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Flemsneezy (Flemsneezy)
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whoosh.
click.
whir, whir, whir.
"Crap!"
"Oh no!"
WHIRRRRR!
clink.
whosh.
thud.


I'm borrowing an idea from one of Caesarachilles old puzzles. The words are all sounds from the situation, the words in quotation marks are things that are said. For this puzzle specific knowledge in a particular area would be very useful but not necessary for it to be solved. Based on a true story so please email me if you think you know it before you spoil for everyone else. Happy puzzling!
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Is the first "whoosh." the same sound as the second "whosh."? Are they made by the same thing? Is either one of them air whooshing?

Is the click a firearm? A lock?

Are all three "whir"s the same sound from the same thing?

Is the speaker of "Crap!" HAM? Is the speaker of "Oh no!" HAM? Does the same person say both phrases? Is anyone besides the person(s) speaking involved? 1 more? 2+ more? 5+ more? 10+? 20+? 50+? 100+?

Is the "WHIRRRRR!" made by the same thing as the previous whirring thing(s)? Is it the same sound? Is it the same sound just louder?

Is the thud a body hitting the ground? Some other object hitting the ground?

Is this true story well-known? Has this true story been made into a movie? A book? A children's TV series?

Title relevant? "2x" is "two times" or "two of"? "You" is me? Some generic person? You?
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Is the first "whoosh" a rush of air? Water? Hydraulic/pneumatic equipment operating? something moving quickly through the air? Is the second "whosh" any of the above?
Is drilling involved? Is the "WHIRRRRR!" something spinning that was not supposed to spin (like a work piece getting stuck in a drill)?
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Crap - Literal, or expression of "Oh no!"?
Clink - Metal on metal?
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Caesarachilles

Is the first "whoosh." the same sound as the second "whosh."? Yes. Are they made by the same thing? No. Is either one of them air whooshing? Yes.

Is the click a firearm?No. a lock? No, but OTRT.

Are all three "whir"s the same sound from the same thing? Yes.

Is the speaker of "Crap!" HAM? Yes to all. Is the speaker of "Oh no!" HAM? Yes/Yes/No. Does the same person say both phrases? No. Is anyone besides the person(s) speaking involved? No. 1 more? 2+ more? 5+ more? 10+? 20+? 50+? 100+? See above.

Is the "WHIRRRRR!" made by the same thing as the previous whirring thing(s)? Yes. Is it the same sound? Yes. Is it the same sound just louder? Yes.

Is the thud a body hitting the ground? Yes. Some other object hitting the ground? No.

Is this true story well-known? No Has this true story been made into a movie? No. A book? No. A children's TV series? No.

Title relevant? Yes. "2x" is "two times" or "two of"? This. "You" is me? Some generic person? This. You?

Galfisk

Is the first "whoosh" a rush of air? Water? Hydraulic/pneumatic equipment operating? something moving quickly through the air? This. Is the second "whosh" any of the above? {See above.}

Is drilling involved? No. Is the "WHIRRRRR!" something spinning that was not supposed to spin (like a work piece getting stuck in a drill)? No.

Deathateaster

Crap - Literal No., or expression of "Oh no!"? Yes.
Clink - Metal on metal? No.
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Did the object that went "whoosh" at the beginning hit something (e.g. a button) that caused the "click"? that set the "whir" into motion?

Were the "crap" and "oh no" in response to observing the "whooshing" object? the "whirring" object? both? neither?
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Did the object that went "whoosh" at the beginning hit something Yes. (e.g. a button Not this.) that caused the "click"? No. that set the "whir" into motion? No.

Were the "crap" and "oh no" in response to observing the "whooshing" object? No. the "whirring" object? Yope. both? No. neither? See above.
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Is the "WHIRRRRR!" louder because the whirring object is closer? Or because it's being louder? Or the sound is amplified somehow?
Is the "click" a switch? Lever? Does it activate the whirring object? Or let it loose/set it free?
Is the "clink" related to the "click"? Is someone killed?
Location relevant? Time period? Is what happens deliberate, or an accident? If it's an accident, is it caused by equipment failure/malfunction, or human error? Does it happen in a factory? On a ship? Oil rig? Construction site?
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That's a great idea, sounds really interesting! Clap, clap.

Is any of the sounds a trigger? Shooting involved? If so, real shooting or some sort of simulation?

One-armed bandits?

Is a situation involved when someone is trying to do the same thing twice. The first attempt does not give the expected reason, the second attempt does and the effect is somehow stronger than expected.

The "thud" - is it coming from the male saying "crap"? THe female saying "oh no"? A third person?
Is the "thudding" person dead? Has he/she been hit by something?
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Galfisk

Is the "WHIRRRRR!" louder because the whirring object is closer? No. Or because it's being louder? Yes. Or the sound is amplified somehow? No.
Is the "click" a switch? No. Lever? No. Does it activate the whirring object? No. Or let it loose/set it free? No.
Is the "clink" related to the "click"? No. Is someone killed? No.
Location relevant? yes. Time period? Only to the extent of it is present day. Is what happens deliberate, or an accident? This. If it's an accident, is it caused by equipment failure/malfunction, or human error? This. Does it happen in a factory? On a ship? Oil rig? Construction site? None of these.

Alhucema

That's a great idea, sounds really interesting! Clap, clap. Applaud Caesarachilles, it was originally his idea for a puzzle form.

Is any of the sounds a trigger? No. Shooting involved? No. If so, real shooting or some sort of simulation? No.

One-armed bandits? No.

Is a situation involved when someone is trying to do the same thing twice. No. The first attempt does not give the expected reason, the second attempt does and the effect is somehow stronger than expected. No.

The "thud" - is it coming from the male saying "crap"? THe female saying "oh no"? A third person? what do you mean "coming from"?
Is the "thudding" person dead? Yes. Has he/she been hit by something? No.
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So "2x 6 of 6" means "2 of 6 of 6"? Is there a reason why the first "of" was represented by an "x" but the second was an "of"?

Is the political geography (countries, continents, etc.) relevant? Is the physical geography relevant? Weather relevant?

Or is the location relevant on a small scale? In a certain kind of building? At a certain kind of facility?

Does this take place indoors? Or outdoors?
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I meant whether the "thud" sound was caused by the falling body of the M or F speaking in the puzzle statement, or by that of a third person.
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If nobody's killed, but the "thud" is from a dead body, then it must have already been dead. Is this correct? Is the whirring from something spinning? If so, something winding/unwinding? Or a motor?
Did the dead person fall from a height? Or just fall over/collapse? Does something in addition to that person hit the ground? Cranes or other lifting equipment relevant?
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First off i would like to apologize, i put the word "killed" in the context of "murdered", which is false. However some one did die. Again sorry about that.

Noel

So "2x 6 of 6" means "2 of 6 of 6"? Yesish, i think this is right which is why there is an "ish". Is there a reason why the first "of" was represented by an "x" but the second was an "of"? Yes.

Is the political geography (countries, continents, etc.) relevant? No. Is the physical geography relevant? Yes. Weather relevant? No, so i will say its a clear sunny day.

Or is the location relevant on a small scale? Yes In a certain kind of building? No. At a certain kind of facility? No.

Does this take place indoors? No. Or outdoors? Yes.

Alhucema

I meant whether the "thud" sound was caused by the falling body of the M or F speaking in the puzzle statement, or by that of a third person. Caused by the Male.

Galfisk

If nobody's killed, but the "thud" is from a dead body, then it must have already been dead. Is this correct? Sorry see correction above. However all questions answered after this point are still relevant even with the incorrect assumptions that some of them may have been based off of. Is the whirring from something spinning? No. If so, something winding/unwinding? No. Or a motor?
Did the dead person fall from a height? Yes. Or just fall over/collapse? No. Does something in addition to that person hit the ground? Yes. Cranes or other lifting equipment relevant? Yes, but not cranes.
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Aircraft relevant? Elevators?
Can we call the man Jimmy and the woman Helen?
Was the whirring sound caused by a motor or not? Is Jimmy going up/down in some sort of lift, it malfunctions and crashes to the ground? Is his death caused by hitting the ground? Or is he dead when he falls?
Amusement rides/amusement parks relevant?
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Did this happen at a: Mountain? Desert? Water body? Hills? Prairie? Plateau? Canyon? Forest? On an island?
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Were any, some or all of the sounds recorded in any way? Like Galfisk i'm thinking Aircraft? Is this a blackbox recording by any chance?
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Galfisk

Aircraft relevant? No. Elevators? No.
Can we call the man Jimmy and the woman Helen? Sure.
Was the whirring sound caused by a motor or not? No. Is Jimmy going up/down in some sort of lift, it malfunctions and crashes to the ground? Yesish. Is his death caused by hitting the ground? Yes. Or is he dead when he falls? No.
Amusement rides/amusement parks relevant? No.

Noel

Did this happen at a: Mountain? Desert? Water body? Hills? This. Prairie? Plateau? Canyon? Forest? On an island?

Peter365

Were any, some or all of the sounds recorded in any way? No. Like Galfisk i'm thinking Aircraft? No, Is this a blackbox recording by any chance? No. That would make a great puzzle thought.
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Sports relevant? Winter sports? Racing?
Is Jimmy operating a machine? Lift? Does something fall over? Snap? Break? Come loose? Get stuck? Is the whirring from something vibrating?
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Is it relevant what Jimmy and Helen are doing out in the hills? Do they live there? Are they at their house? Are they hiking? Rock climbing? Skiing?

Is it relevant what relation Jimmy and Helen have with each other? Family? Friends? Significant Others?

Does the 2x refer to the fact that there are two people? Indirectly?
Does "6 of 6" refer to "page 6 of 6"? Not that, but something similar (item X of X possible/total items)? Is 6 a dimension? Is it a measurement (i.e., in inches, mm, etc.). Is it a count? Is it an identifier (as in, Model #6)?

Also, I know we already assumed that since Helen is not male, she must be female, but I would just like to check, is this correct? Is it relevant that they (Jimmy and Helen) are different genders? Or is it like that just because you felt like it?
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Are they on top of a hill? Part way up? In a valley?
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Galfisk

Sports relevant? Yes. Winter sports? No. Racing? No.
Is Jimmy operating a machine? No. Lift? No. Does something fall over? No. Snap? No. Break? No. Come loose? No. Get stuck? No. Is the whirring from something vibrating? No.

Caesarachilles

Is it relevant what Jimmy and Helen are doing out in the hills? Yes. Do they live there? No. Are they at their house? No. Are they hiking? No. Rock climbing? Yes. Skiing? No.

Is it relevant what relation Jimmy and Helen have with each other? Family? Friends? This. Significant Others?

Does the 2x refer to the fact that there are two people? Two of something but not people. Indirectly? No.
Does "6 of 6" refer to "page 6 of 6"? No. Not that, but something similar (item X of X possible/total items)? No. Is 6 a dimension? Yes. Is it a measurement (i.e., in inches, mm, etc.)? Which "6" Is it a count? See above. Is it an identifier (as in, Model #6)? See above.

Also, I know we already assumed that since Helen is not male, she must be female, but I would just like to check, is this correct? Yes. Is it relevant that they (Jimmy and Helen) are different genders? No. Or is it like that just because you felt like it? Because that is the story.

Noel

Are they on top of a hill? This. Part way up? In a valley?
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Is Jimmy climbing? And falls to his death (thud)?
Is Helen belaying?

Does the click have to do with the equipment that the belayer uses to help hold the rope if the climber falls? (the little metal thing the rope feeds through - I can NEVER remember the name). Does that thing break?

Is the click a carabiner breaking? A carabiner being attached to something? A support that was anchored into the rock wall?

Did Jimmy make a mistake? Helen? Or did equipment just fail?

Is the WHIRRR the rope falling fast? Are the first whirs the sound of the rope as someone comes down normally from their climb?

Is the clink a piece of climbing equipment hitting the ground?
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Is Jimmy climbing? No. And falls to his death (thud)? Yes.
Is Helen belaying? No.

Does the click have to do with the equipment that the belayer uses to help hold the rope if the climber falls? Yes (the little metal thing the rope feeds through - I can NEVER remember the name) I believe your talking about a belay device,(also known as an ATC. Does that thing break? No.

Is the click a carabiner breaking? No. A carabiner being attached to something? Yes. A support that was anchored into the rock wall? No.

Did Jimmy make a mistake? Yes. Helen? Yes. Or did equipment just fail? No

Is the WHIRRR the rope falling fast? Yope. Are the first whirs the sound of the rope as someone comes down normally from their climb? Yesish.

Is the clink a piece of climbing equipment hitting the ground? Yope.
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Is Helen climbing? Is either of them rappelling?
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Is Helen climbing? No. Is either of them rappelling? Yes.
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Is Helen rappelling? Is Jimmy?
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Is Helen rappelling? No. Is Jimmy? Yes.
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Is Helen on the ground? On top of the hill? Did Helen connect the rope to Jimmy? Did she connect it correctly? Was Jimmy connected to the rope when he fell? Did Helen get injured?
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Is Helen on the ground? No. On top of the hill? Yes. Did Helen connect the rope to Jimmy? No. Did she connect it correctly? Though she did not connect it, it was connected correctly. Was Jimmy connected to the rope when he fell? Yes. Did Helen get injured? No.
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Is the WHIRRRRR! from the rope passing through the belay?
Is the clink from somethink metal hitting the ground? but no climbing equipment?
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Is the "whoosh" a gust of wind? Did it knock Jimmy off some kind of ledge or foothold?
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Is the (first? second?) whoosh the sound of rope falling?
Is the mistake made before Jimmy begins his descent? During the descent? Are there multiple mistakes? Is the mistake neglecting doing something, doing something incorrectly, or doing something that shouldn't have been done?
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Tommyp

Is the WHIRRRRR! from the rope passing through the belay? Yope.
Is the clink from somethink metal hitting the ground? No. but no climbing equipment? No.

Biograd

Is the "whoosh" a gust of wind? No. Did it knock Jimmy off some kind of ledge or foothold? See above.

Galfisk

Is the (first? second?) whoosh the sound of rope falling? first -Yes, second -No
Is the mistake made before Jimmy begins his descent? Yes. During the descent? Yes, though less so. Are there multiple mistakes? To an extent Yes. Is the mistake neglecting doing something Yes., doing something incorrectly No., or doing something that shouldn't have been done?No.
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Is the second "whosh" Jimmy falling through the air? Is the "clink" something snapping? Locking? Hitting the cliff wall (is he descending a cliff wall)?
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Is the second "whosh" Jimmy falling through the air? Yes. Is the "clink" something snapping? No. Locking? No. Hitting the cliff wall (is he descending a cliff wall Yes.)? Yes.

Might i recommend a recap so you can see everything you know in one place.
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Yes, recap please.
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RECAP:

Jimmy and Helen are standing at the top of a cliff, Jimmy is about to rapel down. Something is neglected during the preparations, and a mistake is made during the descent (would the mistake not have been fatal, had the preparations been done correctly?), which leads to Jimmy falling to his death.

Sounds of the event:

whoosh - rapelling rope/ropes is thrown down the cliff

click. - Belay device attached to rope? Climber attached to device? (I don't know enough about these devices)

whir, whir, whir. - sound made when rapelling?

"Crap!" - Jimmy exclaims, when something goes wrong

"Oh no!" - Helen sees what happens

WHIRRRRR! - ? Not familiar enough with the device(s) to make a proper guess, but I'm guessing by now Jimmy is falling along the rope at increasing speed? Is the sound from rope passing quickly through the device? Trough something else? Jimmy sliding along the rope? Rope slipping through his fingers?

clink. - piece of equipment hitting the cliff wall. Is this equipment free falling? Attached to rope that swings into the wall?

whosh. - Jimmy falling freely through the air.

thud. - Jimmy hits the ground below and is killed by the impact.
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Posted on Wednesday, October 14, 2009 - 8:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

RECAP:

Jimmy and Helen are standing at the top of a cliff, Jimmy is about to rapel down. Something is neglected during the preparations, and a mistake is made during the descent (would the mistake not have been fatal, had the preparations been done correctly? /b{Yes.}), which leads to Jimmy falling to his death. All correct.

Sounds of the event:

whoosh - rapelling rope/ropes is thrown down the cliff Correct.

click. - Belay device attached to rope? Climber attached to device? This, though its unimportant aside from the fact that its connection created the sound (I don't know enough about these devices)

whir, whir, whir. - sound made when rapelling?
b{Yes. Would be the sound of the rope sliding through the belay device, theres lots of friction so it makes this sound}

"Crap!" - Jimmy exclaims, when something goes wrong Yes.

"Oh no!" - Helen sees what happens Yes.

WHIRRRRR! - ? Not familiar enough with the device(s) to make a proper guess, but I'm guessing by now Jimmy is falling along the rope at increasing speed? Yope. Is the sound from rope passing quickly through the device? Yope. Trough something else? Yes. Though this is climbing specific so i will tell you because you asked the right question. It is the rope passing though the anchor point at the top of the cliff, which would probably be to carabiners. Jimmy sliding along the rope? No. Rope slipping through his fingers? No.

clink. - piece of equipment hitting the cliff wall. Is this equipment free falling? Attached to rope that swings into the wall? This. It is actually the carabiners that are part of the anchor at the top.

whosh. - Jimmy falling freely through the air. Yes.

thud. - Jimmy hits the ground below and is killed by the impact. Yes.

All looks good, but i will give you a hint because i said in the beginning that you wouldn't need any specific knowledge (though you will need some problem solving skills and a little common sense. A rappel after a climb is set up by creating an anchor (or by using an preexisting anchor like chains bolted into the cliff). You then take your climbing rope and pass half of it through the anchor point so you are left with both free ends hanging down toward the ground. With both ends of rope parallel to each other you pass load the strands in to your belay device and begin descending. Once you reach the bottom you can then just pull on one end of your rope to get it to slide through the anchor at the top that way you don't leave your rope behind (ropes are expensive). So your not tempted to look online at setups i have provided sites with decent pictures to give you and idea of what an anchor setup looks like and a loaded belay device.
Anchors
http://www.uoregon.edu/~opp/climbing/topics/anchors.html
Belay device setup
http://library.thinkquest.org/13779/equipment/desc/belay.shtml
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Posted on Sunday, October 18, 2009 - 11:37 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the mistake while he is descending that he runs out of rope (i.e., one of the halves that is passing through the belay device reaches the end, such that only one strand of rope is actually holding him)?

Would not having made the mistake in the anchor have made the rappelling mistake non-fatal by itself? or would it have given Helen a way to compensate for it?
Flemsneezy (Flemsneezy)
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Posted on Monday, October 19, 2009 - 12:21 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the mistake while he is descending that he runs out of rope (i.e., one of the halves that is passing through the belay device reaches the end, such that only one strand of rope is actually holding him)? Yes. This is what i was looking for

Would not having made the mistake in the anchor have made the rappelling mistake non-fatal by itself? there was no mistake in the anchor, but Helen could have compensated the problem is some way. or would it have given Helen a way to compensate for it?
Flemsneezy (Flemsneezy)
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Posted on Monday, October 19, 2009 - 12:37 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

and so...

***************Spoilers***************
A a man and his girlfriend went rick climbing. The man was a regular climber and knew all his stuff. His girlfriend was new. They made a climb and set up their rappel for returning to the ground. The man slid the rope through the anchor and tossed the ends over the edge. One of the ends caught a rock or branch on its way down so the end were not even. When the man started his rappel he rappelled off one of the ends or rope and fell to his death. As the story goes the man was actaully able to catch the end the passed through his belay device and held on to it for about a minute before he lost his grip and fell. During this time the woman could, if she had not panicked, used a ropelet (a small loop of rope) to tie a knot called a prussik around the main rope and clip it through the anchor, this would have stop the rope from sliding through and saved the man. This all climbers should have 2 ropelets on their harness at all times for quick access and the ropelet is commonly made from 6 ft of 6 mm rope (hence the name of the puzzle 2x 6 of 6). However the simplest of all fixes to this situation is the mistake that was made in the set up. If the man had tied just basic overhand knots in the ends of the rope before tossing it over the edge, the ends of the rope would have not been able to pass through his belay device and he would not have died. Random fact of the day, the #1 cause of death in rock climbing is rappelling off the end of your rope. Thanks for puzzling!

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