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Dorianna's scrund led her to disappointment, as it made her expect a particular benefit from her marriage, which was not forthcoming. How come??
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Is her scrund about marriage in general? about something specific to her particular marriage? to her particular husband? (or wife?) Or did the scrund lead to the expectation in an indirect way, through a chain of reasoning/events that we need to figure out?

Was her expected benefit financial? physical? social? emotional?

Relevant when this takes place? Could it take place in modern times? Relevant where this takes place? Could it take place in the US? (If so - anywhere in the US? Or only specific states?)
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Is her scrund about marriage in general? no about something specific to her particular marriage? yes to her particular husband? yes (or wife? much less likely but possible) Or did the scrund lead to the expectation in an indirect way, through a chain of reasoning/events that we need to figure out? no

Was her expected benefit financial? no physical? no social? yes emotional? yes

Relevant when this takes place? yesCould it take place in yesCould it take place in the US? (If so - anywhere in the US? no Or only specific states?) yes. To save you the trouble of asking which states, it is by far most likely to take place in New York.Some other states are possibilities, most notably California, New Jersey, Massachusetts, & Pennsylvania. Here are some states where it could NOT take place: Alaska, Hawaii, any of the Great Plains states, any southern state except possibly Maryland or Florida.
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Why could it take place in some states but not others: because of different laws in the different states? differences in the laws specifically related to marriage?

Why could it not take place in the states you've listed: because D would not have had the expectation to begin with? or because the expected benefit would have been forthcoming?
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Why could it take place in some states but not others: because of different laws in the different states? no differences in the laws specifically related to marriage? no

Why could it not take place in the states you've listed: because D would not have had the expectation to begin with? yes or because the expected benefit would have been forthcoming? no
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Are any of these relevant about D? about her husband?: age? occupation? race? religion? ethnicity? country of origin? city of origin? name? family? physical appearance? education?

Did she acquire this scrund based on something she learned in school? something she read in a book? in a newspaper? in a magazine? something she saw on TV? something she heard on the radio? something a friend told her? something her parents told her?
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Are any of these relevant about D? about her husband?: age?yope, no--in this series of answers, first is for D; 2nd is for her husband occupation? yes, no race? yes, no religion? no, noethnicity? yes, yes country of origin? yes, yesish city of origin? yes, no name? yes, yes family? no, no physical appearance? no, noeducation? yes, no

Did she acquire this scrund based on something she learned in school?noish something she read in a book? no in a newspaper? noin a magazine? no something she saw on TV? nosomething she heard on the radio? no something a friend told her? no something her parents told her? no
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Green cards/visas relevant? Is Dorianna American Indian or Alaskan Native? Asian? Black or African American? Hispanic or Latina? Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander? White or Caucasian? Other/mixed? Was her husband one of the above categories?

When you say that name is relevant, do you mean the name Dorianna? Or her maiden name/married name? When Dorianna got married, did she change her name? keep her maiden name? Use a hyphenated name? Keep her maiden name as a middle name?
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Green cards/visas relevant? Is Dorianna American Indian or Alaskan Native? Asian? noBlack or African American? Hispanic or Latina? Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander? White or Caucasian? Other/mixed? Was her husband one of the above categories? The real Dorianna is a white American who is Jewish ethnically but not necessarily religiously. This puzzle might also work (with some other adjustments) for an American Latina & possibly (but much less likely) for a black American.

When you say thatname is relevant, do you mean the name Dorianna no her maiden name/married name? both are relevant When Dorianna got married, did she change her name? yes{keep her maiden name? no Use a hyphenated name? noKeep her maiden name as a middle name? irrel
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Did Dorianna's expected benefit relate to her name?

Does the reason this puzzle could work in some states but not others relate to regional accents? how D's maiden name is pronounced? how her married name is pronounced?

Are her husband's ethnicity and country of origin relevant only as they relate to his last name? Or are they also relevant for some other reason?
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Did Dorianna's expected benefit relate to her name? yes

Does the reason this puzzle could work in some states but not others relate to regional accents? no how D's maiden name is pronounced? no how her married name is pronounced? no

Are her husband's ethnicity and country of origin relevant only as they relate to his last name? yesOr are they also relevant for some other reason? no
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Was the expected benefit related to a perceived issue with her maiden name? Was she subjected to ethnic prejudice? Did her name not match her apparent ethnicity? And she thought that by getting married and changing her name, she would avoid this problem in the future? Relevant what exact names? Or just their apparent ethnic origins?
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Did Dorianna's expected benefit relate to her name? yes

Does the reason this puzzle could work in some states but not others relate to regional accents? no how D's maiden name is pronounced? no how her married name is pronounced? no

Are her husband's ethnicity and country of origin relevant only as they relate to his last name? yesOr are they also relevant for some other reason? no
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Did she think that having her husband's surname would make her life better in some way? Could she have achieved the same effect by changing her name by deed poll (if her scrund were not a scrund)?
Is the reason this could only happen in certain states because of differing laws? Could she not have had this scrund in another state because it would have been impossible to anticipate the relevant benefit? Or because she would in fact have gained the relevant benefit in other states?
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Did she think that having her husband's surname would make her life better in some way? yes Could she have achieved the same effect by changing her name by deed poll (if her scrund were not a scrund)? yes
Is the reason this could only happen in certain states because of differing laws? no Could she not have had this scrund in another state because it would have been impossible to anticipate the relevant benefit? yes Or because she would in fact have gained the relevant benefit in other states? no
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You missed my questions :-(
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Was the expected benefit related to a perceived issue with her maiden name? yes Was she subjected to ethnic prejudice? no Did her name not match her apparent ethnicity? no And she thought that by getting married and changing her name, she would avoid this problem in the future? no Relevant what exact names? there are many possibilities, but not just any pair of Jewish & non-Jewish surnames will do Or just their apparent ethnic origins? no
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You missed my questions :-( Rectified, with my apologies & my request for more questions!!
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Does her maiden name resemble an English word? A Yiddish word? A Hebrew word? What was the result of the issue with her maiden name -- embarassment? not being taken seriously? being mocked? being ostracized? being associated with something she didn't wish to be associated with? When she met her husband, was she pleased that he had this particular name? Would she have been equally pleased with any of a great number of non-Jewish names?
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Does her maiden name resemble an English word?irrel but few distinctively Jewish names do A Yiddish word?{irrel} A Hebrew word? irrel What was the result of the issue with her maiden name -- embarassment? no not being taken seriously? no being mocked? no being ostracized? nobeing associated with something she didn't wish to be associated with? no When she met her husband, was she pleased that he had this particular name? Yes, after she realized that she was going to marry himWould she have been equally pleased with any of a great number of non-Jewish names? yes
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You've said that D's education and occupation are relevant. Is D in school? Has she completed high school? college? Does she have a master's degree? a PhD? MD or other medical degree? JD or other law degree? MBA? Is her education relevant mostly because it is required for her occupation? Or is her occupation relevant mostly because it requires a certain level of education? Or are they both relevant?

Does the expected benefit have to do with the use of her name in a particular context? If so, in print? spoken out loud? on the internet? Did D expect to gain a benefit from using her married name rather than her maiden name? If so, about which part was she mistaken: that her married name rather than her maiden name would be used in this context? or that using her married name rather than her maiden name would be beneficial?
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You've said that D's education and occupation are relevant. Is D in school? possiblyHas she completed high school? yes college?She is most likely a college student, but not necessarily so Does she have a master's degree? possiblya PhD?unlikely MD or other medical degree? unlikely JD or other law degree?unlikelyMBA? unlikely Is her education relevant mostly because it is required for her occupation? no Or is her occupation relevant mostly because it requires a certain level of education? no Or are they both relevant? yes

Does the expected benefit have to do with the use of her name in a particular context? no If so, in print? spoken out loud? on the internet? Did D expect to gain a benefit from using her married name rather than her maiden name? yesIf so, about which part was she mistaken: that her married name rather than her maiden name would be used in this context? no or that using her married name rather than her maiden name would be beneficial? yes
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If she's a college student, is it relevant what she studies? Is it relevant where she goes to college? Would any college in NY work? Is she employed as well?
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If she's a college student, is it relevant what she studies? no Is it relevant where she goes to college? yes Would any college in NY work? no Is she employed as well? irrel
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So the states you mentioned are possibilities because they all have colleges with a certain characteristic?

Does she go to Columbia? NYU? Fordham? Hunter? Pace? SUNY? Yeshiva? Cornell? Georgetown?
Is her school specialized in one discipline? Single gender? Ivy league? Anything unusual about the graduation requirements? If yes, are these details relevant?
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Are Jewish colleges relevant? Does she attend a Jewish college? Live in close proximity to one? Do people assume she attends a Jewish college, or otherwise associate her with one? because she has a Jewish name?
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So the states you mentioned are possibilities because they all have colleges with a certain characteristic? That's not the only reason

Does she go to Columbia? possibly NYU? dittoFordham? no Hunter? noPace? I'm not sure if this is a possibility SUNY? possibly Yeshiva? possibly she goes to Stern, the affiliated women's college. In fact, this is where the puzzle would work best Cornell? The real Dorianna went to Cornell (which is where I knew her from) Georgetown? no
Is her school specialized in one discipline? no Single gender? irrelIvy league? could be Cornell, Columbia, or Penn; Harvard, Brown, & Yale are less likely; Princeton & Dartmouth are out Anything unusual about the graduation requirements?b{ irrel}If yes, are these details relevant? no
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Are Jewish colleges relevant? possibly Does she attend a Jewish college? The only Jewish college I know of is Yeshiva/Stern, although I guess Brandeis could also count, although it's non-sectarian. She could go to Brandeis or Stern; Yeshiva is all maleLive in close proximity to one? irrel Do people assume she attends a Jewish college, or otherwise associate her with one? no because she has a Jewish name? no
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The reason why some colleges would work and others would not: something about the official policies of the college? something about the demographics of the student body? the size of the student body? the number of Jewish students? something about the campus? the location? the surrounding community? the college's history? academic departments? student groups?
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The reason why some colleges would work and others would not: something about the official policies of the college? no something about the demographics of the student body? yes the size of the student body? no the number of Jewish students? yesishsomething about the campus? no the location? yope the surrounding community? ditto the college's history? no academic departments? nostudent groups? no
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Is some aspect of the demographics of the student body relevant other than the number of Jewish students? If so, does it have to do with students' ages? genders? races? religions? ethnicities? countries of origin? states of origin? socioeconomic status?
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Is some aspect of the demographics of the student body relevant other than the number of Jewish students?yesish If so, does it have to do with students' ages? nogenders? no races? noreligions? yopeethnicities? yesish countries of origin? yes states of origin? no socioeconomic status? no
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Does the student body necessarily have a much greater percentage of Jewish people than the surrounding community? than the general population?

Does it make sense to ask from whom Dorianna expected to gain the benefit (e.g., who would be treating her differently because of her name)? Is it one person? a small group? a large number? Students at her college? faculty? staff? People in the community?
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Does the student body necessarily have a much greater percentage of Jewish people than the surrounding community? no than the general population? yes

Does it make sense to ask from whom Dorianna expected to gain the benefit (e.g., who would be treating her differently because of her name)? Is it one person? a small group? a large number? Students at her college? faculty? staff? People in the community? The expected benefit is not that people will treat her differently because of her name
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HINT: Look for a characteristic that NO distinctively Jewish last name has in America.
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Does it have to do with the fact that a lot of American names are professions? Like maybe her husband's name was Carpenter, and she thought that this would give her an advantage in becoming a carpenter?
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Did she want a last name that began with a different letter? Because her first name ended in the same letter as her maiden last name began with?
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Is it something to do with where she would be listed in a phone book?
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Is it something to do with email addresses?
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Does it have to do with the fact that a lot of American names are professions? no Like maybe her husband's name was Carpenter, and she thought that this would give her an advantage in becoming a carpenter? no
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Did she want a last name that began with a different letter? no Because her first name ended in the same letter as her maiden last name began with? no
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Is it something to do with where she would be listed in a phone book? no
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Is it something to do with email addresses? no
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I'm about tapped out, so here goes the brute force approach... Would it work if her maiden name was Rosenthal? Goldberg? Silverstein? Aaronson? Abrahams? Cohen? Bernstein? Friedman? Goldblatt? Spiegel? Teitelbaum? Levine? Klein? Weiss?

Would it work if her husband's name was Smith? Kennedy? Greenwood? Brown? Long? Lloyd? Cooper? Jackson? Adams? Leonard? Bookbinder? Anderson? Ambrose? Mitchell?
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I'm about tapped out, so here goes the brute force approach... Actually, this is a great idea!! Just see the general way in which the yesses & nos in each category differ!Would it work if her maiden name was Rosenthal? yes Goldberg? yes Silverstein? no Aaronson? no Abrahams? no Cohen? yes Bernstein? yesFriedman? That WAS her name!! Goldblatt? no Spiegel? noTeitelbaum? noLevine? no Klein? yesWeiss? yes. And by the way, it would not work if her name were Ackerman

Would it work if her husband's name was Smith? yes Kennedy? yes Greenwood? noish Brown? yes Long?no Lloyd? noishCooper? yesJackson? yesAdams? yesLeonard? no Bookbinder? no Anderson? yes Ambrose? noMitchell? yes
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Does it have to do with people finally spelling her name right? Pronouncing it right? As most Americans don't quite catch the nuances of German spellings (or French ones for that matter)? Does she like the shoort last names so she doesn't get a hand cramp signing forms in triplicate? (I know I was glad to drop Whittaker.)

I'm at a bit of a loss too... The way your yeses are handed out I can't figure out why Goldblatt, Spiegel, or Teitelbaum would NOT be in the same category. Is it because they aren't distinctly Jewish?
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Does it have to do with people finally spelling her name right? no Pronouncing it right? no As most Americans don't quite catch the nuances of German spellings (or French ones for that matter)? no Does she like the short last names so she doesn't get a hand cramp signing forms in triplicate? No, name length is irrel(I know I was glad to drop Whittaker.)

I'm at a bit of a loss too... The way your yeses are handed out I can't figure out why Goldblatt, Spiegel, or Teitelbaum would NOT be in the same category. Is it because they aren't distinctly Jewish? No, I think they ARE distinctively Jewish.If you're not familiar with Jewish names, think about what the non-Jewish names for which I said 'yes' have in common that makes them different from the non-Jewish names for which I said 'no'. Or just thing about various aspects of names other than their length or ethnicity.
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I'm with Dlcygnet -- I'm at a complete loss as to any difference between the yeses and nos of the Jewish names. I also can't figure out any pattern among the non-Jewish names. Is it time for a hint?
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The following questions refer to what the non-Jewish names receiving a "yes" have in common that the ones receiving a "no" don't have. Does the common feature have to do with:

Spelling? Length? Origin? Pronunciation? Meaning? How common the name is? How familiar other people are with the name? Whether it belonged to a very famous person at some point?
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I'm with Dlcygnet -- I'm at a complete loss as to any difference between the yeses and nos of the Jewish names. I also can't figure out any pattern among the non-Jewish names. Is it time for a hint?It would be if you hadn't asked such an inspired question in your VERY NEXT POST. (See below.)
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The following questions refer to what the non-Jewish names receiving a "yes" have in common that the ones receiving a "no" don't have. Does the common feature have to do with:

Spelling? no Length? no Origin? no Pronunciation? noMeaning? no How common the name is? Yes. That's the inspired question!! For non-Jewish names, all the yesses are for names that are very common in America; all the nos are for names that are not. For Jewish names, all the yesses are for names that are very common among American Jews; all the nos are for names that are not. (There aren't enough Jews in America for any name that is common only among Jews to be a common American name overall.)How familiar other people are with the name? no Whether it belonged to a very famous person at some point? no
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sorry =). I thought of trying the brute force method right after asking for a hint, but couldn't delete the comment asking for a hint.

She thought she would get some benefit from switching from a name that is uncommon among American Jews to a name that is common in America. Correct? But she didn't get whatever benefit she thought she would get from it? And the expected benefit has nothing to do with spelling or pronunciation?
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sorry =). I thought of trying the brute force method right after asking for a hint, but couldn't delete the comment asking for a hint.

She thought she would get some benefit from switching from a name that is uncommon among American Jews to a name that is common in America. Correct? No. She had a name ('Friedman') that was common among American Jews. Let's say she was marrying John Williams & was planning to take his name. She thought she would get a certain benefit from switching from Friedman to Williams, but she was way off base. Keep in mind that it matters what part of America she is from (New York City would be best) & where she went to school. (NYU, Columbia, or the women's college of Yeshiva Univ, would all be good) But she didn't get whatever benefit she thought she would get from it? yes And the expected benefit has nothing to do with spelling or pronunciation? yes
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Would she have gotten the same benefit if her original name was uncommon among American Jews? If it wasn't a distinctly Jewish name at all?

Did she hope to have the same last name as someone else? the same full name? did she hope to be mistaken for someone else? to pass herself off as someone else? to avoid unwanted attention? to avoid people being able to find out information about her by Googling her name? Or so if someone does find out information about her, that she can claim it actually refers to someone else?
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Relevant that John Williams is a famous composer?
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Would NYC, NYU, Columbia, etc. be good because those are places where there is a high enough concentration of Jews that people would recognize her name as distinctively Jewish? Or because those are places where there are so many names that she thought Friedman was be more common than Williams there?
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Would she have gotten the same benefit if her original name was uncommon among American Jews?Well, she didn't get the benefit; she just expected it. She would npot have expected it if her name had been uncommon amonmg American Jews If it wasn't a distinctly Jewish name at all? no

Did she hope to have the same last name as someone else? no the same full name? nodid she hope to be mistaken for someone else? no to pass herself off as someone else? noto avoid unwanted attention? to avoid people being able to find out information about her by Googling her name? no Or so if someone does find out information about her, that she can claim it actually refers to someone else? no
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Relevant that John Williams is a famous composer? no--I didn't even know that & wouldn't have used that name if I had known that
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Would NYC, NYU, Columbia, etc. be good because those are places where there is a high enough concentration of Jews that people would recognize her name as distinctively Jewish? no Or because those are places where there are so many names that she thought Friedman was be more common than Williams there? yes--& not just there

This is close enough for me to declare a
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When Sharon Friedman got engaged to John Williams, she said, "It will be so nice not to have a common last name anymore." She was from such an ethnically skewed background that she actually thought that Friedman was a more common last name than Williams & this scrund is based on a real case! Please check out my new scrund puzzle at the bottom of this page.
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Ooops--her first name was Dorianna!

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