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Delphine is not especially interested in the Israel/Palestine conflict, but, because of her job, she wishes she were. Her job has nothing to do with politics, Israelis or Palestinians. How come?
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Is her job relevant? If so is it [insert LTPF Forum list of professions]? Is where Delphine lives relevant? If so, does she live in [Insert LTPF list of countries]?
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Does her job have to do with Jews or Muslims? With Israel or Palestine (the countries, not the peoples)? For example, does she deal with a product from that area? Is she a travel agent?

Does she live or work in one of those countries? Part of the time? Travel through them?

Are other people relevant? Customers? Coworkers?

Is where she lives relevant?

Does she work at a Jewish deli? Or at a similar business patronized by one ethnic group or the other? Do all her customers/coworkers discuss the subject?

Does she have a blue-collar, white-collar or pink-collar job?
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Is her job relevant? yesIf so is it [insert LTPF Forum list of professions]? She'a a professor, field irrel, but you should find out more about her school Is where Delphine lives relevant? yes If so, does she live in [Insert LTPF list of countries]? This puzzle will work for the USA. I doubt it would work elsewhere, but I'm not sure.
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Does her job have to do with Jews or Muslims? no more than with any other people With Israel or Palestine (the countries, not the peoples)? noFor example, does she deal with a product from that area? no Is she a travel agent? no

Does she live or work in one of those countries? noPart of the time? no Travel through them? irrel

Are other people relevant? yes Customers? Well, students. Are they customers??Coworkers? yes

Is where she lives relevant? yes. USA. See above.

Does she work at a Jewish deli? no,but what a nice idea. Jewish delis have terrific cakes & cookies (although I don't care for salami & corned beef.) Or at a similar business patronized by one ethnic group or the other? no Do all her customers/coworkers discuss the subject?some do, but not all

Does she have a blue-collar, white-collar or pink-collar job? technically white, since, as I said, she's a professor.But female professors rarely wear white collars.
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Does she teach at a private school? A public one? Is this relevant? Does she teach at a school in [Insert LTPF list of US states]? Is her school religiously affiliated? A school with mostly conservative students? Liberal students? Jewish students? Muslim students? Christain students?
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Does she teach at a private school? possiblyA public one? dittoIs this relevant? noDoes she teach at a school in [Insert LTPF list of US states]? See below. Any school with mostly liberal students is OKIs her school religiously affiliated? no A school with mostly conservative students? noLiberal students? yesJewish students? Not necessarily mostly Jewish, but it has a lot of Jewish students & not just because most liberal colleges & univs. in the USA do}
Muslim students? I don't know of any college or univ. in the USA that has mostly Muslim students Christain students? It could but needn't have a lot of Christian students
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Does it happen to be in an area of the country with a high proportion of Jews? New York City is the most obvious, but there's also Miami and a few other areas.

Is the subject she teaches relevant? Are her own students relevant (as opposed to the ones who do not take her classes)? Is the religious affiliation of her students more important than their political affiliation? Does the professor share their political or religious viewpoint?
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so she wishes she were more interested in the Israel/Palestine conflict..
if she had been would any of these be relevant: knowing more about the history of the situation there? having an insight into 'very difficult to resolve' problems? having a better understanding of the people in those areas? having a better understanding of people in conflict? having a better understanding of how conflicts might be resolved? being more patient with an unresolvable problem?

is she wishing for a better undestanding? for more knowledge of facts? for more knowledge of history?

if she were more interested would she have gained a benefit? not lost a benefit? gained emotionally? gained financially?

is it necessary for the puzzle that the Israel/palestine conflict is mentioned? could it work as well with another political conflict? if so, would it have to be an unresolved one? a longstanding one?

are any of these relevant: her race? her politics? her nationality? her hobbies? her job? her physical appearance? her romantic relationships? her family? her pets? the clothes she wears? the food she eats?
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Does it happen to be in an area of the country with a high proportion of Jews? that would help but is not necessaryNew York City is the most obvious, but there's also Miami and a few other areas.

Is the subject she teaches relevant? noAre her own students relevant (as opposed to the ones who do not take her classes)? noIs the religious affiliation of her students more important than their political affiliation? noDoes the professor share their political or religious viewpoint? irrel
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so she wishes she were more interested in the Israel/Palestine conflict..
if she had been would any of these be relevant: knowing more about the history of the situation there? no having an insight into 'very difficult to resolve' problems? no having a better understanding of the people in those areas? no having a better understanding of people in conflict? no having a better understanding of how conflicts might be resolved? nobeing more patient with an unresolvable problem? no

is she wishing for a better undestanding? no for more knowledge of facts? nofor more knowledge of history? no

if she were more interested would she have gained a benefit? yes not lost a benefit? no gained emotionally? yesgained financially? no

is it necessary for the puzzle that the Israel/palestine conflict is mentioned? yescould it work as well with another political conflict? I can't think of another conflict that would work if so, would it have to be an unresolved one? irrel a longstanding one? irrel

are any of these relevant: her race? no her politics? noish her nationality? noher hobbies? no her job? yes, the puzzle statement says she has this wish because of her job, which we've established is being a professor at an American college or univ. with a liberal student body & a lot of Jewish students; her physical appearance? noher romantic relationships? noher family? no her pets? nothe clothes she wears? nothe food she eats? no
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Is Delphine an ardent supporter of Israel? Palestine? Is she Jewish? Moslem? Christain? Hindu? Some other religion? Is she even religious at all? Is this even relevant? Would this puzzle work if Israel was the homeland of the Hindus instead of the Jews but the rest of the conflict was identical?
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Oh and more questions that I forgot:
Would this puzzle work if Delphine taught at Brandeis College (which is in Massachussets and is mostly Jewish)?
If she taught at Bringham Young University (which is in Utah and mostly Mormon)?
[i] I'll have more questions in an hour. I have dinner now [/i]
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Does Nim... err... Delphine teach a Philosophy class and wind up in a discussion with one of her students? Did a comparison between the Israel/Palestine conflict come up in said discussion? Does food, architecture, or geography play a factor in this puzzle? News coverage relevant? Nationality of the students relevant?
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Is Delphine an ardent supporter of Israel? No, since the puzzle statement says she's not especially interested in the I/P conflictPalestine? dittoIs she Jewish?irrel Moslem? ditto Christain? ditto Hindu? dittoSome other religion? dittoIs she even religious at all? ditto Is this even relevant? noWould this puzzle work if Israel was the homeland of the Hindus instead of the Jews but the rest of the conflict was identical?I'm not sure, but I doubt it
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Oh and more questions that I forgot:
Would this puzzle work if Delphine taught at Brandeis College (which is in Massachussets and is mostly Jewish)? I think so
If she taught at Bringham Young University (which is in Utah and mostly Mormon)? No. We've already established that the student body is predominently liberal, which it isn't at BYU
[i] I'll have more questions in an hour. I have dinner now [/i] I'm looking forward to the questions & also to a DETAILED description of your dessert(s?)
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Does Nim... err... Yes, of course you're right that I'm DelphineDelphine teach a Philosophy class and wind up in a discussion with one of her students? I wind up in discussion with my students all the time, but rarely if ever about the I/P cobflict. I have little to say about that subject Did a comparison between the Israel/Palestine conflict come up in said discussion? noDoes food, architecture, or geography play a factor in this puzzle? noNews coverage relevant? noish Nationality of the students relevant? Im not sure if this puzzle would work outside the USA
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Ok, here are my questions, but I just had lasagna, no desserts.

By "interested in" do you mean Delphine wishes she:
cared about the conflict?
Was involved in the conflict?
Was an activist in the conflict?
if so, does she wish she was an activist for the Palestinian side? The Israeli side?
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Ok, here are my questions, but I just had lasagna, no desserts.I believe in the bumper sticker, "Life is uncertain. Eat dessert first."

By "interested in" do you mean Delphine wishes she:
cared about the conflict?yesish or yope
Was involved in the conflict? no
Was an activist in the conflict? no
if so, does she wish she was an activist for the Palestinian side? The Israeli side?
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Is Delphine's own nationality relevant?
Does she wish that she cared about the conflict because this would result in her knowing more about it? Because caring would give her something in common with some of her students?
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Is Delphine's own nationality relevant?No, although she teaches at a school in the USA, as we've estasblished
Does she wish that she cared about the conflict because this would result in her knowing more about it? noBecause caring would give her something in common with some of her students/ no
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School newspaper relevant? Another article? Local charity relevant? Setting an example for her students relevant? Anything to do with the generalization that Americans don't care about the Middle East, let alone know where places like Baghdad are on a map?
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School newspaper relevant? yope Another article? noLocal charity relevant? noSetting an example for her students relevant? no Anything to do with the generalization that Americans don't care about the Middle East, let alone know where places like Baghdad are on a map? no
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Real newspaper relevant? A journal perhaps? Was Delphine asked to write an article on the subject? And she couldn't because of her limited of knowledge? Was there some sort of job opportunity that she missed out on because of her ignorance? Was there some sort of personal opportunity she missed out on? Travel opportunity? Anything related to writing? television? radio?
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Real newspaper relevant?possibly A journal perhaps? no Was Delphine asked to write an article on the subject? no And she couldn't because of her limited of knowledge? noWas there some sort of job opportunity that she missed out on because of her ignorance? no Was there some sort of personal opportunity she missed out on? yesishTravel opportunity? noAnything related to writing? notelevision? noradio? no
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Did the university where she worked have a trivia contest for its employees? And the winning question was about the conflict? And since Delphine didn't know it, she lost? Or am I not even close?
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Did the university where she worked have a trivia contest for its employees? irrelAnd the winning question was about the conflict? no And since Delphine didn't know it, she lost? no Or am I not even close? You're not. The puzzle statement says that Delphine wishes she were INTERESTED in the I/P conflict, not that she wishes she were knowledgeabee about it. After all, if she wished she were knowledgeable about it, she could learn more about it.
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Would being interested in the conflict have rewarded Delphine in some way? Would developing an interest in the conflict still reward Delphine in some way (same way)?
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Would being interested in the conflict have rewarded Delphine in some way? yes Would developing an interest in the conflict still reward Delphine in some way (same way)? yes
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does she find herself in a situation where all she has to read is something about the conflict? and if she were interested in the conflict she would not be bored?
is invigilating relevant?
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does she find herself in a situation where all she has to read is something about the conflict? no and if she were interested in the conflict she would not be bored? no
is invigilating relevant? Is invigilating what Americans call proctoring, i.e. administering examinations & trying to make sure that no one cheats? If so, invigilating is not relevant
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RECAP: Add this following to the puzzle statement. Delphine (i,e, Felicia Nimue) teaches at a university whose students & faculty are largely liberal & that also has a lot of Jews. By 'interested,' I mean exactly that, i,e, finds it interesting.
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Does she miss out on a lot of social activities because of her disinterest? For example, are there a lot of clubs that sit around and discuss the conflict?
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Does she miss out on a lot of social activities because of her disinterest?noish, but you're very ORT For example, are there a lot of clubs that sit around and discuss the conflict? no
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Does she fail to get invited to her boss's or a coworker's house for dinner? Does she get invited, but then she's bored to tears because they like to discuss the conflict so much?
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Does she fail to get invited to her boss's or a coworker's house for dinner? No. I'm Delphine & I LOATHE academic socializing & would be happy to miss out on such invitations Does she get invited, but then she's bored to tears because they like to discuss the conflict so much? no
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do you somehow get to miss eating cake because of this lack of interest?

would being interested open up another opportunity you'd value? or does being uninterested close off an opportunity?

is being interested linked in some way with another activity you would like to be part of? or another type of discussion you'd like to be part of?
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do you somehow get to miss eating cake because of this lack of interest? Although this question shows an impressive understanding of the person you are dealing with, the answer is no

would being interested open up another opportunity you'd value? yes or does being uninterested close off an opportunity? yes

is being interested linked in some way with another activity you would like to be part of? yesish or another type of discussion you'd like to be part of? yes
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is the case that you just enjoy having lively discussions and debates with other intelligent people but you find that the people at the college where you work spend a lot of time having these kind of discussions about the middle east situation? rather than anything else? and if you were more interested in it you would have more opportunities to engage in lively discussion/argument/debate with them?
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is the case that you just enjoy having lively discussions and debates with other intelligent people yesbut you find that the people at the college where you work spend a lot of time having these kind of discussions about the middle east situation? yope rather than anything else? yope and if you were more interested in it you would have more opportunities to engage in lively discussion/argument/debate with them? Yes. You're very ORT, but the point isn't that the discussions here abuot the Middle East are more frequent or more intense, but. . .
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Do people deliberately avoid the subject? Significant?
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Do people deliberately avoid the subject? no Significant? It's significant that they don't
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Do people deliberately bring up the subject when you're around?
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Do people deliberately bring up the subject when you're around? no
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the relevant discussions:
are they held during classes? as part of the set work? or is the topic requested by students as a subject for debate? and you're bored with always having the same subject for the debate?
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the relevant discussions:
are they held during classes? no as part of the set work? no or is the topic requested by students as a subject for debate? noish but you're ORT and you're bored with always having the same subject for the debate? no
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Do students frequently write essays about the topic? Write research papers? Give speeches? Give oral presentations?
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Do students frequently write essays about the topic?yes Write research papers?irrelGive speeches? yes Give oral presentations?How are "oral presentations" different from speeches? Do you mean oral presentations in a classroom? If so, it's irrel
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I think of oral presentations as a broader category than speeches. Could include an oral book report, a PowerPoint presentation, etc. But anyway, it's irrelevant.

Did she get tired of grading the essays and sitting through the speeches? Did her students frequently come to her with questions about the topic?
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I think of oral presentations as a broader category than speeches. Could include an oral book report, a PowerPoint presentation, etc. But anyway, it's irrelevant. Thanks--I think you're right

Did she get tired of grading the essays and sitting through the speeches? no Did her students frequently come to her with questions about the topic? no
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or is the topic requested by students as a subject for debate? noish but you're ORT

Is the subject requested by the dean or the students as a topic for a class? And nobody on the staff is willing to teach such a class? Is the dean offering a lucrative time slot, monetary bonus, better parking or similar for the teacher willing to take on the curriculum?
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or is the topic requested by students as a subject for debate? noish but you're ORT

Is the subject requested by the dean or the students as a topic for a class? irrel And nobody on the staff is willing to teach such a class? no Is the dean offering a lucrative time slot, monetary bonus, better parking or similar for the teacher willing to take on the curriculum? no
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I'm hungry so I can't help feeling like somehow food is involved - is it?

I've seen 3 ORT comments all revolving around social activities & discussions... are there Jewish Awareness/Muslim awareness clubs out there that have awesome banquets and balls, but you'd have to sit through their political tirades in order to get to the good stuff? I remember having a blast at the Indian Club (India the Country) dance - great food too.

About the school... is the important quality of it that there are so many Jewish students? Or perhaps that there are so few Muslim students?
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I'm hungry so I can't help feeling like somehow food is involved - is it? No (believe it or not!

I've seen 3 ORT comments all revolving around social activities & discussions... are there Jewish Awareness/Muslim awareness clubs out there that have awesome banquets and balls, but you'd have to sit through their political tirades in order to get to the good stuff? no I remember having a blast at the Indian Club (India the Country) dance - great food too.

About the school... is the important quality of it that there are so many Jewish students? That's ONE important quality, another, already established, is that students are overwhelmingly liberalOr perhaps that there are so few Muslim students?no
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Is the reason for which assignments are relevant [essays and speeches are relevant but research papers and oral presentations are not] that essays and speeches are arenas for voicing an opinion, whereas research papers are not?

Are these essays and speeches done for class assignments? Or elsewhere on campus (such as on the quad or in the school newspaper)?
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Is the reason for which assignments are relevant [essays and speeches are relevant but research papers and oral presentations are not] that essays and speeches are arenas for voicing an opinion, whereas research papers are not? false assumption.Assignments are irrel. See next 2 answers}

Are these essays and speeches done for class assignments? noOr elsewhere on campus (such as on the quad or in the school newspaper)? yes
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Do you avoid certain parts of campus because of speeches on the topic?
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Do students on the campus hold a large number of protest rallies? Fundraisers? Similar? Relevant?
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Do you avoid certain parts of campus because of speeches on the topic? no
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Do students on the campus hold a large number of protest rallies? no but it might be relevsant if they did Fundraisers? no Similar? yesish or yopeRelevant? yes
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Does Delphine's disinterest lead her to avoid something? If so, avoid going to a certain type of event or social gathering? Avoid going to a certain place? Avoid doing something she would otherwise do?

Or does her disinterest lead her to do something she wouldn't otherwise do? Lead her to go somewhere she wouldn't otherwise go?

Or does it have no affect on her behavior? But affects her psychologically/emotionally?
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Does Delphine's disinterest lead her to avoid something?itrrel If so, avoid going to a certain type of event or social gathering? Avoid going to a certain place? Avoid doing something she would otherwise do?

Or does her disinterest lead her to do something she wouldn't otherwise do? irrel Lead her to go somewhere she wouldn't otherwise go?

Or does it have no affect on her behavior? irrelBut affects her psychologically/emotionally? yes
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Does it cause her to feel left out? Feel disconnected with her students? Feel disconnected with her colleagues?
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"She wishes she were more interested in the Israel/Palestine conflict" - because she would then have more information useful for the current situation she's in?
Is it *The* Israel/Palestine conflict we're talking about, in the country of Israel?
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Does it cause her to feel left out? irrelFeel disconnected with her students? dittoFeel disconnected with her colleagues? ditto
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"She wishes she were more interested in the Israel/Palestine conflict" - because she would then have more information useful for the current situation she's in? no
Is it *The* Israel/Palestine conflict we're talking about, in the country of Israel? Please clarify this question
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HINT: The most important information uncovered so far is as follows: Delphine teaches at a university whose student body is overwhelmingly liberal & about 25% Jewish.(In fact, I'm Delphine so Delphine teaches at Brown.)
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RECAP: Add the information in the above HINT to the puzzle statement.
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I believe what tommyp was asking is whether the Israel/Palestinian conflict in this puzzle is the one in Israel where Israeli government and Hamas are fighting.
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I believe what tommyp was asking is whether the Israel/Palestinian conflict in this puzzle is the one in Israel where Israeli government and Hamas are fighting. It's the general I/P conflict that has existed since the state of Israel was founded & that intensified in 1967(?) when Israel captured the what became the Occupied Territories.
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Would the puzzle work equally well if your student body had a large concentration of Palestinian students? (instead of a lot of Jewish students)
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Would the puzzle work equally well if your student body had a large concentration of Palestinian students? (instead of a lot of Jewish students) no
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Yes, it would be 1967, during the Six-Day War.

Here are my questions, in any case:
Would this puzzle have worked immediately after the founding of the State of Israel in 1948 assuming all other details were the same? Or is it not even possible for all other details to be the same were it 1948?
Same questions for 1966 right before the Six Day War? During it? Immediately after it? In 1975? In 1985? 1990? 2000? 2001 before September 11th? 2001 after 9/11? Is 9/11 relevant? Back to same questions as above for 2005? This January before Obama took office? Is Obama at all relevant? Is his Muslim heritage relevant? Relevant that some people think he's a Muslim? His Israeli views relevant? People's perceptions of his Israeli views relevant? Any other specific characteristic of Obama relevant? Would this puzzle still have worked just as well if Hillary had been elected president last year? If John Edwards had? If some other Democrat had? If "yes" to some other Democrat, would any of the candidates in the primaries not already mentioned work? Would it work if McCain had won? If [Insert list of Republican Candidates in the Primaries] had? Could it work if a Republican had been elected President at all (regardless of which Republican that was?)
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Yes, it would be 1967, during the Six-Day War.

Here are my questions, in any case:
Would this puzzle have worked immediately after the founding of the State of Israel in 1948 assuming all other details were the same? The background conditions at universities were so different that the puzzle would not have worked then Or is it not even possible for all other details to be the same were it 1948? See previous answer
Same questions for 1966 right before the Six Day War?no During it? no Immediately after it? noIn 1975? probably In 1985? yes1990? yes 2000? yes 2001 before September 11th? yes 2001 after 9/11? It might have worked a bit ;less well right after 9/11, but then again, it might have still worked Is 9/11 relevant? see [previous answer Back to same questions as above for 2005? would wqork the same in 2005 as now This January before Obama took office? would work thenIs Obama at all relevant? no Is his Muslim heritage relevant? no Relevant that some people think he's a Muslim? noHis Israeli views relevant? no People's perceptions of his Israeli views relevant? no Any other specific characteristic of Obama relevant? yes Would this puzzle still have worked just as well if Hillary had been elected president last year? yes If John Edwards had? yesIf some other Democrat had? yes If "yes" to some other Democrat, would any of the candidates in the primaries not already mentioned work? yes Would it work if McCain had won? yesIf [Insert list of Republican Candidates in the Primaries] had? Could it work if a Republican had been elected President at all (regardless of which Republican that was?) yes
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I'm intrigued by the statement that it might have worked less well after 9/11 (or maybe not). Is this because Muslims are/were involved in both 9/11 and the Israel/Palestine conflict?

Presumably the students who are speaking out and writing essays about the conflict are mostly (or entirely) pro-Israel. Is this a correct assumption?

Do you wish that you cared more so that you could challenge these students? So that you could stand up for the Palestinians? So that you could present the second side to the issue? Do you get tired of hearing the same arguments over and over?

Is the fact that the US is historically pro-Israel in the conflict relevant?
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I'm intrigued by the statement that it might have worked less well after 9/11 (or maybe not). Is this because Muslims are/were involved in both 9/11 and the Israel/Palestine conflict? no

Presumably the students who are speaking out and writing essays about the conflict are mostly (or entirely) pro-Israel. Is this a correct assumption? no--& this is relevsnt

Do you wish that you cared more so that you could challenge these students? n/a So that you could stand up for the Palestinians? n/aSo that you could present the second side to the issue? n/a Do you get tired of hearing the same arguments over and over?yope

Is the fact that the US is historically pro-Israel in the conflict relevant? no
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Are they approximately equally balanced between the two sides? Are they more likely to be pro-Palestine?

are the students who are pro-Palestine usually from the non-Jewish portion of your student body?
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Are they approximately equally balanced between the two sides? yes & that's VERY relevant Are they more likely to be pro-Palestine? see previous answer


are the students who are pro-Palestine usually from the non-Jewish portion of your student body? irrel
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We're still on this one?

Is she frequently asked to take a side on the issue in order to provide a quick resolution to a discussion at an impass? (i.e. Honey should I wear the red tie or the blue tie? Blue.) Is she often the tie breaking vote for something related?
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We're still on this one?I[m afraid so!

Is she frequently asked to take a side on the issue in order to provide a quick resolution to a discussion at an impass? no(i.e. Honey should I wear the red tie or the blue tie? Blue.) Is she often the tie breaking vote for something related? no
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HINT: Delphine enjoys political debate.
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Would you say that the two sides being equal is good for getting a lively and interesting debate? or generates more quarrel than debate?

Is the fact that the student body is divided between pro-Israel and pro-Palestine making most political discussions ending up in a Israel/Palestine discussion? even if Delphine wanted the discussion to be about something else? so if Delphine new more about that conflict should could be more "in" the debate?
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is this basically that this is the only thing being debated? so if you're not interested in this you don't get to debate at all much?
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Would you say that the two sides being equal is good for getting a lively and interesting debate? yes or generates more quarrel than debate? no

Is the fact that the student body is divided between pro-Israel and pro-Palestine making most political discussions ending up in a Israel/Palestine discussion? noeven if Delphine wanted the discussion to be about something else? noso if Delphine new more about that conflict should could be more "in" the debate? no
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is this basically that this is the only thing being debated? yes so if you're not interested in this you don't get to debate at all much? yesish. I'm also not much of an environmentalist, except where human health & welfare are at issue, so I sometimes get to argue about whether we really need the polar bears. But the Middle East is just about the only issue where there are plenty of people on both sides here.

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Like many U.S. universities, especially research universities, Brown talks a lot about "diversity," but has little political diversity. Virtually everyone is liberal. So am I, but I like real political debates. The Middle East is just about the only issue here where both sides are actively represented--it's too bad I'm not very interested in that topic. But it's great that this puzzle has FINALLY BEEN SOLVED!! Please check out my new one.

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