scientist? Are piggy banks involved? Is someone acting like a pig, so to speak? Is snow relevant? Winter? Cold? Games? Recreation? Is health-care-providing relevant? e.g. socialized medicine, universal health care, etc.? Is the location relevant? The time period? Their political affiliations/opinions? Does she need to be his mother for this to work? Is she his REAL mother? Is adoption relevant? Is either of them questioning their actual relation? Is one or more sex change relevant? Is abortion relevant? Does she have any other children? Are they grown? Is the father still alive? Are they still married? Is the son married? Does he have children? Is anyone's profession relevant? Does either have a health problem? Does either believe the other has health problems? Does either believe they have health problems? Are any other people relevant? Other relatives? Anyone else with health conditions? Is anyone pregnant? Is anyone thought to be pregnant? Does the scrund relate to a certain medical condition? A body part? Does she consciously believe it as fact? Has she given much thought to it? | ||
| Cupofsun (Cupofsun)
New member Username: Cupofsun Post Number: 223 Registered: 12-2006 |
(Hominid) Is he pretending to be a scientist? No, he is a scientist. Is he a real scientist?So yes. Is she a real scientist?No. Are piggy banks involved? Is someone acting like a pig, so to speak? Is snow relevant? Winter? Cold? Games? Recreation? No to all the rest. Is health-care-providing relevant? e.g. socialized medicine, universal health care, etc.? Is the location relevant? The time period? Their political affiliations/opinions?No to all. Does she need to be his mother for this to work?I would say yes. Is she his REAL mother?Yes. Is adoption relevant? Is either of them questioning their actual relation? Is one or more sex change relevant? Is abortion relevant? Does she have any other children? No to all. Are they grown?Yes Is the father still alive? Are they still married? Is the son married? Does he have children?Irr to all. Is anyone's profession relevant?Other than the son's no. Does either have a health problem?No Does either believe the other has health problems? Yesish Does either believe they have health problems?No Are any other people relevant?Noish Other relatives? Anyone else with health conditions? Is anyone pregnant? Is anyone thought to be pregnant?No to all. Does the scrund relate to a certain medical condition?Yes A body part?YES Does she consciously believe it as fact?YES Has she given much thought to it?Probably notish... | ||
| Hominid (Hominid)
New member Username: Hominid Post Number: 33 Registered: 1-2010 |
Body part: exterior? Interior? Reproductive? Head? Only in females? Only in males? Is the scrund itself about which gender(s) it occurs in? Does it involve his birth? Does he pretend he is doing scientific research? Does he lie about what the research concludes? Is genetics relevant? Genetic engineering? Are we assuming "pseudo" means fake? | ||
| Cupofsun (Cupofsun)
New member Username: Cupofsun Post Number: 225 Registered: 12-2006 |
(Hominid) Body part: exterior? This Interior? Reproductive? Head? Only in females? Only in males?None of these Is the scrund itself about which gender(s) it occurs in? Does it involve his birth?No to both Does he pretend he is doing scientific research?Yesish Does he lie about what the research concludes? No Is genetics relevant? Genetic engineering? No to both Are we assuming "pseudo" means fake?No, it's not fake, it just falls perfectly under this definition, which I will re-post: "Pseudoscience is a methodology, belief, or practice that is claimed to be scientific, or that is made to appear to be scientific, but which does not adhere to an appropriate scientific methodology." | ||
| Hominid (Hominid)
New member Username: Hominid Post Number: 52 Registered: 1-2010 |
Arms? Hands? Fingers? Anything on the torso? Neck? Legs? Feet? Toes? Anything attached to the head? Does he use the scientific method? Does his mother conclude that they his science is correct Is there a tricky definition of "appropriate?" | ||
| Cupofsun (Cupofsun)
New member Username: Cupofsun Post Number: 227 Registered: 12-2006 |
Arms? Hands? Fingers? THIS Anything on the torso? Neck? Legs? Feet? Toes? Anything attached to the head? Does he use the scientific method? No he uses the pseudo scientific method. Does his mother conclude that they his science is correct It's doubtful Is there a tricky definition of "appropriate?" No, not really, just that it's not accepted as "real" science. | ||
| Torquemada (Torquemada)
New member Username: Torquemada Post Number: 84 Registered: 1-2010 |
Is it related to the length of his fingers? I've heard claims that finger lengths can "prove" all sorts of things, so in this case, is it intelligence? Aggression? Sporting ability? Personality? Or (my guess is that this might be something to do with it) sexuality? | ||
| Hominid (Hominid)
New member Username: Hominid Post Number: 152 Registered: 1-2010 |
Fingers: the bones? The skin? The nails? Fingerprints? | ||
| Cupofsun (Cupofsun)
New member Username: Cupofsun Post Number: 230 Registered: 12-2006 |
Torquemada Is it related to the length of his fingers? No I've heard claims that finger lengths can "prove" all sorts of things, so in this case, is it intelligence? Aggression? Sporting ability? Personality? Or (my guess is that this might be something to do with it) sexuality?No to all, nothing to do with the length. (Hominid) Fingers: the bones? The skin? The nails? Fingerprints? No to all of these with a slight "ish" on bones, but good line of questioning. | ||
| Torquemada (Torquemada)
New member Username: Torquemada Post Number: 130 Registered: 1-2010 |
Joints? Muscles? Tendons? Anything to do with cracking his knuckles? | ||
| Cupofsun (Cupofsun)
New member Username: Cupofsun Post Number: 233 Registered: 12-2006 |
Joints? Muscles? Tendons? Anything to do with cracking his knuckles? THIS! | ||
| Torquemada (Torquemada)
New member Username: Torquemada Post Number: 140 Registered: 1-2010 |
Did he prove that despite what his mum told him, cracking your knuckles doesn't cause arthritis? | ||
| Cupofsun (Cupofsun)
New member Username: Cupofsun Post Number: 235 Registered: 12-2006 |
Did he prove that despite what his mum told him, cracking your knuckles doesn't cause arthritis? Exactly! Now all you need to do is figure out how he did this... should be over soon. | ||
| Torquemada (Torquemada)
New member Username: Torquemada Post Number: 142 Registered: 1-2010 |
Is it along the lines of a broad survey of people who crack their knuckles? Or people who have arthritis? Does it deal with the physical mechanism of knuckle cracking? Did he crack his knuckles all his life? Did he work with people who did? And didn't develop arthritis? Or did he work with people who had arthritis and ask them whether they cracked their knuckles? And they didn't? Did he work in some capacity treating patients with arthritis, and take time in every new assessment to ask whether they cracked their knuckles? | ||
| Cupofsun (Cupofsun)
New member Username: Cupofsun Post Number: 236 Registered: 12-2006 |
Is it along the lines of a broad survey of people who crack their knuckles? Or people who have arthritis? No to both Does it deal with the physical mechanism of knuckle cracking? Yes Did he crack his knuckles all his life? YESissssh Did he work with people who did? No And didn't develop arthritis? Right...HE didn't. Or did he work with people who had arthritis and ask them whether they cracked their knuckles? And they didn't? Did he work in some capacity treating patients with arthritis, and take time in every new assessment to ask whether they cracked their knuckles? But no to all of these. | ||
| Torquemada (Torquemada)
New member Username: Torquemada Post Number: 144 Registered: 1-2010 |
Is the Yesish because he cracked his knuckles but not exactly for all his life? Did he decide at some point to crack his knuckles at every opportunity to prove to his mum that it didn't cause arthritis? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1286 Registered: 9-2009 |
Oh, I've heard of this guy! Great puzzle, I won't $poil. | ||
| Cupofsun (Cupofsun)
New member Username: Cupofsun Post Number: 242 Registered: 12-2006 |
Is the Yesish because he cracked his knuckles but not exactly for all his life? Well, that would be another yesish reason, but the one I intended was different Did he decide at some point to crack his knuckles at every opportunity to prove to his mum that it didn't cause arthritis? Yes, I think this is getting very close to $poiling. | ||
| Torquemada (Torquemada)
New member Username: Torquemada Post Number: 156 Registered: 1-2010 |
So he decided to crack his knuckles to prove that it didn't cause arthritis? And was anyone else involved in this? Or was it just him? Is the "pseudoscientific" element that only he did it, and he didn't have a control group? | ||
| Cupofsun (Cupofsun)
New member Username: Cupofsun Post Number: 248 Registered: 12-2006 |
So he decided to crack his knuckles to prove that it didn't cause arthritis? Yes And was anyone else involved in this? Or was it just him? Just him. Is the "pseudoscientific" element that only he did it, and he didn't have a control group? Well this would be one element of why it isn't scientific, but perhaps HE thought he had a control "group" of some kind... (slamming head against desk moment coming right up...) | ||
| Torquemada (Torquemada)
New member Username: Torquemada Post Number: 172 Registered: 1-2010 |
(slamming head against desk moment coming right up...) Sorry, I don't mean to be dense! :o) So did he know somehow that he wasn't likely to get arthritis? That he was? Did he count his feet as a control? Did he only crack his knuckles on one hand? Did he think he could take the global population of non-knuckle-crackers as a control? | ||
| Jp24 (Jp24)
New member Username: Jp24 Post Number: 10 Registered: 3-2010 |
Hope you don't mind if I join in, I've been lurking for a while on this one... Was his mom the "control"? Did she have arthritis despite never cracking her knuckles? | ||
| Cupofsun (Cupofsun)
New member Username: Cupofsun Post Number: 251 Registered: 12-2006 |
(slamming head against desk moment coming right up...) Sorry, I don't mean to be dense! :o) Haha, you're not dense, you got it below!!! ***SPOILER*** So did he know somehow that he wasn't likely to get arthritis? That he was? Did he count his feet as a control? Did he only crack his knuckles on one hand? YES! Did he think he could take the global population of non-knuckle-crackers as a control? - Hope you don't mind if I join in, I've been lurking for a while on this one... Was his mom the "control"? Did she have arthritis despite never cracking her knuckles? - "Ig Nobel Winner Shows Knuckle Cracking Won’t Cause Arthritis" “Mother, I know you can hear me. Mother, you were wrong! And now that I have your attention, can I stop eating my broccoli, please?” Donald L. Unger raised his hands in mock rebellion. He had defied his mother’s words for three quarters of his life systematically cracking the knuckles on his left hand and leaving his right knuckles free for 60 years, demonstrating (if only anecdotally) that knuckle cracking does not cause arthritis. For this achievement, he won himself the Ig Nobel Award in Medicine, presented last night at the 19th First Annual Ig Nobel Prize ceremony yesterday evening. http://tech.mit.edu/V129/N41/ignobels.html |
