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Gourami (Gourami)
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Jack is a big Emily Dickinson fan. He brings this up to Meg, who makes a positive comment about the poet. Thereafter, he makes sure never to mention Dickinson to her again.
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Did the comment relate to ED's life? Poetry?
If so, to one specific poem?
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Was the "positive comment" supportive or understanding of negative (say, suicidal) thoughts represented in the poem?
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Alhucema (Alhucema)

Did the comment relate to ED's life? No.Poetry? Yes.
If so, to one specific poem? Yope.

Dropofahat (Dropofahat)

Was the "positive comment" supportive or understanding of negative (say, suicidal) thoughts represented in the poem? No.
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A specific concept expressed throughout her poetry? THe circumstances she was writing in (eg. her seclusion)?
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Was the positive comment sarcastic?
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Alhucema (Alhucema)

A specific concept expressed throughout her poetry? No. THe circumstances she was writing in (eg. her seclusion)? Nope.

Natanz (Natanz)

Was the positive comment sarcastic? No, it was sincere.
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Would it have worked for another poet/writer?
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Did the comment show Meg didn't know something about Emily?

She mistook Emily for someone else?

Was the comment "correct" about Emily, or was it not true/irrelevant?
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Is the Emily Dickinson that Jack is a fan of the poet Emily Dickinson? Or some other Emily Dickinson?
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Did Jack think that Meg's comment was positive? Is anyone else involved in their discussion about Emily?
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Alhucema (Alhucema)

Would it have worked for another poet/writer? Yes.

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Did the comment show Meg didn't know something about Emily? No.

She mistook Emily for someone else? No.

Was the comment "correct" about Emily, or was it not true/irrelevant? It was true...I wouldn't say it could be called correct/incorrect.

Ferrets101 (Ferrets101)

Is the Emily Dickinson that Jack is a fan of the poet Emily Dickinson? Yes. Or some other Emily Dickinson?

Figure09 (Figure09) Welcome to the forum!

Did Jack think that Meg's comment was positive? No, good question. Is anyone else involved in their discussion about Emily? No.
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Welcome to the forum! Thanks!

So did Jack never bring up Emily again because Meg's comment bothered him? Would this comment have worked on a male poet/writer?
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So did Jack never bring up Emily again because Meg's comment bothered him? Noish. Would this comment have worked on a male poet/writer? Yes indeed.
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Did Jack and Meg know each other before this discussion about Emily? Are they related?
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Would the same have worked for Geoffrey Chaucer? Jane Austen? Shakespeare? Robert Burns? Hemingway?
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Did Jack and Meg know each other before this discussion about Emily? Yes, basically irr.Are they related? Irr.

Alhucema (Alhucema)

Would the same have worked for Geoffrey Chaucer? Jane Austen? Shakespeare? Robert Burns? Hemingway? Yes to all. It would work for nearly every author.
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So it would basically apply to almost any author of poetry and prose?

Does the comment as Meg meant it it relate just to ED's work (as opposite to her life)? Did Jack understand it the same way?

Something along the line that those who write about certain things do not practice them in real life?
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Alhucema (Alhucema)

So it would basically apply to almost any author of poetry and prose? Yes.

Does the comment as Meg meant it relate just to ED's work (as opposite to her life)? Yes. Did Jack understand it the same way? Yes or yesish.

Something along the line that those who write about certain things do not practice them in real life? No.
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Did he never mention Dickinson again because he falsely perceived Meg's comment as negative? Because some aspect of her comment really was negative? Because he thought Dickinson was a sore subject for Meg? Because he didn't want to reveal Meg's ignorance? What did he think would happen if he mentioned Dickinson again... Meg would make a similar comment? Meg would be upset? embarassed? Meg would reveal Jack's ignorance?
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Did he never mention Dickinson again because he falsely perceived Meg's comment as negative? Yes. Because some aspect of her comment really was negative? No. Because he thought Dickinson was a sore subject for Meg? Yes, possibly. Because he didn't want to reveal Meg's ignorance? No. What did he think would happen if he mentioned Dickinson again... Meg would make a similar comment? Possibly. Meg would be upset? Possibly. embarassed? Meg would reveal Jack's ignorance? No to rest.
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Did Meg's comment inadvertently embarrass Jack? Insult him? Belittle him? Anger him?

If Meg had known Jack better, would she have rephrased her comment? Is it something that can be rephrased? Is Jack just easily hurt, or excitable in some way (he takes things the wrong way)? Would another Emily Dickinson fan, speaking to Meg, feel the same way as Jack?
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Did Meg's comment inadvertently embarrass Jack? Insult him? Belittle him? Possibly. Anger him? Possibly.

If Meg had known Jack better, would she have rephrased her comment? No. Is it something that can be rephrased? Yes. Is Jack just easily hurt, or excitable in some way (he takes things the wrong way)? No. Would another Emily Dickinson fan, speaking to Meg, feel the same way as Jack? If they interpreted comment the same way, sure.
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Did Meg say something about how Dickinson makes her feel? about how much ED's poems meant to her? about any particular ED poem?
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Did Meg say something about how Dickinson makes her feel? No. about how much ED's poems meant to her? Noish. about any particular ED poem? Yope.
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I just have to ask if the names of the characters relate to Jack and Meg White (from The White Stripes, one of my favorite bands)?
And if so, is it at all relevant...?
Or do you just like to use names of people from bands you like? (See also: Paperback Writer with Paul =)

I enjoy it, just curious!

Ok, now...

You said this comment would work for any Author, but would it work for any person? Place? Thing? Or only authors?

Was her comment about how:
Reading in general makes her feel?
Writing in general?
A poem in general?

Is Jack's profession:
Writer?
Editor?
Blue collar/White collar?

Is there a double meaning to her response?
Does he interpret it as her disliking ED?
Disliking reading in general?
Dislike discussing writing?
Because it's pretentious to some to do so?
Or is she more annoyed with him?

Could this puzzle work with discussing an visual artist as well?
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Just saw your response about the song titles/names on the other puzzle. Ignore previous inquiry about The White Stripes. Awesome.
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I just have to ask if the names of the characters relate to Jack and Meg White (from The White Stripes, one of my favorite bands)? Yes, but...
And if so, is it at all relevant...? No, I just love 'em.
Or do you just like to use names of people from bands you like? (See also: Paperback Writer with Paul =)

I enjoy it, just curious! I'm glad someone noticed my little naming device.

Ok, now... now.

You said this comment would work for any Author, but would it work for any person? No. Place? No. Thing? A similar statement could be made about certain things... Or only authors? And almost any author.

Was her comment about how:
Reading in general makes her feel? No.
Writing in general? No.
A poem in general? Sort of.

Is Jack's profession:
Writer?
Editor?
Blue collar/White collar? Irrelevant.

Is there a double meaning to her response? Yes, though not really a pun or double entendre.
Does he interpret it as her disliking ED? Yesish.
Disliking reading in general? No.
Dislike discussing writing? No.
Because it's pretentious to some to do so? No.
Or is she more annoyed with him? No.

Could this puzzle work with discussing an visual artist as well? She could have made a similar statement about most visual artists.
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Any objects involved?
Are either of them they looking at a book/poem when this comment is made?
Is her statement one of negativity?
i.e. "I hate...", "I can't stand...", etc?

Does Meg see her comment as completely normal?
Would she have any idea that he got the impression he did?
If two days later someone told Meg that they were a big fan of The White Stripes, could she have made this same comment and could it be interpreted the same way?
What if it was that he was a big fan Jackson Pollock?
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Any objects involved? Yes.
Are either of them looking at a book/poem when this comment is made? Yes. Although it could happen in other circumstances, I think figuring out the full story will help.
Is her statement one of negativity? No.
i.e. "I hate...", "I can't stand...", etc? No.

Does Meg see her comment as completely normal? Yes.
Would she have any idea that he got the impression he did? Not necessarily.
If two days later someone told Meg that they were a big fan of The White Stripes, could she have made this same comment and could it be interpreted the same way? Assuming she isn't actually Meg White...two words of her comment would have to be changed, but yes.
What if it was that he was a big fan of Jackson Pollock? Two words of her comment would have to be changed, but yes.
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Would one of the two words that have to be changed relate to the medium of art that was discussed, i.e. "poem" vs. "song", or "author" vs. "artist" vs. "band"?
In your story with ED is the object a book?
If it was discussing a band would it be a CD?
If Jack and Meg later became friends and he explained to her what he thought her comment meant, would she be more careful in using this phrase again?
Is there anything unusual about either Jack or Meg?
Blind, deaf, midgets, albatross, prisoners, the usual?
Is Jack's way of saying he likes ED an unusual way of saying it?
Does this make her response sensible?
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Would one of the two words that have to be changed relate to the medium of art that was discussed, Yes. i.e. "poem" vs. "song", This would be one change. or "author" vs. "artist" vs. "band"?

In your story with ED is the object a book? Yes.
If it was discussing a band would it be a CD? It could be.
If Jack and Meg later became friends and he explained to her what he thought her comment meant, would she be more careful in using this phrase again? Probably.
Is there anything unusual about either Jack or Meg? No.
Blind, deaf, midgets, albatross, prisoners, the usual? Yes to all, but completely irr. =)
Is Jack's way of saying he likes ED an unusual way of saying it?
Does this make her response sensible? No to rest.
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Is the other word that would need changed a verb related to the art? E.g. "read" or "recite" vs "listen to" or "sing"?
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Does she say something sarcastic?
i.e."I just lovvvve listening to songs by the White Stripes" or "reading poems by ED"?
Does he interpret what she says as that she can't stand them?
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Is the other word that would need changed a verb related to the art? Yes! E.g. "read" This... or "recite" vs. this. vs "listen to" or "sing"?

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Does she say something sarcastic? No.
i.e."I just lovvvve listening to songs by the White Stripes" or "reading poems by ED"? Nope.
Does he interpret what she says as that she can't stand them? Yes.
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So if it were a song vs. an author, the statement would have to be changed from "...read a poem by ED" to "listen to a song by The White Stripes"?

Does she say something to the effect of "I would rather _______ than read a poem by ED." ?

Does her statement reference the object? (CD, book?)

Or just the artist?

Would her statement include the words: "read a poem by ED" or "listen to the White Stripes"?
Or is it in the past tense? "reading poetry by ED" or "Listening to the White Stripes"?
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So if it were a song vs. an author, the statement would have to be changed from "...read a poem by ED" to "listen to a song by The White Stripes"? Very close, change one word.

Does she say something to the effect of "I would rather _______ than read a poem by ED." ? No.

Does her statement reference the object? (CD, book?) Yes.

Or just the artist? Her too.

Would her statement include the words: "read a poem by ED" Change one word. or "listen to the White Stripes"? No.
Or is it in the past tense? Yeah, it's read pronounced red as opposed to reed. Ah, English. "reading poetry by ED" or "Listening to the White Stripes"? No.
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Did she incorrectly assume the nature of Emily Dickinson's work? (i.e. mistook her for an author or singer or some such)
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Would it be "read poetry by ED" pronounced "red"?
Or "read a book by ED"?
Or "listened to an album by The White Stripes"?

Does the phrase always reference the object in which the art form is found? i.e. The CD or Book?

Does it matter where they are when this exchange takes place?
Are any of her actions relevant?
Does she make any hand or body motions that are relevant?
Is any tone of voice relevant?
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Did she incorrectly assume the nature of Emily Dickinson's work? (i.e. mistook her for an author or singer or some such) No.

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Would it be "read poetry by ED" pronounced "red"? No, "poem" was right.
Or "read a book by ED"? No.
Or "listened to an album by The White Stripes"? In their case, she could have said "song" or "album". Let's stick with "song" to keep things simple, though. =)

Does the phrase always reference the object in which the art form is found? i.e. The CD or Book? No, it never does.

Does it matter where they are when this exchange takes place? No.
Are any of her actions relevant?
Does she make any hand or body motions that are relevant? No.
Is any tone of voice relevant? Saying it in certain ways might make the misunderstanding happen more easily, but for the most part no.
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Does she say something like:
"the last time I read a poem by ED..."?

Wait... when I asked "read a poem by ED" one word is wrong here. Is it "read" "a" "poem" "by" or "ED"?

I simply can't get a light bulb to go off for this puzzle right now.
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Does she say something like:
"the last time I read a poem by ED..."? No, but exploring her reading of poems might help.

Wait... when I asked "read a poem by ED" one word is wrong here. Is it "read" "a" This. "poem" "by" or "ED"?

I simply can't get a light bulb to go off for this puzzle right now. Maybe these answers will help, but I'm considering $p0i1ing it. I've got a big one in the works.
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Does her statement make it sound like she dislikes poetry in general?
Does her statement make a comparison?
Is it "read THAT poem by ED"?
Insert other words there:
ANY
THE
SOME
THIS

Does he perceive it as her disliking the specific ED poem in reference?
The one he is saying he likes?
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Does her statement make it sound like she dislikes poetry in general? No, in fact she is saying what she likes.
Does her statement make a comparison? No, although he sort of percieved it as one.
Is it "read THAT poem by ED"? Another word might work better, but this is the idea.
Insert other words there:
ANY
THE
SOME
THIS Or this.

Does he perceive it as her disliking the specific ED poem in reference? No, she definitely likes that one.
The one he is saying he likes? No.
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Ok, "her" poem = the one she likes. "his" poem = the one he likes. Ok?

Is he perceiving that she likes "her" poem more than "his"? That she likes "her" poem instead of "his"? That she only likes "her" poem and not any other ED poems?
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Does he perceive that she likes the poem in reference very much, but likes other poems better?
Other poems by other authors?
Is Meg a big poetry fan in general?
Does ED or the poem in question make her think of a bad memory?
Something sad?
Would he never bring it up to her again because he would hurt her feelings?
"Every time I read this poem by Emily Dickinson I think of my dead mom?"
"ex-boyfriend who loved that poem"?
Does she like the poem but not like the object in question?
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Ok, "her" poem = the one she likes. Ok. "his" poem = the one he likes. FA. Ok?

Is he perceiving that she likes "her" poem more than "his"? That she likes "her" poem instead of "his"? Persisting FA, but...That she only likes "her" poem and not any other ED poems? Yes!

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Does he perceive that she likes the poem in reference very much, Yes. but likes other poems better? Not necessarily.
Other poems by other authors? Irr.
Is Meg a big poetry fan in general? Probably not.
Does ED or the poem in question make her think of a bad memory? No.
Something sad? No.
Would he never bring it up to her again because he would hurt her feelings?
"Every time I read this poem by Emily Dickinson I think of my dead mom?"
"ex-boyfriend who loved that poem"? No, good thought though.
Does she like the poem but not like the object in question? No, although I suppose Jack yopeishly percieves her comment this way.
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So Jack perceives that Meg only likes "Her" poem by ED, not any others. Thank you Noel.
So when he brings up that he likes ED, does he refer to the same poem?
To her poetry in general?
Is he carrying a book of her poems?
If so, does the ED book he has with him have "her" poem in it?
Or is he only carrying a poem?
If so, is the poem he's carrying "her" poem?

So Jack likes ED in general?
And Meg only likes one poem by ED?
Is he bringing up a poem by ED that he DOESN'T like?
Even though he's a fan in general?
The one that she likes very much?

I'm imagining Jack loves ED, but hates one poem by her that Meg happens to love. He brings this poem that he doesn't like up and she says something about hating poetry in general but loving that poem. OTRT? Not at all? *Scratches head*
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So Jack perceives that Meg only likes "Her" poem by ED, not any others. Thank you Noel. Yay! Yes indeed.
So when he brings up that he likes ED, does he refer to the same poem? No, he doesn't mention any poem specifically.
To her poetry in general? Yes.
Is he carrying a book of her poems? Could be. this is the scenario I was imagining.
If so, does the ED book he has with him have "her" poem in it? Irr.
Or is he only carrying a poem? No.
If so, is the poem he's carrying "her" poem?

So Jack likes ED in general? Yes.
And Meg only likes one poem by ED? Yope.
Is he bringing up a poem by ED that he DOESN'T like?
Even though he's a fan in general? No.
The one that she likes very much?

I'm imagining Jack loves ED, but hates one poem by her that Meg happens to love. He brings this poem that he doesn't like up and she says something about hating poetry in general but loving that poem. OTRT? Not at all? *Scratches head* No, but you're OTRT in as much as: Jack likes all ED, Meg isn't really into poetry, but she is talking about one poem and doing so in a positive way. There's really not much else to figure out...just an aha! moment, I think.
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Does she actually like other ED poems besides "hers"? Is "her" poem Meg's favorite poem? Meg's favorite ED poem? Just one ED poem that Meg likes?
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Does she actually like other ED poems besides "hers"? No, maybe explore. Is "her" poem Meg's favorite poem? Possibly. Meg's favorite ED poem? Yes or yesish. Just one ED poem that Meg likes? The only one...ish.
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Is it actually an ED poem? Or does Meg just think it is?
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Is it actually an ED poem? It is. Or does Meg just think it is?
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So does Meg actually enjoy other ED poems?
Other poems in general?
Relevant?
Does she enjoy the object (book)?
Jack just perceives that she only likes "her" poem?

And is that perception the reason he never brings up ED again?
Because he thinks she only likes this one poem and no other ED poems?
Or no other poems in general?
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So does Meg actually enjoy other ED poems? Noish, explore.
Other poems in general? Irr.
Relevant?
Does she enjoy the object (book)? Noish, explore.
Jack just perceives that she only likes "her" poem? Yesish.

And is that perception the reason he never brings up ED again?
Because he thinks she only likes this one poem and no other ED poems? Exactly.
Or no other poems in general? Irr.
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Does she misunderstand "her" poem? Does she like it because she thinks it says something it doesn't? That she thinks it means something it doesn't?

In expressing her like for the poem, does she display her ignorance about something?
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Does she misunderstand "her" poem? No or irr.Does she like it because she thinks it says something it doesn't? That she thinks it means something it doesn't? No to rest.

In expressing her like for the poem, does she display her ignorance about something? No: what she says is only her opinion and it's true. It's the wording itself that he misunderstands.

Can you tell I want this one solved? =)
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I'll be here checking back 4 times a day hoping someone's solved this one, but in the meantime I'll be listening to The White Stripes and trying to think of one good question... which isn't coming.
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I feel like we're going in circles on this one. Can you give a hint?
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For the purposes of this puzzle, she may have only read one poem in her entire life.
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Did she say something like "when I read that poem I felt like I never needed to read another poem"?
Meaning that she thought it was perfect so no poem would ever measure up? But he thought she meant it was terrible and ruined poetry for her?
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Did she say something like "when I read that poem I felt like I never needed to read another poem"? No.
Meaning that she thought it was perfect so no poem would ever measure up? But he thought she meant it was terrible and ruined poetry for her? He understands that she liked the one poem. But...
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Just trying to refine what we have which feels like very little into a story and/or going in circles with Noel, lol. Feel free to just use "This" along my story line:

"Megs poem" = "The ED poem she likes"
And we are going to assume she has never read another poem in her life. What a travesty.

Ok, so Jack brings up ED to Meg.
Does he just mention ED?
Or is he mentioning a poem when he brings up ED?
Her poetry in general?
The poetry he has in the book he's referencing?
Is he mentioning "Meg's" poem? By name?
All of her poems?
A different poem?
ED in general?

Does he ask her a question?
Her opinion?
Whether she likes ED?
Whether she likes poetry?
The specific poem in question?
"Her" poem?

Does he ever say the words:
poem
poetry
Emily Dickinson
book
favorite
love
like

In her statement:
Does she state her "love" for "her" poem before the part that Jack misinterprets as her not liking ED? After? Are they one in the same?

Does she ever say:
book
hate
love
"read this poem by ED"
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Posted on Sunday, October 04, 2009 - 6:27 am:

Just trying to refine what we have which feels like very little into a story and/or going in circles with Noel, lol. Feel free to just use "This" along my story line: Aw, I feel like you're just about there!

"Megs poem" = "The ED poem she likes"
And we are going to assume she has never read another poem in her life. What a travesty. It's sad.

Ok, so Jack brings up ED to Meg.
Does he just mention ED? Yes.
Or is he mentioning a poem when he brings up ED? No.
Her poetry in general? This works.
The poetry he has in the book he's referencing?
Is he mentioning "Meg's" poem? By name? No to all.
All of her poems?
A different poem?
ED in general? His exact words aren't crucial; hers are. Let's say he asked a very general question about ED or her poems.

Does he ask her a question? Yes.
Her opinion?
Whether she likes ED? Something along these lines.
Whether she likes poetry? No.
The specific poem in question? No.
"Her" poem? No.

Does he ever say the words:
poem
poetry
Emily Dickinson
book
favorite
love
like Any are possible, see above.

In her statement:
Does she state her "love" for "her" poem before the part that Jack misinterprets as her not liking ED? No. After? Yes. Are they one in the same? They are within the same sentence.

Does she ever say:
book
hate
love Yes.
"read one poem by ED" Yes. =)
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So she says one sentence?
Does her sentence have in it:
"I've only read one poem by ED"
"I love "_________" <---the name of Her poem?
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So she says one sentence? Yes.
Does her sentence have in it:
"I've only read one poem by ED" Yes! But he doesn't understand what she means because she also says...
"I love "_________" <---the name of Her poem? No, but you're so close...
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Does he ask "Have you ever read any ED"?
Or "I've been reading ED (book in hand), what do you think of her?"

So, does her statement BEGIN:
"I've only read one poem by ED...":

Does her sentence end:
"But I love/d it"?
"I love/d _______" <--- Something else, not the name of the poem or ED?

Does her sentence ever reference Jack?
By name?
Does she say:
you
your(s)

NOELLLLL... Come back and help me!
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"I've only read one poem by ED that I love?"
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Does he ask "Have you ever read any ED"?
Or "I've been reading ED (book in hand), what do you think of her?" Anything along these lines, yes.

So, does her statement BEGIN:
"I've only read one poem by ED...": YES.

Does her sentence end:
"But I love/d it"?
"I love/d _______" <--- Something else, not the name of the poem or ED? No.

Does her sentence ever reference Jack?
By name?
Does she say:
you
your(s) No to all.

NOELLLLL... Come back and help me! He's about to. ;)

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"I've only read one poem by ED that I love?" Indeed.

**************SPOILER

Jack asks Meg something along the lines of, "Are you familiar with the work of Emily Dickinson?"

To which she replies, "I've only read one poem of hers which I liked."

What she meant by this statement was, 'I'm not very familiar with her work, but what I have read was great.' But, since Emily wrote over a thousand poems, he understandably perceived it as, 'Her work is mostly terrible.'

Shiny gold stars to Noel and Cupofsun!
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Noel is now my official hero. And Gourami, your puzzles are amazing!
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Not that it matters, but I'm a she =)
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Sorry Noel, I already knew that. I know no one (besides you) with the name "no-ell," but I know many "knoll"s, so automatically associate the name with guys. Sorry!
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Then we have both No-el and Kal-el (Superman) on the board. Related?

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