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A man is not a professional animal handler. Yet frequently, as part of his job, he is required to deal with wild and dangerous creatures. Explain.
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Is he required to handle them, as an animal handler would? Or kill them? Chase them off? Avoid them? Photograph them?
Are they local wildlife? Smuggling relevant? Creatures=animals? Is he in law enforcement? Location relevant?
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"deal with" in the sense of "handle"?
Is it impossible where he works to have an animal handler?
True story? possible story?
Is the man human? on Earth?
Are the creatures larger than a domestic cat? larger than a pig?
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Does he deal with the creatures in person?
Is he an scientist? Author?
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ratcatcher?
kindergarten teacher?
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Does he deal with only one species of wild and dangerous creature? several species within one biological class (like reptiles or birds)? or order (like snakes, primates, rodents)? within several of these groupings? A lot of these groupings?

He isn't Mike Rowe, is he?
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Is he required to handle them, as an animal handler would? Or kill them? Chase them off? This. Avoid them? Photograph them?
Are they local wildlife? Yes. Smuggling relevant? No. Creatures=animals? Yes. Is he in law enforcement? Possibly, but not necessarily. Location relevant? Yes.

"deal with" in the sense of "handle"? Physically? No.
Is it impossible where he works to have an animal handler? No.
True story? Yes. possible story?
Is the man human? on Earth? Yes to both.
Are the creatures larger than a domestic cat? larger than a pig? Yes to both.

ratcatcher? No.
kindergarten teacher? No.

Does he deal with only one species of wild and dangerous creature? No, though one species in particular is most likely to be "handled. several species within one biological class (like reptiles or birds)? Likely. or order (like snakes, primates, rodents)? Doubtful. within several of these groupings? Yes. A lot of these groupings? No.

He isn't Mike Rowe, is he? No. Not a bad guess, though.
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Are some animals carnivores? all of them?
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Are some animals carnivores? Yes. all of them? Not necessarily.
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chase them off...
the pied piper?
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Are the dangerous animals in his workspace? Or does he work in their natural habitat? Are they required for part of his work, but can then be chased away?
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chase them off...
the pied piper? No.

Are the dangerous animals in his workspace? Yes. Or does he work in their natural habitat? Yesish. Are they required for part of his work, but can then be chased away? No.
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I think I'll take an opportunity to tell a rather humorous story that was brought to mind by this puzzle:

Once, many years ago, I was hiking with my mom in an area of open space. We happened to run into a team of employees of the local water district, who were servicing a water tank. Or rather, they were hanging out in their truck listening to the radio, while supposedly working on the tank. One of them said to us, "Oh, we heard you and thought you might be mountain lions". So it became kind of an inside joke that the local water district is in charge of chasing mountain lions.

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Anyway, as for the puzzle:

Does his job attract these animals? or are they simply there naturally?

Are there any other people who work in the same location? If so, would they have to handle these animals?
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Does his job attract these animals? No. or are they simply there naturally? Yes.

Are there any other people who work in the same location? Yes. If so, would they have to handle these animals? Sometimes.
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Time period relevant? LTPF list of continents?

Size of the "wild and dangerous" creatures: Human-sized? Horse-sized? Elephant-sized?

Mammals?
Reptiles?
Amphibians?
Insects?
Arachnids?
Marsupials?
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Time period relevant? Yesish. LTPF list of continents? North America.

Size of the "wild and dangerous" creatures: Human-sized? Yes. Horse-sized? {Possibly.} Elephant-sized? No.

There are several animals that might apply to this story:

Mammals? Yes.
Reptiles? Yes.
Amphibians?
Insects?
Arachnids?
Marsupials?
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Did he like to deal with the animals? or was it under protest? or was there no other practical way of handling the situation?

Was he alone when handling the animals? anyone helping? anyone watching?
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Did he like to deal with the animals? Doubtful. or was it under protest? Not unlikely. or was there no other practical way of handling the situation? Not under the circumstances.

Was he alone when handling the animals? Irrelevant. anyone helping? Irrelevant. anyone watching? Probably.
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Is he guarding something? Is being a guard his job? Is he in the military?
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Is he guarding something? Yesish. Is being a guard his job? Probably, assume yes. Is he in the military? Irr.
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National Park relevant?
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National Park relevant? No, but...
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Slight blooper, looking to avoid confusion:

National Park relevant? Noish.
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Is it more accurate to say that he's guarding against something? Is chasing away wildlife his primary duty? Or is it just something he has to do as part of his normal guard duties?
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Is it more accurate to say that he's guarding against something? Yes. Is chasing away wildlife his primary duty? Or is it just something he has to do as part of his normal guard duties? This.
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Is he chasing of the animals for *their* sake? because something is dangerous to them? like a forest fire?
Is he protecting some kind of property? that borders to an area with wildlife? some sort of park?
Anything rare involved? precious? almost extinct animals?
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Is he chasing of the animals for *their* sake? No. because something is dangerous to them? Although it is. like a forest fire? No.
Is he protecting some kind of property? Yes. that borders to an area with wildlife? Yes. some sort of park? Yes.
Anything rare involved? Possibly, but irrelevant. precious? almost extinct animals?
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is ownership/domain of the land being protected relevant?
is the property] owned:
privately?
by the city/county/state/borough/shire/province/country/other?
is he a private employee, or state?
Wild animals:
alligators?
badgers?
bears?
cougars?
coyotes?
deer?
elk?
ferrets/stoats/weasels/fishers/martens/otters/minks/wolverines?
foxes [vixen]?
wolves?
snakes?
lizards?
military relevant (did I miss a Q on that when looking this over? I'm thinking of a military ordnance range, or something like it...)?
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is ownership/domain of the land being protected relevant? Not particularly.
is the property] owned:
privately?
by the city/county/state This, I think. /borough/shire/province/country/other?
is he a private employee, or state? National, I believe.
Wild animals:
alligators? This.
badgers?
bears?
cougars? Possibly this.
coyotes?
deer? And possibly this.
elk?
ferrets/stoats/weasels/fishers/martens/otters/minks/wolverines?
foxes [vixen]?
wolves?
snakes?
lizards?
military relevant Not necessarily(did I miss a Q on that when looking this over? I'm thinking of a military ordnance range, or something like it...)? No, but you're OTRT.
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are wild animals imperiled by proximity to an industrial installation?
alligators --> petroleum refineries[?], in my mind...
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are wild animals imperiled by proximity to an industrial installation? No.
alligators --> petroleum refineries[?], in my mind... Not this.
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Border patrol relevant?
Does he wear a gun? other weapon?
Does he only work daytime? also at night? weekends?
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Border patrol relevant? No.
Does he wear a gun? other weapon? Irr.
Does he only work daytime? also at night? weekends? Assume all the time, though daylight seems most likely.
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Electrical fence relevant?
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Electrical fence relevant? No.
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is the area in which our HAM occasionally deals with wild animals primarily devoted to:
education?
water use/storage/treatment?
recreation?
industrial use?
research?
habitat preservation?
entertainment?
fine dining?
training?
mining or other natural resource harvesting?
are there wild animals whose presence at this assumed site is desirable? encouraged?
ditto for "domestic" animals? livestock?
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is the area in which our HAM occasionally deals with wild animals primarily devoted to:
education?
water use/storage/treatment?
recreation?
industrial use?
research? Ish.
habitat preservation? Yope.
entertainment?
fine dining?
training?
mining or other natural resource harvesting?
are there wild animals whose presence at this assumed site is desirable? encouraged? Yope.
ditto for "domestic" animals? livestock?

No to the others.
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is the area in which our HAM occasionally deals with wild animals concerned with forestry? animal behavior? geology? other science/study?
national park/forest/recreation area?
wildlife preserve?
are some animals more equal than others (orwell)?
are some animals at the site regarded as insignificant or not dangerous, while some others (apparently) are?
site in USA? southern USA?
is the site available for public use?
secret gov't installation?
Area 51 relevant?
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is the area in which our HAM occasionally deals with wild animals concerned with forestry? animal behavior? geology? other science/study?
national park/forest/recreation area?
wildlife preserve? This.
are some animals more equal than others (orwell)? No.
are some animals at the site regarded as insignificant or not dangerous, while some others (apparently) are? Yes.
site in USA? southern USA? This.
is the site available for public use? No.
secret gov't installation? No, but OTRT.
Area 51 relevant? No.
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are animals being protected at the site?
endangered animals being protected?
multiple species, or primarily one?
tolerated species relevant?
does our HAM also have to ensure that unauthorized humans keep away from the site?
is the site fenced or otherwise secure?
location relevant?
for now, I'll pretend it is: site located in
[LTPF list of states in the southern USA in which alligators might be found, please...]?
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are animals being protected at the site? Yesish.
endangered animals being protected? Yes.
multiple species, or primarily one? A couple are more crucial than others.
tolerated species relevant? Not really.
does our HAM also have to ensure that unauthorized humans keep away from the site? Yes.
is the site fenced or otherwise secure? Not enough.
location relevant? Yes.
for now, I'll pretend it is: site located in
[LTPF list of states in the southern USA in which alligators might be found, please...]? Florida.
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protected species:
bird?
mammal?
reptile?
amphibian?
swamps/marshes relevant?
airports/mil.bases relevant?
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protected species:
bird?
mammal? This.
reptile? Not necessarily this.
amphibian?
swamps/marshes relevant? Yes.
airports/mil.bases relevant? Yes.
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wait a minute: space flight relevant?
Cape Canaveral?
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wait a minute: space flight relevant? Occasionally, but not this alone.
Cape Canaveral? No. Close, though, the base IS run by NASA.
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wild animals interfering with launch/takeoff/liftoff/landing?
or is the interference the other way around?
is it the Kennedy Space Center (don't know if Cape Canaveral has any relevance or existence any more, but it did when I was a boy during Apollo! ...seems that the name is somehow deprecated in my mind...)?
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wild animals interfering with launch/takeoff/liftoff/landing? Yep. See spoiler below.
or is the interference the other way around? Well, you wouldn't want to be an endangered species, sleeping comfortably on a warm runway, with a massive jet bearing down on you...
is it the Kennedy Space Center (don't know if Cape Canaveral has any relevance or existence any more, but it did when I was a boy during Apollo! ...seems that the name is somehow deprecated in my mind...)? Canaveral is still the main US launch site, and the only one used for manned launches. After the end of the shuttle program in 2010, we'll be flying out of Kazakhstan for a while.

************* Spoiler ****************

Meritt Island doubles as a wildlife refuge. The KSC is actually pretty small compared to the rest of the island. Its airfield is heavily used, mostly to carry spacecraft components but also for the occasional emergency or shuttle landing. Before landings take place, people have to go out and shoo alligators off the runway.
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Very cool puzzle! I've been around there, but still didn't think of it.

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