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Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Posted on Saturday, November 14, 2009 - 9:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Because it was in the right place at the right time, a camera helped achieve something that might have otherwise taken many millions of dollars to accomplish. What was it?
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Posted on Saturday, November 14, 2009 - 10:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Camera: Security camera? Just a normal hand-held camera? A professional's camera?

It = A camera?
Was this some job or task?
Was it mandatory to do?
Professions relevant?
Location? Era?
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Space relevant? research? medicine? espionage?
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Posted on Saturday, November 14, 2009 - 11:12 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

It = A camera? Yes.
Was this some job or task? Yes.
Was it mandatory to do? No, though it does have some importance.
Professions relevant? Yes.
Location? In a general sense. Era? Modern.

Space relevant? This. research? And this. medicine? espionage?
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Posted on Sunday, November 15, 2009 - 7:06 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I used my digital cam to snap the inside of a refrigerator, using the self-timer, to verify that no, the light wasn't coming on when the door was closed: it was getting hot for some other reason -- I would never underestimate the utility of a handy camera...

(you missed Quovynyte's Q: Camera: Security camera? Just a normal hand-held camera? A professional's camera?)
astronauts relevant?
NASA?
space shuttle? satellite/other deployment?
telescopes relevant?
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Posted on Sunday, November 15, 2009 - 8:02 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I used my digital cam to snap the inside of a refrigerator, using the self-timer, to verify that no, the light wasn't coming on when the door was closed: it was getting hot for some other reason -- I would never underestimate the utility of a handy camera... Heh. Pretty cool.

(you missed Quovynyte's Q: Thanks for the reminder. Camera: Security camera? No. Just a normal hand-held camera? No. A professional's camera?) What kind of professional?
astronauts relevant? No.
NASA? No.
space shuttle? No. satellite/other deployment? No.
telescopes relevant? No.
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Posted on Sunday, November 15, 2009 - 9:35 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the camera on Earth? in an observatory? on the Moon? on another planet? on another moon? on a telescope in space? on something else in space?

Discovery of something new in space relevant? confirmation of a theory?
Galfisk (Galfisk)
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Did the camera record: video? Pictures? Relevant? Was it put there for a different purpose than what it accomplished? Did it record a phenomenon? An event? Did it record outside the visible spectrum? Relevant? Was it automated? Or did someone pick it up and use it, and being within reach was what constituted the right place and time?
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Sun relevant? Atomic bombs? Meteor strike? (they're all pretty bright)
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Was the camera on Earth? This. in an observatory? Yesish. on the Moon? on another planet? on another moon? on a telescope in space? on something else in space?

Discovery of something new in space relevant? Noish. confirmation of a theory? No.

Did the camera record: video? Pictures? This. Relevant? Yes. Was it put there for a different purpose than what it accomplished? No. Did it record a phenomenon? An event? This. Did it record outside the visible spectrum? No. Relevant? No. Was it automated? Yes. Or did someone pick it up and use it, and being within reach was what constituted the right place and time? No.

Sun relevant? Atomic bombs? Meteor strike? This. (they're all pretty bright) Good work, you've found the significance of the title.
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Did the meteor strike on Earth?
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Posted on Sunday, November 15, 2009 - 8:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the meteor strike on Earth? Yes.
Gourami (Gourami)
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Did the camera take a picture of the exact moment of a meteor strike? of a meteor just before it struck? of the bright light caused by the strike? Are any of the colors in the picture the important part?
Was the camera intended to capture what it did?
Is shutter speed relevant?
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Posted on Monday, November 16, 2009 - 3:43 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Just checking: Make sure I know whether you're asking about a meteor (the rock as it passes through the atmosphere) or a meteorite (what's left when and if it hits the ground.) A meteoroid is the rock when it's still in space.

Did the camera take a picture of the exact moment of a meteor strike? Yes. of a meteor just before it struck? No. of the bright light caused by the strike? Yes. Are any of the colors in the picture the important part? No.
Was the camera intended to capture what it did? Yes.
Is shutter speed relevant? Yes.
Gourami (Gourami)
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Yeah, I was wondering about that. I was asking about the rock just before/as it was hitting Earth, so I wasn't sure if it is considered a meteor or a meteorite at that point. By "meteor strike," I meant the minute the rock hits the physical surface of the planet.

But just to be sure, was the camera capturing the meteor as it was hitting the atmosphere?

Was a slow shutter speed used so that the path of the meteor was shown?
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Posted on Monday, November 16, 2009 - 4:27 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Yeah, I was wondering about that. I was asking about the rock just before/as it was hitting Earth, so I wasn't sure if it is considered a meteor or a meteorite at that point. By "meteor strike," I meant the minute the rock hits the physical surface of the planet. That wasn't captured by the camera, but the path of the meteor just before it hit the ground was.

But just to be sure, was the camera capturing the meteor as it was hitting the atmosphere? Yes.

Was a slow shutter speed used so that the path of the meteor was shown? Yes.
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Did it gain useful information about: meteor trajectory? Meteor frequency? Meteor composition? Meteor strike emmission spectrum? Meteor surface evaporation rate? Information relevant for deorbiting spacecraft? Energy relesed to atmosphere?
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Did it gain useful information about: meteor trajectory? This. Meteor frequency? Meteor composition? And thisish. Meteor strike emmission spectrum? Meteor surface evaporation rate? Information relevant for deorbiting spacecraft? Energy released to atmosphere? No to the others.
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The thing achieved; was that "just" for meteor research? or was it useful in some other area?
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Was the meteorite located after impact? Relevant? Did it contain valuable metals? Or minerals? Did the meteor itself have scientific value? The observation of it?
Did the observation replace an expensive experiment?
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The thing achieved; was that "just" for meteor research? Noish. or was it useful in some other area?

Was the meteorite located after impact? Yes. Relevant? Yes. Did it contain valuable metals? Or minerals? They had scientific value. Did the meteor itself have scientific value? No. The observation of it? Yes.
Did the observation replace an expensive experiment? I wouldn't call it an experiment.
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Were the observers able to tell from the photo where in space the meteor had come from, and therefore what minerals can be found there? Were they able to tell that it came from a certain cluster of meteoroids?
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Would the "experiment" have been sending a module up into space to collect a sample of a meteoroid?
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Were the observers able to tell from the photo where in space the meteor had come from, Yes. and therefore what minerals can be found there? Yes. Were they able to tell that it came from a certain cluster of meteoroids? Yesish.

Would the "experiment" have been sending a module up into space to collect a sample of a meteoroid? Yesish.

I think this is getting pretty close, so let's call it the quickest of my puzzles to get a

SPOILER

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“Out in Western Australia, in the Nullabor desert, there is an array of sky cameras designed to observe meteors as they flame their way through our atmosphere. It’s been observing the sky since 2006, and it paid off handsomely: a bright meteor observed by the skycam has led to the resulting meteorite being found.

Cooool. By triangulating the meteor, astronomers were able to track the rock all the way to the ground, where the meteorite was found only 100 meters from the predicted location. Not only that, the track of the meteor on the sky allowed astronomers to backtrack its trajectory, and calculate the orbit of the meteoroid. They found it came from a family of asteroids in the inner asteroid belt, just outside the orbit of Mars. over millions of years the orbit migrated inward toward the Sun, and eventually intersected ours, resulting in, well, the collision.
This is really nice because not too many meteorites are recovered from known falls, and fewer still where the orbit of the incoming rock can be determined. When this happens, we get for free what otherwise would take a fairly expensive rocket trip to accomplish.”
-- Dr. Phil Plait, Badastronomy.com

Original article:

http://www.nhm.ac.uk/about-us/news/2009/november/unusual-meteorite-found-by-time-lapse-camera-observatory47032.html
Galfisk (Galfisk)
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Posted on Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 2:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Cool puzzle and thanks for the article link, I love stuff like this (:
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Posted on Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 4:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

History repeats itself, in a way:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8367760.stm

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