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When I said to Fred, "You look very young for your age," I was making a political point that had nothing to do with age or ageism. What was it?
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When you said to Fred, "You look very young for your age," did you mean that Fred looks very young for his age? Or were you quoting something/someone? Was your point about language?
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anything to do with the amount of time he has been a politician? is he a politician? is this a specific person that we need to figure out to solve?
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Is his actual age relevant? Is he <10? 11-20? 21-30? 31-40? 41-50? 51-60? 61-70? 71-80? 81-90? 90+? (this was because I didn't know if 'LTPF list of ages' would be cheating :P)

Did you actually think that Fred looked young for his age? Had you just discovered how old he really was and were surprised?
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Does Fred have ideologies that some would call "old fashioned"?
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Did you make your remark to Fred in direct response to something he said to you? about you? about himself? Was what you said intended to demonstrate that what he said was wrong or ridiculous?
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When you said to Fred, "You look very young for your age," did you mean that Fred looks very young for his age? yes Or were you quoting something/someone? no Was your point about language no
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anything to do with the amount of time he has been a politician? nois he a politician? nois this a specific person that we need to figure out to solve? no
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Is his actual age relevant? yes Is he <10? 11-20? 21-30? 31-40? 41-50? 51-60? 61-70? 71-80? 81-90? 90+? (this was because I didn't know if 'LTPF list of ages' would be cheating :P)The acrtual person was about 25, but the puzzle will work if he's anywhere between (approximately) 18 & 67)

Did you actually think that Fred looked young for his age? no Had you just discovered how old he really was and were surprised? no

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Does Fred have ideologies that some would call "old fashioned"? No. I'm so prissy about ageism that I would never make that remark for this reason
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Did you make your remark to Fred in direct response to something he said to you? yes about you? no about himself? yes Was what you said intended to demonstrate that what he said was wrong or ridiculous? yes
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Did he say something that seemed to imply that he had personal experience with something before his time?
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The thing Fred said to which you responded: Did he mention or allude to his age? his appearance? Did he make a similar construction to "you look young for your age," e.g., "I'm big for my size"?
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Did he say something that seemed to imply that he had personal experience with something before his time? yope or maybe noish. You're ORT
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The thing Fred said to which you responded: Did he mention or allude to his age? nohis appearance? noDid he make a similar construction to "you look young for your age," e.g., "I'm big for my size"? no
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Did he say something that seemed to imply that he was older than he actually is? that he was around for an event that took place before he was born? or before he would have been old enough to take part in it?

Did you mean that he looks young for his actual age, 25? Or did you mean that he looks young for some other age?

Are any photographs or other pictures relevant?
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Did he say something that seemed to imply that he was older than he actually is? yope or noishthat he was around for an event that took place before he was born? yope or noish or before he would have been old enough to take part in it? yope or noish

Did you mean that he looks young for his actual age, 25?no Or did you mean that he looks young for some other age? yes

Are any photographs or other pictures relevant? NO
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So we have a yope to him saying something that suggested that he was around for an event that took place before he was born.

Did he say something that implied he had knowledge of any type that it would be unusual for a person of age 25 to have? impossible for such a person to have?

Idea: He made a statement involving how life was in "the good old days", while you realized what he was saying was incorrect. So you sarcastically implied that he must have been old enough to live back then because that was the only way he could have "known" the information. Am I ORT?
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So we have a yope to him saying something that suggested that he was around for an event that took place before he was born. yesish

Did he say something that implied he had knowledge of any type that it would be unusual for a person of age 25 to have? noimpossible for such a person to have? No. I can't even imagine what such knowledge could be, since you can get second-hand knowledge of what you haven't experienced

Idea: He made a statement involving how life was in "the good old days", while you realized what he was saying was incorrect. So you sarcastically implied that he must have been old enough to live back then because that was the only way he could have "known" the information. Am I ORT? no
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did he make a statement along the lines of 'when I was young..'? or 'in my day...'? or, 'in years gone by...'?implying a distance in time from others when actually there wasn't really much of a distance? did he say something that seemed patronising of young people?

did he say something that would normally be something a much older person would say?

did he insult someone? you?

was he being ageist? racist? sexist? illiberal?
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did he make a statement along the lines of 'when I was young..'? no or 'in my day...'? or, 'in years gone by...'? noimplying a distance in time from others when actually there wasn't really much of a distance? nodid he say something that seemed patronising of young people? no

did he say something that would normally be something a much older person would say? noish

did he insult someone? no you? no

was he being ageist? no racist? no sexist? no illiberal? no
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Is there a particular relevant event that took place before Fred was born? If so, did it take place in the 20th century? earlier?

Did Fred's statement mention any specific people (other than himself)?
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Is there a particular relevant event that took place before Fred was born? yes If so, did it take place in the 20th century? yes earlier? no

Did Fred's statement mention any specific people (other than himself)? no or maybe noish
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If the puzzle would work for somebody up to about 67 years old, does that mean that the relevant even took place in approximately 1942? If not, in which decade did it take place (00's? 10's? 20's? 30's? 40's? 50's? 60's? 70's? 80's?) Is it related to World War II?

Did he refer to a group of people involved in the event as "we"?
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If the puzzle would work for somebody up to about 67 years old, does that mean that the relevant even took place in approximately 1942? see below If not, in which decade did it take place (00's? 10's? 20's? 30's? 40's? 50's? 60's? 70's? 80's?) It ended in 1945 & began in the 1930's. I'm not sure if it has anything that really counts as a precise beginning, but maybe 1939 Is it related to World War II? yes

Did he refer to a group of people involved in the event as "we"? no
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Did Fred mention World War II? Was your political point related to World War II?

Did this exchange with Fred take place recently? Were you and he talking about the roles that FDR's policies and World War II had in ending the Great Depression (and by extension, whether Obama's stimulus spending will be useful in ending the current recession)?
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Did Fred mention World War II? noish or yope Was your political point related to World War II?yes or yesish

Did this exchange with Fred take place recently? yes Were you and he talking about the roles that FDR's policies and World War II had in ending the Great Depression (and by extension, whether Obama's stimulus spending will be useful in ending the current recession)? no, that's OWT (on the wrong track)
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Is it relevant that the exchange took place recently? Could it have taken place five years ago? or 10? or 20? Or does it tie into recent events somehow?

Are nuclear weapons relevant?
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Is it relevant that the exchange took place recently?see next answers Could it have taken place five years ago? yes or 10? yes or 20? yes, but then he'd have to be between 18 & about 47, rather than between 18 & about 67 Or does it tie into recent events somehow? no

Are nuclear weapons relevant?no
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is the holocaust relevant? nazism? rationing?
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is the holocaust relevant yes. I was wondering when someone would get around to asking that! nazism? dittorationing? no
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Did he pull a reductio ad hitlerum?
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Did he pull a reductio ad hitlerum? I never heard that phrase before, by the way. I love it!
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Did he claim that he was alive during the time of the holocaust? did what he said indirectly imply that he was? did he claim that his parents/grandparents/other relatives suffered during the holocaust? which was very unlikely given his young age?
did he claim to be a victim of the holocaust in order to affirm that he was not a Nazi?
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Did he claim that he was alive during the time of the holocaust? no did what he said indirectly imply that he was? no or maybe noish did he claim that his parents/grandparents/other relatives suffered during the holocaust? no which was very unlikely given his young age? no
did he claim to be a victim of the holocaust in order to affirm that he was not a Nazi? no
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Did he say something anti-Semitic? And your remark was to the effect of, "You must be the last living Nazi. How do you look so young"?
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Did he say something anti-Semitic? noAnd your remark was to the effect of, "You must be the last living Nazi. How do you look so young"? no
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Did he mention the holocaust? Nazism? antisemitism? the Jewish people? Was he talking about some other event, that he had in fact been alive for? And then you pointed out that his description more aptly described the holocaust?
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Did he mention the holocaust? yes Nazism? Only by mentioning the holocaust antisemitism? dittothe Jewish people? ditto Was he talking about some other event, that he had in fact been alive for? no And then you pointed out that his description more aptly described the holocaust? no
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When he mentioned the Holocaust, was he speaking about it academically? Was he being serious? Joking? Emotional/tearful? Nonchalant? Angry? Sarcastic? Ignorant? Something else?

When you made your "young" remark, were you being any of those things? Something else?

Does it matter?

Are plays-on-words relevant (either on your part or his)?
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When he mentioned the Holocaust, was he speaking about it academically? no Was he being serious? yes Joking? noEmotional/tearful? possibly, esp. emotional Nonchalant? nooAngry? no Sarcastic? noIgnorant? noSomething else? no

When you made your "young" remark, were you being any of those things?sarcastic Something else? no

Does it matter? yes

Are plays-on-words relevant (either on your part or his)? no
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was he saying something that somehow gave the impression that he was a victim of the holocaust? was he Jewish? relevant?
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was he saying something that somehow gave the impression that he was a victim of the holocaust? no was he Jewish? norelevant? yes
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Was he saying something that gave the impression that he thought the holocaust was not all that bad? that it didn't really happen? that it was less severe than the history books describe it? that it differed in some other way from how the history books describe it?
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Was he saying something that gave the impression that he thought the holocaust was not all that bad? no that it didn't really happen? nothat it was less severe than the history books describe it? no that it differed in some other way from how the history books describe it? no
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Was he claiming to know why the holocaust happened? how it could have been prevented? or partially prevented? Was he claiming that the holocaust caused some other event? or prevented some other event? or altered some other event?
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Was he claiming to know why the holocaust happened?no how it could have been prevented? no or partially prevented? no Was he claiming that the holocaust caused some other event? noor prevented some other event? noor altered some other event? no
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In a previous post, it is revealed that Fred's statement was also about himself - is this just in the sense that he was giving his views, or his opinion? Or was he talking about something that he had done? that he planned to do? that he would like to do? that he would do under certain circumstances? Was he talking about something that was done to him? that happened to him? that affected him?

Could you also have made your point (although perhaps not as sarcastically) by saying "But the holocaust happened before you were born"?
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Did he just mention the holocaust in general? Or some more specific aspect of it? If more specific, was it:
gas chambers?
yellow stars?
train cars full of people?
ghettos?
concentration camps?
forced labor?
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In a previous post, it is revealed that Fred's statement was also about himself - is this just in the sense that he was giving his views, or his opinion? see last answer in this series Or was he talking about something that he had done? nothat he planned to do? no that he would like to do? no that he would do under certain circumstances? noWas he talking about something that was done to him? no that happened to him? nothat affected him? yes

Could you also have made your point (although perhaps not as sarcastically) by saying "But the holocaust happened before you were born"? yes
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Did he just mention the holocaust in general? yes Or some more specific aspect of it?no If more specific, was it:
gas chambers?
yellow stars?
train cars full of people?
ghettos?
concentration camps?
forced labor?
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So he was talking about how the holocaust affected him? Did he claim that it helped him? harmed him? taught him something? oppressed him? Did he mention any person or people other than himself?
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So he was talking about how the holocaust affected him? yes Did he claim that it helped him? noharmed him? yesishtaught him something? noish oppressed him? yope Did he mention any person or people other than himself? no
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He wasn't Jewish, but was he a member of another minority? A gypsy? gay? non-Aryan in any way?
Did he claim it had negatively affected him by changing the way people think? act? speak? the way he thinks? acts? speaks? by altering some feature of the modern world? by altering some feature of the world back then? Was your point that the effects he was describing were only relevant when the holocaust was actually happening?
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He wasn't Jewish, but was he a member of another minority? noA gypsy? nogay? no non-Aryan in any way? no
Did he claim it had negatively affected him by changing the way people think? noish act? dittospeak? dittothe way he thinks? yesacts?yope speaks?yope by altering some feature of the modern world? noby altering some feature of the world back then? yope Was your point that the effects he was describing were only relevant when the holocaust was actually happening? noish
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Did he say that we need to be nice to Jews because of "what we did to them in the holocaust" or "what we let happen to them in the holocaust"?
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Did he say that we need to be nice to Jews because of "what we did to them in the holocaust" or "what we let happen to them in the holocaust"? No, but you're VERY, VERY ORT
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He doesn't like Germans because of what they did during the holocaust?
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He doesn't like Germans because of what they did during the holocaust? No, & this is still ORT, but a bit less so than your last question. After all, this remark would not invite the reply that he looks very young for his age
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Did Fred mention "we must remember the holocaust" or "we must never forget" as if he was actually alive when it happened
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Which parts of this statement were part of what he said(if any)?

We need to be nice to Jews?
Because of what we did to them in the holocaust?
Because of what we let happen to them in the holocaust?

If none are actually part of what he said, which parts are ORT?
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Did Fred mention "we must remember the holocaust" or "we must never forget" as if he was actually alive when it happened? No, you can reasonably say this even if you weren't alive
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Which parts of this statement were part of what he said(if any)?

We need to be nice to Jews? semi-ORT
Because of what we did to them in the holocaust?ORT
Because of what we let happen to them in the holocaust? ORT

If none are actually part of what he said, which parts are ORT? See above. (He didn't actually say any of these things.)
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To check from my earlier question, Fred did not refer to a group of people involved in the holocaust as "we," correct? Did he refer to "us"? "our"? "ourselves"? any other form of a first-person plural pronoun that I can't think of right now?
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To check from my earlier question, Fred did not refer to a group of people involved in the holocaust as "we," correct?yes Did he refer to "us"? no "our"? no"ourselves"? no any other form of a first-person plural pronoun that I can't think of right now? no
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HINT: Find out Fred's nationality & something about his politics & moral character.
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Is Fred German? Jewish? British? French? Japanese?

Is Fred Conservative? Liberal? If he is one of those, is he in the "extreme" right (or left) wing?

Is abortion relevant? Capital punishment? Internmet (like was done to Japanese Americans)? (Not sure why I'm asking about these, but you mentioned politics & moral character, I'm fishing...)
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Is Fred German? yes Jewish? noBritish? no French? noJapanese? no

Is Fred Conservative?unlikely but possible Liberal? probablyIf he is one of those, is he in the "extreme" right (or left) wing? not extreme right, possibly but not necessarily extreme left

Is abortion relevant? noCapital punishment? noInternmet (like was done to Japanese Americans)? no(Not sure why I'm asking about these, but you mentioned politics & moral character, I'm fishing...)
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Is the state of Israel relevant?
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Something about interfaith relationships? or interethnic relationships? Did he think that non-Jewish Germans should date Jews (and hence reproduce) to help replenish the numbers that Jews lost during the holocaust?
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Is the state of Israel relevant?no
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Something about interfaith relationships? not romantic ones or interethnic relationships? ditto Did he think that non-Jewish Germans should date Jews (and hence reproduce) to help replenish the numbers that Jews lost during the holocaust? no. Gee--that sounds romantic?. Would a German tell the Jew what his motive is or would he let the Jew think he's fallen in love with her??)
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Gee--that sounds romantic?. Would a German tell the Jew what his motive is or would he let the Jew think he's fallen in love with her??)
haha, no argument here. Interethnic dating was all I could come up with for the liberal slant, and that was the only way I could think to tie it to the holocaust
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Is any identifying feature about you (the person fred is talking to) relevant? For example, does it matter that you are female? Are you Jewish? If so, does it matter? Would he have said the same thing if talking to someone else? Would someone else have reacted the same way as you?
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Is any identifying feature about you (the person fred is talking to) relevant? yesish For example, does it matter that you are female? no Are you Jewish? No, I have no religion & no ethnicity. But my parents are Jewish, I look Jewish, & Fred probably assumed I was Jewish.If so, does it matter? yesish. His belief that I was Jewish probably strengthened Fred's tendency to say what he did to me, but he might have said it even if he had been sure I was not Jewish (e.g., named O'Malley & wearing a crucifix). Would he have said the same thing if talking to someone else? see previous answer Would someone else have reacted the same way as you? Some would, some wouldn't.
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did he apologise for what the nazis did during the war? or apologise in some way that made it seem as though he was complicit, even though he couldn't have been because of his age?
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did he apologise for what the nazis did during the war? see next answeror apologise in some way that made it seem as though he was complicit, even though he couldn't have been because of his age? No, but you're VERY VERY ORT!!
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Did he say that he felt bad for what Germans had done to the Jews? Not felt bad in the sense of apologizing, but felt bad in the sense that it kind of tore him up inside to be a German and know what Germans had done?
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Did he say that he felt bad for what Germans had done to the Jews? Not felt bad in the sense of apologizing, but felt bad in the sense that it kind of tore him up inside to be a German and know what Germans had done? This is close enough fort me to declare a

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