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Eliza and Freddy go to the cinema. In the middle of the movie, Eliza bursts into laughter. The rest of the audience, including Freddy, turn their heads towards her, flabbergasted, some of them hissing with disapproval. No one else finds the scene in the film funny.

Why was Eliza laughing?
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Is she laughing at something in the movie?
Did she recognize someone (an actor) in the movie?
Is there a mistake in the movie that no one else picked up on?
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Is she laughing at something in the movie? Yes
Did she recognize someone (an actor) in the movie? No
Is there a mistake in the movie that no one else picked up on? Yesish
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Is someone in the movie having a "wardrobe malfunstion"?
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Is someone in the movie having a "wardrobe malfunstion"? No
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Would it help to find out which film it was? Or just the general details?

Was the film a comedy, romance, thriller, historical, dramatic reconstruction of real life events, mystery?
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Would it help to find out which film it was? Or just the general details? The general notion will do.

Was the film a comedy, romance This one, thriller, historical possibly , dramatic reconstruction of real life events, mystery possibly?
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Did the man in the film say something stupid? A corny one liner that no self-respecting female would fall for?
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Did the man in the film say something stupid? No A corny one liner that no self-respecting female would fall for? No
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Was it something someone said?
Was it the setting?
Was it something you saw in the background? e.g. somebody walked into a lamp post?
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Was it something someone said? Yesish
Was it the setting? No
Was it something you saw in the background? e.g. somebody walked into a lamp post? No, not like this
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The principal character?
The guy, the girl?
Did he/she misquote something?
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The principal character? one of them
The guy, the girl? The girl
Did he/she misquote something? No
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Did she express something verbally? Or by her body language?
Did she make a particular facial expression?
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Did she express something verbally? Yes Or by her body language? Yes
Did she make a particular facial expression? Probably
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Did she use any words?
Was it a cry of pain? Surprise? Anger?
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Did she use any words? Yes
Was it a cry of pain? Surprise? Anger?Neither
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Was she pleased at something?
Were they in public? Private? Something very intimate?
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Was she pleased at something? No
Were they in public? Private? I'd say rather private, but could have happened in public, too Something very intimate? Quite
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Kissing?
Did he taste of Marmite?
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Kissing? Not at the moment
Did he taste of Marmite? Irrelevant :-)) How could a mere viewer tell?
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Oh, her reaction would tell you! (Well, according the adverts)

Hugging?
Was he asking her to marry him?
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Oh, her reaction would tell you! (Well, according the adverts)

Hugging? Yesish - explore
Was he asking her to marry him? Not at the moment
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Holding hands?
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Holding hands? Possibly but irrelevant - there is more to it
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Is there anyone else relevant in the scene? Does somebody else say something?
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Is there anyone else relevant in the scene? Does somebody else say something? No - the only relevant people in the movie are the woman and the man, and the only person saying something relevant is the woman
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Is their location relevant? The setting - e.g. park, workplace, home, garden etc
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Is their location relevant? The setting - e.g. park, workplace, home, garden etc. Not really - it could be any of these and lots of other settings
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Were they about to kiss? Did she have to remove chewing gum first?
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Were they about to kiss? Did she have to remove chewing gum first? No, nothing like this.
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Were they young? Mature? Elderly?
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Were they young? Probably this Mature? Elderly?
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Was she protesting at something the boy did? Inappropriate touching?
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Was she protesting at something the boy did? Inappropriate touching? Not really but OTRT-ish and please don't be misled - if you said young, I'd think not only of teenagers, but, let's say, up to their thirties
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Had they hated each other first? (beloved of romance writers)
Had they grown up together?
Was it love at first sight?
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Had they hated each other first? (beloved of romance writers)
Had they grown up together?
Was it love at first sight? I'm sorry, but all irrelevant
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Was she being reasonable? Had the boy just made an honest mistake? Was he trying to more macho than she liked?
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Was she being reasonable? In a way, yes Had the boy just made an honest mistake? Was he trying to more macho than she liked? Probably not but irrelevant
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I'm really stuck here because there' no telling what was in the scriptwriter's mind.

Did she tell him not to attempt to kiss her? She didn't like the yesish hugging?
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I'm really stuck here because there' no telling what was in the scriptwriter's mind. There is no real need to go into a such depth - it can lead you to a dead end. It might perhaps help to read the puzzle statement again

Did she tell him not to attempt to kiss her? No She didn't like the yesish hugging? Noish
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Was Eliza just being cynical? More to do with her than the character?
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Was Eliza just being cynical? Yesish, but for a good reason More to do with her than the character? It had to do both with her and the character
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Was she the actress in the film?
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Was she the actress in the film? Good thinking, but no
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Does Eliza know something about the actor that the rest of the audience doesn't?
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Does Eliza know something about the actor that the rest of the audience doesn't? Yesish, definitely OTRT
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Is the actor her own ex? Her brother?
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Is the actor her own ex? Her brother? No, and wrong track
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Does Eliza imagine herself in the part of the girl?
Was Eliza an actress who didn't get the part of the girl?
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Does Eliza imagine herself in the part of the girl?
Was Eliza an actress who didn't get the part of the girl? No to both, on the wrong track
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Is there something significant about Eliza that we need to find out?
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Is there something significant about Eliza that we need to find out? Yes, there is
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Is she a film buff?
(Is she you?)
Has she seen the film before?
If so, does she laugh every time?
Is she the producer?
Otherwise involved in the making of the film?
An extra?
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Is she a film buff? Maybe but irrelevant
(Is she you?) No :-))
Has she seen the film before? Irr
If so, does she laugh every time? She possibly would
Is she the producer?
Otherwise involved in the making of the film?
An extra? No to the rest
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Has she had a bad experience with a boy herself?
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Has she had a bad experience with a boy herself? Irrelevant

I am not going to be online too often in the next few days. However, I will try and occassionally check the puzzle progress; so please be patient :-))
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Does she have some kind of knowledge or special training that others don't, that would allow her to notice whatever it is?

Does she notice a disparity between what the actress's voice is saying and what her body (body language or hand motions) is suggesting?

(I do have a specific idea - movie even! - in mind here, so if I get "no's" I'll know I'm way off base...)
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Does she have some kind of knowledge or special training that others don't, that would allow her to notice whatever it is? Yes indeed

Does she notice a disparity between what the actress's voice is saying and what her body (body language or hand motions) is suggesting? Yope, but very much OTRT
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Is Eliza deaf? Is sign language involved? Is the actress saying something different from what she is "signing"? Or are the subtitles different from what she's signing?

If the above is all wrong...

Is there another language involved? Is there a mistranslation involved?

Is the movie a period piece? Did she notice an anachronism?

Is Eliza trained in spotting certain facial or body movements? ...that indicate lying?
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Is Eliza deaf? Very probably Is sign language involved? No Is the actress saying something different from what she is "signing"? FA but OTRT Or are the subtitles different from what she's signing? FA but OTRT again, and very much so

If the above is all wrong... On the contrary, but there was a big FA


Is there another language involved? No
Is there a mistranslation involved? No


Is the movie a period piece? In a way, if we mean the same by "period piece"
Did she notice an anachronism? No


Is Eliza trained in spotting certain facial or body movements? ...that indicate lying?No
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By period piece, I meant - is the movie set in the past, say the Victorian era? ...in the future?

Is the actress speaking when Eliza laughs? Is Eliza lipreading? Are there subtitles? Are the subtitles different from what the actress is saying?
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y period piece, I meant - is the movie set in the past, say the Victorian era? ...in the future? Ah, I see. In this case, it is irrelevant

Is the actress speaking when Eliza laughs? Yes Is Eliza lipreading? Yes! Are there subtitles? Yesish Are the subtitles different from what the actress is saying? Yes
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Is the actress reading something that the characters & audience can see?
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Close-captioning relevant?
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So let me see if I have this at least partway right: Eliza is reading the actress' lips, which presumably no one who was shocked is able to do; there is some kind of disparity going on between what else is going on in the scene and what the actress' lips are saying. Correct?

Can Eliza hear at all? Was the dialogue looped (re-dubbed in post production), so that she is saying one thing, and we hear another on the soundtrack?
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Is the actress reading something that the characters & audience can see? please rephrase

Close-captioning relevant? not exactly but definitely very close, OTRT and worth exploring

So let me see if I have this at least partway right: Eliza is reading the actress' lips, which presumably no one who was shocked is able to do; there is some kind of disparity going on between what else is going on in the scene and what the actress' lips are saying. Correct? So far, absolutely correct

Can Eliza hear at all? Irrelevant Was the dialogue looped (re-dubbed in post production), so that she is saying one thing, and we hear another on the soundtrack? No
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What I meant was, are there written or printed words that both the characters in the movie and the audience can see? If so, is the actress reading them out loud, and for some reason they don't match what she's mouthing?

Are either of the movies characters deaf?
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What I meant was, are there written or printed words that both the characters in the movie and the audience can see? If so, is the actress reading them out loud, and for some reason they don't match what she's mouthing? Ah, I see. I am afraid not.

Are either of the movies characters deaf? No
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So there is something generally along the lines of subtitles (but not actually subtitles or captions) that doesn't match what the actress is mouthing?
Is there text of some kind on the screen?
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So there is something generally along the lines of subtitles (but not actually subtitles or captions) that doesn't match what the actress is mouthing? Yes
Is there text of some kind on the screen? Yes
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Is it a silent movie? Where the actors speak but you can't hear them, and then the text is shown a moment later?
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Is it a silent movie? Where the actors speak but you can't hear them, and then the text is shown a moment later? Exactly so.

This one is almost ripe. If you can briefly summarize what happened, I am going to spoyle :-))
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Eliza, who can lip read, and Freddy are watching a silent movie, with captions in between, showing what the characters are saying. The main actress says something, and Eliza reads her lips. The caption is strikingly different from what the actress said, and if anyone but Eliza could read lips, they might have found it funny too.

(By the way, I do think they are called "captions" - although of course not CLOSED captions - I think "card captions" is also acceptable. When you said no to "subtitles or captions", I really couldn't think of any other text that would appear on the screen - except credits... But Noel nailed the silent movie concept, so the question is moot.)
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That' s it, and here goes the


****************SPOILER****************


Eliza and Freddy are watching a silent movie, with intertitles in between. Eliza is able to lip-read, unlike Freddy and the rest of the audience.
They watch a romantic scene when the hero picks up the leading lady, and the title cards indicate they are engaged in a tender romantic dialogue. However, Eliza lip-reads that the heroine is actually saying: "If you drop me, you son of a b**ch, I'll kill you."

(In the silent movie era, the actors were usually saying basically what was in their script: however, as we can see, there were some exceptions.)


Dropofahat, my understanding is that close captions are special subtitles for the deaf (which include besides the normal subtitles also the verbal description of various sounds in the movie), which appear on the screen simultaneously as the actors are speaking, while intertitles (or just titles) are the comments in the silent movie. I may be mistaken, though. It might be interesting to know how other fellow puzzlers perceive it.

Thank you all very much for joining me in this puzzle!
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Haha, funny what she was actually saying. Is this a true story?

You're right about closed captioning, I just thought that "captions" (or "caption cards") was an acceptable term for what silent films used - although "intertitles", which you used, is probably the best and most accurate name for them.
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I' ve read it as a true story, but with no reference to the film, so I have no chance to check it. I do hope it's true - and if it isn't, I think it is at least well invented :-))
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I just found a similar story about the Douglas Fairbanks picture "The Habit of Happiness" from 1916. The script required him to crack up a bunch of down-and-outs (bums) with a series of jokes. However, they used real bums rather than actors and all they'd respond to were dirty jokes. To get the required reaction, that's what Fairbanks was filmed telling. Lip-readers duly complained and some of the scene had to be reshot...
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Someone on another forum seems to think the movie in question may have been "Three Weeks" featuring Madlaine Traverse...
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Thanks a lot for the info, Dropofahat! I will dig into it when I have more time. I'd really like to know if it's true.

And hope you enjoyed the puzzle :-))

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