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Posted on Monday, March 22, 2010 - 1:34 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

He was sick, so he moved into an older house.
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He 1 =he 2?

Was his a temporary sickness, or rather a chronic one?

Did moving into an older house cure him? Did he hope it would?

Did he move because of the sickness? Money? Change of climate?
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He 1 =he 2? No.

Was his a temporary sickness, or rather a chronic one? Chronic.

Did moving into an older house cure him? Did he hope it would? No to both.

Did he move because of the sickness? This. Money? Change of climate?
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So can we say Bill was sick and so Mike moved into an older house?

Is Bill HAM? Is Mike? Are they relatives? If so, is one of them father/brother/grandfather of the other?

WOuld it help to find out what kind of illness Bill suffers?
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D'oh! Blooper: He1 DOES = He2. Sorry! We'll call him Bill.

So can we say Bill was sick and so Bill moved into an older house? Yes.

Is Bill HAM? Yes.

WOuld it help to find out what kind of illness Bill suffers? Yes.
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Is the condition Bill is suffering contagious? Curable? Fatal?

Does it affect his entire body? Blood? Head? Limbs? Internal organs?

Did the move make Bill's life easier while it did not cure him as such?

Are any other relevant people involved?
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Is the condition Bill is suffering contagious? No. Curable? No, treatable though. Fatal? It can be.

Does it affect his entire body? Yes. Blood? Head? Limbs? Internal organs?

Did the move make Bill's life easier while it did not cure him as such? Correct.

Are any other relevant people involved? No.
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Is Bill's disease a rare one? Some sort of muscular dystrophia? Does it affect his ability to move?

Did he select the old house just because it is old? Because of its location? Is it in the same country as his previous house? Because of its internal arrangement? Its price?

Is there something special about the house we should find out?
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Is Bill's disease a rare one? No. Some sort of muscular dystrophia? No. Does it affect his ability to move? It can.

Did he select the old house just because it is old? Because of its location? Is it in the same country as his previous house? Yes. Because of its internal arrangement? Thisish. Its price?

Is there something special about the house we should find out? About older houses in general -- yes.
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Is there something older houses have, that newer don't? Or something newer ones have, that older don't? Basement relevant? Stairs? Bathroom? some other room? Or architectural feature? Relevant where the older house is? If so: in the city? Suburbs? Country?
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Is asbestos relevant at all?
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Is he allergic to something?
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Is there something older houses have, that newer don't? Yesish. Or something newer ones have, that older don't? Basement relevant? Stairs? Bathroom? Likely. some other room? Possibly. Which room, precisely, is irrelevant. Or architectural feature? Relevant where the older house is? Geographically, yes. If so: in the city? Suburbs? Country? No or irr to the rest.

Is asbestos relevant at all? No.

Is he allergic to something? No.
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Is it (or is it likely that it will become) difficult for him to walk? Sit? Relevant?
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Is it (or is it likely that it will become) difficult for him to walk? Eventually. Sit? I don't think so. Relevant? Maybe if it helps you figure out the condition, otherwise no.
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Is the disease likely to deteriorate progressively?

Does it affect just the body? Or the mind? Or both?

Would older house be more suitable because: it has larger doorframes? Does not have stairs? Will it help Bill physically or rather psychologically? Does it remind him of something?

Will he live in the house alone? Relevant?
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Is the disease likely to deteriorate progressively? Yesish.

Does it affect just the body? Or the mind? Or both? This.

Would older house be more suitable because: it has larger doorframes? No. Does not have stairs? No. Will it help Bill physically or rather psychologically? Not much for either. Does it remind him of something? No.

Will he live in the house alone? Relevant? No.
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Does moving in the older house help him at all? Or does he just imagine it would?

Alzheimer relevant? Cancer?
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Does he have MS?
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Does moving in the older house help him at all? Yes, indirectly. Or does he just imagine it would? No.

Alzheimer relevant? Cancer?

Does he have MS? None of these.
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arthritis?

Does relevant feature of the older house have to do with: size of something? placement of something? presence of something? absence of something? arrangement of something? function of something?

Is ceiling height relevant?

Is a law relevant? For example, by law, houses in the US built since 1992 have different plumbing fixtures than older houses (to conserve water). Is a law like that responsible for the difference between older and newer houses?
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arthritis? No.

Does relevant feature of the older house have to do with: size of something? placement of something? presence of something? This. absence of something? arrangement of something? function of something? In a sense.

Is ceiling height relevant? No.

Is a law relevant? No. For example, by law, houses in the US built since 1992 have different plumbing fixtures than older houses (to conserve water). Is a law like that responsible for the difference between older and newer houses?
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Presence of a certain type of heating? Distribution of water (you said it is in the bathroom)? Is it just one thing we are talking about, or rather a system?
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A laundry chute?
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Presence of a certain type of heating? Distribution of water (you said it is in the bathroom)? This. Is it just one thing we are talking about, or rather a system? A system.

A laundry chute? No.
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Water taps relevant? Shower? Toilet flush? Water tubes?
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Water taps relevant? This. Shower? Toilet flush? Water tubes? And this.
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I don't know what a water tube is. Is that the same as a water pipe?

In older houses, the hot water and cold water usually come out of separate taps, whereas in newer houses, the hot and cold water combine into one tap. Is this relevant?
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I don't know what a water tube is. Is that the same as a water pipe? Assume yes.

In older houses, the hot water and cold water usually come out of separate taps, whereas in newer houses, the hot and cold water combine into one tap. Is this relevant? No.
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The material of the water system relevant? Its layout?

Do I have to have a special understanding of how it works as such/in a specific country to figure this out?

Oh, and country relevant ? If so /LTPF list of countries/?
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The material of the water system relevant? Yes. Its layout? No.

Do I have to have a special understanding of how it works as such/ No. in a specific country Mildly. to figure this out?

Oh, and country relevant ? Yes. If so /LTPF list of countries/? Assume Italy, though there are other possibilities.
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The material in the older houses: Copper? Iron? Plastic? Lead (I hope not ;-))
Same question for the newer houses.

Is just the material relevant, or is there more to it? Does the material in newer houses deteriorate Bill's condition? Does the material in older ones help improve it?
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The material in the older houses: Copper? Iron? Plastic? Lead (I hope not ;-)) Lead.
Same question for the newer houses. Also lead.

Is just the material relevant, or is there more to it? The latter. Does the material in newer houses deteriorate Bill's condition? Yep. Does the material in older ones help improve it? No.
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Lead poisoning relevant?

Is there any difference between lead water pipes in old vs new houses? Are the old house pipes somehow isolated so that lead does not get into the water? Does lead get into the water at all? If so, in old/new houses?
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Lead poisoning relevant? Yes.

Is there any difference between lead water pipes in old vs new houses? Yes. Are the old house pipes somehow isolated so that lead does not get into the water? In a way, yes. Does lead get into the water at all? Yes. If so, in old/new houses? New.
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So Bill lives in a new house but lead from the water pipes deteriorates his illness. He moves to an older house because he knows its water system does not allow lead to contaminate the water. Correct so far?

What is left for us to find out? The exact nature of Bill's disease? The exact reason why lead does not "leak out" in old houses?
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So Bill lives in a new house but lead from the water pipes deteriorates his illness. He moves to an older house because he knows its water system does not allow lead to contaminate the water. Correct so far? Yes.

What is left for us to find out? The exact nature of Bill's disease? The exact reason why lead does not "leak out" in old houses? This.
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Is there a layer of a different material in the old house pipes isolating lead from water?
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Is there a layer of a different material in the old house pipes isolating lead from water? Yes.
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Is this layer paint? Metal? Is it intended to be there, or is it a result of corrosion or similar ageing process?
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Is this layer paint? Metal? Is it intended to be there, or is it a result of corrosion or similar ageing process? No to all.
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So it is not intended to be there?
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Oh, and is his health problem just lead poisoning, or is there a different disease which gets worse with the ingestion of lead?
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So it is not intended to be there? Correct.

Oh, and is his health problem just lead poisoning, or is there a different disease which gets worse with the ingestion of lead? Irr.
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Is the protective layer: manmade? Natural? Alive? Was it there from the start? Are the pipes lead? Or are only the solder joints lead? Is the layer solid? Liquid? Electrode potential of lead compared to other metals relevant?
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Is the protective layer: manmade? Natural? This. Alive? No. Was it there from the start? No. Are the pipes lead? This. Or are only the solder joints lead? Is the layer solid? This. Liquid? Electrode potential of lead compared to other metals relevant? No.
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Heureka! The inside of the lead pipes is covered with limestone, ain't it?
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Or other mineral deposits? Could he just as well have moved to a house with copper pipes and lead-free solder? Or steel pipes? Or plastic pipes? Did this happen before the advent of such pipes? Or before they became widespread?
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Heureka! The inside of the lead pipes is covered with limestone, ain't it? Good work!

Or other mineral deposits? Others are possible. Could he just as well have moved to a house with copper pipes and lead-free solder? Or steel pipes? Or plastic pipes? Yes. Did this happen before the advent of such pipes? Yes. Or before they became widespread?

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Our patient lived in Ancient Rome. The Romans knew lead was poisonous. They also knew their water was hard. Because they never cleaned their plumbing, this meant that people suffering from lead poisoning could simply be moved to an older house where calcium carbonate had built up in the pipes, blocking the lead from leaching into the water.

Great job on this one, especially Alhucema. Check out my other puzzles, they're languishing!
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And thanks for the puzzle, Jenburdoo! I had no idea limestone could help someone's health in such a lateral manner!

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