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Americans & maybe some others will know that President Obama has nominated Judge Sonia Sotomayor, to the Supreme Court. She comes from a poor Peurto Rican family, graduated from Princeton (top honors) & Yale Law School, & is rather liberal. But there's one thing that almost everyone says about her that is wrong, not because people are misinformed but because they are misinterpreting something. This is a bi-partisan puzzle. You don't have to be a (knee-jerk?) liberal & Sotomayor enthusiast like me to agree with the solution. How come?
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do we need to know anything about US politics or the Supreme Court to do this? (All I know is what I've seen on West Wing!)

are people mispronouncing her name?

does the wrong thing relate to her age? her appearance? her race? her family? her education? her hobbies? her previous employment? her title? her romatic relationships? her politics? her views? her previous rulings? her preferences?
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do we need to know anything about US politics or the Supreme Court to do this? no(All I know is what I've seen on West Wing!)

are people mispronouncing her name? no

does the wrong thing relate to her age? no her appearance? noher race? noish her family? noishher education? no her hobbies? no her previous employment? no her title? no her romatic relationships? no her politics? no her views? noher previous rulings? noher preferences? no
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Given that she shares a surname with the famous Cuban hih jumper Javier Sotomayor do people assume she's of cuban descent?
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or even high jumper
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So this is a scrund?

Do they assume she is of different descent than Puerto Rican? If she was Cuban, would the scrund apply? If she was Mexican? Does it have to do with her childhood? Her religion? Where she lives, or has lived? Does the scrund apply to not just her, but an entire group of which she is a part (to her family, for example)?
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Given that she shares a surname with the famous Cuban hih jumper Javier Sotomayor do people assume she's of cuban descent? no
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or even high jumper no
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So this is a scrund? yesish. I defined a scrund as a false belief that persists because the subject never comes up for correction. Scrunds, once exposed, are not controversial or a matter of viewpoint. The false belief in this puzzle is partly a matter of viewpoint (but not political viewpoint). Still, once I suggest that there's a misconception, people generally agree with me. So maybe it is a scrund.

Do they assume she is of different descent than Puerto Rican? no If she was Cuban, would the scrund apply?Yes, if everything else about her was unchanged If she was Mexican? ditto Does it have to do with her childhood? yes Her religion? no Where she lives no, or has lived yes? Does the scrund apply to not just her, but an entire group of which she is a part (to her family, for example)? It almost certainly applies to her brother, but I have no idea whether it applies to her parents. It applies to many other people as well.
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Does it relate to New York? The Bronx? Nuyoricans?
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Does it relate to New York? Np more than anywhere elseThe Bronx? Neither all nor only the people it relates to are from the Bronx, but it probably relates to a higher percentage of people from the Bronx than from most places Nuyoricans? The answer to the previous question also applies to Nuyorcians
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Is the misbeliefe stated in your opening statement? Ie her family may have been poor by American standards, but not by Puerto Rican ones? That she comes from another country because Puerto Rico is not a US state? That people think she is ineligible to be president of the US because of her place of birth, when in reality she is eligible, as anyone born in Puerto Rico after 1917 was born a US citizen? Do they mistakenly consider her an immigrant?
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Is the misbeliefe stated in your opening statement? noIe her family may have been poor by American standards, but not by Puerto Rican ones? irrelThat she comes from another country because Puerto Rico is not a US state? no That people think she is ineligible to be president of the US because of her place of birth, when in reality she is eligible, as anyone born in Puerto Rico after 1917 was born a US citizen? no Do they mistakenly consider her an immigrant? That's not it (although no doubt many people do make this mistake)
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Is the scrund that she is the first woman in the Supreme Court?
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Is the scrund that she is the first woman in the Supreme Court?No--virtually any American knows that there have already been two.
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Do they assume she wasn't born in New York? That she speaks a certain language? That English is not her first language?
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Do they assume she wasn't born in New York? no That she speaks a certain language? no That English is not her first language? no
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HINT: Think about the standard way people would describe the circumstances into which SS was born.
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Does the misconception have to do with using the wrong definition of a word? with confusing two definitions of a word? with confusing two different words?

"Hyphenated American" terms relevant? (e.g. "Hispanic-American") "Minority"? "Latino/a"? "Working class"?

Is it necessary to know where she lived as a child more specifically than "the Bronx"?
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Does the misconception have to do with using the wrong definition of a word?yope with confusing two definitions of a word? ditto with confusing two different words? no

"Hyphenated American" terms relevant?no (e.g. "Hispanic-American") "Minority"? "Latino/a"? "Working class"?no

Is it necessary to know where she lived as a child more specifically than "the Bronx"? no
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Do they think she came from "the ghetto"?
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Yope to "using the wrong definition of a word" - does it involve using the wrong definition of a phrase? confusing two definitions of a phrase?

Do people describe her childhood home as "inner city"? Whereas the Bronx is more "outer city"?
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Do they think she came from "the ghetto"? Probably, but in the American sense of 'ghetto,' she did; so that's not the scrund
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Yope to "using the wrong definition of a word" - does it involve using the wrong definition of a phrase? no confusing two definitions of a phrase? no. The yope is for 'definition,' not 'word.'

Do people describe her childhood home as "inner city"? irrel Whereas the Bronx is more "outer city"? irrel
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Do they think that she had an unhappy childhood? A difficult childhood? That she faced prejudice growing up? That she achieved so highly to escape her background? When in fact she was perfectly happy?
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Do they think that she had an unhappy childhood?[possibly A difficult childhood? yes That she faced prejudice growing up? probablyThat she achieved so highly to escape her background? irrelWhen in fact she was perfectly happy? irrelish
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Is it relevant that people may think of her as:

Being born poor?
Lower class?
One parent home?

Do they think she is? or was? something that she is/was not? Or that she overcame something that she didn't? Or that something applied to her person? family? when it didn't? Or that something didn't apply to her when it actually did?
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Is it relevant that people may think of her as:

Being born poor? yes
Lower class? yes
One parent home? yes

Do they think she is? see next answer or was? yes something that she is/was not? They have a scrund about what she "was." Or that she overcame something that she didn't? Or that something applied to her person? yes family? nowhen it didn't? Or that something didn't apply to her when it actually did? You could put it positively or negatively, but they have a scrund about her "start" in life.
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Do they think she received welfare? That her liberal ideas stem from her background?

Could this mistaken belief be put down to a kind of snobbery?
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Do they think she received welfare? irrelThat her liberal ideas stem from her background? no

Could this mistaken belief be put down to a kind of snobbery? possibly but not necessarily
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HINT: This puzzle is a bit unusual because all the information you need is in the puzzle statement. There are no facts you need to find out. Just think (laterally, of course)!!
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You've said that the misconception yopeishly involves using the wrong definition of a word - does that word appear in the puzzle statement? Is it "poor"?
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You've said that the misconception yopeishly involves using the wrong definition of a word - does that word appear in the puzzle statement? no Is it "poor"? No, but it is a word often applied to people who were raised in poverty
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Impoverished? Unfortunate? Disadvantaged? Humble? Modest? Needy?
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Impoverished? Unfortunate? Disadvantaged? Humble? Modest? Needy? I was actually thinking of 'underprivileged,' but 'disadvantaged' would work as well. So now the puzzle should be a SNAP to solve: Did SS really get off to an underprivileged or disadvantaged start in life??
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Is the idea that she had lots of non-financial privileges/advantages (a safe home, a loving family who cared about her education and development, etc.)? Or that being poor isn't actually a disadvantage?
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Is the idea that she had lots of non-financial privileges/advantages (a safe home, a loving family who cared about her education and development, etc.)? No, You're ORT, but keep min mind that I said all the facts you need are in the puzzle statement (which indicates nothing about her family) that being poor isn't actually a disadvantage? no--of course, being poor is a disadvantage
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So there is some information in the puzzle statement that is meant to suggest that her upbringing was not underprivileged? Is it the fact that she went to elite schools? That she graduated with honors (suggesting some degree of natural intelligence, maybe)?
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So there is some information in the puzzle statement that is meant to suggest that her upbringing was not underprivileged? Is it the fact that she went to elite schools? That she graduated with honors (suggesting some degree of natural intelligence, maybe)? yes

*********** SPOILER****************
People say that Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor was born "underprivileged" or "disadvantaged," but she was actually born overprivileged, having hit the jackpot in the "natural lottery," that is, the distribution of innate brainpower. She wasn't born with a silver spoon in her mouth; she was born with a silver brain in her head. I bet she'd do great on this forum! Please check out my new puzzle.

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