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Absinthe (Absinthe)
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Posted on Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 7:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

If that car hadn't driven past, he probably would have died.
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Posted on Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 8:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

He = HAM?
Did the car save him? The driver of the car?
Was the saving purposely done, or coicidental?
Was the car/driver looking for him?
Driver = HAM/HAF?
Probably = Certain? Almost certain? Most likely? Likely? Fifty-fifty? Less?
Car = Sedan? SUV? Truck (lorry for the British) (pickup)? Truck (semi, a "trucking truck" with detachable cab)? Truck (delivery, smaller with attached cab)? Military vehicle? Other kind of car?
Road = Interstate? Major highway? Minor highway? City road? Country road? Back road? Alley? Backwoods-gap-in-the-trees? No road at all?
"That" means that specific car? Or any car at all that just happened to be that one?
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He = HAM? Yes.
Did the car save him? Indirectly, yes. The driver of the car? No.
Was the saving purposely done, or coicidental? Coincidental.
Was the car/driver looking for him? No.
Driver = HAM/HAF? Irr.
Probably = Certain? Almost certain? Most likely? Likely? Fifty-fifty? Less? Almost certain to certain.
Car = Sedan? SUV? Truck (lorry for the British) (pickup)? Truck (semi, a "trucking truck" with detachable cab)? Truck (delivery, smaller with attached cab)? Military vehicle? Other kind of car? Just a regular car. Assume a sedan.
Road = Interstate? Major highway? Minor highway? City road? Country road? Most likely this. Back road? Alley? Backwoods-gap-in-the-trees? No road at all? Though it may have been this.
"That" means that specific car? Or any car at all that just happened to be that one? Could have been any car.
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Was "he" injured? being attacked?

Was merely the event of a car passing him that saved his life? or was there something else involved that made it so that he wouldn't die?
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Is there anyone else relevant to this situation?
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Was "he" injured? Yes. being attacked? No.

Was merely the event of a car passing him that saved his life? By itself, no. or was there something else involved that made it so that he wouldn't die? This.

Is there anyone else relevant to this situation? Yes.
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Posted on Tuesday, May 26, 2009 - 11:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is "he" (let's call him Grant) in a moving vehicle?
Static vehicle?
On the road?
In a building?
Did the person in the driving car see Grant?
Did he realize that Grant was injured?
Did he help Grant get to a hospital?
Did he help Grant directly? [i.e., he's a doctor and was able to help him on the spot. or, the he has bandages in the trunk of his car.].
Was the way that Grant got injured relevant?
Can this happen in real life?
Could the car be replaced with a bicycle?
Are any other people inside the car besides the driver? Relevant?
Is the driver doing anything illegal?
Is Grant?
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Did the car somehow "intercept" some "thing" that would have otherwise killed him?
Did the car stop? Speed up? Slow down? Not change speed at all? Change direction? Is any of that even relevant?

Is the title relevant?
Was inclement weather involved?
Could lightning have struck him?
Did he get in the car?
Did getting in the car save his life?

Was he injured before the car came? As it was coming? When it got there?
If before: 5 mins? 10? 30? 1+ hours?
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Is "he" (let's call him Grant) in a moving vehicle? No.
Static vehicle? Yes.
On the road? No.
In a building? No.
Did the person in the driving car see Grant? Assume no.
Did he realize that Grant was injured?
Did he help Grant get to a hospital?
Did he help Grant directly? [i.e., he's a doctor and was able to help him on the spot. or, the he has bandages in the trunk of his car.]. So no to all of these.
Was the way that Grant got injured relevant? Yes.
Can this happen in real life? Yes. Grant's actually my father.
Could the car be replaced with a bicycle? No.
Are any other people inside the car besides the driver? Relevant? Not relevant.
Is the driver doing anything illegal? No.
Is Grant? No.

Did the car somehow "intercept" some "thing" that would have otherwise killed him? No.
Did the car stop? Speed up? Slow down? Not change speed at all? Change direction? Is any of that even relevant? The car simply drove past without changing speed.

Is the title relevant? Yes, but distantly. You can solve the puzzle without its help.
Was inclement weather involved? No.
Could lightning have struck him? No.
Did he get in the car? No.
Did getting in the car save his life? So no.

Was he injured before the car came? Yes. As it was coming? When it got there?
If before: 5 mins? 10? 30? 1+ hours? Around 15 mins to an hour.
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Did Grant see the car?
Did him seeing the car save him in the end?
If Grant had just seen the man without his car passing by, would that be sufficient?
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Did Grant see the car? Assume no.
Did him seeing the car save him in the end? No.
If Grant had just seen the man without his car passing by, would that be sufficient? No.
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Does it matter which direction the car came from?
Was Grant injured by a fall?
Any third party relevant to his injury?
If the car had passed by 5 minutes earlier, would anything change?
Was there anything specific about the car that matters, or could it have been any car?
Did the car make physical contact with him?

Is Grant's eyesight okay?
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Does it matter which direction the car came from? No.
Was Grant injured by a fall? No, but very much OTRT.
Any third party relevant to his injury? No.
If the car had passed by 5 minutes earlier, would anything change? No.
Was there anything specific about the car that matters, or could it have been any car? It could have been any car.
Did the car make physical contact with him? No.

Is Grant's eyesight okay? Yes.
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Did Grant bump into something?
Is his injury fatal?
Is something else the cause of his almost-death?
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Was he knocked unconscious and a passing car splashed water on him and woke him up?
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Did Grant bump into something? Yope.
Is his injury fatal? If left untreated, yes.
Is something else the cause of his almost-death? No.

Was he knocked unconscious and a passing car splashed water on him and woke him up? No.
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Would he have died from:
Loss of blood?
Deprivation of oxygen?
Organ failure?
Infection?
Pneumonia?

Is it raining outside?
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Would he have died from:
Loss of blood? This.
Deprivation of oxygen?
Organ failure? Possibly this too.
Infection?
Pneumonia?

Is it raining outside? No.
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Did Grant faint?
Had Grant been out drinking all night?
Was he hit by an object?
Did he get a cut / scrape somewhere on his body?
Grant is in a vehicle-- did he crash?
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Did Grant faint? Probably.
Had Grant been out drinking all night? No.
Was he hit by an object? No.
Did he get a cut / scrape somewhere on his body? Yes.
Grant is in a vehicle-- did he crash? Yes.
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Was he cut by anything that one would normally find in a car?
Was he stuck inside his window?
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Was he cut by anything that one would normally find in a car? FA. Also, his injuries are standard injuries one would expect a person to sustain in a crash; there's nothing special about them other than that they're life-threatening.
Was he stuck inside his window? Rephrase please?
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Did Grant fly through his windshield?
Did the car that pass alert someone that Grant was hurt? Or that there was an accident?
Relevant whether or not that car had mirrors?
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Did Grant fly through his windshield? No.
Did the car that pass alert someone Yes! that Grant was hurt? Or that there was an accident? This.
Relevant whether or not that car had mirrors? No.
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Was the alerting car the only car in the area at the time [besides Grant's]?
Does it matter where that car is headed?
So Grant is unconscious in his car after an accident...
Does it matter how close the cars came into physical contact [I.E. Grant's car is on fire and a passing car drives close enough to spread the fire and alert someone]?
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Was the alerting car the only car in the area at the time [besides Grant's]? Yes.
Does it matter where that car is headed? No.
So Grant is unconscious in his car after an accident... FA.
Does it matter how close the cars came into physical contact [I.E. Grant's car is on fire and a passing car drives close enough to spread the fire and alert someone]? FA. But it isn't relevant how close the car comes to Grant.
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OH.
IT'S NOT GRANT'S CAR.
Is anyone else is the car?
Is he driving the car?
Is he in the passenger seat?
Is the driver conscious after the accident?
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OH.
IT'S NOT GRANT'S CAR. No. FA.
Is anyone else is the car?
Is he driving the car?
Is he in the passenger seat?
Is the driver conscious after the accident?
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OH OKAY.
He's in a static vehicle.
Bus?
Plane?
Helicopter?
Motocycle?
Train?
Trolley?
Boat?
Is he the driver / conductor?
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OH OKAY.
He's in a static vehicle. Correct.
Bus?
Plane? This.
Helicopter?
Motocycle?
Train?
Trolley?
Boat?
Is he the driver / conductor? Yes, he's the pilot.
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So Grant is a pilot, whose plane just crashed into the ground [I'm assuming]. He is unconscious and sitting in it.
A car passes and because of this, someone else is notified that there has been an accident.

Is the notified person a policeman? ER? Someone who works with Grant?
Does the driver of the car call someone?
Does he see the accident? Does he directly tell someone that he saw the accident?
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So Grant is a pilot, whose plane just crashed into the ground [I'm assuming]. He is unconscious and sitting in it.
A car passes and because of this, someone else is notified that there has been an accident. Correct.

Is the notified person a policeman? ER? Someone who works with Grant? None of these.
Does the driver of the car call someone? No.
Does he see the accident? Assume no. Does he directly tell someone that he saw the accident? So no.
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What an incompetent driver.
Is he not close enough to the accident to see it?
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What an incompetent driver.
Is he not close enough to the accident to see it? Possibly.
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was the car an ambulence?
was it coming to help another crash and people saw grant in his plane?
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Was the car passing by enough to notify someone of an accident?
Or of Grant's situation?
Is Grant crashed onto a bridge?
Did a car signify that the road / bridge was open, so someone can send help?
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Is someone else watching the car and as it passes Grant they see him? (And subsequently get help?)

Is it relevant how the plane crashed? If so: Navigation error? Equipment failure? Did he get shot down?

Is it relevant when the whole situation occurred (i.e., what year/decade)? If so: 2000's? 90's? 80's? 70's? 60's? 50's? 40's? 30's? Earlier?
Is it relevant what time of day this takes place?If so: Morning? Afternoon? Evening? Night? Early Morning?
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was the car an ambulence? No.
was it coming to help another crash and people saw grant in his plane? No.

Was the car passing by enough to notify someone of an accident? Yes.
Or of Grant's situation? Yes.
Is Grant crashed onto a bridge? No.
Did a car signify that the road / bridge was open, so someone can send help? No.

Is someone else watching the car and as it passes Grant they see him? (And subsequently get help?) YES.

Is it relevant how the plane crashed? Yes. If so: Navigation error? This is closest. Equipment failure? Did he get shot down?

Is it relevant when the whole situation occurred (i.e., what year/decade)? If so: 2000's? 90's? 80's? 70's? 60's? This, though it's not particularly relevant. 50's? 40's? 30's? Earlier?
Is it relevant what time of day this takes place? If so: Morning? Afternoon? Evening? Night? Early Morning? Daytime.
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Did the car catch someone's eye and they saw Grant when looking in that direction?
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Did the car catch someone's eye Yope and they saw Grant when looking in that direction? This bit is correct, however.
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Was Grant attempting some sort of stunt?

The Observer watching the car = HAM/HAF?
One Observer? More than one?
Was the Observer watching from another car? Another aircraft? Another type of vehicle? On foot? With a satellte (or Palantír, or other long-range God-view device)? A telescope or binoculars?
Were they close to the scene of the crash? Far away? Were they following the car or just watching it?

Is the location of these events relevant?
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Was Grant attempting some sort of stunt? No.

The Observer watching the car = HAM/HAF? Human, not adult, male.
One Observer? This. More than one?
Was the Observer watching from another car? Another aircraft? Another type of vehicle? On foot? With a satellte (or Palantír, or other long-range God-view device)? A telescope or binoculars? None of these.
Were they close to the scene of the crash? Far away? Relatively far away, but within visual distance. Were they following the car or just watching it? Just watching.

Is the location of these events relevant? Yes.
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Location: Europe? North America? South America? Africa? Asia? Australia? Antarctica? Middle East? Other?
Location: City? Country? Desert? Temperate Zone? Jungle?

Is the Observer sitting down? Laying down? In a tree or other observation post?
Was the Observer expecting the car? Expecting a car, but not (necessarily) that one? Or was it a random encounter?

Is the manner in which the Observer contacted help relevant? If so: Phone? Text? IM? Email? Forum post? Video/picture messaging? Radio? Signal flare/mirrior? Smoke signal?
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Location: Europe? This. The country it's set in isn't hugely relevant, so I'll go ahead and tell you this happened in Northern Ireland. North America? South America? Africa? Asia? Australia? Antarctica? Middle East? Other?
Location: City? Country? This. Desert? Temperate Zone? Jungle?

Is the Observer sitting down? Laying down? Assume standing. In a tree or other observation post? Neither of these.
Was the Observer expecting the car? Expecting a car, but not (necessarily) that one? Or was it a random encounter? It was a random encounter, but they were looking out for (any) cars.

Is the manner in which the Observer contacted help relevant? If so: Phone? Text? IM? Email? Forum post? Video/picture messaging? Radio? Signal flare/mirrior? Smoke signal? He altered someone who was with him.
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Was he waiting for someone?
I.E:
He's waiting for his father to come home from work, and he sees a car pass by. He then says, "Mommy! Daddy's home!" She looks out the window and sees not her husband, but a plane crash.
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Was he waiting for someone? No. He was not looking out for someone specific.
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Did the young observer see the crashed plane or Grant? Or did he/she see something related to the moving car that alerted him/her? For example, a reflection of some sort?

Is the observer a boy scout/guide/equivalent? Is it relevant what the boy is doing near a country road looking out for cars? Is he part of a search party? Does he alert a friend? Relative? Teacher? Supervisor? Who then alerted the police/medics/fire department, who arrived and saved Grant's life?

Is the plane visible from the road? From the boy's viewpoint? Is it camouflaged or obscured somehow? If so, does the moving car somehow remove the camouflage? Call attention to it?

Does the boy recognize that a plane is present or that something is fishy:
- before the car passes?
- at the exact moment the car passes?
- after the car passes? If so, how long after, and is the length of time relevant?

Is the time of day relevant? The weather?
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Did the young observer see the crashed plane or Grant? Assume both. Or did he/she see something related to the moving car that alerted him/her? No. For example, a reflection of some sort?

Is the observer a boy scout/guide/equivalent? No. Is it relevant what the boy is doing near a country road looking out for cars? Yes. Is he part of a search party? No. Does he alert a friend? Relative? This. Teacher? Supervisor? Who then alerted the police/medics/fire department, who arrived and saved Grant's life? Yes.

Is the plane visible from the road? Irr. From the boy's viewpoint? Yes. Is it camouflaged or obscured somehow? Yope. If so, does the moving car somehow remove the camouflage? Call attention to it? This is closest.

Does the boy recognize that a plane is present or that something is fishy:
- before the car passes?
- at the exact moment the car passes? Either this...
- after the car passes? If so, how long after, and is the length of time relevant? ...or this, a few seconds later.

Is the time of day relevant? No. The weather? Eh, it might help you solve the reason he crashed.
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Clouds involved? Storms? Fog? Does the car somehow swirl fog around, thus revealing the plane which had been hidden? Was Grant qualified for Instrument-Only flight? Type of plane relevant?
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Clouds involved? Yes. Storms? Fog? This. Does the car somehow swirl fog around, thus revealing the plane which had been hidden? Nice idea. This is possible. Was Grant qualified for Instrument-Only flight? Yes. Type of plane relevant? Yes.
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Swirling fog is possible... but is not the answer? The boy spotted him some other way? Do the boy and his relative have any relevance other than that they spotted the wreck? Does the car have any relevance other than that it somehow revealed the wreck? Does the plane or Grant have any relevance other than that they were wrecked in that position at that time?

Had Grant crashed within the last few seconds? Minutes? Hours? Days? Relevant?

Was perhaps some secondary evidence of the wreck visible, but not the wreck itself? For example, a scar on the ground, wreck vegetation from the sliding aircraft, smoke from a fire?

Type of plane -- Civilian plane? Military? Open cockpit? Fixed landing gear? Wooden or metal construction? Jet? Prop plane? One engine or more? Monoplane? Biplane? Triplane? Color scheme relevant? Does this happen to be in the mountains? Were Grant's instruments wrong? Or was his sense of balance off? And he flew into the ground? Is any of this relevant to how the boy spotted him when the car went by his wreck?
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Swirling fog is possible... but is not the answer? It's not. The boy spotted him some other way? Yes. Simply, he saw the plane itself. Do the boy and his relative have any relevance other than that they spotted the wreck? No. It's relevant why the boy was looking for cars, though. Does the car have any relevance other than that it somehow revealed the wreck? No. Does the plane or Grant have any relevance other than that they were wrecked in that position at that time? Yope.

Had Grant crashed within the last few seconds? Minutes? Hours? Days? Relevant? Not really relevant. Assume he'd crashed half an hour earlier.

Was perhaps some secondary evidence of the wreck visible, but not the wreck itself? For example, a scar on the ground, wreck vegetation from the sliding aircraft, smoke from a fire? Assume no.

Type of plane -- Civilian plane? This. Military? Open cockpit? No. Fixed landing gear? No landing gear. Wooden or metal construction? Not metal or wooden. Jet? Prop plane? One engine or more? No engines. Monoplane? This. Biplane? Triplane? Color scheme relevant? No. Does this happen to be in the mountains? Yes! Were Grant's instruments wrong? No. Or was his sense of balance off? No. And he flew into the ground? Yes. Is any of this relevant to how the boy spotted him when the car went by his wreck? Yesish.
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Grant was flying a glider? Was there something about his aircraft that made it visible when some other aircraft would not have been? Was it contrasted somehow against the car? Did it resemble a car? Was it a flying car?

Not metal or wood... what else is there... paper? Plastic? Cloth? Was this a paraglider or hang glider? Can't be an ultralight if it's in the '60s.

Was the boy interested in cars? Was he looking for a specific kind of car? Was he in this location specifically so he could watch cars? Did he need a ride?

Time of year relevant? Was there snow on the ground? In the air? Was it raining? Hailing? Is mud relevant? Water? Time of day relevant? If so, morning, noon, afternoon, evening, darkness, twilight?
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Grant was flying a glider? Yes. Was there something about his aircraft that made it visible when some other aircraft would not have been? No. Was it contrasted somehow against the car? Yes. Did it resemble a car? No. Was it a flying car? These exist?

Not metal or wood... what else is there... paper? Plastic? Cloth? Was this a paraglider or hang glider? Can't be an ultralight if it's in the '60s. You're right, I made a mistake. It was wood.

Was the boy interested in cars? Yes! Was he looking for a specific kind of car? Irr. Was he in this location specifically so he could watch cars? Yope. Did he need a ride? No.

Time of year relevant? Was there snow on the ground? In the air? Was it raining? Hailing? Is mud relevant? Water? Time of day relevant? If so, morning, noon, afternoon, evening, darkness, twilight? None of this is relevant.

You've got pretty much everything figured out now, except how he crashed. Which you don't need to solve, I guess, but you might as well give it a go.
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I'm not sure what I've figured out.

Was the crash pilot error? Due to navigational error? Structural failure? Was the glider originally towed? If so, is the pilot who towed it relevant?

Recap: Grant is flying a wooden glider and crashes it into a mountain in the fog. Luckily, he crashes near a road, but the accident site is initially obscured by fog in the heights. A short time later, a car drives by. The driver doesn't spot him, but a nearby boy, interested in cars, is somehow alerted to his presence as the car passes. Do I have it right so far?
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Is the air temperature relevant? Was it perhaps cold enough to freeze the fog onto the glider's wings, causing a crash? Did accumulation of water on the wings cause the glider to crash without it freezing?

Is the boy inside his house? Watching the road for any cars that might pass?
Is the boy somehow related to Grant, or just a random stranger?

So, to sum up what we've solved so far: Grant crashes his glider in the fog in the countryside of Northern Ireland. A boy who is watching a car go past sees the crash and alerts a nearby relative, who calls for help. Correct?

BTW: The first flying car was built by Waldo Waterman in 1937!
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Was the crash pilot error? Yes. Due to navigational error? Yope. Structural failure? Was the glider originally towed? If so, is the pilot who towed it relevant? How it got airborne isn't relevant. Assume it was towed.

Recap: Grant is flying a wooden glider and crashes it into a mountain in the fog. Luckily, he crashes near a road, but the accident site is initially obscured by fog in the heights. A short time later, a car drives by. The driver doesn't spot him, but a nearby boy, interested in cars, is somehow alerted to his presence as the car passes. Do I have it right so far? All correct.

Is the air temperature relevant? No. Was it perhaps cold enough to freeze the fog onto the glider's wings, causing a crash? No. Did accumulation of water on the wings cause the glider to crash without it freezing? No.

Is the boy inside his house? Yes. Watching the road for any cars that might pass? Yes.
Is the boy somehow related to Grant, or just a random stranger? Random stranger.

So, to sum up what we've solved so far: Grant crashes his glider in the fog in the countryside of Northern Ireland. A boy who is watching a car go past sees the crash and alerts a nearby relative, who calls for help. Correct? Correct.
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Was Grant distracted by something? Did he fall asleep? Was the crash caused by him simply not being able to see where he was going? Did the fog obscure the ground, so he couldn't tell what his altitude was?

Was the glider fully equipped with sufficient operational navigational apparatuses?

Is the reason that the boy was looking for cars relevant beyond the fact that he likes cars? In other words, was he looking for cars for any reason other than the fact that boys his age like cars?
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Would the boy have looked out his window for any other reason, or did he only spot the crashed glider because a car happened to catch his eye?

Possible sequence. Correct?
a) kid sits, doing homework/watching tv.
b) car purrs past.
c) kid runs to window/looks up.
d) kid notices strange shattered pieces of wood across the road that weren't there the last time he looked out the window -- which he hadn't bothered to look out recently because, hey, there were no cars to goggle at.
e) kid calls out, "Da! There's a plane crashed across the road!"

Is it relevant why the kid didn't hear the crash? Perhaps the fog deadened the sound, or the plane was too light to make much impact?
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Did the boy know that it was a glider?
I.E.
After seeing a car pass by, he sees the glider and thinks, "Hmm, what a strange car. I'll ask my dad what the maker is."
He tells his father, who sees it, sees that there was an accident, and alerts paramedics.
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could the glider not be seen because of fog?
did the car somehow eliminate the fog?
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Was Grant distracted by something? No. Did he fall asleep? No. Was the crash caused by him simply not being able to see where he was going? Yope. Did the fog obscure the ground, so he couldn't tell what his altitude was? Yes.

Was the glider fully equipped with sufficient operational navigational apparatuses? Assume yes.

Is the reason that the boy was looking for cars relevant beyond the fact that he likes cars? In other words, was he looking for cars for any reason other than the fact that boys his age like cars? No. However, there is slightly more to it than just this.


Would the boy have looked out his window for any other reason, or did he only spot the crashed glider because a car happened to catch his eye? Only because a car went past.

Possible sequence. Correct?
a) kid sits, doing homework/watching tv.
b) car purrs past.
c) kid runs to window/looks up. Correct so far.
d) kid notices strange shattered pieces of wood across the road that weren't there the last time he looked out the window -- which he hadn't bothered to look out recently because, hey, there were no cars to goggle at. This is incorrect.
e) kid calls out, "Da! There's a plane crashed across the road!" He did call for his father to investigate what he saw, though.

Is it relevant why the kid didn't hear the crash? Yes. Perhaps the fog deadened the sound, or the plane was too light to make much impact? Partly this, partly something else.


Did the boy know that it was a glider? Assume yes.
I.E.
After seeing a car pass by, he sees the glider and thinks, "Hmm, what a strange car. I'll ask my dad what the maker is."
He tells his father, who sees it, sees that there was an accident, and alerts paramedics. Not this.


could the glider not be seen because of fog? Partly.
did the car somehow eliminate the fog? It may have, it may not have.
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Did Grant land on some type of foliage that would have served to deaden the sound (in addition to the fog)?
Did Grant crash because he hit a tree? That was obscured by the fog?
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Did Grant land on some type of foliage that would have served to deaden the sound (in addition to the fog)? No.
Did Grant crash because he hit a tree? That was obscured by the fog? No.
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Did the car have it's headlights turned on to help see in the fog?
If so, did the light from the car's headlights help illuminate the crashed glider?

Could the boy not hear the crash because of noises from inside the house? TV? Radio? People talking? Machinery being operated?
Noises outside the house?

Was the boy actively looking for cars? Or was he doing something else, and just happened to notice a car going past?
Was he at the window? Near the window? A little ways away from the window? In a different room?

Did Grant simply crash into the ground? Or into some geographical feature (cliff, hilltop, etc)? Or into some other object (building, telephone pole, etc) on the ground?
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Did the car crash? Did the car push or move aside some obstacle that blocked the boy's view of the crash site? Or did it simply draw his attention to the location?

Is the boy familiar with the crash site? Was anything visibly different about it from its normal configuration? Due to the crash? Would the change have been visible before the car went past? Was it caused by the car? Revealed by it?

If the kid's interest had been in animals, not cars, and a large animal had gone past at the same spot as the car, would the boy have spotted the wreck?

Did he spot the wreck, or simply secondary evidence of it?
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Did the car have it's headlights turned on to help see in the fog? It may have.
If so, did the light from the car's headlights help illuminate the crashed glider? No.

Could the boy not hear the crash because of noises from inside the house? TV? Radio? People talking? Machinery being operated?
Noises outside the house? All of these may have contributed, but aren't the main reason.

Was the boy actively looking for cars? Or was he doing something else, and just happened to notice a car going past? Assume he just happened to notice one.
Was he at the window? Near the window? A little ways away from the window? In a different room? Assume near a window.

Did Grant simply crash into the ground? Or into some geographical feature (cliff, hilltop, etc)? This. He crashed into a cliff. Or into some other object (building, telephone pole, etc) on the ground?


Did the car crash? No. Did the car push or move aside some obstacle that blocked the boy's view of the crash site? No. Or did it simply draw his attention to the location? This.

Is the boy familiar with the crash site? Presumably. Was anything visibly different about it from its normal configuration? Aside from there being a plane in it, no. Due to the crash? Would the change have been visible before the car went past? Was it caused by the car? Revealed by it? So no to these.

If the kid's interest had been in animals, not cars, and a large animal had gone past at the same spot as the car, would the boy have spotted the wreck? Yes.

Did he spot the wreck, or simply secondary evidence of it? The wreck.
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If he had looked in that direction when there was no car going by, would he have spotted the wreck?

Did the vehicle change the location or its appearance in any way?

If the answers are yes and no respectively, then I'm not sure what more we need to find out.
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If he had looked in that direction when there was no car going by, would he have spotted the wreck? Yes.

Did the vehicle change the location or its appearance in any way? No.

If the answers are yes and no respectively, then I'm not sure what more we need to find out. I mentioned this earlier: all you've left to figure out is how he crashed. The puzzle itself has been pretty much solved; I'm just waiting for someone to either figure out the crash or make a clear attempt at posting the solution before I officially $poil. :/
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Well, why he crashed isn't clearly part of the puzzle statement, unless the crash itself had something to do with the reason it was obscured.

To reiterate, my solution:

Grant crashes his glider in an isolated area when no one is looking, near a boy's house. The boy, interested in cars, sees one going by, which draws his attention to the glider. The boy alerts his father, and Grant is saved.

I can think of any number of reasons why no one would hear the crash. My guess is that since it was a glider, which operates silently, and was made of wood, a light material, it simply didn't make enough noise). Another possibility is that the sound of moving cars was loud enough to obscure the crash, and only a boy who was interested in cars would have paid attention long enough to have actually witnssed the crash. If the latter is the solution, however, then if the passing car weren't there, the crash would have been heard and the point would be moot.

The crash is in the mountains, and there are plenty of ways a crash could be concealed -- behind rocks, among tall trees, on the other side of a ridge.

I am, however, interested in the fact that the driver, who must have been closer, didn't notice the evidence of a crackup. Perhaps his eyes were on the road. Or the boy's house was well above the road, and he could see over some obstacle that would have blocked the driver's view.
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Spoiler
Grant crashes his glider in an isolated area when no one is looking, near a boy's house. The boy, interested in cars, sees one going by, which draws his attention to the glider. The boy alerts his father, and Grant is saved.


I won't post here again. Sorry for being a retarded twat.
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You are not a retarded twat. It was a good puzzle, it just didn't have a clear ending point. Don't give up on something you enjoy doing just because of one less-than-perfect experience!
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Absinthe, I apologize if my words hurt you. Writing can make a writer appear more annoyed than she really is. I would still like to know the rest of the story.
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I was going to ask if there was a storm going on which would have both caused the crash and obscured the noise of it.

Seems like all we're missing are the specifics of the crash and why it was that nobody heard it.

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