| Author | Message | ||
| Dropofahat (Dropofahat)
New member Username: Dropofahat Post Number: 129 Registered: 8-2009 |
Suddenly, it occurred to me: so THAT'S why it always looks like there was a party in here!! | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 652 Registered: 11-2008 |
Was it in someone's home? | ||
| Dropofahat (Dropofahat)
New member Username: Dropofahat Post Number: 132 Registered: 8-2009 |
Alhucema: Was it in someone's home? No | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 654 Registered: 11-2008 |
Indoors? Outdoors? Public place? Do you go there often? | ||
| Dropofahat (Dropofahat)
New member Username: Dropofahat Post Number: 134 Registered: 8-2009 |
Indoors? Yes Outdoors? No Public place? Noish Do you go there often? Yes | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 656 Registered: 11-2008 |
A club? Do lot of people go there? Is it a place where you are (usually) supposed to perform some activity? If so, is the activity: - work? - sport? - a hobby (other than a sport) - drinking? | ||
| Dropofahat (Dropofahat)
New member Username: Dropofahat Post Number: 137 Registered: 8-2009 |
A club? No Do lot of people go there? Yes, although I suppose it depends upon how one defines "a lot" Is it a place where you are (usually) supposed to perform some activity? Yes If so, is the activity: - work? No... ish. - sport? No - a hobby (other than a sport) No - drinking? Yope | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 659 Registered: 11-2008 |
A pub? Hospital? | ||
| Dropofahat (Dropofahat)
New member Username: Dropofahat Post Number: 143 Registered: 8-2009 |
A pub? Hospital? No to both Beware a FA in the drinking "yope" | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 662 Registered: 11-2008 |
How on earth can you yopishly drink :-))? Are the people going to this place strangers to each other? Does the yopishness of the drink relate to: - that you do not necessarily have to drink? - that the "drink" is not a drink in the proper sense of the word? | ||
| Dropofahat (Dropofahat)
New member Username: Dropofahat Post Number: 145 Registered: 8-2009 |
Are the people going to this place strangers to each other? for the most part, No Does the yopishness of the drink relate to: - that you do not necessarily have to drink? Correct - that the "drink" is not a drink in the proper sense of the word? Correct again, depending on what you mean by "proper" 8-] | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 666 Registered: 11-2008 |
Wouldn't be politically correct if I say booze, would it? Is the "drink" something liquid you can swallow but serves a different purpose than quench your thirst and/or get plastered? | ||
| Dropofahat (Dropofahat)
New member Username: Dropofahat Post Number: 149 Registered: 8-2009 |
Wouldn't be politically correct if I say booze, would it? Maybe not, but it would sure clear things up quicker... Is the "drink" something liquid you can swallow but serves a different purpose than quench your thirst and/or get plastered? thirst quenching yes; no alcohol involved | ||
| Natanz (Natanz)
New member Username: Natanz Post Number: 44 Registered: 8-2009 |
What kind of party do you mean: - "party party" (people celebrate something and dancing) - just a crowd At what time is the party? Morning? Afternoon? Evening? Night time? | ||
| Dropofahat (Dropofahat)
New member Username: Dropofahat Post Number: 154 Registered: 8-2009 |
What kind of party do you mean: - "party party" (people celebrate something and dancing) this - just a crowd At what time is the party? Morning? Afternoon? Evening? Night time? FA - there is no party | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 669 Registered: 11-2008 |
I am a bit confused - does the drink serve to quench thirst? Or a different purpose? Do your thoughts in the puzzle statement indicate that the place looks like there IS a party? or rather as if there WAS a party? Music involved? | ||
| Dropofahat (Dropofahat)
New member Username: Dropofahat Post Number: 159 Registered: 8-2009 |
I am a bit confused - does the drink serve to quench thirst? Yes. but it is not the primary reason for being there; in fact most people wouldn't bother. I thought a straight up "no" would have been misleading. Or a different purpose? No Do your thoughts in the puzzle statement indicate that the place looks like there IS a party? No or rather as if there WAS a party? This Music involved? No | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 671 Registered: 11-2008 |
Has the place been tidied up? Is there some rubbish which would be similar to what is left on the morning after a party? Plastic cups? Bottles? | ||
| Dropofahat (Dropofahat)
New member Username: Dropofahat Post Number: 161 Registered: 8-2009 |
**************CLARIFICATION**************** Per Alhucema's understandable confusion, the "there was a party" phrase in the puzzle statement was meant to be past tense. I suppose it could be taken as a continuous party, but that's not how it was meant. Perhaps "there had been" would have been better wording... | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 676 Registered: 11-2008 |
So, you arrive at a place you go to quite often. It has always seemed to you that the place looked like there had been a party, but you never realised why; this time, you experience a sudden flash of enlightenment, and you just know. So far so good? | ||
| Dropofahat (Dropofahat)
New member Username: Dropofahat Post Number: 208 Registered: 8-2009 |
So, you arrive at a place you go to quite often. It has always seemed to you that the place looked like there had been a party, but you never realised why; this time, you experience a sudden flash of enlightenment, and you just know. So far so good? Yes. Good summation. And by the way, nothing in particular happened differently during that visit to cause the "flash", I just suddenly figured it out. | ||
| Dropofahat (Dropofahat)
New member Username: Dropofahat Post Number: 209 Registered: 8-2009 |
Sorry, Alhucema, I somehow missed these questions! Has the place been tidied up? Yesish, but in and of itself this would (or should) not be unusual. Is there some rubbish which would be similar to what is left on the morning after a party? Yes. Plastic cups? Bottles? No to both | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 677 Registered: 11-2008 |
School? | ||
| Dropofahat (Dropofahat)
New member Username: Dropofahat Post Number: 211 Registered: 8-2009 |
School? No | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 678 Registered: 11-2008 |
The people meeting at the place: are they adult? Approximately of the same age? Profession? Sharing a hobby? The "leftovers", if I can call them that, are mostly of one kind of material? If so, is it paper? Metal? Tissue? Wood? Plastic? Food? Liquid? Are they mostly on the floor? Table(s)? Furniture? | ||
| Dropofahat (Dropofahat)
New member Username: Dropofahat Post Number: 212 Registered: 8-2009 |
The people meeting at the place: are they adult? Yes, but not 100% Approximately of the same age? No Profession? Yes Sharing a hobby? No The "leftovers", if I can call them that, are mostly of one kind of material? Yes If so, is it paper? Metal? Tissue? This is closest Wood? Plastic? Food? Liquid? Are they mostly on the floor? Table(s)? Furniture? No to all Great questions, should go a long way... | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 682 Registered: 11-2008 |
Profession - do we both mean something you have to qualify for? and earn money with? The tissue - is it natural? Man-made? Mixture of both? Is it clean? or dirty? Are there several pieces of the tissue? If so, are they similar in size? If so again, larger than a handkerchief? Location relevant? | ||
| Dropofahat (Dropofahat)
New member Username: Dropofahat Post Number: 213 Registered: 8-2009 |
Profession - do we both mean something you have to qualify for? and earn money with? Yes The tissue - is it natural? Man-made? Mixture of both? This, probably - geez, I hope we both mean the same thing by "tissue" - I believe we do Is it clean? Thisor dirty? Are there several pieces of the tissue? Yes If so, are they similar in size? Yes If so again, larger than a handkerchief? by square inchage, yes Location relevant? Not really. It happened to occur in NYC - but it could take place anywhere. It does, however, matter what kind of place it is, which has not yet been established | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 685 Registered: 11-2008 |
Tissue as fabric, I suppose? Towels? Are the people supposed to undress at the place? | ||
| Dropofahat (Dropofahat)
New member Username: Dropofahat Post Number: 214 Registered: 8-2009 |
Tissue as fabric, I suppose? Darn it, no. I guess we didn't mean the same thing. I thought you meant something like Kleenex or tissue paper Towels? no, see previous Are the people supposed to undress at the place? Yesish | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 686 Registered: 11-2008 |
undress: completely? Down to their underwear? or just take off their coats? Do they change to different clothing? So the "tissue" is actually made of paper? | ||
| Dropofahat (Dropofahat)
New member Username: Dropofahat Post Number: 216 Registered: 8-2009 |
undress: completely? no Down to their underwear? no or just take off their coats? no, sort of FA Do they change to different clothing? no So the "tissue" is actually made of paper? yes, for specific meaning of "paper" | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 687 Registered: 11-2008 |
Take off their hats? Some kind of religious place? Was the tissue previously used for something? Is it meant to be left there? or removed? Thrown away? Is it the tissue that reminds you of a party? | ||
| Dropofahat (Dropofahat)
New member Username: Dropofahat Post Number: 218 Registered: 8-2009 |
Take off their hats? no Some kind of religious place? No. This, and some other questions, may seem funny in retrospect. Of course I'm not making fun of your questions, but... you'll see what I mean later. Was the tissue previously used for something? No, for the specific pieces in question. I will use that same narrow definition for the next three questions. Is it meant to be left there? yope or removed? Thrown away? those 2 will likely happen eventually Is it the tissue that reminds you of a party? Not the tissue in and of itself | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 688 Registered: 11-2008 |
Are the visitors of the place male? female? both? Would you take your 16-year-old sister (if you had one ) to a place like this :-)) | ||
| Dropofahat (Dropofahat)
New member Username: Dropofahat Post Number: 219 Registered: 8-2009 |
Are the visitors of the place male? yes female? no both? no Would you take your 16-year-old sister (if you had one ) to a place like this :-))NO! {8-0 | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 689 Registered: 11-2008 |
Now THAT's getting interesting! :-)) And I am intrigued, and almost stuck. Would you usually go there during worktime? After work? At night? Would you usually spend there less than 1 hour? Would it be usual to go there every day? As to your hypothetical 16-year-old sister: Would you be afraid for her? If so, would it be rather for her honour? Physical integrity? Psychical integrity? | ||
| Dropofahat (Dropofahat)
New member Username: Dropofahat Post Number: 222 Registered: 8-2009 |
Would you usually go there during worktime? Yes After work? No At night? No Would you usually spend there less than 1 hour? Yes Would it be usual to go there every day? Yes As to your hypothetical 16-year-old sister: Would you be afraid for her? Partially If so, would it be rather for her honour? No Physical integrity? No Psychical integrity? This, if anything | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 690 Registered: 11-2008 |
Men's room? Laughing out loud | ||
| Dropofahat (Dropofahat)
New member Username: Dropofahat Post Number: 223 Registered: 8-2009 |
Men's room? YES! That's why some of the questions were funny... | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 691 Registered: 11-2008 |
Laughing out even louder... Are the "tissues" paper towels? Toilet paper? | ||
| Dropofahat (Dropofahat)
New member Username: Dropofahat Post Number: 224 Registered: 8-2009 |
Are the "tissues" paper towels? No Toilet paper? This And the "yopishly drinking" business was because you can drink - water, that is - there, although most people don't bother. I have seen some people do it though... | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 692 Registered: 11-2008 |
I wonder what you guys might be doing there... Is the toilet paper placed as you would usually expect it to be? Or is it hanging/lying somehow inappropriately? | ||
| Dropofahat (Dropofahat)
New member Username: Dropofahat Post Number: 225 Registered: 8-2009 |
Is the toilet paper placed as you would usually expect it to be? that too, but that's not what's of interest Or is it hanging/lying somehow inappropriately? yes | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 693 Registered: 11-2008 |
OK, I'm going to unleash my fantasy.... Hanging loosely from the walls? From the ceiling lights as garlands? Wrapped around the doorknobs? Trailing along the floor? Torn to pieces and thrown to the floor as confetti? Stuffed into keyholes? Glued to the walls with Picasso-like drawings on it? Well, I've warned you, haven't I?.... | ||
| Dropofahat (Dropofahat)
New member Username: Dropofahat Post Number: 226 Registered: 8-2009 |
Wow, what you must think we get up to in there...? Hanging loosely from the walls? Yope From the ceiling lights as garlands? Wrapped around the doorknobs? Trailing along the floor? Torn to pieces and thrown to the floor as confetti? Stuffed into keyholes? Yope Glued to the walls with Picasso-like drawings on it? no to the rest Even the Yopish ones are mostly "ope", but there are specific elements of them that are "y-ish"... | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 694 Registered: 11-2008 |
Precisely, I'm trying to figure this out... from what you've given away so far, it must be pretty wild! So far, I've figured out that the toilet paper in the men's room is (somehow) in such a mess that it reminds you of an afterparty, correct. We have excluded confetti and similar stuff, haven't we? | ||
| Dropofahat (Dropofahat)
New member Username: Dropofahat Post Number: 228 Registered: 8-2009 |
So far, I've figured out that the toilet paper in the men's room is (somehow) in such a mess that it reminds you of an afterparty, correct. You've got a bit of a FA here. There's not as much of a "mess" as you're suggesting. There IS toilet paper, not in it's usual place, and as such it is suggestive of a party having been there.. We have excluded confetti and similar stuff, haven't we? Correct, no confetti. | ||
| Dropofahat (Dropofahat)
New member Username: Dropofahat Post Number: 229 Registered: 8-2009 |
And no, the "party" - had it existed - wouldn't have had to be too wild... | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 695 Registered: 11-2008 |
So am I to find where the paper is to get to the final solution? or is there more to it? | ||
| Dropofahat (Dropofahat)
New member Username: Dropofahat Post Number: 230 Registered: 8-2009 |
So am I to find where the paper is to get to the final solution? or is there more to it? Need to know where the paper is - and why it was put there. I saw it there often, and didn't figure out why the hell it was there until much later... | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 696 Registered: 11-2008 |
Was the paper put wherever it is for a serious purpose (ie not just for fun)? If so, is it to mend something? Replace something? Provide paper to a neighbour who has run out of it? | ||
| Dropofahat (Dropofahat)
New member Username: Dropofahat Post Number: 231 Registered: 8-2009 |
Was the paper put wherever it is for a serious purpose (ie not just for fun)? Yes If so, is it to mend something? Replace something? Provide paper to a neighbour who has run out of it? No to all. But very thoughtful. | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 697 Registered: 11-2008 |
Cover/hide something? | ||
| Dropofahat (Dropofahat)
New member Username: Dropofahat Post Number: 233 Registered: 8-2009 |
Cover/hide something? Yes | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 698 Registered: 11-2008 |
Something which is meant to be there? Or is somehow broken/misplaced? | ||
| Dropofahat (Dropofahat)
New member Username: Dropofahat Post Number: 234 Registered: 8-2009 |
Something which is meant to be there? This, in a yopish way Or is somehow broken/misplaced? no | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 699 Registered: 11-2008 |
Keyholes? Cover as to impair visibility? Increase the comfort of the, ehem, users? Does the paper remain there for minutes? Hours? Days? | ||
| Dropofahat (Dropofahat)
New member Username: Dropofahat Post Number: 235 Registered: 8-2009 |
Keyholes? No Cover as to impair visibility? Yes Increase the comfort of the, ehem, users? Not physically Does the paper remain there for minutes? Hours? this, probably Days? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 700 Registered: 11-2008 |
Cover the holes above/below the partitions? Or no partitions are involved? Would it work in girl's room as well? | ||
| Dropofahat (Dropofahat)
New member Username: Dropofahat Post Number: 236 Registered: 8-2009 |
Cover the holes above/below the partitions? No, but definitely OTRT Or no partitions are involved? Yes, they are Would it work in girl's room as well? if it were necessary, sure | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 701 Registered: 11-2008 |
Cover something between the toilets? Or between a toilet and a "common space" Is the area to be covered below waist? Above? Is it larger than a postcard? A4 sheet? Is there only one such area? | ||
| Dropofahat (Dropofahat)
New member Username: Dropofahat Post Number: 237 Registered: 8-2009 |
Cover something between the toilets? No Or between a toilet and a "common space" Yes Is the area to be covered below waist? Above? Both Is it larger than a postcard? in square inches, yes A4 sheet? again, in square inches, maybe Is there only one such area? No | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 706 Registered: 11-2008 |
Is the area to be covered close to the toilet door? Is there something unusual about the toilet? Does the door/partition go down to the floor/up to the ceiling, or is there a hole in between? Does the door cover the person inside from the ankles up? | ||
| Dropofahat (Dropofahat)
New member Username: Dropofahat Post Number: 242 Registered: 8-2009 |
Is the area to be covered close to the toilet door? most definitely Is there something unusual about the toilet? the toilet itself, no. the bathroom as a whole, and the "toilet doors" in particular, yes Does the door/partition go down to the floor/up to the ceiling, or is there a hole in between The whole door/partition does not extend to the floor or ceiling, but again, that aspect is not of concern; I'm not sure I know what you meant by "hole in between", but it could be crucial. Does the door cover the person inside from the ankles up? Not quite You're very close to finishing, I was tempted to spoil it here, but there's a little more to find out | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 707 Registered: 11-2008 |
Hang on... is the door transparent? Translucent? Glass, perhaps? And your silhouette can be seen through it? Do you guys hang the paper on the door to cover this? | ||
| Dropofahat (Dropofahat)
New member Username: Dropofahat Post Number: 244 Registered: 8-2009 |
Hang on... is the door transparent? Translucent? Glass, perhaps? And your silhouette can be seen through it? No. But kind of OTRT. Do you guys hang the paper on the door to cover this? For the record, I never hung the paper at all... | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 3944 Registered: 12-2000 |
Do you mean the gap down the sides of the door? Both down the hinge side and the locking side (I've always found American toilet doors to barely hide anything, although the largest gaps top and bottom were in Hong Kong - I have an idea for a new book and have lots more incidents I can tell....) | ||
| Dropofahat (Dropofahat)
New member Username: Dropofahat Post Number: 246 Registered: 8-2009 |
*****************SPOILER************************ Alhucema, you've been hammering away at this one for awhile, and you were like 90% there (and I'm sure you would've "closed the gap"). Lynne, you nailed it. In the men's room in the office building where I work, I've noticed that most days there are lengths of toilet paper hanging like, well, party streamers (crepe paper) from the corners of some of the stalls. I always found it odd (thought maybe it was a joke at first). Not to get too personal or digusting, but at some point during a... fairly long visit (which I don't often do, at work), I noticed just how large the gaps are on both sides of the stall door. Nearly an inch! Then I realized THAT was why people were hanging streamers of T.P. in those spots - to try to block off those gaps. It was actually fairly effective. Although I can't bring myself to actually do it, if it's not there already. Thanks for sticking with it, Alhucema, and Lynne, congrats for filling in the final piece. Hope you enjoyed it. | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 731 Registered: 11-2008 |
Thank you for the puzzle, Dropofahat, I was having genuine fun from the beginning till the end. I just did not have this spark of genius Lynne did :-)) I had some work with a deadline to meet and I almost failed because I found it so much more fun to stick with your puzzle :-)) Btw, Lynne, if you want another horrific example for your book - I once visited a kindergarten in Germany, which had a toilet with no door at all and moreover, one of its walls was a window facing another window leading to the kitchen. A real nightmare. | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 3950 Registered: 12-2000 |
Oh, my horror started when I was at my Dad's office Christmas party for children when I was about five. There weren't enough cubicles to go round so we had to use buckets. And the two lady leaders stood in front of them as if they could block off the view from the other kids! I'm sure that's why I have recurring dreams about using the toilet in public. Yet when we used the ones in Hong Kong I was just 'put your head down and carry on - everyone's in the same boat' and it didn't bother me as much as it could have. Toilet doors in the UK are much more discreet, but if you get trapped in one like my daughter did at the visitors' centre on White Mountain NY, you wouldn't just be able to crawl out underneath. | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 734 Registered: 11-2008 |
Actually, Lynne, I have the same nightmare :-)) However, completely lockable toilets with no open spaces can be dangerous as well - I locked myself once in one of these in Spain and nearly missed my bus, which would have supposed walking for several hours in the middle of nowhere :-)) | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 3953 Registered: 12-2000 |
Actually, I doubt if anybody bigger than my then skinny 12 year old could crawl out. I've known people to complain about inward opening doors on toilets, so no amount of gaps would help them! We do have small gaps on most of our doors, enough to see if someone has collapsed. Anyway, sorry to steal you thunder on this one ;-) and I was just kidding about the book :-) | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 737 Registered: 11-2008 |
Geniuses don't need to apologize ;-)) In fact, you've saved me - I thought I'd already got it, and I would have been stuck for long if Dropofahat told me I was wrong again, and would perhaps have missed my deadline :-)) And as for the book, it's a good idea, I will perhaps write one myself :-)) | ||
| Dropofahat (Dropofahat)
New member Username: Dropofahat Post Number: 248 Registered: 8-2009 |
Alhucema, glad you enjoyed it. As for "spark of genius" (which Lynne did have), you had your share when you solved my very first riddle with one guess... | ||
| Dropofahat (Dropofahat)
New member Username: Dropofahat Post Number: 305 Registered: 8-2009 |
More TP streamers today. Someone must really want some privacy... | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 775 Registered: 11-2008 |
what are TP streamers? | ||
| Dropofahat (Dropofahat)
New member Username: Dropofahat Post Number: 307 Registered: 8-2009 |
TP streamers = toilet paper hanging like a "party streamer" (crepe paper) |
