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Posted on Friday, February 20, 2009 - 9:24 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

If he had produced a King instead of an Ace he would have lived.
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Posted on Friday, February 20, 2009 - 9:44 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

He1 = He2?
King = Monarch? Playing card?
Ace = Winning tennis serve? Playing card? Extremely brilliant person?
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Arek,

He1 = He2?
CORRECT

King = Monarch? Playing card?
CARD

Ace = Winning tennis serve? Playing card?
Extremely brilliant person?
CARD
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Posted on Friday, February 20, 2009 - 10:06 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he die voluntarily or was he killed?

Was it some sort of game? If yes, then how many people played this game?
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Did he die voluntarily or was he killed?
NO, YES

Was it some sort of game? If yes, then how many people played this game?
NOT FOR HIM
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Is the way he was killed relevant?
So is there a card game involved? do we need to find out which one? poker? is a card trick involved?
Did the murderer participate at the card game?
Is it relevant where this happened? in which century?
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How many people played this game?
Were they friends/enemies/unrelated to the man who died?
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Tobasi,

Is the way he was killed relevant?
YES

So is there a card game involved? do we need to find out which one? poker? is a card trick involved?
YES, NO, IRRELEVANT, NO

Did the murderer participate at the card game?
WRONG ASSUMPTION

Is it relevant where this happened? in which century?
YES, YES
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FINNO,
How many people played this game?
NOT RELEVANT

Were they friends/enemies/unrelated to the man who died?
POSSIBLY, NO, PROBABLY
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Dis the cards carry any particular weights? Say king was given higher weight than the ace?
Was his death directly related to his producing King card?
From how many cards did he draw the king? Did he draw the card voluntarily or under force?
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Finno,

Did the cards carry any particular weights?
Say king was given higher weight than the ace?
NORMAL RANKINGS

Was his death directly related to his producing King card?
NO - READ THE QUESTION AGAIN

From how many cards did he draw the king? Did he draw the card voluntarily or under force?
WRONG ASSUMPTION - PLEASE REPHRASE
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Was his death directly related to his producing an Ace?

Ace = 1, King = 13; is this the weight (I am not a card player, so don't know what 'normal' rankings mean)?

Did he draw a card knowing fully well that the outcome will affect his chances of living?

Did he draw one card from a pack of 52? If no, then how many cards were there in the pack?
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Is there any kind of magic trick going on here?
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Finno,

Was his death directly related to his producing an Ace?
YES

Ace = 1, King = 13; is this the weight (I am not a card player, so don't know what 'normal' rankings mean)?
ACE NORMALLY RANKS ABOVE KING IN MOST GAMES

Did he draw a card knowing fully well that the outcome will affect his chances of living?
NO - OR WRONG ASSUMPTION

Did he draw one card from a pack of 52? If no, then how many cards were there in the pack?
WRONG ASSUMPTION
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PETER,

Is there any kind of magic trick going on here?

NO
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Posted on Friday, February 20, 2009 - 6:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was he cheating at the game? Did he produce an Ace when somebody else already had that specific one?

Was he killed in the sense that he ceased to breathe and have brain function? Or is this another sense of killed, like when a game piece is "killed" by being taken out of the game?

Just went back and saw you said this was not a game for him. Did he know his life was going to be on the line in this card game? Was it not a game for him because he knew there were more serious stakes?

Was he actually taking part in the game as a player? Perhaps as a dealer? Or was he not taking part in the game at all?
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Kalira,

Was he cheating at the game?
WHAT GAME?

Did he produce an Ace when somebody else already had that specific one?
YES (AND NO)

Was he killed in the sense that he ceased to breathe and have brain function? Or is this another sense of killed, like when a game piece is "killed" by being taken out of the game?
YES, NO

Just went back and saw you said this was not a game for him.
CORRECT

Did he know his life was going to be on the line in this card game?
WHAT GAME?

Was it not a game for him because he knew there were more serious stakes?
WRONG ASSUMPTIONS

Was he actually taking part in the game as a player? Perhaps as a dealer? Or was he not taking part in the game at all?
NO, NO, CORRECT
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Can we call the person who was killed Al? I'll assume we can.

Was Al's death a homicide? A murder? A result of a medical anomaly from natural sources (heart attack, stroke, seizure, etc.)? An accident? A legal execution?

Did Al drown? Get shot? Suffer blunt force trauma from a weapon? Hit the ground at a speed sufficient to cause death? Suffocate?

Was Al poisoned? Decapitated? Cut? Impaled? Crushed? Thrown in the path of a moving trolley? Roundhouse kicked in the face?

Was the relevant card game played at a casino? At a business? In a residence? Narcotics, illegal gambling, or prostitution involved?
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What does "Produced" mean? Taking a card out of a pack of cards or something else? If something else, what is it?
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According to my dictionary, "produce" means:

(verb) To make (a thing) available to a person, an authority, etc.

By 2008, travellers must produce their passport when crossing from Canada to the USA.
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Oh, I forgot to ask, is that the above sense of the word that which is intended by the puzzle statement?
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@Doctapeppa: Yes! I want to know in waht context the term 'produced' is used here
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If he did not produce an Ace and produced a King instead, would someone else might have been killed?
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Doc Pep

Can we call the person who was killed Al? I'll assume we can.
OK

Was Al's death a homicide? A murder? A result of a medical anomaly from natural sources (heart attack, stroke, seizure, etc.)? An accident? A legal execution?
NO, NO, NO, NO, YES

Did Al drown? Get shot? Suffer blunt force trauma from a weapon? Hit the ground at a speed sufficient to cause death? Suffocate?
NO


Was Al poisoned? Decapitated? Cut? Impaled? Crushed? Thrown in the path of a moving trolley? Roundhouse kicked in the face?
NO

Was the relevant card game played at a casino? At a business? In a residence? Narcotics, illegal gambling, or prostitution involved?
NO OR WRONG ASSUMPTION
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Posted on Saturday, February 21, 2009 - 8:13 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

FINNO AND DOC PEP

What does "Produced" mean? Taking a card out of a pack of cards or something else?
NO, YES

If something else, what is it?

According to my dictionary, "produce" means:

(verb) To make (a thing) available to a person, an authority, etc.
EXACTLY
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FINNO,

If he did not produce an Ace and produced a King instead, would someone else might have been killed?
NO
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Was he sentenced to death because of something involving cards?
Could he have been pardoned because of something involving cards?
Could he have escaped because of something involving cards?
Did he actually touch any card in the scope of the puzzle?
Did other people touch any card in the scope of the puzzle?
Did any people play any card game which is relevant to the puzzle?
Is there a particular pack of cards relevant to the puzzle?
Were the cards only virtual, say on a computer?
Did this happen in the U.S.? rest of America? Asia? Europe? Africa? Oceania?
Did this happen in the 15th? 16th? ... 21th? century?
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TOBASI,

Was he sentenced to death because of something involving cards?
YES

Could he have been pardoned because of something involving cards?
MAYBE OR IRRELEVANT

Could he have escaped because of something involving cards?
MAYBE

Did he actually touch any card in the scope of the puzzle?
YES

Did other people touch any card in the scope of the puzzle?
YES

Did any people play any card game which is relevant to the puzzle?
YES - BUT NOT DIRECTLY RELEVANT

Is there a particular pack of cards relevant to the puzzle?
NO

Were the cards only virtual, say on a computer?
NO

Did this happen in the U.S.? rest of America? Asia? Europe? Africa? Oceania?
ENGLAND

Did this happen in the 15th? 16th? ... 21th?
century?
19TH C
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Did someone else know in advance that he has an Ace with him?
Was it a pre-planned murder? Did the murderer(s) know him?
Is it some sort of drinking game?
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FINNO,

Did someone else know in advance that he has an Ace with him?
I DON'T KNOW. MAYBE IRRELEVANT

Was it a pre-planned murder? Did the murderer(s) know him?
NO

Is it some sort of drinking game?
NO
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Is his occupation relevant?
Did he produce the Ace voluntarily? Did he have an idea that he would be sententenced to death doing this?
When he produced the Ace did he actually have cards in his hand? including also a King?
Did he commit a crime? should we find out of which kind?
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Is it something to do with rituals in Royal Family? Do we need to find out more about the family background of this person who was killed?
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Tobasi,

Is his occupation relevant?
YES

Did he produce the Ace voluntarily?
YES

Did he have an idea that he would be sententenced to death doing this?
PROBABLY YES

When he produced the Ace did he actually have cards in his hand? including also a King?
NO OR NOT NECESSARILY

Did he commit a crime? should we find out of which kind?
YES, YES
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What was his crime? Murder? Robbery? Theft?
Was there a judge to decide his fate?
Was he asked to produce one card only or multiple cards? Did he have more than one card with him?
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If his crime wasn't one of the three Finno asked, was it...
Espionage? Treason? A military crime (e.g., going AWOL)? Rape? Incest? Sodomy? Adultery? Apostasy? Drug trafficking? Human trafficking? Corruption?
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FINNO AND DOC PEP,

What was his crime? Murder? Robbery? Theft?
NO, NO, YES - ISH

Was there a judge to decide his fate?
YES

Was he asked to produce one card only or multiple cards?
I DO NOT KNOW WHETHER HE WAS ASKED.

Did he have more than one card with him?
PROBABLY YES

If his crime wasn't one of the three Finno asked, was it...
Espionage? Treason? A military crime (e.g., going AWOL)? Rape? Incest? Sodomy? Adultery? Apostasy? Drug trafficking? Human trafficking? Corruption?
NO
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Hmmm... Yesish theft.

Embezzlement? Burglary? Blackmail? Larceny?
Dealing in stolen property? Pickpocketing?

I don't even know what England was like in the 1800s. :-[
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Admin,

You missed one set of my questions:
Is it something to do with rituals in Royal Family? Do we need to find out more about the family background of this person who was killed?
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Was this Ace his own card or did he pick it up from the place where he committed his crime?
Did he pick it up intentionally or was it inside something he stole?
Was he a servant, nobleman, soldier?
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FINNO,

Is it something to do with rituals in Royal Family? Do we need to find out more about the family background of this person who was killed?
NO

Was this Ace his own card or did he pick it up from the place where he committed his crime?
YES, NO

Did he pick it up intentionally
I NEVER SAID HE PICKED IT UP. I SAID HE PRODUCED IT.

or was it inside something he stole?
NO

Was he a servant, nobleman, soldier?
NO
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Was his crime barratry? Fraud?

Did the production of an ace prove something which led to his execution? Would the production of a king have disproved it? Or was it more a matter of severity?

Was he self-employed? Government worker? Military?
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BODO,

Was his crime battery? Fraud?
NO, YES

Did the production of an ace prove something which led to his execution?
YES

Would the production of a king have disproved it?
NOT EXACTLY DISPROVED

Or was it more a matter of severity?
NO

Was he self-employed? Government worker? Military?
YES, NO, NO
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Actually I meant "barratry" vs. "battery" (seems that Firefox doesn't recognize the word, though). Still waiting for someone to do a puzzle featuring barratry, unless John did one? Can't remember.

Is he a gambler by profession? Does he host games? Play them himself? The ace proved he was cheating at cards? Relevant from where he produced it (e. g. sleeve, hat, pocket etc.)? It was on his person?
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Bodo,

Is he a gambler by profession?
NO

Does he host games? Play them himself? The ace proved he was cheating at cards? Relevant from where he produced it (e. g. sleeve, hat, pocket etc.)? It was on his person?
NO TO ALL THOSE
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Is his occupation one of the following list:
Artistic? Musical?
Agriculture? Hunter? Fisherman?
Banking? Financial? Real estate?
Clerical? Administrative? Receptionist?
Computer related? Hardware? Information technology?
Construction? Craftsman?
Criminal? Jailbird?
Education? Teaching?
Entertainment? Media?
Executive? Management?
Hospitality? Travel? Food Service?
Law enforcement? Police?
Legal Services?
Manufacturing? Distributions?
Medical? Health Services?
Nurse? Carer? Child care?
Politics? Government? Military?
Sales? Marketing? Tradesman?
Religion?
Retired person? Occupational disease?
Research? Academic Research? Applied Research?
Science? Mathematics? Natural science? Humanities?
Sports?
Student? Trainee?
Technical? Engineering?
Transportation?
Unemployed?
Writer? Editor? Translator? Interpreter?
Other?

Was he sentenced by mistake?
Before he produced the Ace was it hidden anywhere? on his body?
When he produced the Ace some people saw it, right? authorities? did these people arrest him? did they witness at the trial?
Did he commit fraud for money?
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Tobasi,

Is his occupation one of the following list:
Artistic? Musical?
Agriculture? Hunter? Fisherman?
Banking? Financial? Real estate?
Clerical? Administrative? Receptionist?
Computer related? Hardware? Information technology?
Construction? Craftsman?
Criminal? Jailbird?
Education? Teaching?
Entertainment? Media?
Executive? Management?
Hospitality? Travel? Food Service?
Law enforcement? Police?
Legal Services?
Manufacturing? Distributions?
Medical? Health Services?
Nurse? Carer? Child care?
Politics? Government? Military?
Sales? Marketing? Tradesman?
Religion?
Retired person? Occupational disease?
Research? Academic Research? Applied Research?
Science? Mathematics? Natural science? Humanities?
Sports?
Student? Trainee?
Technical? Engineering?
Transportation?
Unemployed?
Writer? Editor? Translator? Interpreter?
Other?

NO - UNLESS YOU COUNT CRIMINAL

Was he sentenced by mistake?
NO

Before he produced the Ace was it hidden anywhere? on his body?
NO

When he produced the Ace some people saw it, right? authorities? did these people arrest him? did they witness at the trial?
POSSIBLY

Did he commit fraud for money?
YES
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Posted on Sunday, February 22, 2009 - 10:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is this something like a three-card-Monty scam?
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Posted on Monday, February 23, 2009 - 8:21 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Bodo,

Is this something like a three-card-Monty scam?

NO (WHATEVER THAT IS)
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Posted on Tuesday, February 24, 2009 - 4:19 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Produced = showed?

Produced = made?

Did he only have the Ace (or Aces) in his posession?

Did he have a King in his posession? or was he able to produce one?

Did he have card(s) of other values (other than Ace or King) in his possession? or was he able to produce such a card? iff so: would he have been killed had he produced such a card?

Relevant in what type of location the card was produced?

Relevant in what type of situation the card was produced?

The 'card' on which the Ace is printed relevant?

The 'ink' with which the Ace is printed relevant?

The face of the Ace relevant?

The design on the face of the Ace relevant?

The design on the back of the Ace relevant?
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Posted on Tuesday, February 24, 2009 - 8:29 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Liquizt,

Produced = showed?
NO

Produced = made?
YES

Did he only have the Ace (or Aces) in his posession?
YES - OR IRRELEVANT

Did he have a King in his posession? or was he able to produce one?
IRRELEVANT

Did he have card(s) of other values (other than Ace or King) in his possession? or was he able to produce such a card?
IRRELEVANT

iff so: would he have been killed had he produced such a card?
NO

Relevant in what type of location the card was produced?
NOT REALLY

Relevant in what type of situation the card was produced?
A LITTLE

The 'card' on which the Ace is printed relevant?
NO

The 'ink' with which the Ace is printed relevant?
NO

The face of the Ace relevant?
NO

The design on the face of the Ace relevant?
NO

The design on the back of the Ace relevant?
NO
Tobasi (Tobasi)
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Posted on Tuesday, February 24, 2009 - 1:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hm, the usage of "produce" is still unclear to me. Which of the following definitions is closest to the usage in the puzzle statement:
1: to offer to view or notice
2: to give birth or rise to : yield
3: to extend in length, area, or volume <produce>
4: to make available for public exhibition or dissemination: as a: to provide funding for <search> b: to oversee the making of <will>
5 a: to cause to have existence or to happen : bring about b: to give being, form, or shape to : make ; especially : manufacture
6: to compose, create, or bring out by intellectual or physical effort
7: to cause to accrue

Did his fraud involve cards? the Ace? other objects?
So there were victims of his fraud? people? authorities? organisations?
Did these pay money to him? buy something from him?
Was it fiscal fraud?
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Posted on Tuesday, February 24, 2009 - 1:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Tobasi,

Hm, the usage of "produce" is still unclear to me. Which of the following definitions is closest to the usage in the puzzle statement:
1: to offer to view or notice
NO

2: to give birth or rise to : yield
YES

3: to extend in length, area, or volume <produce>
NO

4: to make available for public exhibition or dissemination: as a: to provide funding for <search> b: to oversee the making of <will>
NO, YES

5 a: to cause to have existence or to happen : bring about b: to give being, form, or shape to : make ; especially : manufacture
YES, YES

6: to compose, create, or bring out by intellectual or physical effort
YES

7: to cause to accrue
NO


Did his fraud involve cards? the Ace? other objects?
YES, YES, NO

So there were victims of his fraud? people? authorities? organisations?
YES, NO, YES, YES

Did these pay money to him? buy something from him?
NO, NO

Was it fiscal fraud?
YES
Tobasi (Tobasi)
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Posted on Wednesday, February 25, 2009 - 12:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he manufacture playing cards? Aces? Kings? other cards?
Was he allowed to manufacture what he did? Did he not pay the business taxes? any other taxes?
Did he manufacture under cover?
Did he commit forgery?
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Posted on Thursday, February 26, 2009 - 12:17 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Tobasi,

Did he manufacture playing cards?
YES

Aces? Kings? other cards?
YES, IRRELEVANT, IRRELEVANT

Was he allowed to manufacture what he did?
NO

Did he not pay the business taxes? any other taxes?
CORRECT

Did he manufacture under cover?
YES

Did he commit forgery?
NOT FORGERY EXACTLY
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Posted on Thursday, February 26, 2009 - 6:01 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I seem to recall a sentence along the lines of "[X playing card company] claims exclusive copyright over the Ace of Spades, Joker, etc." which did not include the design on the kings. Is this relevant?
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Posted on Thursday, February 26, 2009 - 9:37 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

DG,

I seem to recall a sentence along the lines of "[X playing card company] claims exclusive copyright over the Ace of Spades, Joker, etc." which did not include the design on the kings. Is this relevant?
NO
Tobasi (Tobasi)
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Posted on Thursday, February 26, 2009 - 12:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Why was he sentenced for manufacturing an Ace:
At the time at the place it was not allowed at all to produce Aces? Because it happened in England in the 19th? He did not have a licence to do so? His Ace had a particular forbidden feature? There was some copyright issue?

Would he have lived if he had produced a: 2? 3? ... 10? Jack? Queen? Joker? Tarot Card? a dice?
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Posted on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 1:15 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Only the Ace as a whole is relevant?

Would he have died if the Ace had no design on the back?

Did the Ace have a design on the back?

Is the suit relevant? (can't believe I forgot to ask this one!) Iff so: was it an Ace of spades?

Would he have died if he produced an Ace of a different suit?

Having produced the Ace, he was deemed as having committed a crime? and it was for this crime that he was executed?
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Posted on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 7:18 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Liquizt,

Only the Ace as a whole is relevant?
CORRECT

Would he have died if the Ace had no design on the back?
YES

Did the Ace have a design on the back?
IRRELEVANT

Is the suit relevant? (can't believe I forgot to ask this one!) Iff so: was it an Ace of spades?
SPADES

Would he have died if he produced an Ace of a different suit?
I BELIEVE NOT

Having produced the Ace, he was deemed as having committed a crime? and it was for this crime that he was executed?
CORRECT
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Posted on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 7:20 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

TOBASI,

Why was he sentenced for manufacturing an Ace:
At the time at the place it was not allowed at all to produce Aces?
CORRECT

Because it happened in England in the 19th? He did not have a licence to do so?
CORRECT

His Ace had a particular forbidden feature? There was some copyright issue?
NO

Would he have lived if he had produced a: 2? 3? ... 10? Jack? Queen? Joker? Tarot Card? a dice?
YES
Tobasi (Tobasi)
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Posted on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 11:58 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So in England in the 19th it was prohibited to manufacture Aces? Was even the use of Aces prohibited?
If so, was it because the Ace was invented or introduced in another country? because it was associated with illegal gambling?
If there is more I think that I will have to look on Wikipedia.
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Posted on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 12:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

* * * SPOILER * * *

Tobasi,

So in England in the 19th C it was prohibited to manufacture Aces? Was even the use of Aces prohibited?
YES/NO

In England in 1800 the manufacture of playing cards was allowed except for the Ace of Spades. Only His Majesty’s Customs and Excise could produce this card and it was sold to raise tax revenue. Richard Harding was hanged in 1805 for breaking the law by making and selling Aces of Spades.

More details here:

http://www.cardboardillusions.com/card_ace_of_spades.php

This is one reason why the Ace of Spades is associated with death.

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