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Looks like a rock.
Acts like a rock.
Wouldn't taste like a rock, though...

What's going on?
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Rock = stone?

Is someone reasonably assumed to taste it?
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Is it a mineral? Would it taste good? Foul? Strange?
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Shoot, I forgot my name again. Moderators, can someone please fix it? Thanks, and sorry!

Rock = stone? yes

Is someone reasonably assumed to taste it?yes

Is it a mineral? no Would it taste good? yope Foul? yope Strange? yope
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Is it natural? Manmade? Would it sink like a rock? Does it dissolve in water? Is it a substance? Is it meant for: human consumption? Animal consumption? Is it a salt lick stone for animals? (The red ones for cows are tasty =)
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The Blarney Stone?
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Ireland rulez! ;-)))
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Is it alive? Is it a decoration? Would it taste like another food?
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Is it natural? yes Manmade? no Would it sink like a rock? not sure...probably Does it dissolve in water? no Is it a substance? no Is it meant for: human consumption? no Animal consumption? yope Is it a salt lick stone for animals? no (The red ones for cows are tasty =)

The Blarney Stone? no
Ireland rulez! ;-))) maybe so, but irrel =)
Is it alive? yes Is it a decoration? no Would it taste like another food? yes, but DOYD of food
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Is it an animal? If so, insect? mammal? bird? fish? reptile? other?
A plant? If so, does it grow naturally?
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Is it a fungus? A bacterial clump? an exoskeleton? such as coral?
"acts like a rock" - does it never grow? or grow very slowly? can it be used to build? as a weapon?
could you place a bit of it in your mouth? would it stimulate your tastebuds in any way? does it have a discernable odour? would consumption of it be harmful to humans? do any humans actively seek this to eat?
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Is it an animal? yes If so, insect? mammal? bird? fish? reptile? other? this one

A plant? noIf so, does it grow naturally?

Is it a fungus? A bacterial clump? an exoskeleton? such as coral? none of the above

"acts like a rock" - does it never grow? irrel or grow very slowly? irrel can it be used to build? no as a weapon? no
could you place a bit of it in your mouth? yes, if you wanted to would it stimulate your tastebuds in any way? it would have a taste does it have a discernable odour? I would assume yes would consumption of it be harmful to humans? I don't know do any humans actively seek this to eat? I doubt it
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Is it bigger than a book? a microwave? Or do I need a microscope to see it?
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Is it bigger than a book? a microwave? Or do I need a microscope to see it? none of the above...and to save you the question, I'll just tell you, it's about an inch
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Is it a fossil?
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Is it a fossil? no
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Is it alive? Extinct?

Does (or did) it live in water? earth? under the earth?
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Is it alive? yes Extinct?so no

Does (or did) it live in water? yope earth? I'm not sure how to answer this because I'm not sure how living in earth is different from living under the earth. Sorry under the earth? no
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does it use its rock-like exterior as camouflage? Is it hard like a rock? Does it act like a rock as a defense against predators? Does it get oxygen from: air? water? Is it dangerous to humans? Is it used as food for humans? Is it a crustacean?
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does it use its rock-like exterior as camouflage? yes Is it hard like a rock? yope Does it act like a rock as a defense against predators? yes Does it get oxygen from: air? yes water? yope Is it dangerous to humans? don't know. Assume no Is it used as food for humans? not that I know of Is it a crustacean? no
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Does it get air from water at some stage of its life? Does it have a hard shell? Does it live on land? Is it found on all continents (except maybe Antarctica)? If not, is it found on [LTPF list of continents]? Does it have legs? Wings? Antennae? Eyes?
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Does it get air from water at some stage of its life? yes Does it have a hard shell? no Does it live on land? yes Is it found on all continents (except maybe Antarctica)? no If not, is it found on [LTPF list of continents]? South America Does it have legs? yes Wings? no Antennae? no Eyes? yes
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Is it an amphibian? If so, a frog? Toad? Newt? Salamander?
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Is it an amphibian? yes If so, a frog? this one Toad? Newt? Salamander?
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Does licking it produce hallucinogenic effects?
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Does licking it produce hallucinogenic effects? don't know...irrelevant
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So somewhere in South America lives a frog with a rock-like pattern which it uses as camouflage. Correct?

Do people/animals eat the frog?
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So somewhere in South America lives a frog with a rock-like pattern which it uses as camouflage. Correct? yes, but there is more to find out about why it is like a rock

Do people/animals eat the frog? don't know about people. Assume no.
Yes to animals
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So the "taste like a rock") in the puzzle statement would refer to animals?

Does the frog look always like a rock? Or is it able to change its appearance? According to its environment?

Does it have this camouflage just to trick its enemies? Or is there more to it?
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So the "taste like a rock") in the puzzle statement would refer to animals? Right. If an animal were to eat this frog, it wouldn't taste like a rock, it would taste like frog.

Does the frog look always like a rock? yes Or is it able to change its appearance? noish According to its environment? no

Does it have this camouflage just to trick its enemies? yes Or is there more to it? no
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What more do you want us to find out? Which country the frog is in? Which habitat? What it's called? Is it called stone frog? Rock frog? Pebble frog?
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What more do you want us to find out? There are three parts to the puzzle statement. You've figured out the two easier parts.
Which country the frog is in? irrel Which habitat? a general sense of this might help you What it's called? irrel, but...Is it called stone frog? Rock frog? Pebble frog ...this is what it's called (so, of course, please don't google it until after the puzzle!)
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Does it act like a rock: when threatened? When hibernating? when touched? When something else relevant happens? Does it also feel like a rock when it acts that way?
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Does it act like a rock: when threatened? yes When hibernating? no when touched? yes When something else relevant happens? no Does it also feel like a rock when it acts that way? interesting question. I would say that in one way, it does
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Does it become hard when touched?
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Does it become hard when touched? yes
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So the pebble frog looks like a rock, and when its potential enemy touches it, it becomes hard as a rock. However, it would probably taste more like a frog than like a rock.

Is this all, or is there more for us to find?
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So the pebble frog looks like a rock, and when its potential enemy touches it, it becomes hard as a rock. However, it would probably taste more like a frog than like a rock.all correct

Is this all, or is there more for us to find? Definitely more. Hint: you've got two options that I can think of for going about this. The more direct way would be to think of how rocks can "act." The more indirect way would be to find out more about its habitat first, which might help you with the rest
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How rocks can act:
They sink in water.
They break into pieces.
They can roll short distances.

Are any of these relevant?
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How rocks can act:
They sink in water.no or noish
They break into pieces.definitely not
They can roll short distances.yesish

Are any of these relevant?see above
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The habitat: water? vegetation? rocky environment?
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The habitat: water? no vegetation?no rocky environment?yes
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Does the frog just merge with its environment as another pebble?
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Does the frog just merge with its environment as another pebble? you mean is it camouflaged? Yes. But there is more to it than the way it looks. What does it do?
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Does it: stay perfectly still? Hide un-pebblelike parts of its body? Change color? Does it move? Do the real pebbles move? Are they underwater? Or do they blow around? Does it hold onto a pebble? Is there usually one frog in a place acting like a pebble? Ore are there many frogs that all act like pebbles as a group? Relevant?
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Does it: stay perfectly still? no Hide un-pebblelike parts of its body? no Change color? no Does it move? yes Do the real pebbles move? yesish Are they underwater? they=frog? or pebbles? No to frog. For pebbles, there aren't any specific pebbles that are relevant to the puzzle Or do they blow around? again, they=frog? or pebble? No to both. Does it hold onto a pebble? no Is there usually one frog in a place acting like a pebble? yes Ore are there many frogs that all act like pebbles as a group? no Relevant? maybe slightly
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Does it roll with the real pebbles? By tucking itself into a ball and letting gravity take its course?
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Does it roll with the real pebbles? yes By tucking itself into a ball and letting gravity take its course? yes!

care to put it all together?
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There is a frog who, when threatened, will curl into a ball and harden its skin to appear as a small pebble. In this state, it will allow its motion to emulate that of a real pebble...remaining still, rolling with gravity, possibly being moved around by force...but if another animal happened to come along and lick the frog or eat the frog, even though it tastes like a rock, looks like a rock, it will not taste like a rock. This it?
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Use this one instead of the above...I made a goof in my typing.

There is a frog who, when threatened, will curl into a ball and harden its skin to appear as a small pebble. In this state, it will allow its motion to emulate that of a real pebble...remaining still, rolling with gravity, possibly being moved around by force...but if another animal happened to come along and lick the frog or eat the frog, even though it acts like a rock, looks like a rock, it will not taste like a rock. This it?
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There is a frog who, when threatened, will curl into a ball and harden its skin to appear as a small pebble.close enough...it doesn't harden its skin, but it stiffens its muscles so that its whole body is hard In this state, it will allow its motion to emulate that of a real pebble...remaining still, NO rolling with gravity, yes possibly being moved around by force no ...but if another animal happened to come along and lick the frog or eat the frog, even though it acts like a rock, looks like a rock, it will not taste like a rock. This it?

close enough for a

***SPOILER***

See above. I could make you figure out one last detail, but I think it's being picky so I'll just add it here: The frog's habitat is a very unusual location, which is a special kind of very rocky and VERY steep mountain (I forget what it's called). Because the slope is so steep, when it stiffens up, gravity causes it to tumble down the side of the mountain for quite a while until it comes to rest at the bottom -- at which point it has fallen so far from the predator that it can unroll and go back to being a frog.

The frog is so lightweight (lighter than a paperclip!) that all the bouncing on the side of the rocky mountain doesn't break it.

The frog is called the pebble frog (or pebble toad). Here's a video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYdCGV6qu9o
The funny thing is that I learned about the frog on the PBS series "Life," but this clip is from the BBC and uses the same exact video with different narration.
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Now THAT is amazing! How on earth did they do the timing when the frog meets its opponent on the top of the rock? Brave little thing.

Thanks, Jenburdoo, for an excellent puzzle and an interesting piece of information!
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It's actually my puzzle, but you're welcome =)

I often wonder about nature videos how much of it is staged...but it's a cool video nonetheless.
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Oh, sorry for that, Noel... I wonder what I was thinking about?

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