| Author | Message | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1289 Registered: 11-2008 |
When Charlie saw the number, his shoulders straightened and, despite the circumstances, a smile appeared on his lips. What happened? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 281 Registered: 9-2009 |
A literal number? Or a performance or similar? Could it be said "When Charlie saw the number, he was happy despite the circumstances"? Charlie Chaplin? Lottery/gambling relevant? Did the number itself make Charlie smile? Or did it signify something else that made him happy? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1293 Registered: 11-2008 |
A literal number? This Or a performance or similar? Could it be said "When Charlie saw the number, he was happy despite the circumstances"? Yes, it could Charlie Chaplin? No Lottery/gambling relevant? No Did the number itself make Charlie smile? Or did it signify something else that made him happy? This | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 990 Registered: 7-2009 |
Number: an age? a score? a code? a date? a count? a time? a measurement? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1295 Registered: 11-2008 |
Number: an age? a score? a code? This would be the closest a date? a count? a time? a measurement? | ||
| Quovynyte (Quovynyte)
New member Username: Quovynyte Post Number: 293 Registered: 6-2009 |
Is Charlie a famous person? Did this event happen? Would it be plausible to happen in real life? Was it the code on a combination lock? A door lock code? A password? Were the numbers in this "code" relevant? How many numbers in this "code"? 1? 2? 3? 4? 5? 6? 7? 8? 9? 10+? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1301 Registered: 11-2008 |
Is Charlie a famous person? No Did this event happen? Probably not, but.. Would it be plausible to happen in real life? ...it would be plausible (yet quite improbable) in real life Was it the code on a combination lock? A door lock code? A password? Neither Were the numbers in this "code" relevant? Only slightly How many numbers in this "code"? 1? 2? 3? 4? 5? 6? 7? 8? 9? 10+? There were 13 digits in this code. | ||
| Quovynyte (Quovynyte)
New member Username: Quovynyte Post Number: 297 Registered: 6-2009 |
"Saw the number" = through a screen? Through glass? Plastic? Did he see it directly? Was the number printed? With ink? Was it handwritten? Ink? Lead? Other? Was it made of plastic? Metal? Cloth? Wood? Paper? Was the colour of it relevant? The size? The style? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1305 Registered: 11-2008 |
"Saw the number" = through a screen? This Through glass?Possibly Plastic? Probably Did he see it directly? He saw it directly on a screen through the medium covering the screen which might have been glass but probably was plastic Was the number printed? With ink? Was it handwritten? Ink? Lead? Other? Was it made of plastic? Metal? Cloth? Wood? Paper? Neither Was the colour of it relevant? The size? The style? Neither | ||
| Quovynyte (Quovynyte)
New member Username: Quovynyte Post Number: 300 Registered: 6-2009 |
Was it through a computer screen? A television screen? A camera screen? A Phone screen? A screen with can only display text? Numbers? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1307 Registered: 11-2008 |
Was it through a computer screen? A television screen? A camera screen? A Phone screen? This A screen with can only display text? Numbers? | ||
| Quovynyte (Quovynyte)
New member Username: Quovynyte Post Number: 303 Registered: 6-2009 |
A mobile phone? Was it a phone number? Was it a phone number of a friend? Relative? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 302 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did he expect the number? Hope for it? Did he recognize it immediately? Or did he compare it with a note or similar? Will his circumstances improve as a result of the number? Would any other number have worked? Does the screen show anything in addition to the number? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1309 Registered: 11-2008 |
A mobile phone? Yes Was it a phone number? Yes Was it a phone number of a friend? Yes Relative? No Did he expect the number? No Hope for it? In the deepest corner of his soul, yes Did he recognize it immediately? Let us say yes for the purposes of this puzzle; see next answer Or did he compare it with a note or similar? This would be also very likely but in this case, he would smile a bit later - after having compared the number to the note Will his circumstances improve as a result of the number? I'd say no in a material way, and very much so at the psychological level Would any other number have worked? No Does the screen show anything in addition to the number? No | ||
| Quovynyte (Quovynyte)
New member Username: Quovynyte Post Number: 307 Registered: 6-2009 |
Friend's occupation relevant? Age? Gender? Religion? Nationality? Was s/he HAM? HAF? Was the friend ringing him? Did s/he text him? Was Charlie relieved? Reassured? Exited? Surprised? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 305 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is his friend calling him, and the number shows on caller ID? Or has his friend's phone number been found, and someone sent him a text message with the number? Has he not heard from the friend in a long time? Does he fear/expect the friend is dead? Has he tried to reach the friend but been unable to? Have they been enemies? Lost touch? Natural disasters relevant? Man-made? War? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1311 Registered: 11-2008 |
Friend's occupation relevant? Yep Age? Only in general terms Gender? Yes Religion? Not at all Nationality? Yes Was s/he HAM? This HAF? Was the friend ringing him? Yes Did s/he text him? No Was Charlie relieved? Yes Reassured? Very much so Exited? I think he was a bit excited, too Surprised? Quite so s his friend calling him, and the number shows on caller ID? Yes Or has his friend's phone number been found, and someone sent him a text message with the number? No Has he not heard from the friend in a long time? Yes Does he fear/expect the friend is dead? No Has he tried to reach the friend but been unable to? Yes Have they been enemies? No Lost touch? Yes Natural disasters relevant? No Man-made? Yes, with a svv of "disasters" War? Not in the sense we usually use this term I think it'll be honest to warn you that there is a possible FA lurking; you have not expressed it directly so I did not object but I am pretty sure it is there | ||
| Quovynyte (Quovynyte)
New member Username: Quovynyte Post Number: 310 Registered: 6-2009 |
Was he happy that his friend was safe? That he could tell him something? That Charlie could tell him something? That Charlie could ask him something? That he could ask Charlie something? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1313 Registered: 11-2008 |
Was he happy that his friend was safe? I can feel the FA rearing its ugly head now That he could tell him something? Definitely, and a possible FA again That Charlie could tell him something? No That Charlie could ask him something? Probably That he could ask Charlie something? No | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 309 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is "he" in the puzzle statement not Charlie? More than two people involved? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1314 Registered: 11-2008 |
Is "he" in the puzzle statement not Charlie? bingo! More than two people involved? Let us say three - Charlie, the caller and the man you've just asked about. Keep up the good work! | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 312 Registered: 9-2009 |
Let's call him Albert, and the caller Edgar, ok? Does Albert see the number? does he hear the phone ringing? Is he blind? Have Albert and Charlie both been looking for Edgar? TV shows where people get help locating lost friends and relatives relevant? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1315 Registered: 11-2008 |
Let's call him Albert, and the caller Edgar, ok? Ok Does Albert see the number? No does he hear the phone ringing? No Is he blind? No Have Albert and Charlie both been looking for Edgar? No TV shows where people get help locating lost friends and relatives relevant? No | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1318 Registered: 11-2008 |
Hang on, there is a BLOOOPER! The person from the puzzle statement IS Charlie, and all the he's in the puzzle statement refer to him. However, some of the he's and him's in your questions referred to Albert. Sorry for that. | ||
| Quovynyte (Quovynyte)
New member Username: Quovynyte Post Number: 313 Registered: 6-2009 |
"When Charlie saw the number, his shoulders straightened and, despite the circumstances, a smile appeared on his lips." Ok so both his's are Edgar? Or is the his Charlie and the his Edgar? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 315 Registered: 9-2009 |
Are Albert and Charlie together when this happens? Is any of them with Edgar? Or are all three in different places? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1319 Registered: 11-2008 |
"When Charlie saw the number, his shoulders straightened and, despite the circumstances, a smile appeared on his lips." Ok so both his's are Edgar? Or is the his Charlie and the his Edgar? No, both "his" refer to Charlie - see the blooper above. I do apologize to have misled you. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 322 Registered: 9-2009 |
Do we "mention" Albert only in the posts where you speak about the FA? Can you answer my previous post? Edgar calls Charlie, correct? All involved HA? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1322 Registered: 11-2008 |
Are Albert and Charlie together when this happens? Yes Is any of them with Edgar? No Or are all three in different places? No. As I said, Albert and Charlie are in one place, Edgar in a different one Do we "mention" Albert only in the posts where you speak about the FA? I am not quite sure how you mean this; the FAs related to the fact that something was assumed to be related to Charlie but was related to Albert instead Can you answer my previous post? Sure :-)) Edgar calls Charlie, correct? No All involved HA? No. Good question. | ||
| Quovynyte (Quovynyte)
New member Username: Quovynyte Post Number: 337 Registered: 6-2009 |
Is Albert a child? Charlie? Edgar? Are all of them humans? Did Edgar call Albert? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1323 Registered: 11-2008 |
Is Albert a child? Charlie? This Edgar? Are all of them humans? Yes Did Edgar call Albert? Yes indeed. | ||
| Quovynyte (Quovynyte)
New member Username: Quovynyte Post Number: 344 Registered: 6-2009 |
Is Albert Charlie's Father? Brother? Cousin? Uncle? Other? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1325 Registered: 11-2008 |
Is Albert Charlie's Father? Brother? Cousin? Uncle? Other? This | ||
| Quovynyte (Quovynyte)
New member Username: Quovynyte Post Number: 348 Registered: 6-2009 |
Son? Nephew? Grandfather? Great-grandfather? Great-uncle? Brother-in-law? Father-in-law? Uncle-in-law? Cousin-in-law? Are both of them even related? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1328 Registered: 11-2008 |
Son? Nephew? Grandfather? This Great-grandfather? Great-uncle? Brother-in-law? Father-in-law? Uncle-in-law? Cousin-in-law? Are both of them even related? And so, yes ;-)) | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 451 Registered: 6-2008 |
So, Charlie's grandfather Albert receives a call from his (Albert's) long-lost friend Edgar? and Charlie happens to glance at the number on the caller ID? and is happy? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1331 Registered: 11-2008 |
So, Charlie's grandfather Albert receives a call from his (Albert's) long-lost friend Edgar? and Charlie happens to glance at the number on the caller ID? and is happy? Correct | ||
| Quovynyte (Quovynyte)
New member Username: Quovynyte Post Number: 359 Registered: 6-2009 |
Does Charlie know Edgar? Does he like Edgar? Is he happy that he might see Edgar again? Or that he can talk to him on the phone? Is Edgar going to give/tell/ask him something? Will he be happy that Edgar is safe? That they can keep in touch? Does Charlie want to ask/tell/give him something? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1333 Registered: 11-2008 |
Does Charlie know Edgar? No Does he like Edgar? He does not know him Is he happy that he might see Edgar again? FA- see above Or that he can talk to him on the phone? Probably Is Edgar going to give No/tellYes/ask No him something? Will he be happy that Edgar is safe? Irr That they can keep in touch? No Does Charlie want to ask Probably/tellNo/give No him something? | ||
| Tommyp (Tommyp)
New member Username: Tommyp Post Number: 418 Registered: 3-2004 |
Has Charlie seen that number on the phone before? or somewhere else? and he connects that number with positive thoughts to "some person"? but someone he doesn't know? has he somehow seen his grand-father happy when talking to Edgar? does he think Edgar is Santa Claus? or someone else that can give him something? or someone that ought to be able to help him out of trouble? | ||
| Quovynyte (Quovynyte)
New member Username: Quovynyte Post Number: 366 Registered: 6-2009 |
Has Charlie heard of Edgar before this incidence? Has Albert talked about him? Is Edgar a famous person? Does Charlie admire him? Has Edgar been involved in any past events? (Wars, elections etc.) Does Charlie want to ask him about his past? Does Edgar have knowledge of a certain thing that Charlie would like to know? Relevant where Edgar lives? His age? Could he be a HAF? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1334 Registered: 11-2008 |
Has Charlie seen that number on the phone before? No or somewhere else? Yes and he connects that number with positive thoughts Yes to "some person"? but someone he doesn't know? Yes in the sense he does not know Edgar personally and has never met him has he somehow seen his grand-father happy when talking to Edgar? No but OTRT does he think Edgar is Santa Claus? No :-)) or someone else that can give him something? yes with svv of "give" or someone that ought to be able to help him out of trouble? Yes with svv of "trouble" Has Charlie heard of Edgar before this incidence? Yes Has Albert talked about him? Yes Is Edgar a famous person? Very much so Does Charlie admire him? Most likely Has Edgar been involved in any past events? Yes (Wars, elections etc.)But neither of these Does Charlie want to ask him about his past? Possibly - and if so, about one specific thing about his past Does Edgar have knowledge of a certain thing that Charlie would like to know? Yes Relevant where Edgar lives? Yes His age? Yesish Could he be a HAF? Probably not; I cannot fully exclude it, but it would definitely work much better if he were a HAM. | ||
| Tommyp (Tommyp)
New member Username: Tommyp Post Number: 425 Registered: 3-2004 |
Is Edgar famous from TV? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1336 Registered: 11-2008 |
Is Edgar famous from TV? Yes, he is famous also from TV | ||
| Quovynyte (Quovynyte)
New member Username: Quovynyte Post Number: 384 Registered: 6-2009 |
Is he an actor? A television personality? A presenter/broadcaster? Did Charlie not know that Edgar was Alert's friend before he called him? Where does Edgar live? In Australia? Asia? Africa? North America? South America? Europe? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1340 Registered: 11-2008 |
Is he an actor? Yes A television personality? A presenter/broadcaster? Did Charlie not know that Edgar was Alert's friend before he called him? Very difficult to answer. I'd say Yope. Where does Edgar live? In Australia? Asia? Africa? North America? This South America? Europe? | ||
| Tommyp (Tommyp)
New member Username: Tommyp Post Number: 436 Registered: 3-2004 |
Has Charlie seen that number on the TV screen? Is it a program you can call and get help? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1342 Registered: 11-2008 |
Has Charlie seen that number on the TV screen? No Is it a program you can call and get help? No | ||
| Quovynyte (Quovynyte)
New member Username: Quovynyte Post Number: 393 Registered: 6-2009 |
In the USA? In canada? If the USA - Alabama Alaska Arizona Arkansas California Colorado Connecticut Delaware District of Columbia Florida Georgia Hawaii Idaho Illinois Indiana Iowa Kansas Kentucky Louisiana Maine Maryland Massachusetts Michigan Minnesota Mississippi Missouri Montana Nebraska Nevada New Hampshire New Jersey New Mexico New York North Carolina North Dakota Ohio Oklahoma Oregon Pennsylvania Rhode Island South Carolina South Dakota Tennessee Texas Utah Vermont Virginia Washington West Virginia Wisconsin Wyoming ? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1344 Registered: 11-2008 |
In the USA? In canada? If the USA - Alabama Alaska Arizona Arkansas California This Colorado Connecticut Delaware District of Columbia Florida Georgia Hawaii Idaho Illinois Indiana Iowa Kansas Kentucky Louisiana Maine Maryland Massachusetts Michigan Minnesota Mississippi Missouri Montana Nebraska Nevada New Hampshire New Jersey New Mexico New York North Carolina North Dakota Ohio Oklahoma Oregon Pennsylvania Rhode Island South Carolina South Dakota Tennessee Texas Utah Vermont Virginia Washington West Virginia Wisconsin Wyoming The most important thing was that he was living in North America. The exact location/city is not so important. Sorry if I have confused you. | ||
| Quovynyte (Quovynyte)
New member Username: Quovynyte Post Number: 400 Registered: 6-2009 |
Is this set in the present time? Past? Is American his nationality? Is he a real person? Is Charlie and Albert real people? Is this a true story? | ||
| Tommyp (Tommyp)
New member Username: Tommyp Post Number: 439 Registered: 3-2004 |
Is the phone number a well-known number? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1345 Registered: 11-2008 |
Is this set in the present time? This Past? Is American his nationality? Edgar's? Yes Is he a real person? Edgar? Yes Is Charlie and Albert real people? No in the sense that this puzzle is based on a fiction (see below); however, in the fiction, they are real people. Is this a true story? It's a piece of fiction, yet a quite plausible one Is the phone number a well-known number? No | ||
| Quovynyte (Quovynyte)
New member Username: Quovynyte Post Number: 460 Registered: 6-2009 |
If I had seen the number would I have smiled? Is there a pattern to it? Are what kind of movies Edgar appear in relevant? Is the number just a random number? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1393 Registered: 11-2008 |
If I had seen the number would I have smiled? As yourself (ie if you were not exactly in Charlie's situation?) No. Is there a pattern to it? In what sense? Are what kind of movies Edgar appear in relevant? Very much so Is the number just a random number? No, we've already established it was Edgar's phone number | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 516 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was Edgar in: children's movies? Action movies? Documentaries? Is he related to Edgar or Charlie? Does Charlie want to ask him a personal question? Charlie's parents relevant? Family ties relevant? | ||
| Tommyp (Tommyp)
New member Username: Tommyp Post Number: 588 Registered: 3-2004 |
Does Charlie immediately connect the number he sees with Edgar? does he connect Edgar with "someone who fixes everything"? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1402 Registered: 11-2008 |
Was Edgar in: children's movies? No Action movies? This is the closest; let us say action movies of a specific nature Documentaries? Is he related to Edgar or Charlie? Edgar is somehow related to Albert Does Charlie want to ask him a personal question? Possibly Charlie's parents relevant? A bit Family ties relevant? No Does Charlie immediately connect the number he sees with Edgar? Let us say yes does he connect Edgar with "someone who fixes everything"? No | ||
| Tommyp (Tommyp)
New member Username: Tommyp Post Number: 594 Registered: 3-2004 |
"Action movies of a specific nature": "Children's Action"? "Family Action"? Superhero movies? Fairy-tale based movie? Comics/magazine based movie? "Tales from the Crypt"-like ("Soft horror")? Fantasy Action? Sci-Fi Action? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1404 Registered: 11-2008 |
"Action movies of a specific nature": "Children's Action"? "Family Action"? Superhero movies? Fairy-tale based movie? Comics/magazine based movie? "Tales from the Crypt"-like ("Soft horror")? Fantasy Action? Neither. I've perhaps been a bit misleading. This kind of movies was very popular in the sixties and the seventies, and Edgar played in some of the greatest classics. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 578 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is the question about one of Edgar's movies? Was Albert involved in any of his movies? Does Charlie suspect he also was invovled - perhaps as a baby? Or does he want to ask something else about his childhood? Some kind of feud relevant? (Since war is not relevant in the usual sense) Other kind of personal conflict? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1412 Registered: 11-2008 |
Is the question about one of Edgar's movies? Not exactly Was Albert involved in any of his movies? Yes Does Charlie suspect he also was invovled - perhaps as a baby? No Or does he want to ask something else about his childhood? No Some kind of feud relevant? No (Since war is not relevant in the usual sense) Other kind of personal conflict?Sort of | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 684 Registered: 9-2009 |
A recap would be nice to summarize what's going on. | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 1202 Registered: 7-2009 |
Was he in Westerns? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1418 Registered: 11-2008 |
A recap would be nice to summarize what's going on. OK. Here goes the RECAP: Charlie sees a number on his grandfather Albert's cell phone. When the number appears on the screen, Albert and Charlie are together but Albert does not see or hear the telephone. As Charlie had seen the number before on a note (we assume he has a really good memory), he identifies the caller as a famous western actor Edgar. When he sees the number, it makes him feel relieved, reassured, and almost happy. Charlie has never met Edgar personally but he very likely admires him. He had heard about him from Albert. It is likely that he might receive from Edgar an information relating to one specific thing in the past, yet it is sufficient just to see the number for him to feel as he feels. Hope that's all :-)) Was he in Westerns? Yes indeed! | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 845 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is he happy: just for himself? Also from Albert? Relevant what Albert has told Charlie about Edgar? If Albert had seen the number, would he have felt the same way? Albert had tried to reach Edgar, correct? Has he felt down because he hasn't been able to? Is the reason why they lost touch important? Does Edgar still act in movies? Or otherwise appear in the media? Relevant? If he does not, is it relevant what he does nowadays? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1420 Registered: 11-2008 |
Is he happy: just for himself? Not just for himself... Also from Albert? ...but for Albert, too. Relevant what Albert has told Charlie about Edgar? Very much so If Albert had seen the number, would he have felt the same way? Not exactly the same way but he would probably have been happy and a bit relieved Albert had tried to reach Edgar, correct? Correct Has he felt down because he hasn't been able to? Exactly so Is the reason why they lost touch important? Moderately Does Edgar still act in movies? Yes Or otherwise appear in the media? He has also other activities related to the media Relevant? For our puzzle? I'd say a bit, because Charlie who is very young perceives him as a hero, too. However, I'd say his former activities are far more relevant than his present ones If he does not, is it relevant what he does nowadays? See above; we do not necessarily have to reveal Edgar's exact identity to be able to solve the puzzle (although it might help); what is important for us is the fact that in his time he was a very famous Western actor and that he is famous up to date | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 896 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did Albert tell Charlie about: being in movies with Edgar? How they met? Something they did together? A specific event? How good friends they were? How they lost touch? How much he wants to get in touch/misses him? Something that happened after they lost touch? Something also involving Charlie? His parents? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1439 Registered: 11-2008 |
Did Albert tell Charlie about: being in movies with Edgar? Yesish, worth exploring How they met? Not relevant Something they did together? Yesish, worth exploring A specific event? Yes - he probably named specific movies they were in, but for us it is all we need to know, it would not be worth the trouble to guess their specific titles. How good friends they were? This is most relevant of all How they lost touch? No How much he wants to get in touch/misses him? Noish Something that happened after they lost touch? No Something also involving Charlie? No His parents? No | ||
| Kaygee (Kaygee)
New member Username: Kaygee Post Number: 389 Registered: 9-2008 |
"despite the circumstances" -- Is Albert sick? injured? dying? And therefore Charlie is happy that the two old friends will have a chance to talk one last time? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1449 Registered: 11-2008 |
"despite the circumstances" -- Is Albert sick? No injured? No but you are getting warmer.... dying? ...and even warmer (but it's No again) And therefore Charlie is happy that the two old friends will have a chance to talk one last time? Good thinking but No. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 919 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is Charlie sick, injured or dying? How about Edgar? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1454 Registered: 11-2008 |
Is Charlie sick, injured or dying? Neither How about Edgar? Neither | ||
| Kaygee (Kaygee)
New member Username: Kaygee Post Number: 394 Registered: 9-2008 |
Hm-m...Has Albert died? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1463 Registered: 11-2008 |
Hm-m...Has Albert died? Yes | ||
| Tommyp (Tommyp)
New member Username: Tommyp Post Number: 1073 Registered: 3-2004 |
Did Edgar play in The Ghost Rider? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1466 Registered: 11-2008 |
Did Edgar play in The Ghost Rider? Afraid not | ||
| Probably_monty_hall (Probably_monty_hall)
New member Username: Probably_monty_hall Post Number: 130 Registered: 10-2009 |
Is timeframe relevant? If so, can we assume that Edgar did the majority of work in the 20th century? If so, [LTPF list of 20th c. decades], please. Some ideas: Had Albert not heard from Edgar in a long time? Were Albert or Charlie suspicious that Edgar had died? Had Edgar gone off to war? Had Edgar been implicated as a Communist sympathizer? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1469 Registered: 11-2008 |
Is timeframe relevant? Somehow If so, can we assume that Edgar did the majority of work in the 20th century? Yes, given he is a movie star ;-)) If so, [LTPF list of 20th c. decades], please. End of the fifties until now Some ideas: Had Albert not heard from Edgar in a long time? Yes Were Albert or Charlie suspicious that Edgar had died? No, he is so famous they would immediately know if he died Had Edgar gone off to war?No Had Edgar been implicated as a Communist sympathizer?No Oh, and it just dawned on me as a coincidence that although Edgar did not act in the Ghost Rider, he did act in a film with a very similar name (just change one of the words and you'll have it.) | ||
| Kaygee (Kaygee)
New member Username: Kaygee Post Number: 424 Registered: 9-2008 |
Does Edgar know that Albert is dead? I think this was covered earlier - but just to clarify - is Edgar related to Albert or Charlie? Were Edgar and Albert childhood friends? closer than brothers? Is Charlie happy because Edgar may be willing to provide the eulogy? Because Edgar has information that Charlie needs? Because Edgar can do something for Albert? or Charlie? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1486 Registered: 11-2008 |
Does Edgar know that Albert is dead? No I think this was covered earlier - but just to clarify - is Edgar related to Albert or Charlie? He is not a relative; however, there is some sort of relationship between Edgar and Albert Were Edgar and Albert childhood friends? No closer than brothers? No, not that close Is Charlie happy because Edgar may be willing to provide the eulogy? No; however, he does provide some sort of eulogy Because Edgar has information that Charlie needs? Possibly, but the main cause stems from the mere fact he is calling Because Edgar can do something for Albert? No or Charlie? No | ||
| Kaygee (Kaygee)
New member Username: Kaygee Post Number: 429 Registered: 9-2008 |
Did Edgar call because he was returning a call to Albert or Charlie? Did he call because of a premonition? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1497 Registered: 11-2008 |
Did Edgar call because he was returning a call to Albert Yes! or Charlie? Did he call because of a premonition? No | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1118 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did Charlie want to ask something Albert had never told him? That he meant to ask Albert but didn't get to do before he died? That Albert din't know? That he didn't want to say? Did he want to ask something Albert wanted to ask when he called? did Albert die in the last few days? Relevant? Relevant how he died? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1721 Registered: 11-2008 |
id Charlie want to ask something Albert had never told him? No That he meant to ask Albert but didn't get to do before he died? No That Albert din't know? No That he didn't want to say? No Did he want to ask something Albert wanted to ask when he called? No HINT: Charlie would probably want to ask Edgar something but this is not as relevant as the mere fact he is calling. did Albert die in the last few days? You mean before the phone call takes place? Yes; it would be helpful to investigate a closer time frame Relevant? Yesish Relevant how he died? Not really for the puzzle but the circumstances of his death are interesting | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1147 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did Albert call Edgar from his death bed? Did he want to: tell him something? Confess something? Ask something? Just get in touch before he died? Or did he not know he was soon going to die when he called? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1724 Registered: 11-2008 |
Did Albert call Edgar from his death bed? No Did he want to: tell him something? Confess something? Ask something? Just get in touch This before he died? No Or did he not know he was soon going to die when he called? Correct - he didn't | ||
| Noobdogg (Noobdogg)
Moderator Username: Noobdogg Post Number: 265 Registered: 3-2009 |
How about a recap / hint to liven this one up a bit, Alhucema? :-) | ||
| Amu (Amu)
New member Username: Amu Post Number: 28 Registered: 2-2010 |
Hi, I have just read through this puzzle... Albert has been trying to get in touch with his long-lost, famous friend, but then he tragically died (a few minutes before the actions of this puzzle?). Then as his grandson, Charlie mourns Albert (next to his deathbed?), he sees his mobile phone ring and realises that Edgar has finally rung him back, which, despite the circumstances, makes him smile. Is this correct? Is Charlie's life also in danger, or has Albert died of natural causes? or something like a car accident? is it relevant (how he died)? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1793 Registered: 11-2008 |
How about a recap / hint to liven this one up a bit, Alhucema? :-) I will do my best, but I am afraid it will take me some time Hi, I have just read through this puzzle... Hi, Amu, I am very pleased you joined in Albert has been trying to get in touch with his long-lost, famous friend, but then he tragically died (a few minutes before the actions of this puzzle?) Spot on. Then as his grandson, Charlie mourns Albert Yes (next to his deathbed?)No, as it is almost immediately after his death , he sees his mobile phone ring and realises that Edgar has finally rung him back, which, despite the circumstances, makes him smile. Yes Is this correct? Basically, yes, but there is one more important aspect to it yet to reveal Is Charlie's life also in danger No, or has Albert died of natural causes No? or something like a car accident No? is it relevant (how he died)? It is a very interesting detail, yet the puzzle statement would work even without it. | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 1183 Registered: 3-2006 |
It sounds to me like Albert and Edgar were lovers! Were they? If so, does Charlie know this? Before Albert died, he was trying to get in touch with Edgar, correct? Did he do this out of his own initiative? Did he want to get back in touch because he missed him? Because he wanted to prove to Charlie that he really did know Edgar? Had Charlie always thought that Albert had been lying to him about it, and the fact that Edgar's calling shows that his grandfather wasn't a liar after all? When you say 'yesish' about him being in movies with Edgar--did he actually act alongside Edgar? or did he work behind-the-scenes? Is Albert also famous? or was he? When Edgar didn't return Albert's call, Albert was down, correct? Was this because he thought that Edgar was angry with him? Didn't care about him anymore? Was in trouble? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1797 Registered: 11-2008 |
It sounds to me like Albert and Edgar were lovers! Were they? If so, does Charlie know this? Good idea, but a completely wrong track, sorry... Before Albert died, he was trying to get in touch with Edgar, correct? Yes Did he do this out of his own initiative? Yesish Did he want to get back in touch because he missed him? Not really Because he wanted to prove to Charlie that he really did know Edgar? Yes! Had Charlie always thought that Albert had been lying to him about it, and the fact that Edgar's calling shows that his grandfather wasn't a liar after all? Exactly - this is the gist of why Charlie was happy When you say 'yesish' about him being in movies with Edgar--did he actually act alongside Edgar? Yesish or did he work behind-the-scenes? Yesish Was Albert also famous? No or was he? No When Edgar didn't return Albert's call, Albert was down, correct? Correct Was this because he thought that Edgar was angry with him? Didn't care about him anymore? Was in trouble? Neither. See the questions answered above and the reason would perhaps be clearer | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 1192 Registered: 3-2006 |
Was Albert Edgar's body double? stunt double? did he do voice-overs? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1805 Registered: 11-2008 |
Was Albert Edgar's body double? stunt double? bingo! No to rest. did he do voice-overs? | ||
| Amu (Amu)
New member Username: Amu Post Number: 33 Registered: 2-2010 |
Did Albert die while trying to prove to Charlie that he is capable of doing some cool cowboy move that he did as Edgar's stunt double? Is Edgar Clint Eastwood...? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1810 Registered: 11-2008 |
Did Albert die while trying to prove to Charlie that he is capable of doing some cool cowboy move that he did as Edgar's stunt double? Not really Is Edgar Clint Eastwood...? Bingo! | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 1204 Registered: 3-2006 |
Is all that's left to find out how Albert died? Did he die by accident? Illness? Murder? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1817 Registered: 11-2008 |
Is all that's left to find out how Albert died? There are several things left to find out: 1) How and why Albert died. 2) The exact reason why Charlie was so glad that Edgar returned Albert's call. Did he die by accident? Illness? Murder? This-ish | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1353 Registered: 9-2009 |
Suicide? Assisted suicide? Second-degree murder? Was he killed by: poison? A weapon? Physical trauma? Relevant where he was killed? Who killed him? Why he was killed? | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 1211 Registered: 3-2006 |
Oh, I thought Charlie was glad because it proved that his grandfather hadn't been lying to him about knowing Edgar? Or is there something more to it? Is what Charlie thinks logical? Does he make a mistake? Did Charlie suspect that Edgar might have had a hand in the murder of Albert? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1819 Registered: 11-2008 |
Suicide? Assisted suicide? This-ish Second-degree murder? No Was he killed by: poison? A weapon? This Physical trauma? Relevant where he was killed? Yes Who killed him? Yope Why he was killed? Yesish Oh, I thought Charlie was glad because it proved that his grandfather hadn't been lying to him about knowing Edgar? Yes, of course you are right. I forgot that we have already established this. Sorry for that. Or is there something more to it? No, and sorry again Is what Charlie thinks logical? Does he make a mistake? Did Charlie suspect that Edgar might have had a hand in the murder of Albert? No I have read the puzzle all over, and I realized that you have already established the relevant "why" in the puzzle statement. The "how and why Albert died" is interesting as such but does not influence the solution as I have put it. I will leave the puzzle for some more time and ask you to post a short summary, and then I will spoyle. | ||
| Amu (Amu)
New member Username: Amu Post Number: 43 Registered: 2-2010 |
Attempt at a summary: Charlie's grandfather always told stories to Charlie about how, when he was younger, he was friends with Clint Eastwood when he was working as his stunt double in western movies. Charlie did not believe this, and therefore his grandfather tried to contact Clint to prove it. However, it is not as easy to get in touch with Clint Eastwood nowadays as one would think, and he has as yet not returned his call. However, on the day Albert died, in fact a few minutes after his death as Charlie was standing over his grandfather's body mourning him, Albert's phone rang - Charlie recognised Clint's number, which put a smile on his face realising his grandfather's last wish (?) has come true - he proved it to Charlie that his tales were true. I am interested in how Albert died. Did he know he was dying, was his last wish to hear from Clint, was his life support switched off? Long shot: Did he jump off the bridge Clint jumps off in one of his movies? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1824 Registered: 11-2008 |
Attempt at a summary: Charlie's grandfather always told stories to Charlie about how, when he was younger, he was friends with Clint Eastwood when he was working as his stunt double in western movies. Charlie did not believe this, and therefore his grandfather tried to contact Clint to prove it. However, it is not as easy to get in touch with Clint Eastwood nowadays as one would think, and he has as yet not returned his call. However, on the day Albert died, in fact a few minutes after his death as Charlie was standing over his grandfather's body mourning him, Albert's phone rang - Charlie recognised Clint's number, which put a smile on his face realising his grandfather's last wish (?) has come true - he proved it to Charlie that his tales were true. Correct in all substantial matters. I can spoyle now (although your summary is so precise I have very little to add to it)as you all deserve it and the puzzle statement has already been answered. Do you want me to, or do you want to keep guessing a little more about the circumstances of Albert's death? I am interested in how Albert died.You are right, the circumstances of his death are very special. Did he know he was dying Yes, was his last wish to hear from Clint No, was his life support switched off? No Long shot: Did he jump off the bridge Clint jumps off in one of his movies? No :-)) | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1856 Registered: 11-2008 |
OK, I will not torment you anymore - I am posting the ***************SPOILER*************** This puzzle was based on a Spanish film „800 bullets“. WARNING - the following text contains several spoylers for those who had not seen the film. Albert (Julián in the movie) is an old stuntman who lived his best days when American westerns were shot in southern Spain. However, these times are long gone and forgotten and Julián now makes a poor living in the decaying film village near the city of Almería once used in the westerns along with his old colleagues, doing stunt shows for tourists. Julián’s son, also a stuntman, died while doing a stunt with his father, who still feels guilty about it, even more so because his own ex-wife and his daughter-in-law – Laura - broke all contacts with him, and even told his grandson (Charlie – Carlos in the film) that his grandfather was dead. Carlos – who is a bit of tearaway – learns that his grandfather is still alive, and joins him. Julián tells him stories how he acted a stunt double for Clint Eastwood. But Laura, who is a powerful executive looking for a new site for a tourist resort, decides to kill two birds with one stone and build it by destroying the old film village, thus purposefully ruining Julián’s life. Julián decides to fight back but feels gradually abandoned by all his former colleagues, and finally by Carlos himself. In the last desperate attempt to retain his grandson’s confidence, he claims again that he was a good friend of Clint Eastwood, and to prove it, he takes a paper where he noted Eastwood’s phone number years ago, and calls him. Someone answers the call and says Mr Eastwood cannot take the call right now. Desperate, Julián leaves a message that he had called. Carlos now thinks that Julián has lied to him, and leaves with his mother. The desperate Julián defies a colleague stuntman who used to play the „baddie“ in their show for the tourists, and who in reality hates him, to put live ammo instead of blanks in his pistol, and is killed by him. Meanwhile, Laura and Carlos return, only to find Julián’s dead body. When Carlos cries over it, Julián’s mobile phone rings and Clint Eastwood’s number appears on it – a proof that Julián was not lying after all. Clint Eastwood is even present at Julián’s funeral, telling Charlie that he and his grandfather had been good friends. An interesting detail – the director of the film, Álex de la Iglesia, wanted the real Clint Eastwood in the film (he appears just for several seconds), and was even willing to go to the States to make the scene with him, but Clint declined, claiming he was too busy, so they had to use another actor, obscuring his face. Thank you all for participating! |
