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The novel had severe plot and stylistic flaws, which at first annoyed Paul but soon made him very happy.
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Because Paul realises that these flaws won't stop the novel from being a cult success, thus selling millions of copies?

Is Paul the author? publisher? family/friend of either of these? potential purchaser of book? disinterested observer?
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stylistic flaws in the writing style? or in the design of the cover/paper? or the manufacturing of the cover or the paper?
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Because Paul realises that these flaws won't stop the novel from being a cult success, thus selling millions of copies? Entirely true, but no. =)

Is Paul the author? publisher? family/friend of either of these? potential purchaser of book? No to all. disinterested observer? Noish.

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stylistic flaws in the writing style? This. or in the design of the cover/paper? or the manufacturing of the cover or the paper? No to rest.
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Is the 'noish' to disinterested observer due to Paul having some vested interest in the book? If so, is this interest financial? personal? professional? political? other? Is this interest the reason (the only reason?) why Paul is very happy?

Is it relevant what sort of novel this is? If so, is there a LTPF list of genres that I can invoke? :-) Is there some underlying political? philosophical? point that is being made in the novel?

Would it be useful to discover more detail about precisely how the writing style is 'stylistically flawed'? Is this flaw something which could be a selling point for the book? (cf. Finnegans Wake.)
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Did Paul inspire one of the novel characters? Does the novel tell something about his life? Something he didn't want anyone to hear about? Had he picked a peck of pickled peppers?
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Is the 'noish' to disinterested observer due to Paul having some vested interest in the book? Yesish. =) If so, is this interest financial? personal? This. professional? political? other? Is this interest the reason (the only reason?) why Paul is very happy? Yes, but to clarify, "vested interest isn't the phrase I'd use.

Is it relevant what sort of novel this is? No, but define sort. If so, is there a LTPF list of genres that I can invoke? :-) Genre irrelevant. Is there some underlying political? philosophical? point that is being made in the novel? Irr.

Would it be useful to discover more detail about precisely how the writing style is 'stylistically flawed'? Yes. Is this flaw something which could be a selling point for the book? (cf. Finnegans Wake.) Possibly, but irr.

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Did Paul inspire one of the novel characters? No. Does the novel tell something about his life? Noish. Something he didn't want anyone to hear about? No. Had he picked a peck of pickled peppers? Yes, but completely irrelevant. =)
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Does Paul know the author? Is Paul the author? Is anyone besides Paul and/or the author relevant? Could anyone besides Paul pick up the book, note the flaws, and be happy? Could I do so?

Is this a true story? A real book? Would it help to know which one? Could this apply to other books?

Are the physical aspects of the book relevant? (Size, whether it's paper, hardcover, or electronic, etc)?

Was the book deliberately flawed? Is this what made Paul happy? Is the success of the book relevant? Has the book actually been published? Is Paul an editor?
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Does Paul know the author? No. Is Paul the author? No. Is anyone besides Paul and/or the author relevant? No. Could anyone besides Paul pick up the book, note the flaws, and be happy? Yesish. Could I do so? Under his circumstances, yes. On any given day, no.

Is this a true story? No. A real book? No. Would it help to know which one? Could this apply to other books? Completely fictional book. =)

Are the physical aspects of the book relevant? (Size, whether it's paper, hardcover, or electronic, etc)? Assume it's on paper. And see below.

Was the book deliberately flawed? Yope. Is this what made Paul happy? Yes, given the yope above. Is the success of the book relevant? Noish. Has the book actually been published? NO. Good question. Is Paul an editor? Irr.
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*************RECAP

Since this has been sitting for so long.

Paul is not the author of the book, is not in the book, and has in no way contributed to its being made, but it is important to him in some way. The flaws are entirely involved in the writing itself, and it would help to find out what they are. Genre is irrelevant, but something about the structure/subject of the book is relevant-ish...that's a tough one to answer. The book is on paper. This can only happen under a certain set of circumstances yet to be determined.

Is the book deliberately flawed? YOPE
Has the book actually been published? NO.
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is the book about paul? is it written in english? has it been typed? is it handwritten? is this the only copy? are there pictures in the book? did paul draw the pictures in the book? are you referring to the physical structure of the book? is it really big? out of order? written on one big piece of paper?
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is the book about paul? No. is it written in english? Yes. has it been typed? is it handwritten? Could work either way, but assume handwritten for simplicity's sake. is this the only copy? Yes. are there pictures in the book? Irr. did paul draw the pictures in the book? No. are you referring to the physical structure of the book? No. is it really big? Irr. out of order? No, but the writing is confused somehow... written on one big piece of paper? Irr.
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is it written backwards? in reverse? is paul dyslexic?
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When you say it hasn't been published, do you simply mean that the book hasn't been copied and distributed to the public? Is it a manuscript? I know you said genre was irrelevant, but the book is fiction, correct?

Is Paul conducting research on the book (e.g. for an English paper)? On the subject covered by the book? Is he writing a paper? a novel? Is he a rival writer of the one who wrote the flawed book?

Would this by any chance be a story in which Paul is writing a novel and then finds out someone else is writing a novel about much the same subject that is quite similar to his, would it? And once he finds out it's really flawed, he realizes (a) his will be much better and thus outshine this one? (b) because it will take time to fix the flaws, his book will come out first, therefore taking all the glory (and the copyright rights)?
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is it written backwards? in reverse? is paul dyslexic? No to all, but interesting.

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When you say it hasn't been published, do you simply mean that the book hasn't been copied and distributed to the public? It hasn't been sent out to a publisher. Is it a manuscript? Yesish. I know you said genre was irrelevant, but the book is fiction, correct? Yope. Good question.

Is Paul conducting research on the book (e.g. for an English paper)? No. On the subject covered by the book? No. Is he writing a paper? No. a novel? No. Is he a rival writer of the one who wrote the flawed book? No.

Would this by any chance be a story in which Paul is writing a novel and then finds out someone else is writing a novel about much the same subject that is quite similar to his, would it? No. And once he finds out it's really flawed, he realizes (a) his will be much better and thus outshine this one? (b) because it will take time to fix the flaws, his book will come out first, therefore taking all the glory (and the copyright rights)? No, but good story.
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Does the puzzle relate to a story yet to be discovered? Are there other people involved? Other books? Authors? Publishers?

Is Paul an author? Critic? Publisher? Is he involved at all with the book publishing business? If not, is there anything relevant about Paul's occupation, relationships or situation -- could he be any reader?

Are there aspects of the book outside of style and content that are relevant?

What relationships are relevant:
Between Paul and the writer? The book content? Other aspects of the book? The publisher?

Between writer and book content? Other aspects of book? Publisher?

Between the book and publisher?

Is Paul's main issue with the book content flaws? Or with some other aspect of the narrative that is related to those flaws?

Is the specific nature of the flaws relevant? Would he have been annoyed if the book was flawed in some other way?

Is this specific book relevant? If he had read a different book exhibiting the same flaws, but by a different author at a different time, would he have been equally as annoyed? Does the flaw relate to a pet peeve? Same question regarding a newpaper article -- did it need to be a book?

Any of the following relevant: fiction, non-fiction, case, tense, first-person vs. third person, sequels, language, grammar, spelling, chonology, esoterica?

I do not have a liberal arts education -- do I need to know much about writing to solve this?

He soon became happy -- was this due to a realization he had? Or did something happen between his annoyance and his happiness?

Does his happiness have elements of vengence or schadenfreude (pleasure felt at someone else's misfortune)? For example, he might be a book critic and he realizes he has the fodder for a scathing review.
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Does the puzzle relate to a story yet to be discovered? Not sure what you mean. The whole situation is as yet undiscovered, yes. Are there other people involved? Not directly. Other books? Authors? Publishers? No.

Is Paul an author? Critic? Publisher? Is he involved at all with the book publishing business? No. If not, is there anything relevant about Paul's occupation, No. relationships Noish. or situation Yes.-- could he be any reader? Any person in his situation would feel the same.

Are there aspects of the book outside of style and content that are relevant? Yesish.

What relationships are relevant:
Between Paul and the writer? Yesish. The book content? Yes. Other aspects of the book? Yesish. The publisher? No publisher--see above.

Between writer and book content? Yes. Other aspects of book? Yesish. Publisher?

Between the book and publisher? The book was not published.

Is Paul's main issue with the book content flaws? Yes. Or with some other aspect of the narrative that is related to those flaws? Yes.

Is the specific nature of the flaws relevant? Yes. Would he have been annoyed if the book was flawed in some other way? Irr.

Is this specific book relevant? Noish.If he had read a different book exhibiting the same flaws, but by a different author at a different time, would he have been equally as annoyed? Probably. Does the flaw relate to a pet peeve? No, I think anyone would be annoyed by this.Same question regarding a newpaper article -- did it need to be a book? No.

Any of the following relevant: fiction vs. non-fiction, This. case, tense, This. first-person vs. third person, This. sequels, language, grammar, spelling, chonology, Thisish. esoterica?

I do not have a liberal arts education -- do I need to know much about writing to solve this? No.

He soon became happy -- was this due to a realization he had? Yes. Or did something happen between his annoyance and his happiness? No.

Does his happiness have elements of vengence or schadenfreude (pleasure felt at someone else's misfortune)? For example, he might be a book critic and he realizes he has the fodder for a scathing review. Not at all.
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So is the stylistic flaw related primarily to the chronology and sequence of the plot? Would his happiness be in discovering that the plot was not flawed, but was non-sequential and more sophisticated than he initially thought?

For example, some of John Le Carre's books involve fragmented and non-sequential plots that are confusing at first, but quite enjoyable once you figure out what's happening. Anything like this?

Once he was happy, did the flaws still remain? And did he still perceive them as flaws?

Did Paul have any personal conditions or situations that are relevant?

Was Paul's happiness limited to the experience of reading the book? Or is it due to realizations about matters that go beyond the reading of the book?
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So is the stylistic flaw related primarily to the chronology and sequence of the plot? It involves this, but there's more to it. Would his happiness be in discovering that the plot was not flawed, but was non-sequential and more sophisticated than he initially thought? No.

For example, some of John Le Carre's books involve fragmented and non-sequential plots that are confusing at first, but quite enjoyable once you figure out what's happening. Anything like this? Only in the vaguest way.

Once he was happy, did the flaws still remain? Yesish. And did he still perceive them as flaws? No. Or, at least, he understood them.

Did Paul have any personal conditions or situations that are relevant? His situation is very relevant.

Was Paul's happiness limited to the experience of reading the book? No. Or is it due to realizations about matters that go beyond the reading of the book? Yes.
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Do we need to explore how he came to be reading an unpublished manuscript? Would the puzzle work if had been reading a published book?

Aside from the stylistic flaws, is the content of the book relevant? It is non-fiction, correct? Is it about a topic that relates to his personal situation?

The author is irrelevant, correct?

May I define three realms or levels of abstraction upon which to view this book: 1) The mechanical elements including language, syntax, sentence structure, grammar, genre, and flawed stylistic elements, all of which are independent and separate from 2) the intellectual content and ideas embodied in the book, and 3) the "meta-story", or story about the story, which pertains to circumstances surrounding how the book was written, why it is unpublished, who wrote it, how Paul got the manuscript, etc.

Sounds like Paul's annoyance is with #1, the mechanical elements, correct? Does it relate to 2 or 3, the book content or metastory? Is his happiness mainly due to realizations that he has about the metastory? The content? The mechanical elements?

Does his personal situation relate to health? Romance? Finance? Career? Family? Friends? Business? Politics? Education? Recreation? Success? Failure? Art?

Does Paul have any physical conditions or limitations? Mental conditions or limitations? Is time and place relevant?
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Do we need to explore how he came to be reading an unpublished manuscript? It might help. Would the puzzle work if had been reading a published book? That would be impossible given the situation.

Aside from the stylistic flaws, is the content of the book relevant? Yesish. It is non-fiction, correct? Yope. Is it about a topic that relates to his personal situation? Yesish.

The author is irrelevant, correct? No.

May I define three realms or levels of abstraction upon which to view this book: 1) The mechanical elements including language, syntax, sentence structure, grammar, genre, and flawed stylistic elements, all of which are independent and separate from 2) the intellectual content and ideas embodied in the book, and 3) the "meta-story", or story about the story, which pertains to circumstances surrounding how the book was written, why it is unpublished, who wrote it, how Paul got the manuscript, etc. Sounds good to me.

Sounds like Paul's annoyance is with #1, the mechanical elements, correct? Somewhat. Does it relate to 2 or 3, the book content or metastory? It includes 2. Is his happiness mainly due to realizations that he has about the metastory? Yes. The content? And yes. The mechanical elements? No.

Does his personal situation relate to health? Romance? Finance? Career? Family? Friends? Business? Politics? Education? Recreation? Success? Failure? Art? All of these vaguely, none directly.

Does Paul have any physical conditions or limitations? No. Mental conditions or limitations? No. Is time and place relevant? Yope. I'd continue thinking of it as "situation".

These are great questions, sorry if the answers are necessarily vague.
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Okay, let me try to clear up the manuscript "genre" a bit. You said it's yopely fictional and yopely nonfiction, correct? Is the book a fictional (auto?)biography? A fictional account of a real event? Creative nonfiction? Is it fiction that the author is trying to pass off as nonfiction? Nonfiction the author is trying to pass off as fiction?

If any real events are relevant to the content of the book, is Paul one of the people who was involved in some way with those real events? related to someone who was involved in some way? a friend of someone involved?

Was Paul selected randomly from a pool of people to read this book? Was it specifically him who was chosen to read the book (something along the lines of "This book was written about x. I think Paul is a logical choice for a reader.")? Is he the only one reading the manuscript? Did he choose to read the manuscript (rather than someone else giving it to him or asking him to do so)?
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Okay, let me try to clear up the manuscript "genre" a bit. You said it's yopely fictional and yopely nonfiction, correct? yes. Is the book a fictional No. (auto?)biography? Yope. A fictional account of a real event? No. Creative nonfiction? No.Is it fiction that the author is trying to pass off as nonfiction? No. Nonfiction the author is trying to pass off as fiction? No, but...

If any real events are relevant to the content of the book, is Paul one of the people who was involved in some way with those real events? Yes. related to someone who was involved in some way? And yes. a friend of someone involved? And yes--though none of these people is especially relevant.

Was Paul selected randomly from a pool of people to read this book? No, but it was more or less random. Was it specifically him who was chosen to read the book (something along the lines of "This book was written about x. I think Paul is a logical choice for a reader.")? No. Is he the only one reading the manuscript? Yes. Did he choose to read the manuscript (rather than someone else giving it to him or asking him to do so)? Yes.
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That Kalira beat me to the punch -- I was going to ask, is Paul a public figure? Or at least one of the main characters in the book?

Is this based on a real person? Real event?

Did Paul become happy because in reading the flawed text, he found the content of the story to be agreeable to him? Complimentary of him? Reflecting his interpretation of the events described in the book? Devoid of details that Paul would prefer not become public?

How was it that Paul came to read the manuscript -- did he commission the work? Had the author previously approached Paul, and he agreed to cooperate with the condition that he review the draft? Whose idea was it to have this book written -- Paul's? The author's? Some other person's?
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That Kalira beat me to the punch -- I was going to ask, is Paul a public figure? Irr. Or at least one of the main characters in the book? Nope, not in the book at all.

Is this based on a real person? Real event? The puzzle itself? No.

Did Paul become happy because in reading the flawed text, he found the content of the story to be agreeable to him? I'll say yes, but clarify. Complimentary of him? No.Reflecting his interpretation of the events described in the book? In a way. Devoid of details that Paul would prefer not become public? No.

How was it that Paul came to read the manuscript -- did he commission the work? No. Had the author previously approached Paul, and he agreed to cooperate with the condition that he review the draft? No. Whose idea was it to have this book written -- Paul's? The author's? This. Some other person's?

I'll repeat something from the recap, because I know there are a lot of confusing details floating around.

Paul is not the author of the book, is not in the book, and has in no way contributed to its being made. He does not know the author, and she (gender is irrelevant, but let's make the author a woman for simplicity's sake) is unaware of him. Finding out more general details of what is going on should help.
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Paul was not personally written about in the book, but he was involved in events that were portrayed in the book?

Was his happiness due to:
- The fact that the events were in the book?
- The way in which those events were portrayed?
- Some direct personal benefit?

Does reading the manuscript give Paul valuable information that he did not already know?

How did he get the manuscript:
- She gave it to him?
- Somebody else gave it to him?
- He accidently found it?
- He purposely tried to obtain it?

Did anybody else know he was reading the manuscript?

Are the events described in the book one of the main elements we need to discover to solve this puzzle? Are they historical? Political? Cultural? Related to any kind of conflict? Game? Personal? Academic? Financial?

Do the events involve people? 2 people? Up to 10 people? A family? Neighborhood? Town? City? State? Country? Countries? The entire world?

Do the events span an hour? Day? Week? Month? Year? Decade? Lifetime? Century? Centuries?

If the manuscript had been written by someone else, would it still have made Paul happy?

Was the author also involved in the events in question?
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Paul was not personally written about in the book, but he was involved in events that were portrayed in the book? Yes.

Was his happiness due to:
- The fact that the events were in the book? Partly.
- The way in which those events were portrayed? Yesish.
- Some direct personal benefit? Yesish.

Does reading the manuscript give Paul valuable information that he did not already know? YES. Very good question.

How did he get the manuscript:
- She gave it to him? No.
- Somebody else gave it to him? No.
- He accidently found it? Yes.
- He purposely tried to obtain it? No.

Did anybody else know he was reading the manuscript? No.

Are the events described in the book one of the main elements we need to discover to solve this puzzle? Some of them, yes. Are they historical? Political? Cultural? Related to any kind of conflict? Could be defined as all these, given that this puzzle is a fictional situation. Game? Personal? Academic? Financial? No to rest.

Do the events involve people? Yes. 2 people? Up to 10 people? A family? Neighborhood? Town? City? State? Country? Countries? The entire world? YES.

Do the events span an hour? Day? Week? Month? Around here. Year? Decade? Lifetime? Century? Centuries?

If the manuscript had been written by someone else, would it still have made Paul happy? Yes.

Was the author also involved in the events in question? Yes.
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did the book give paul some kind of idea of what might happen to him in the future in anyway? i take it he wasn't suppose to be reading the book? is the relationship between paul and the author relevant? co-workers? family members? gf? other? did paul get an idea about his work status?
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did the book give paul some kind of idea of what might happen to him in the future in anyway? In a way, yes. i take it he wasn't suppose to be reading the book? He was neither encouraged nor prohibited. is the relationship between paul and the author relevant? Yope.co-workers? family members? gf? other? No. did paul get an idea about his work status? No.
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Getting back to the book content and metastory -- could the metastory plausibly occur in reality? Is time travel involved? Do the sequential and chronological flaws relate to the time travel?

The events involve the entire world, correct? Was there a situation that threatened the world?

Was the new information he discovered by reading the manuscript good news? Did it relate to the entire world? Or primarily to Paul?
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Getting back to the book content and metastory -- could the metastory plausibly occur in reality? Unlikely. Is time travel involved? No. Do the sequential and chronological flaws relate to the time travel? No.

The events involve the entire world, correct? Yes. Was there a situation that threatened the world? At one point, yesish.

Was the new information he discovered by reading the manuscript good news? Yes. Did it relate to the entire world? Noish. Or primarily to Paul? Yope.
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Is this fictional puzzle based on historical events that actually happened? For example, a fictional story that took place in WWII Germany?
Does it take place during a particular time period? In the past? Present? Future?

There is a situation that affects the entire world. Is it a war? Political upheaval? Alien invasion? Environmental event? Death of an androgenous pop-star? Plague? Economic upheaval?

Is the manuscript a biography? In writing the story, does the author have insider access to information that is not generally known?

Is the valuable information that Paul discovers related to the actions or thoughts of a person or people?

Are languages or translations relevant?
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Is this fictional puzzle based on historical events that actually happened? No. For example, a fictional story that took place in WWII Germany?
Does it take place during a particular time period? Not really. In the past? Present? Future? Hypothetically, it would be this.

There is a situation that affects the entire world. Yes. Is it a war? Political upheaval? Alien invasion? Environmental event? Death of an androgenous pop-star? Haha. Plague? This. Several causes are possible, but this works. Economic upheaval?

Is the manuscript a biography? Yope. Good question. In writing the story, does the author have insider access to information that is not generally known? Hmm. Yesish.

Is the valuable information that Paul discovers related to the actions or thoughts of a person or people? Yes, and more.

Are languages or translations relevant? No.
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***************RECAP #2

Paul was not involved in the making of the book in any way, and is not in a character in it. He does not know the author and she is not aware he is reading it. It is an unpublished, handwritten manuscript. There is something unusual about the book's plot/genre: it is yopeishly fiction, yopeishly biography. Certain events in it are important. Paul gets valuable information from reading that positively affects his future.

The events happening in the world are very important. This takes place in a fictional future. A catastrophic event such as a plague is involved.

You should be able to take it from here. =)
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Was the writer suffering symptoms of the "plague" while writing the book? If so, do the symptoms effect the hands? The eyes? The brain?

Does Paul have similar symptoms? Does the book offer a possible cure for them?
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Was the writer suffering symptoms of the "plague" while writing the book? No. If so, do the symptoms effect the hands? The eyes? The brain?

Does Paul have similar symptoms? No. Does the book offer a possible cure for them? No. The world event could be several things other than a plague.
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Darn it, I thought I had it...

Was the book written by a child?
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Darn it, I thought I had it... That was a good one. It did go with the recap.

Was the book written by a child? No.
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Was the book by someone whose native language is not English? If so, is this relevant? Did it tell him that people from elsewhere in the world also survived?

Did the book tell him where could find a group of survivors?
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Was the book by someone whose native language is not English? If so, is this relevant? Irr. Did it tell him that people from elsewhere in the world also survived? Noish, but OTRT.

Did the book tell him where could find a group of survivors? Yesish!
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Was the author writing in the dark, hence the errors? Did the author write it a little bit at a time, hence the errors? While travelling?

Is he in someone else's house? The author's house?
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Was the author writing in the dark, hence the errors? No. Did the author write it a little bit at a time, hence the errors? While travelling? No, interesting guesses.

Is he in someone else's house? The author's house? Irr, this is possible.
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Was it the author's intention to write a book that would eventually be published, to make money? ...to leave information for someone like Paul to find? ...and follow?

Did paul think he was the last man on earth? in the country? in the vicinity?

The information Paul got - would it help him... survive? ...find help? Repopulate the world?
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Was the author dead at the time that Paul read the book? Did Paul believe he was? Did the errors signal that the author must be alive? And thus still editing the book? Or that the people his book is sort of biographically describing are still alive?
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Was it the author's intention to write a book that would eventually be published, to make money? At one point during writing, yes. ...to leave information for someone like Paul to find? ...and follow? At another point during writing, yes.

Did paul think he was the last man on earth? Possibly. in the country? Or something like this. in the vicinity?

The information Paul got - would it help him... survive? Yes. ...find help? Yes. Repopulate the world? Possibly, yes.

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Was the author dead at the time that Paul read the book? No. Did Paul believe he was? Yes. Did the errors signal that the author must be alive? Yes! And thus still editing the book? But not like this. Or that the people his book is sort of biographically describing are still alive? Yesish and FAish.
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Were the errors due to writing in a hurry? Was the whole book full of errors?

Was the book fictional, then changed into non-fiction at some point? Did it tell him how to contact... the author? ...other survivors?
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Were the errors due to writing in a hurry? Was the whole book full of errors? No to both.

Was the book fictional, then changed into non-fiction at some point? Yes. Did it tell him how to contact... the author? Yesish, and entirely close enough for a spoil....other survivors?

********************SPOILER
Paul is wandering around after some catrastrophic event that has killed of much of humanity. He has met no other survivors. He finds a novel that someone had been writing pre-apocalypse, and begins reading it, assuming the author is dead.

The story starts off coherently, but then abruptly changes style completely. It goes from a normal 3rd person narrative to a confusing diary-entry type story, with completely new characters, so that he finds it hard to follow.

Soon, though, he realizes that what he is reading is the author's own diary, which she started writing after the apocalyptic event instead of continuing the novel. This proves, then, that there were other survivors! At the end of the diary, she leaves instructions on where to find herself and the other survivors she has met, just in case someone reads it.

Thanks for sticking with this one, everybody, and nice solve Drop!
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Nice one Gourami.
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Thanks. =) It was hard to know when to spoil, since all the elements were pretty much there already.

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