| Author | Message | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4865 Registered: 8-2001 |
A teacher would usually have to be a conceited fool to think, if this student thinks well of me, he's probably a better student than if he thinks badly of me. But when Lilia thought this, she had a good reason. How come? | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 421 Registered: 5-2009 |
Is Lilia a school teacher? university teacher? teacher in adult education? Relevant? "Thinking well" in which way? General sympathy? Appreciation of professional conduct or achievments? Considering her to be morally good? Does Lilia think the student has good reason to think well of her? Not to think well of her? Does Lilia expect to find out about how the student thinks of her? Relevant? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4867 Registered: 8-2001 |
Markobr (Markobr) New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 421 Registered: 5-2009 Posted on Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 11:29 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is Lilia a school teacher? probably not below high schooluniversity teacher? possiblyteacher in adult education? dittoRelevant? yes "Thinking well" in which way? General sympathy? noAppreciation of professional conduct yes or achievments no? Considering her to be morally good no? Does Lilia think the student has good reason to think well of her? irrel Not to think well of her? ditto Does Lilia expect to find out about how the student thinks of her? no Relevant? yesish | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 425 Registered: 5-2009 |
Professional conduct: Something specific Lilia did? Is doing regularly? Something Lilia did/is doing specifically related to the student in question? Something which makes life easier for the student? Harder? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1623 Registered: 5-2003 |
Does it have something to do with the subject Lilia teaches? How she teaches it? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 263 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is there one specific student, or her students in general? If one, would it work with her other students? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4869 Registered: 8-2001 |
Markobr (Markobr) New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 425 Registered: 5-2009 Posted on Friday, October 23, 2009 - 11:31 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Professional conduct: Something specific Lilia did? noish Is doing regularly? yes Something Lilia did/is doing specifically related to the student in question? noSomething which makes life easier for the student? yope Harder? yope Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo) New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1623 Registered: 5-2003 Posted on Sunday, October 25, 2009 - 2:59 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Does it have something to do with the subject Lilia teaches?yope How she teaches it? yes Galfisk (Galfisk) New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 263 Registered: 9-2009 Posted on Sunday, October 25, 2009 - 3:13 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is there one specific student, or her students in general? one If one, would it work with her other students? it could work with more than one but it's very unlikely that it would work with all her students | ||
| Tommyp (Tommyp)
New member Username: Tommyp Post Number: 392 Registered: 3-2004 |
"if this student thinks well of me, he's probably a better student" - should that be interpreted as that Lila thought the student thinking well of her would *make* him a better student? or that if he *is* "a better student" he would think well of Lila? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4870 Registered: 8-2001 |
Tommyp (Tommyp) New member Username: Tommyp Post Number: 392 Registered: 3-2004 Posted on Monday, October 26, 2009 - 12:18 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) "if this student thinks well of me, he's probably a better student" - should that be interpreted as that Lila thought the student thinking well of her would *make* him a better student? noor that if he *is* "a better student" he would think well of Lila? yope. Neither is quite right, but the second interpretation is closer. | ||
| Amosoya (Amosoya)
New member Username: Amosoya Post Number: 15 Registered: 10-2009 |
Do Lilia and the student have a relationship in addition to the teacher-student relationship? If so, a familial relationship? A therapist-patient relationship? Is Lilia teaching a skill? Does she teach coping skills? Is her reason for thinking as she does primarily a product of her own behaviors? Or is her reason for thinking so more about her student's behaviors? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4871 Registered: 8-2001 |
Amosoya (Amosoya) New member Username: Amosoya Post Number: 15 Registered: 10-2009 Posted on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 8:16 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Do Lilia and the student have a relationship in addition to the teacher-student relationship? no If so, a familial relationship? A therapist-patient relationship? Is Lilia teaching a skill? possibly Does she teach coping skills? no. (What are "coming skills"? Can they be taught?) Is her reason for thinking as she does primarily a product of her own behaviors? no Or is her reason for thinking so more about her student's behaviors? yes | ||
| Amosoya (Amosoya)
New member Username: Amosoya Post Number: 48 Registered: 10-2009 |
lol I think you misread something. | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4873 Registered: 8-2001 |
Amosoya (Amosoya) New member Username: Amosoya Post Number: 48 Registered: 10-2009 Posted on Friday, October 30, 2009 - 8:02 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) lol I think you misread something. No, I miswrote something. 'Coming' was a typo; I really was asking what "coping skills" are & whether they can be taught. | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 943 Registered: 7-2001 |
so Lilia is a teacher. She has one student about whom it was correct for her to think, 'if this particular student thinks well of how I teach then he/she is actually a better student than if he/she has a poor opinion of how I teach' - correct? the student - male? female? irrel? are any of these relevant about the student - his race? his nationality? his age? his health? the language he speaks? his academic ability? his intelligence? his politics? his family background? his wealth? the amount of effort he puts into his work? the number of hours he works? his romantic relationships? are any of the same things relevant about Lilia? is it relevant what subject she teaches? is there aomething about the student that means he needs to be taught in a particular way? in an unusual way? does he have different needs to the other students? if he thought well of her teaching would that imply that he is intelligent? hardworking? imaginative? compassionate? discerning? is she actually teaching well? relevant? is there something about the student that makes it more difficult to teach him? more demanding? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4881 Registered: 8-2001 |
Kdoc (Kdoc) New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 943 Registered: 7-2001 Posted on Saturday, October 31, 2009 - 10:13 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) so Lilia is a teacher. She has one student about whom it was correct for her to think, 'if this particular student thinks well of how I teach then he/she is actually a better student than if he/she has a poor opinion of how I teach' - correct? yes the student - male?irrelfemale? irrel irrel? yes are any of these relevant about the student - his race? no, no his nationality?yope, yope his age? no. nohis health? no, no the language he speaks? yes, yeshis academic ability? yope, yope his intelligence? yesish, yesish his politics? no, nohis family background?yesish, possibly his wealth? no, nothe amount of effort he puts into his work? no, no the number of hours he works? no, nohis romantic relationships? no, no are any of the same things relevant about Lilia? First answers in each pair above are for the student, second answers are for Lilia is it relevant what subject she teaches? yes is there aomething about the student that means he needs to be taught in a particular way? no in an unusual way? no does he have different needs to the other students? no if he thought well of her teaching would that imply that he is intelligent? yes hardworking? unlikelyimaginative? nocompassionate? no--what would being compassionate have to do with being a good student, anyway? discerning? yesish is she actually teaching well? irrel relevant? no is there something about the student that makes it more difficult to teach him? no more demanding? no | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 946 Registered: 7-2001 |
is the main relevant factor about the student the language he speaks? the language he speaks in relation to the one Lilia speaks? do they have different first languages? does she teach science? languages? history? maths? geography? philosophy? art? music? English lit? english language? sports? is there some specific teaching method that is relevant here? an unusual method? is it correct to say that there is some factor about the student that is different to the other students? such that Lilia wouldn't be correct in thinking the same thing of them? if so - is that difference the language he speaks? his nationality? is the student related to Lilia in any way? connected in some way away from the classroom? is there any other relationship between them other than teacher - student that is relevant? does the student know something about her that the other students do not? is any other person relevant here? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4886 Registered: 8-2001 |
Kdoc (Kdoc) New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 946 Registered: 7-2001 Posted on Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 7:59 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) is the main relevant factor about the student the language he speaks? yope the language he speaks in relation to the one Lilia speaks? yopedo they have different first languages? possibly but not necessarily does she teach science? unlikely languages? possibly history? possibly maths? unlikely geography?dittophilosophy? She does! I'm Lilia! art? unlikely music? ditto English lit? She does! I teach that, too.english language? that would work best sports? no is there some specific teaching method that is relevant here? no an unusual method? no is it correct to say that there is some factor about the student that is different to the other students? yes such that Lilia wouldn't be correct in thinking the same thing of them? yes if so - is that difference the language he speaks? yope his nationality? no is the student related to Lilia in any way? just as a student connected in some way away from the classroom? nois there any other relationship between them other than teacher - student that is relevant? no does the student know something about her that the other students do not? no is any other person relevant here? no | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 948 Registered: 7-2001 |
is the relevant thing about the student the number of languages he speaks? or can understand? lots? is latin relevant? greek? is it true to say that he would be able to discern something about the quality of the teacher that the other students wouldn't? or would it be true to say that the other students would discern this thing but it wouldn't be a sign of their intelligence if they did? whereas it would be a sign of his intelligence if he did? might this student be able to spot something the teacher is doing badly? in a way that the other students cannot? so there is some aspect of this student that, if he were intelligent, would mean he could determine the quality of teaching? but if he were not intelligent, he would be less able to do so? and it is related in some way to the language(s) he speaks/understands? the relevant aspect of the teaching - assignments set? class discussion? set reading? quotations used? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4887 Registered: 8-2001 |
Kdoc (Kdoc) New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 948 Registered: 7-2001 Posted on Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 9:33 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) is the relevant thing about the student the number of languages he speaks? no or can understand? no lots? irrel is latin relevant? no greek? no is it true to say that he would be able to discern something about the quality of the teacher that the other students wouldn't? no or would it be true to say that the other students would discern this thing but it wouldn't be a sign of their intelligence if they did? no whereas it would be a sign of his intelligence if he did? no might this student be able to spot something the teacher is doing badly? see next answer in a way that the other students cannot? no so there is some aspect of this student that, if he were intelligent, would mean he could determine the quality of teaching? no but if he were not intelligent, he would be less able to do so? noand it is related in some way to the language(s) he speaks/understands? yope the relevant aspect of the teaching - assignments set? class discussion? set reading? quotations used? none of these is more relevant than any other | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 393 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is it the student's general attitude towards you that is relevant? His feelings/thoughs for or against you? Or is it something more specific? Like something he's writing? Saying? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4892 Registered: 8-2001 |
Galfisk (Galfisk) New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 393 Registered: 9-2009 Posted on Monday, November 02, 2009 - 11:52 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is it the student's general attitude towards you that is relevant? see later answersHis feelings/thoughs for or against you? ditto Or is it something more specific? yes Like something he's writing?possiblySaying? possibly | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 472 Registered: 5-2009 |
Is some utterance (spoken or written) of the student relevant? If so: Is it ambiguous? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4897 Registered: 8-2001 |
Markobr (Markobr) New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 472 Registered: 5-2009 Posted on Wednesday, November 04, 2009 - 7:38 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is some utterance (spoken or written) of the student relevant? yes If so: Is it ambiguous? yes. GOOOOOOOOOOD QUESTION!!!! | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 476 Registered: 5-2009 |
So the utterance has a reading which indicates that the student thinks well of his teacher and one which indicates he doesn't? And at the same time one reading shows that the student did understand something well? Or that he didn't understand something? As English language works best as a subject: Is one of the readings only possible if you assume the student made an error in grammar? Misunderstands a word? Or, the other way round: Is one reading only possible if you assume the student used a very sophisticated sentence structure? Uses a word in a correct but unusual way? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4899 Registered: 8-2001 |
Markobr (Markobr) New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 476 Registered: 5-2009 Posted on Wednesday, November 04, 2009 - 11:20 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) So the utterance has a reading which indicates that the student thinks well of his teacher and one which indicates he doesn't? yesAnd at the same time one reading shows that the student did understand something well? yesOr that he didn't understand something? yes As English language works best as a subject: Is one of the readings only possible if you assume the student made an error in grammar? noMisunderstands a word? yes Or, the other way round: Is one reading only possible if you assume the student used a very sophisticated sentence structure? no Uses a word in a correct but unusual way? I hope that the correct way has not become unusual! | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 477 Registered: 5-2009 |
So are we looking for a certain sentence the student uttered? And for a word in this sentence which has two readings? One of them is correct, the other incorrect but plausible enough to be taken into account? Is the word in question (if used correctly) a noun? verb? adjective? adverb? article? pronoun? preposition? conjunction? other particle? interjection? name? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4902 Registered: 8-2001 |
Markobr (Markobr) New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 477 Registered: 5-2009 Posted on Wednesday, November 04, 2009 - 11:59 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) So are we looking for a certain sentence the student uttered? yes, or wrote And for a word in this sentence which has two readings? yesOne of them is correct, the other incorrect but plausible enough to be taken into account? yes Is the word in question (if used correctly) a noun? verb? adjective? adverb? article? pronoun? preposition? conjunction? other particle? interjection? name? adjective | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 487 Registered: 5-2009 |
Did he use the adjective to describe his teacher? The lessons? Can the origin of the adjective (if used correctly) be traced back to Latin? Greek? A Celtic language? Or is it Germanic? | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 1079 Registered: 7-2009 |
was it "ingenious"? Where a good student would think it meant what it really means, But poor students tend to think it means "not genious"? If not "ingenious," is it another word with a potentially misleading prefix? with a potentially misleading suffix? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4903 Registered: 8-2001 |
Markobr (Markobr) New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 487 Registered: 5-2009 Posted on Thursday, November 05, 2009 - 10:41 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Did he use the adjective to describe his teacher? yes The lessons? possibly Can the origin of the adjective (if used correctly) be traced back to Latin? Greek? A Celtic language? Or is it Germanic? I'm not sure biut I bet it's Latin Noel (Noel) New member Username: Noel Post Number: 1079 Registered: 7-2009 Posted on Friday, November 06, 2009 - 1:09 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) was it "ingenious"? no Where a good student would think it meant what it really means, But poor students tend to think it means "not genious"? If not "ingenious," is it another word with a potentially misleading prefix? yes with a potentially misleading suffix? no | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 1091 Registered: 7-2009 |
Was the prefix "in"? an? a? un? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4908 Registered: 8-2001 |
Noel (Noel) New member Username: Noel Post Number: 1091 Registered: 7-2009 Posted on Monday, November 09, 2009 - 12:42 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Was the prefix "in"? no an? no a? noun? no | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 506 Registered: 5-2009 |
Was the prefix: anti? ante? ex? de? inter? intra? ab? non? re? pre? counter? ab? con? post? for? fore? per? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4909 Registered: 8-2001 |
Markobr (Markobr) New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 506 Registered: 5-2009 Posted on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 - 10:32 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Was the prefix: anti? ante? ex? de? inter? intra? ab? non? re? pre? counter? ab? con? post? for? fore? per? No to all!! | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 950 Registered: 7-2001 |
disinterested/uninterested? did the student describe you as disinterested - which would probably be a good thing in many teaching situations? but if he was actually using the word incorrectly to mean 'uninterested' it would not be so complimentary? If not that - something like that? so the student used a word to describe the teacher's teaching that - if he had used it in it's true correct meaning would have meant a compliment? but if used in an incorrect way would not have meant a compliment? it this word more usually used in the incorrect way? would the correct use of the word by this student just have shown that his grasp of English is good? good for someone who's first language is not english? because a poorer english speaker would have used the word thinking it had the incorrect 'non-complimentary' meaning? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 4910 Registered: 8-2001 |
Kdoc (Kdoc) New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 950 Registered: 7-2001 Posted on Wednesday, November 11, 2009 - 4:35 pm: disinterested/uninterested? did the student describe you as disinterested - which would probably be a good thing in many teaching situations Yes. Good in ALL teaching situations, I think. In what situation could it be bad? but if he was actually using the word incorrectly to mean 'uninterested' it would not be so complimentary? yes ************* SPOILER ************************ When one of Lilla's students mentioned her "disinterested attitude," she figured that the better a student he was, the more likely he would be to know that 'disinterested' means ' impartial (& hence to be praising her) & the worse a student he was, the more likely he would be to think that 'disinterested' means 'uninterested' (& hence to be criticizing her). Obviously, Clever Hannah would fall in the first category. Please don't be UNinterested in my new puzzle, which is about to appear at the bottom of the page. |
