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Alhucema (Alhucema)
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Posted on Monday, January 11, 2010 - 11:37 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

They broke one law, and were very likely to end up in prison.
But, because they broke another law as well, they didn't.

How come?

To save you the initial trouble - all the "theys" refer to the same group of people, all of which are HAM
Galfisk (Galfisk)
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Posted on Monday, January 11, 2010 - 2:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did they go free? Or did something worse happen to them? Like death? Did they go into hiding? Escape to another country? Or were they deported? Did the police stop looking for them?
Did they break the law that kept them out of prison, after they broke the first law? Relevant what they did to risk ending up in prison? Did the second crime absolve them from the first one?
Relevant where this happened? When? Laws unique to a particular country relevant? Laws of more than one country relevant?
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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Posted on Monday, January 11, 2010 - 5:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did they go free? No Or did something worse happen to them? Yes Like death? Yes Did they go into hiding?No Escape to another country? No Or were they deported? No Did the police stop looking for them? Yes
Did they break the law that kept them out of prison, after they broke the first law? No Relevant what they did to risk ending up in prison? Yes Did the second crime absolve them from the first one? No
Relevant where this happened? Not really, in general terms When? Anytime in, say, the last five decades would do Laws unique to a particular country relevant? No Laws of more than one country relevant? And so, yes
Galfisk (Galfisk)
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Posted on Monday, January 11, 2010 - 5:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did they kill themselves? Intentionally? by accident? Or were they killed by someone else? Intentionally? Executed? Terrorism relevant? War? Traffic accident? Were they just in the wrong place at the wrong time? Bank robbery relevant?
Did they die by: weapon? firearm? Explosion? Fall? Impact? Drowning? Fire? Suffocation? Poison? Injury to a specific body part?
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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Posted on Monday, January 11, 2010 - 6:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did they kill themselves? Yes Intentionally? No by accident? Yes Or were they killed by someone else? No Intentionally? No Executed? No Terrorism relevant? No War? No Traffic accident? No Were they just in the wrong place at the wrong time? Yesish, you can define it as this Bank robbery relevant? No
Did they die by: weapon? firearm? Explosion? Fall? Likely Impact? Sort of (DOYD of impact) Drowning? Fire? Suffocation? Poison? Injury to a specific body part?
Galfisk (Galfisk)
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Posted on Monday, January 11, 2010 - 7:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were they fleeing at the moment? On foot? Did they fall down an incline? Fall off of something? Did they jump over something, only to find that there was a very long way down on the other side?
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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Posted on Monday, January 11, 2010 - 7:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were they fleeing at the moment? No On foot? Did they fall down an incline? No Fall off of something? Yesish Did they jump over something, only to find that there was a very long way down on the other side? Interesting idea, but no
Galfisk (Galfisk)
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Posted on Tuesday, January 12, 2010 - 11:47 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did they fall from a vehicle? From something else moving? Did something else fall along with them? Were they trespassing at the moment? Was the second crime linked to the first? A result of the first?
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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Posted on Tuesday, January 12, 2010 - 11:52 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did they fall from a vehicle? No From something else moving? No Did something else fall along with them? Yes Were they trespassing at the moment? Yes Was the second crime linked to the first? FA A result of the first? FA
Kalira (Kalira)
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Posted on Tuesday, January 12, 2010 - 1:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Second law broken = law of nature? physics? (or is it actually one created by man?)

First law broken = law created by man? Is the first law they broke the one against trespassing?
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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Second law broken = law of nature? Yes physics? Yes (or is it actually one created by man?) No

First law broken = law created by man? Yes Is the first law they broke the one against trespassing? You mean entering someone's property without permission? If so, the answer is Noish (as what they did probably included trespassing as well but as such it would not bring them to prison or make them die. There was another law I was referring to)
Galfisk (Galfisk)
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Posted on Wednesday, January 13, 2010 - 2:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did they run afoul of the law of: gravity? Conservation of momentum? Thermodynamics? Did something fall over? On top of them? Were they climbing? Were they BASE jumpers? Did they die before they were finished with their first crime?
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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Posted on Thursday, January 14, 2010 - 11:05 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did they run afoul of the law of: gravity? Definitely Conservation of momentum? Don't think so; however, take into account I am not a specialist on physics Thermodynamics? No Did something fall over? Yes On top of them? Yes Were they climbing? Yesish Were they BASE jumpers? No Did they die before they were finished with their first crime? Yes
Galfisk (Galfisk)
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Posted on Thursday, January 14, 2010 - 3:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were they trying to break in? Did they tip something over? On top of themselves? Were they trying to tip it over? Explosives involved? Is the thing that fell on them smaller than a: cat? Microwave? Washing machine? Vending Machine? Car? Truck? House? Was it a vehicle? Part of one? If not, is a vehicle still invovled? Were they trying to steal the object that fell on them?
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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Posted on Friday, January 15, 2010 - 8:07 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were they trying to break in? Yesish Did they tip something over? No On top of themselves? No Were they trying to tip it over? No Explosives involved? No Is the thing that fell on them smaller than a: cat? Microwave? Washing machine? Vending Machine? Car? Truck? House? No to all Was it a vehicle? No Part of one? No If not, is a vehicle still invovled? No Were they trying to steal the object that fell on them? Yesish
Galfisk (Galfisk)
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Posted on Friday, January 15, 2010 - 9:51 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did they bring down a whole building on top of themselves? Or part of it? Or not building but another structure? Or is a ship invovled? Airplane? Other vehicle? Construction equipment?
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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Posted on Friday, January 15, 2010 - 11:16 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did they bring down a whole building on top of themselves? Yes Or part of it? This would be possible as well Or not building but another structure? Yesish for structure Or is a ship invovled? Airplane? Other vehicle? Construction equipment? No to the rest
Galfisk (Galfisk)
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Posted on Friday, January 15, 2010 - 12:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were they trying to steal the building? Steal part of it? Did they remove load bearing parts? Or damage them? Were they stealing material to sell for scrap? Like steel? Were they using tools? Cutting tools? Drilling tools?
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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Posted on Friday, January 15, 2010 - 12:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were they trying to steal the building? Steal part of it? This Did they remove load bearing parts? Yes Or damage them? And also this Were they stealing material to sell for scrap? Yes Like steel? Exactly so Were they using tools? Yes Cutting tools? Very likely Drilling tools? Very likely
Galfisk (Galfisk)
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Posted on Friday, January 15, 2010 - 1:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

ah, so they broke in/trespassed (on a construction site? In a finished building?), removed load-bearing steel parts to sell for scrap, ahd had the building collapse on top of them, killing them. They broke the law by stealing, which would've landed them in jail, and broke the laws of physics, which splattered them - thus keeping them out of jail.
Is there more to find out here?
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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Posted on Friday, January 15, 2010 - 6:35 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

ah, so they broke in/trespassed (on a construction site? In a finished building?), This; in fact, in this case, an abandoned warehouse removed load-bearing steel parts to sell for scrap Yes, ahd had the building collapse on top of them, killing them. Yes They broke the law by stealing, which would've landed them in jail, Exactly so and broke the laws of physics, which splattered them - thus keeping them out of jail. Spot on.
Is there more to find out here?

No, there isn't, and your summary is so precise I do not even need to publish a


******************SPOILER*********************

The men were, indeed, thieves attempting to steal steel to sell it for scrap. They selected an abandoned factory warehouse and started cutting the steel girders supporting the roof. Obviously, the roof collapsed on them and fatally crushed two of them.

A true story. They even made it to Darwin Awards nomination for 2007.

Thank you all for participating, and kudos to Galfisk for cutting the final beam :-))

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