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Sarita resented having her children railroad her into a nursing home, but when they told her she was lucky to be there, she admitted (although just to herself) that they were right. How come?
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Am I right in assuming that readers of your poems would know this situation? if so - I shall bow out at this point...
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Am I right in assuming that readers of your poems would know this situation? if so - I shall bow out at this point... Yes--I should have warned you
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Where can I find your poems? I like opems and also write some on occasion. I promise not to peek before this puzzle is solved (:
Was she lucky to be in a nursing home at all? Or specifically this nursing home? "Railroad" = "force" or does it have another/additional meaning? They=her children? All of them? Did they tell her anything besides that she was lucky to be there?
Was she lucky because: they had worked hard to get her there? They had sacrificed? The alternative would be much worse?
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Where can I find your poems? If you google my name & "The Providence Journal," you'll find about 10, but you'll also find a lot of op-ed columns. If you google my name & "English Studies Forum," you'll find one. You might also google my name with each of these words or phrases (separately!) "Rose and Blue," "Carolyn Colby" "Henrietta," "How Thrilled," "Mrs. Mueller," "Daffodils" "Raven." I like opems and also write some on occasion. Where can I see yours? I promise not to peek before this puzzle is solved (:
Was she lucky to be in a nursing home at all? yesOr specifically this nursing home?especially lucky to be in this one "Railroad" = "force" or does it have another/additional meaning? forceThey=her children? yes All of them? irrel. The poem actually just mentions a daughter. Did they tell her anything besides that she was lucky to be there? irrel
Was she lucky because: they had worked hard to get her there? no They had sacrificed? noThe alternative would be much worse? yesish
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Was she lucky because it would be better to be in the nursing home than in her own? Than under the care of her children?
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Did she have misconception(s) about the home before she went there?
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Was she actually lucky to be there? or did it just appear to her to be this way?
Was she lucky not to be at home? at this moment?
Would something bad have happened to her if she had stayed at home?
Did she live at home with her children? Alone?
with somebody else?
Did her children have family? relevant?
Did she meet a former friend/acquaintance/lover in the nursing home?
Relevant that it's the mother of the children? would the puzzle also work if it was the father? an aunt? an uncle? some other relative the children used to live with?
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Was she lucky because it would be better to be in the nursing home than in her own? no Than under the care of her children? no
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Did she have misconception(s) about the home before she went there? no
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Was she actually lucky to be there? or did it just appear to her to be this way?
Was she lucky not to be at home? no at this moment? no
Would something bad have happened to her if she had stayed at home? no
Did she live at home with her children?no> With this & the next 2 questions, I assume you mean, right before entering the nursing home. Of course, she lived with her children while they were growing up} Alone? yes
with somebody else?no
Did her children have family?In the poem, her daughter had children, but this isn't really relevant relevant?see previous answer
Did she meet a former friend/acquaintance/lover in the nursing home? no
Relevant that it's the mother of the children? no would the puzzle also work if it was the father? yesan aunt? yes an uncle? yessome other relative the children used to live with? yes
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Did something happen at the nursing home that was in some way fortuitous for Sarita?

Did she meet someone there?
Did she learn something there she wouldn't have otherwise?
Did she win something?

Is her health relevant?
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Did something happen at the nursing home that was in some way fortuitous for Sarita no

Did she meet someone there? irrel
Did she learn something there she wouldn't have otherwise? no
Did she win something? no

Is her health relevant? only insofar as it was the reason for being in the nursing home in the first place
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You can find my poems on http://sataci.googlepages.com - click on "Åke Malmgren poems". Some are in English, the rest in Norwegian and Swedish. The page layout is kind of screwed up at the moment but they're still readable.

You appear to have missed a couple of Sundowner's questions.

Was the lucky part: that she was staying there at the moment? That she got there in the first place? That she would be staying there in the future? That she wasn't where she would've been otherwise?
Important why she only admitted it to herself? Relevant why she resented it?
Someone else relevant besides her and the relatives who put her there? Did they put her there for reasons besides her health?
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Was she actually lucky to be there? yesor did it just appear to her to be this way? no

You appear to have missed a couple of Sundowner's questions. Rectified (above), with my apologies

Was the lucky part: that she was staying there at the moment? yes That she got there in the first place? yes That she would be staying there in the future? yes That she wasn't where she would've been otherwise? yes
Important why she only admitted it to herself? yes Relevant why she resented it? no, she resented it for the same reason most people would
Someone else relevant besides her and the relatives who put her there? yes Did they put her there for reasons besides her health?Isn't that almos always the case?
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noob alert...

did she feel lucky because otherwise (if not in the nursing home), she might have to live with/be cared for by someone undesirable or dangerous to her? if so, a relative? one of her children/her child? her husband?
does she feel lucky for a different reason than her children would indicate? i.e., they think she was lucky to get a spot in the home, but she's silently lucky because she's acquired sanctuary, or some other subtle benefit?
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Money relevant? More than one other person relevant? Spouse? Other relative(s)? Relevant what happened to her home? Possessions? Would it have worked if she lived right next to the nursing home before?
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noob alert...

did she feel lucky because otherwise (if not in the nursing home), she might have to live with/be cared for by someone undesirable or dangerous to her? yes if so, a relative? noone of her children/her child? no her husband? no
does she feel lucky for a different reason than her children would indicate? yesi.e., they think she was lucky to get a spot in the home, but she's silently lucky because she's acquired sanctuary, or some other subtle benefit? yesish
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Money relevant? no More than one other person relevant?yes Spouse? yes Other relative(s)? noRelevant what happened to her home? noPossessions? no Would it have worked if she lived right next to the nursing home before? yes
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Is Sarita's spouse relevant, or someone else's? If the former, is he her children's father? Is he still alive? If so, does he have any say in the decision to put Sarita into a nursing home? If not, did he, his death, memory, or something else connected to him have any influence over the decision to put Sarita into a nursing home?

Undesirable caretaker - a specific person? That Sarita knows? A general type of person, such as a nurse or volunteer? Is the gender of this person/people relevant?
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Is Sarita's spouse relevant yes, or someone else's? possib;y If the former, is he her children's father? irrelIs he still alive? noIf so, does he have any say in the decision to put Sarita into a nursing home? If not, did he, his death, memory, or something else connected to him have any influence over the decision to put Sarita into a nursing home? no

Undesirable caretaker - a specific person? no That Sarita knows? A general type of person yes, such as a nurse or volunteer? not either of thoise general types Is the gender of this person/people relevant? no
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HUGE HINT: Find out more about her family
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Lucky = fortunate? possessing luck (as in the kind you get from 4-leaf clovers and rabbits' feet)?

Time relevant? Location?

Her daughter (she only has one child, right?): (LTPF list of ages). Is her daughter's relationship status relevant? Professional status? Hobbies? Living quarters?

Relevant that we determine what Sarita's alternative accommodations would have been? Did Sarita and her family have the same alternative accommodations in mind?
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Lucky = fortunate? yes possessing luck (as in the kind you get from 4-leaf clovers and rabbits' feet)? see previous answer
no

Her daughter (she only has one child, right? irrel): (LTPF list of ages) irrel. Is her daughter's relationship status relevant? no Professional status? no Hobbies? no Living quarters? no

Relevant that we determine what Sarita's alternative accommodations would have been? yesDid Sarita and her family have the same alternative accommodations in mind? no
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The other alternatives of accomodation for Sarita: in her house? with her children? with other relatives? something else?
Is Sarita's physical condition relevant? does she need special care? medicine? medical supervision? a doctor or hospital nearby?
Is Sarita's spouse still alive? if yes: are they divorced? separated? if no: relevant how he died?
If Sarita's children have other reasons to put Sarita to a nursing home, do these reasons involve money? were the children afraid they could not do the nursing themselves? that it would be more expensive to pay a nurse who comes to Sarita's home? was the relationship between the children and Sarita somehow difficult? the relationship between the children and Sarita's spouse? do the children need the house themselves? taxes or fees relevant?
Does Sarita eventually feel that she's lucky to be in the nursing home because: she does not see what is going on at home? because it saves her some bad experience?
Has Sarita's spouse a leading role in getting her to the nursing home?
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The other alternatives of accomodation for Sarita: in her house? not the relevant onewith her children? dittowith other relatives? dittosomething else? yes
Is Sarita's physical condition relevant? only insofar as it means she can't live on alone on her owndoes she need special care? see previous answer medicine? ditto medical supervision? ditto a doctor or hospital nearby? ditto
Is Sarita's spouse still alive? no if yes: are they divorced? separated? if no: relevant how he died? yes
If Sarita's children have other reasons to put Sarita to a nursing home, do these reasons involve money? irrel were the children afraid they could not do the nursing themselves? orrelthat it would be more expensive to pay a nurse who comes to Sarita's home? irrelwas the relationship between the children and Sarita somehow difficult? irrelthe relationship between the children and Sarita's spouse? do the children need the house themselves? Irrel, but how could they need it more than she does?taxes or fees relevant? no
Does Sarita eventually feel that she's lucky to be in the nursing home because: she does not see what is going on at home? nobecause it saves her some bad experience? yes
Has Sarita's spouse a leading role in getting her to the nursing home? no
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Did her spouse die before she went to the nursing home? While she was in the nursing home?
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Did her spouse die before she went to the nursing home? yes While she was in the nursing home? no
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Did the husband die from: disease? Accident? Poisoning? Would she had been at risk to die from the same thing, had she not gone to the nursing home?
Would she had been taken care of in her own home? By a specific person she didn't like?
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Did the husband die from: disease? no Accident? no Poisoning? possibly but not necessarily Would she had been at risk to die from the same thing, had she not gone to the nursing home? no
Would she had been taken care of in her own home? noBy a specific person she didn't like? no
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Did her husband die while living in a nursing home? Or at home? Did her husband have a similar condition before he died to what she has now? For example, did he have dementia and die because of a consequence some dementia-related behavior, and now she has dementia?

Is her husband's death relevant to understanding why she is lucky?
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Did her husband die while living in a nursing home? noOr at home? yes Did her husband have a similar condition before he died to what she has now? no For example, did he have dementia and die because of a consequence some dementia-related behavior no, and now she has dementia? no

Is her husband's death relevant to understanding why she is lucky? yes
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Did the undesirable caretaker have a role in her husband's death?
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Did the undesirable caretaker have a role in her husband's death?no
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Was her husband murdered? By Sarita?
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Was her husband murdered? yes By Sarita? yes
**** SPOILER**************
Here is a link to the poem that gives the solution.

http://www.projo.com/opinion/contributors/content/CT_felicia18_09-18-09_9OFC693_v8.3f8d6c1.html
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Hahaha, great punchline :D
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Hahaha, great punchline :DThanks. If you look at the online comments, you'll see that one reader actually thought it was autobiograhipical & that I was confessing to a real murder!!.

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