| Author | Message | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 4096 Registered: 12-2000 |
Another family's memory of their mother is the source for this puzzle. How did their mother use her hobby to deceive others? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 460 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is deception normally invovled in the hobby? Did she decieve them about: her wealth? Social standing? Did she get something from them? Did the hobby produce something tangible? Art relevant? Crafts? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 4098 Registered: 12-2000 |
Galfisk - welcome to my puzzle, I don't think we've met! Is deception normally invovled in the hobby? no Did she decieve them about: her wealth? Social standing? neither Did she get something from them? no Did the hobby produce something tangible? yes Art relevant? not really Crafts? this | ||
| Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg Post Number: 848 Registered: 8-2005 |
Was the deception about her or her children? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 4099 Registered: 12-2000 |
Martinfg - hi! Was the deception about her or her children? her | ||
| Quovynyte (Quovynyte)
New member Username: Quovynyte Post Number: 477 Registered: 6-2009 |
Did she want to deceive others? Her offspring involved? Anybody else involved? Is this a common hobby (tennis, cooking) Or one of those odder hobbys? (Setting fire to jellyfishes) If people say her doing this hobby would they be deceived? Would they know she was trying to deceive others? The "others" specific people? Is her profession relevant? Mother = HAF Alive and Breathing? Their = HAF/Ms Alive + Breathing or would they be children? Their father relevant? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 4100 Registered: 12-2000 |
Quovynyte -hi! Did she want to deceive others? yes Her offspring involved? no Anybody else involved? yes Is this a common hobby (tennis, cooking) yes, but not those Or one of those odder hobbys? (Setting fire to jellyfishes) nah If people say her doing this hobby would they be deceived? no Would they know she was trying to deceive others? no The "others" specific people? yes Is her profession relevant? no, but beware a false assumption Mother = HAF Alive and Breathing? 'mother' in this case refers to the lady who has just died Their = HAF/Ms Alive + Breathing or would they be children? her children have absolutely nothing to do with the incidents involved - their only involvement is sharing this titbit regarding their mother Their father relevant? no | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 4101 Registered: 12-2000 |
FYI - this puzzle and my other one (Meta Cheekiness) contain information that has come from the families of a couple of ladies who have recently died. The stories have been used in the eulogies at their funerals. | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 1096 Registered: 7-2009 |
Was the craft: Knitting? Crocheting? Another kind of needlework (e.g. cross stitch, embroidery, etc.)? Woodworking? Basket weaving? Textile dying? Sewing? Yarn spinning? Weaving? Rug hooking? Other? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 4102 Registered: 12-2000 |
Noel - hi! Was the craft: Knitting? Crocheting? Another kind of needlework (e.g. cross stitch, embroidery, etc.)? Woodworking? Basket weaving? Textile dying? Sewing? Yarn spinning? Weaving? Rug hooking? Other? knitting | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2281 Registered: 1-2007 |
Pregnancy relevant? Was she knitting baby clothes? | ||
| Yojimbo (Yojimbo)
New member Username: Yojimbo Post Number: 30 Registered: 11-2009 |
was the act of knitting the deception? was the result of knitting the deception? (as in, the object she knitted was for someone or something other than what her associates might assume?) did the deception rely upon knitting, or would some other craft have been effective? did she need to be knitting at all, to deceive in this puzzle? did she have a flask hidden in her knitting basket, among the yarn? discreetly engage in some other habit while knitting? is the deception intended to benefit some other party or parties? is it intended to hinder some other party or parties? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 4103 Registered: 12-2000 |
Peter - hi! Pregnancy relevant? Was she knitting baby clothes? no to both Yojimbo - hello! We definitely haven't met before Welcome to the LTPF was the act of knitting the deception? yes, no, I don't know - knitting had to be done, so yes was the result of knitting the deception? (as in, the object she knitted was for someone or something other than what her associates might assume?) no did the deception rely upon knitting, or would some other craft have been effective? some other crafts could achieve the same result, but knitting was an obvious choice in this case did she need to be knitting at all, to deceive in this puzzle? yes but there's a false assumption lurking did she have a flask hidden in her knitting basket, among the yarn? discreetly engage in some other habit while knitting? no to all is the deception intended to benefit some other party or parties? yes is it intended to hinder some other party or parties? no | ||
| Yojimbo (Yojimbo)
New member Username: Yojimbo Post Number: 35 Registered: 11-2009 |
Lynne; no, we haven't met -- I see you have been a new member for nine years; may all wear the white belt of the novice, eh? thank you for the welcome; nice place you got here -- plus, it's relentlessly rainy now, so I have been rather driven indoors... and knitting seems like a comforting thought, just now... [recap: her children are incidental/irrelevant to the puzzle, or FA?] but: is the deception from a time before she was a mother? continued after that? began after that? is that relevant? was she knitting something useful? a sock or sweater? an afghan, throw, scarf, shawl, blanket [LTPF list of knitted items! lol]... crafty keychains, or similar? was her knitting (the output) to be of benefit: to some other party? people she knew? sheep!? [still raining; all sorts of Qs might seep in...] a group of those she didn't know, such as unwed mothers? for a jumble sale (is that the term?)? for her church ladies group? for "charity" at all? of specific benefit to a specific person? ["this sweater for Seamus"] deception ongoing? a "habit," as in, habitual? one time? is mom's husband relevant? "deception" precede his passage, if she's a widow? knitting needles relevant? wool relevant (to this puzzle!)? other knitting accessories relevant? location/time/era relevant at all? did I skip past the FA? is FA still lurking? is it still raining? ohh, yes.;] | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 4105 Registered: 12-2000 |
Yojimbo - yes, in the world of lateral puzzles we are all new! And sailors took to knitting to ward off the rain and sea, so not a bad idea to get started with some pointy sticks and string. [recap: her children are incidental/irrelevant to the puzzle, or FA?] incidental and irrelevant as many children are, sigh ;-) but: is the deception from a time before she was a mother? YES - good question continued after that? no began after that? no is that relevant? yes was she knitting something useful? a sock or sweater? an afghan, throw, scarf, shawl, blanket [LTPF list of knitted items! lol]... crafty keychains, or similar? that wasn't stated, so the item itself was irrelevant was her knitting (the output) to be of benefit: to some other party? no idea, irrelevant people she knew? ditto sheep!? it may even have been acrylic![still raining; all sorts of Qs might seep in...] a group of those she didn't know, such as unwed mothers? nice thought, but irrelevant for a jumble sale (is that the term?)? for her church ladies group? probably not, considering the answer, but on the other hand, anything was possible for "charity" at all? ditto of specific benefit to a specific person? ["this sweater for Seamus"] possibly - lost in the annals of history. Irrelevant, again deception ongoing? for a while at least a "habit," as in, habitual? one time? assuredly more than once is mom's husband relevant? no "deception" precede his passage, if she's a widow?she was not a widow at the time of the deception knitting needles relevant? wool relevant (to this puzzle!)? other knitting accessories relevant? just needles and a work in progress location/time/era relevant at all? YES - good question, although we can go easy on the exact location as it was just local to where we are now did I skip past the FA? explore the good questions and the FA will fade away is FA still lurking? you're OTRT (on the right track) so it shouldn't last for much longer, hopefully) is it still raining? ohh, yes.;] sorry, beyond my remit | ||
| Yojimbo (Yojimbo)
New member Username: Yojimbo Post Number: 37 Registered: 11-2009 |
"may even have been acrylic": -- 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, etc? time: h/m/s relevant? m/d/y relevant? pattern of knitted items relevant? knitting peace signs into blankets? knitting other symbols? is the pattern relevant to the time/era? in other time/era, would deception be necessary/pertinent/relevant? anything criminal involved? anything "immoral" involved? secrets from the past? identities protected? sailors relevant? anything incidental to the act of knitting relevant? the sound of clicking needles? appearing to be knitting when actually sending discreet signals? helping someone cheat at cards? hiding things in one's knitting bag? | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 1098 Registered: 7-2009 |
Is she knitting at all? Or just pretending to knit? Is she using an incompletely knit item as an excuse to avoid doing something else? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 4106 Registered: 12-2000 |
Yojimbo "may even have been acrylic": -- 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, etc? 40s time: h/m/s relevant? time of day relevant m/d/y relevant? no pattern of knitted items relevant? knitting peace signs into blankets? knitting other symbols? no to all - the item itself is irrelevant is the pattern relevant to the time/era? no doubt it was, but irrelevant to the puzzle as I don't know what was on the needles in other time/era, would deception be necessary/pertinent/relevant? this situation takes place throughout all ages, but the details will vary anything criminal involved? no anything "immoral" involved? yes, quite probably secrets from the past? no identities protected? no sailors relevant? not sailors, but... anything incidental to the act of knitting relevant? the sound of clicking needles? noappearing to be knitting OTRT when actually sending discreet signals? but no to this helping someone cheat at cards? no hiding things in one's knitting bag? no good progress, but the FA is still lurking | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 4107 Registered: 12-2000 |
Noel - hello and welcome Is she knitting at all? NO - excellent Or just pretending to knit? YES Is she using an incompletely knit item as an excuse to avoid doing something else? no | ||
| Yojimbo (Yojimbo)
New member Username: Yojimbo Post Number: 38 Registered: 11-2009 |
soldiers relevant? when pretending to knit, is she actually deployed as if to knit? or does she merely say she's knitting? FA=that she was actually knitting? likely, I think: thanks, Noel | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 583 Registered: 6-2003 |
Did she deceive her spouse? children? other relatives? friends? strangers? Were the people who were the intended beneficiaries of the deception the same who were deceived? (like: they were tricked into doing something that turned out to be favorable for them?) Did the intended beneficiaries actually benefit? Not sure whether this was already asked: was she deceiving by pretending to knit? or was the pretended knitting some other part of the story? was she doing something else of relevance while pretending to knit? Was the pretended knitting an excuse for being in a place where she otherwise was not supposed to be? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 4111 Registered: 12-2000 |
Yojimbo soldiers relevant? yes when pretending to knit, is she actually deployed as if to knit? noish or does she merely say she's knitting? yessish FA=that she was actually knitting? part of the FA, there is still another leap to make | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 4112 Registered: 12-2000 |
Sundowner Did she deceive her spouse? children? other relatives? this friends? strangers? Were the people who were the intended beneficiaries of the deception the same who were deceived? (like: they were tricked into doing something that turned out to be favorable for them?) no Did the intended beneficiaries actually benefit? whoever her knitting was for, herself or someone else, did end up with an item Not sure whether this was already asked: was she deceiving by pretending to knit? this was her aim, yes or was the pretended knitting some other part of the story? except there is more to the story was she doing something else of relevance while pretending to knit? YES Was the pretended knitting an excuse for being in a place where she otherwise was not supposed to be? YES YES YES | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 4114 Registered: 12-2000 |
Public Announcement Three yesses don't make a spioler! Who was she deceiving? Where did she go? How exactly does the knitting fit into the story? | ||
| Yojimbo (Yojimbo)
New member Username: Yojimbo Post Number: 39 Registered: 11-2009 |
was she pretending to look out the window (or other; to be where she otherwise was not supposed to be, but -- inserting motive) to see something happen? Someone or some people or some thing to arrive? depart? Knitting was secondary (=FA?); her motive was to be where she otherwise shouldn't have been to do something else of relevance besides knitting? correct, I mean? did she go somewhere as part of the deception? was she deceiving H?A?M/F? was she deceiving her mother? father? other relative? some other "authority" (boss, teacher), future husband, other Ha?M/F? boy/girlfriend(s)? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 4115 Registered: 12-2000 |
Yojimbo was she pretending to look out the window (or other; to be where she otherwise was not supposed to be, but -- inserting motive) to see something happen? Someone or some people or some thing to arrive? depart? none of the above Knitting was secondary (=FA?); her motive was to be where she otherwise shouldn't have been to do something else of relevance besides knitting? yes, but her knitting was relevant to achieve this correct, I mean? did she go somewhere as part of the deception? YES was she deceiving H?A?M/F? was she deceiving her mother? father? other relative? some other "authority" (boss, teacher), future husband, other Ha?M/F? boy/girlfriend(s)? her father - no mention was made of her mother so I presume she wasn't around at the time, or didn't mind! | ||
| Yojimbo (Yojimbo)
New member Username: Yojimbo Post Number: 42 Registered: 11-2009 |
was she going to meet someone? if so, H?A?M/F? to be where something was happening (a communist party meeting, or other...)? was she going to work, or do some work, or do some other thing, of which her father disapproved? to work in a brothel? to panhandle or otherwise beg? wartime? WWII? was the knitting (the item or items) intended to represent that she had been doing something during the time she was where she otherwise wasn't supposed to be? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 4116 Registered: 12-2000 |
Yojimbo was she going to meet someone? YES if so, H?A?M/F? H YA M to be where something was happening possibly (a communist party meeting, or other...)? but nothing like that was she going to work, or do some work, or do some other thing, of which her father disapproved? yes, but not work to work in a brothel? no to panhandle or otherwise beg? no wartime? WWII? yes was the knitting (the item or items) intended to represent that she had been doing something during the time she was where she otherwise wasn't supposed to be? yes, but there is an important detail to be found here good progress | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 1104 Registered: 7-2009 |
Ah, so she's a teenager. Does she still live with her parents? Did she sneak away? To visit a soldier? To visit another man? To get married? To do something related to the war effort? Such as volunteer at the red cross? Or donate something? | ||
| Probably_monty_hall (Probably_monty_hall)
New member Username: Probably_monty_hall Post Number: 43 Registered: 10-2009 |
Is this at all relevant to Jewish/Polish/etc. refugees from the Nazis? If so, is she a member of a refugee group? Someone who is hiding/housing a refugee? | ||
| Yojimbo (Yojimbo)
New member Username: Yojimbo Post Number: 44 Registered: 11-2009 |
per Noel: "...so she's a teenager..." = FA? is she meeting her boyfriend? is she meeting a young adult of whom her father disapproves? does he disapprove of (can I call the young man Seamus?)'s politics? social standing? military affiliation? did she actually knit the items that were given to others later? substitute other's knitting? if she returned home with knitted items, had she knitted them? were others present when she went to meet Seamus? were they alone? was he part of a group (squadron, etc.)? a soldier? a pacifist? relevant time of day: morning? noon? afternoon? evening? night? mealtime relevant? delivery of post relevant, or other regular event? "immoral" activity: prostitution? drugs/alcohol relevant? merely meeting a boy? (some dads, I know, just can't handle that -- personally, my daughter's suitors have to look out for themselves...) | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 1107 Registered: 7-2009 |
Yojimbo...I took Lynne's "YA" after HAM to mean "Young Adult." Which to me is synonymous with teenager or middle schooler (e.g. the young adult section of the bookstore). I suppose it could also mean early 20-something as well, which is probably more likely since that is literally a young adult. I could be wrong about her meaning "YA" as young adult, though. Lynne, did you mean something else by it? | ||
| Yojimbo (Yojimbo)
New member Username: Yojimbo Post Number: 45 Registered: 11-2009 |
Noel: Indeed, we accord. I also took that meaning, down to "teenager," as in bookstore... but didn't want to assume she was such, as her assignation is with a HYAM, but she might be a full-on HAF, as I understand the queries and responses. I'm wary of FAs, having toted one for much of this , until you helped clear it up. We're about to find out for sure... ;] Is she older than Seamus? Is that relevant? Is the "immorality" that she's meeting someone "much younger" than herself? Someone older? Had she been alive to tell of the deception herself, would she be happy about it? Rueful? Embarrassed? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 4117 Registered: 12-2000 |
Noel Ah, so she's a teenager.yes Does she still live with her parents? yes Did she sneak away? yes To visit a soldier? yes To visit another man? To get married? To do something related to the war effort? Such as volunteer at the red cross? Or donate something? none of the rest | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 4118 Registered: 12-2000 |
Probably Monty Hall - hi and welcome! Is this at all relevant to Jewish/Polish/etc. refugees from the Nazis? no If so, is she a member of a refugee group? Someone who is hiding/housing a refugee? nothing like this | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 4119 Registered: 12-2000 |
Yojimbo per Noel: "...so she's a teenager..." = FA? no,that's still to be worked on I'm afraid! is she meeting her boyfriend? I don't know the finer details but she was meeting a soldier, so he may have been is she meeting a young adult of whom her father disapproves? that's the point - it's possible that she was just hanging out with the soldiers, these finer details are irrelevant does he disapprove of (can I call the young man Seamus?)'s politics? social standing? military affiliation? he was undoubtedly being a protective Dad and his precise reasons are lost in the annals of history did she actually knit the items that were given to others later? yope substitute other's knitting? very close and very important. the FA is really fading away if she returned home with knitted items, had she knitted them? NO - excellent were others present when she went to meet Seamus? probably were they alone? maybe was he part of a group (squadron, etc.)? yes a soldier? a pacifist? a soldier or as I said a bit earlier, maybe a whole group of them relevant time of day: morning? noon? afternoon? evening? night? mealtime relevant? evening delivery of post relevant, or other regular event? no "immoral" activity: prostitution? drugs/alcohol relevant? merely meeting a boy? this one (some dads, I know, just can't handle that -- personally, my daughter's suitors have to look out for themselves...) remember that this was in the 1940s, but Dads can be protective of young teenagers in every generation - don't lets be too hard on him | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 4120 Registered: 12-2000 |
Noel Yojimbo...I took Lynne's "YA" after HAM to mean "Young Adult." I did indeed Which to me is synonymous with teenager or middle schooler (e.g. the young adult section of the bookstore). I suppose it could also mean early 20-something as well, which is probably more likely since that is literally a young adult. I could be wrong about her meaning "YA" as young adult, though. Lynne, did you mean something else by it? nothing more than he was a conscripted soldier and the average age is around 19 but his mates may have been more or less than that | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 4121 Registered: 12-2000 |
Yojimbo Is she older than Seamus? no Is that relevant? yes Is the "immorality" that she's meeting someone "much younger" than herself? no Someone older?undoubtedly they were older than her knowing of her age at the time, any immorality would be the usual however much they 'got up to' in dark alleys, but we don't need to go further than that as I don't have precise details Had she been alive to tell of the deception herself, would she be happy about it? considering her children know the story, and they weren't alive at the time, I'm guessing that she either told the story herself or an older member of the family passed the story on 'your mother was a little minx' type thing Rueful? probably not Embarrassed? possibly | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 1110 Registered: 7-2009 |
Yojimbo...you're right, I missed that that query was about the person she was going to meet, rather than about the girl herself. | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 4123 Registered: 12-2000 |
There's very little left to find out, all the details are there except for one small leap, well not so much a leap as a skip. Can anybody flesh out the story? | ||
| Yojimbo (Yojimbo)
New member Username: Yojimbo Post Number: 48 Registered: 11-2009 |
I'm guessing our lass said she was off to a knitting class (teacher/pupil irrel, likely), or other gathering of knitters -- how plausible, after all, since it was her one passion -- but was really off to meet Seamus, the conscripted soldier. Dad was deceived, further enhanced by her returning with knitting to show for it -- either she'd had someone else knit it for her, or she'd snap up some thing from a jumble sale (is that the term? one Q you never answered, Lynne!), and dash home with it skewered on her needles, likely arriving just before she'd have been noticeably late. Ironically, knitting wasn't really her passion at all; it was merely a pretext she developed so she could plausibly meet Seamus. Further ironically, her attention to knitting as the instrument of her deception aroused her interest so much that she became a lifelong knitter, and that was how they all thought of her. Alas, no one knows what happened to Seamus. any really relevant FAs in there? fun stuff. skip/leap achieved? [wait - even better - she'd unravel a bit of her own sweater, and then pretend it was her knitting project when she brought it home!] [re:"...Dads can be protective of young teenagers in every generation - don't lets be too hard on him..." -- I am with you all the way; you bet, and who can blame them? Imagine my trepidation as my daughter approached the teen years... and imagine my relief as she proved to be a spitfire... Now, she's a brassy cookie living in Manhattan... truly, her suitors have to look after themselves; I wouldn't want to be in their shoes! Also, I know how easy Dads can be to deceive...] ;] | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 4124 Registered: 12-2000 |
Yojimbo Sorry for forgetting to answer your question of a jumble sale. A jumble sale is a sale of secondhand goods, but they're not in particularly good condition, so your earlier mention of her knitting specially for one wouldn't apply. However, they rarely get held in the evenings. Your own suggestion of her getting someone else to knit for her is spot on! She didn't unravel a sweater of her own. Would you care to guess who it was and how the deception was so clever that nobody else (with the possible exception of one other person) knew? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 4125 Registered: 12-2000 |
Yojimbo I've just re read your posting and have to say that she didn't say that she was off to a knitting class or anything as organised as that. She used another entirely plausible explanation for where she would supposedly spend the evening. As for whether knitting was her passion, I don't know. This was wartime and knitting was commonplace in a 'make do and mend' era. She did once say to me that she used to knit (she knew of my own knitting) but she omitted this funny story! | ||
| Yojimbo (Yojimbo)
New member Username: Yojimbo Post Number: 55 Registered: 11-2009 |
Irony would have it be Seamus himself. Mother (the knitting exemplar) might have been able to tell. Let's give "our girl"* and Seamus matching needles, which they swap (just to layer cleverness on the trick). ?? * [LTPF names of girls knitting in this puzzle] (tongue-in-cheek chiding you about the jumble sale Q; we yanks call same a rummage sale, it would seem; same description applies -- often used as a periodic fundraiser as well, as for charity -- thanks for filling me/it in) | ||
| Yojimbo (Yojimbo)
New member Username: Yojimbo Post Number: 56 Registered: 11-2009 |
my goodness, was she off to church? the dance hall? the pub? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 4127 Registered: 12-2000 |
Yojimbo Irony would have it be Seamus himself. nah, I know that sailors knit, but not soldiers although I could be mistaken. It was someone else, anyway Mother (the knitting exemplar) might have been able to tell. if you mean our subject's mother, then I actually wonder whether she knew about it, I don't actually know whether she was even around at the time: either way she wasn't the one to be fooled Let's give "our girl"* and Seamus matching needles, which they swap (just to layer cleverness on the trick). it was clever all right, but Seamus didn't do the knitting. ?? * [LTPF names of girls knitting in this puzzle]only one girl knit - think carefully about that... my goodness, was she off to church? the dance hall? the pub? probably not church, this was a teenager, probably with friends, with soldier/s during wartime. I'd go with dance hall. You had to be 21 to drink at that time (18 now)and that would be taking the risk of exposure too far! No, keep working on it. I've actually dropped a hint within this reply | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 588 Registered: 6-2003 |
Did another girl do the knitting for her? Did this young lady provide all girls in the group with knitwear? Did she receive something else in return? Was there an agreement among the girls to give each other a plausible alibi for dance nights? The puzzle statement says that "our girl" used her hobby to deceive .. as we now know that knitting was not really her hobby, is there some other hobby of her relevant? Did she make other things that she exchanged for the knitwear? | ||
| Tommyp (Tommyp)
New member Username: Tommyp Post Number: 508 Registered: 3-2004 |
Did she pretend to visit some other person together with whom she would knit? but she got the finished knitting from that person to bring home? or from another person? Did she get the knitting done for free? or somwhow trade/pay for it? Did the person doing the actual knitting know why Mother needed having knitting done for her? Was the person doing the actual knitting roughly the same age as Mother? older? much older? a relative? friend? just acquaintance? | ||
| Tommyp (Tommyp)
New member Username: Tommyp Post Number: 509 Registered: 3-2004 |
...or did Mother do the knitting herself, but at another time? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 4128 Registered: 12-2000 |
Tommyp Did another girl do the knitting for her? no.. Did this young lady provide all girls in the group with knitwear?noDid she receive something else in return? no Was there an agreement among the girls to give each other a plausible alibi for dance nights? no The puzzle statement says that "our girl" used her hobby to deceive .. as we now know that knitting was not really her hobby, is there some other hobby of her relevant? fair point, it's considered a hobby nowadays rather than a 'make do and mend' necessity, but I thought by calling it a hobby it would save the amount of time in finding that bit out. There is no other hobby involved Did she make other things that she exchanged for the knitwear? no | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 4129 Registered: 12-2000 |
Tommyp Did she pretend to visit some other person together with whom she would knit? YES but she got the finished knitting from that person to bring home? YES or from another person? no Did she get the knitting done for free? I'm presuming so or somwhow trade/pay for it? possibly, but irrelevant Did the person doing the actual knitting know why Mother needed having knitting done for her? yes she did Was the person doing the actual knitting roughly the same age as Mother? no older? yes much older? possibly a relative? YES friend? just acquaintance? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 4130 Registered: 12-2000 |
Tommyp ...or did Mother do the knitting herself, but at another time? good thinking, but no I think though that this is enough for a spoiler | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 4131 Registered: 12-2000 |
*********** SPOILER ************ Muriel, for that was her name, used to hang her knitting bag on the door handle of her aunt's house. Her aunt would work on the knitting and Muriel would pick it up on the way home from meeting the soldier/s. I don't know whether it was her mother's sister, but I'm guessing that if she was, her mother was in on it (assuming she was alive at the time) Anyway, I guess that her uncle wouldn't have approved. I'm imagining the scenario that her aunt would go outside to put the milk bottles out or call in the cat or something. She would pick up the knitting and put it in her pocket - to work on it that evening as though it was her own work, probably identical to what Muriel was knitting. Maybe they were doing socks for soldiers in identical coloured wool, so Uncle wouldn't think twice about it. Muriel would pick it up from outside, and have it to show her father if he was at all suspicious. Little minx! | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 4132 Registered: 12-2000 |
Thank you one and all. Good teamwork. | ||
| Yojimbo (Yojimbo)
New member Username: Yojimbo Post Number: 60 Registered: 11-2009 |
nice. My little bon mot about [LTPF names of knitting girls] was just me fishing for a name for our protagonist; clearly, I had neglected to imagine that the net would catch other knitters as well... | ||
| Tommyp (Tommyp)
New member Username: Tommyp Post Number: 516 Registered: 3-2004 |
Neat knightly knitters - no-one knew nothing... |
