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Abc (Abc)
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Posted on Friday, March 13, 2009 - 8:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A young man shows off a bottle and tells a group of people what it contains. The contents are not dangerous, and not illegal in any way. Still, he's picked up by the police for this act. Why?
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Was the bottle itself illegal?

Is a scrund involved?

Does someone make a mistake and thinks something's dangerous?

Has the young man (may we call him Jim?) committed a crime?

Are location or time period relevant?
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Is he a magician?
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Are the people he is telling it to relevant? Prisoners, Outcasts, etc.
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Are the contents of the bottle top secret? Some new chemical compound that is not yet patented etc.?
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Does he claim it is a chemical that will dissolve anything?
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Was the bottle itself illegal? No

Is a scrund involved? I'm not sure that I know what a scrund is. Or, rather, I'm pretty sure I DON'T know what it is.

Does someone make a mistake and thinks something's dangerous? It is not a mistake to think that something's dangerous. Lots of things are dangerous. (:

Has the young man (may we call him Jim?) committed a crime? Difficult to say. Depends on one's definition of "crime"

Are location or time period relevant? No

Is he a magician? No

Are the people he is telling it to relevant? No Prisoners, Outcasts, etc. They are rather ordinary people

Are the contents of the bottle top secret? Absolutely not.

Some new chemical compound that is not yet patented etc.? No
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Did he unknowingly implicate himself as a suspect for a crime that involved said bottle/contents?
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Do the police think that he did or said something of a threatening nature? If so, did the man intend his actions or words to be taken as a threat?
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Did he unknowingly implicate himself as a suspect for a crime that involved said bottle/contents? No

Do the police think that he did or said something of a threatening nature? Yes
If so, did the man intend his actions or words to be taken as a threat? Um... not sure
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Hi Torgy (:

does he tell people what it actually contains? or does he tell them it contains something else?

is the liquid actually in the bottle water? water based? oil? drinkable? bodily fluids of some sort?
does the bottle contain a sample of some larger quantity of liquid?

does he say that the liquid will cause the people some harm? will it? does he say it will cause them some benefit? will it? is he selling something? the liquid? is he giving a warning? is he trying to con someone?

the crime he is picked up for - fraud? inciting to violence? racial hatred? disturbing the peace? theft? indecency?
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Did he also tell the group that he intended to use the bottle and/or liquid to do something else? Such as: Hit them with the bottle? Spray or pour the liquid on them? Refuse to give it to them?
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Is a protest involved?
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Hi Torgy (: Well, hello! Long time no see. (:

does he tell people what it actually contains? YES
or does he tell them it contains something else? No

is the liquid actually in the bottle water? No
water based? No
oil? Yes
drinkable? Yes(ish)
bodily fluids of some sort? Um... Yesish, maybe misleading
does the bottle contain a sample of some larger quantity of liquid? Noish

does he say that the liquid will cause the people some harm? No
will it? No
does he say it will cause them some benefit? No
will it? It could
is he selling something? the liquid? is he giving a warning? No to these
is he trying to con someone? I'm not sufficiently familiar with the finer nuances of the word 'con' to give a precise answer, so keep this in mind as I answer "Yes"

the crime he is picked up for - fraud? inciting to violence? racial hatred? disturbing the peace? Perhaps a bit of this theft? indecency? No to the others

Did he also tell the group that he intended to use the bottle and/or liquid to do something else? Such as: Hit them with the bottle? Spray or pour the liquid on them? Refuse to give it to them? All no

Is a protest involved? No
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Did he correctly describe the liquid or was he trying to misguide people?
What was the motive behind this action? Financial gains, fraud, robbery?
Is it some sort of anaesthetic?
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Did he correctly describe the liquid Yes or was he trying to misguide people? Yes
What was the motive behind this action? Financial gains, fraud, robbery? None of these
Is it some sort of anaesthetic? No
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The actual content is different and what he tells the people about it is different?
Although the content is not dangerous, can it prove to be dangerous if used for purpose other than its intended purpose? (e.g. nail polish is not dangerous as such, but if used for drinking it can prove dangerous)?
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Is the liquid cooking oil of some kind? Motor oil? You said yesish to bodily fluids...was the liquid in someone's body at some point? Was it spat out? Is it oil from someone's skin?
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Was the bottle made of glass?

Did the police think that he intended to use the bottle as a weapon? its contents?

Would the man have been arrested if the contents of the bottle had been in a different container?

Did the bottle contain animal fat/lard?

Was the man trying to sell what was in the bottle?

Was it a science fair project?
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Did the man actually get arrested? Did someone misunderstand? mishear? what he was saying? Did he actually mean to say/do something threatening?
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The actual content is different and what he tells the people about it is different? He tells the people precisely and truthfully what is in the bottle.
Although the content is not dangerous, can it prove to be dangerous if used for purpose other than its intended purpose? (e.g. nail polish is not dangerous as such, but if used for drinking it can prove dangerous)? I guess most substances can be dangerous if sufficiently abused, but apart from that, no, the content of the bottle is among the most harmless one can think of

Is the liquid cooking oil of some kind? No
Motor oil? No
You said yesish to bodily fluids...was the liquid in someone's body at some point? I was very uncertain about what to answer. Perhaps yope or noish would have been better. At any rate, I'd say no, it was not ever in someone's body
Was it spat out? Is it oil from someone's skin? Neither

Was the bottle made of glass? Irrelevant

Did the police think that he intended to use the bottle as a weapon? its contents? Neither

Would the man have been arrested if the contents of the bottle had been in a different container? Yes, he would still have been arrested

Did the bottle contain animal fat/lard? Close, but no

Was the man trying to sell what was in the bottle? No

Was it a science fair project? No

Did the man actually get arrested? Let's say he was let off with a warning
Did someone misunderstand? mishear? what he was saying? Yes, all of these Did he actually mean to say/do something threatening? Yope
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Stupid interwebs connectivity issues making me lose my posts <mutters>

My random left-field guess: Did the bottle contain some kind of balm and somebody thought he said he had a bomb?

When you said it was sort of a bodily fluid, did you mean it was oil from an animal's body? Or perhaps from a plant?
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Olive oil? Or some other kind of vegetable oil?
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My random left-field guess: Did the bottle contain some kind of balm and somebody thought he said he had a bomb?

When you said it was sort of a bodily fluid, did you mean it was oil from an animal's body? Yes
Or perhaps from a plant? No

Olive oil? Or some other kind of vegetable oil? Neither
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Milk?
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cod liver oil?
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Are the people suffering from any disease? Will the liquid make their condition worse?
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Milk? No
cod liver oil? Yes
Are the people suffering from any disease? Will the liquid make their condition worse? Both no

Hint: A peek at my profile could be appropriate at this point.
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Does he say "This bottle contains cod liver oil" or something else in addition to this?
Profession of the man & the people relevant?
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In which language did he describe the contents? English? French? Any other?
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Hmmm, Cod liver oil and you're from Norway....

Is he protesting against the cod liver oil industry for indiscriminate fishing?
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Does he say "This bottle contains cod liver oil" or something else in addition to this? The exact expression is "This is cod liver oil", except, that...
Profession of the man To the degree that it can be called a profession, yes
& the people relevant? No
In which language did he describe the contents? English? French? Any other? This
Is he protesting against the cod liver oil industry for indiscriminate fishing? No

Well done so far. All that remains is 1) the rather obvious guess as to what language he is using, and 2) what is his motive.
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Lysi relevant?
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Was he protesting against something?
Was he speaking in Norwegian? Was he in Norway? Did some one misunderstand him because of his accent or a Norwegian word for cod liver oil sounding like something dangerous in other language?
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Superstitions, myths, cultural rules & regulations relevant?
Was cod liver oil symbolic of some kind of protest?
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Lysi relevant? Since I have no idea what that is, I'd say no.
Was he protesting against something? No
Was he speaking in Norwegian? Was he in Norway? Both yes
Did some one misunderstand him because of his accent No
or a Norwegian word for cod liver oil sounding like something dangerous Close in other language? No
Superstitions, myths, cultural rules & regulations relevant? No
Was cod liver oil symbolic of some kind of protest? No

So, if he didn't do it as a protest, why did he do it?
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Did he intend to be misunderstood? Do we need to figure out what the police understood exactly? The Swedish word for cod liver oil would be torskleverolja, if I'm not mistaken, and I expect it to be similar in Norwegian. Any pun on "lever" (=liver/to live)?
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Did he intend to be misunderstood? Exactly this
Do we need to figure out what the police understood exactly? No, I consider the puzzle to be solved.
The Swedish word for cod liver oil would be torskleverolja, if I'm not mistaken, and I expect it to be similar in Norwegian. Any pun on "lever" (=liver/to live)? See below

*********** SPOILER ***********

In Norway, when young people have finished the last class of high school, they become 'russ'. They dress up in red (for language and science studies) or blue (financial studies) overalls and ditto hats, drink themselves senseless, and do a lot of stupid things. Some of these stupid things are institutionalised by the 'russestyre' (board of the russ), and entitles those doing them to tie different small objects into a long string that is hanging from their hats. Examples are bathing in the sea before May 1st, staying overnight in the middle of a roundabout, running through the back seat of a random car that is stopped at a red light etc. etc. Now, one of the official gags one year was to enter a medium crowded bank or post office with a bottle of cod oil, hold it up for everyone to see, and shout "This is cod oil! This is cod oil!" This might seem like an excercise both pointless and harmless, and certainly not a police matter, until one becomes aware of a peculiarity of the Norwegian language.

Crash course in Norwegian:

Dette = this
Er = is
Tran = cod oil
Et = a/an
Ran = Robbery/hold-up

Hence:

"This is cod oil" = "Dette er tran"
"This is a robbery" = "Dette er et ran"

The close resemblance between the two is of course deliberate, and the police, while aware of the "intended misunderstanding", would not approve of the effect on the clients and staff of the bank or post office.
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Nice puzzle!

Lysi is, according to Wikipedia, the original Norse word for cod liver oil.

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