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Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Posted on Tuesday, March 30, 2010 - 12:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

They died because they weren't sitting together. Explain.

They are H/A/M.
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Posted on Tuesday, March 30, 2010 - 3:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are They 2 people? 3? 4 or more?
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Posted on Tuesday, March 30, 2010 - 3:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

were they: shot? Eaten? Burnt? Blown up? Drowned? Dropped from great height? Hung? Crushed? Electrocuted? frozen? Did they die one by one? Or all at once? Distribution of weight relevant? Conservation of heat? Defense against enemies? Or animals? Would they have been fine, had they been standing together? Were they in a vehicle?
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Posted on Tuesday, March 30, 2010 - 10:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are They 2 people? 3? This. 4 or more?

were they: shot? Eaten? Burnt? Blown up? Drowned? This seems likely. Dropped from great height? Hung? Crushed? Electrocuted? frozen? Did they die one by one? Or all at once? Probably this. Distribution of weight relevant? No. Conservation of heat? No. Defense against enemies? No. Or animals? No. Would they have been fine, had they been standing together? CA. Were they in a vehicle? Yes.
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Posted on Tuesday, March 30, 2010 - 11:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the vehicle a watercraft? Aircraft? Land vehicle?
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Posted on Tuesday, March 30, 2010 - 11:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the vehicle a watercraft? Aircraft? This. Land vehicle?
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Posted on Wednesday, March 31, 2010 - 8:04 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the aircraft: catch fire? Crash? Fall apart? Fall into the ocean? Or a lake? They=all the people on the aircraft? Is the aircraft a plane? Balloon? Airship? Helicopter? Would they all have survived, had they been sitting together? Could they have known beforehand that they would die because they were not?
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Posted on Wednesday, March 31, 2010 - 2:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the aircraft: catch fire? Crash? Fall apart? Fall into the ocean? This. Or a lake? They=all the people on the aircraft? Yes. Is the aircraft a plane? This. Balloon? Airship? Helicopter? Would they all have survived, had they been sitting together? Probably. Could they have known beforehand that they would die because they were not? Yes.
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Posted on Wednesday, March 31, 2010 - 5:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Would the plane not have fallen, had they been sitting together? Or would they have survived the crash? Was it a passenger plane? Were they sitting in seats in different places in the plane? Was there something wrong with the plane before it hit the water? Did they cause the problem? Should they have been sitting together with the pilot? Or would it have been sufficient if the passengers were sitting together? Any crew in addition to the pilot? If so: cockpit crew? Cabin crew? Relevant which decade this happened? where it happened? Is it a true story?
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Would the plane not have fallen, had they been sitting together? Probably correct. Or would they have survived the crash? No. Was it a passenger plane? Yes, but not for the purposes of the puzzle. Were they sitting in seats in different places in the plane? Yes. Was there something wrong with the plane before it hit the water? Yes. Did they cause the problem? Yes. Should they have been sitting together with the pilot? Yes. Or would it have been sufficient if the passengers were sitting together? CA. Any crew in addition to the pilot? Yes. If so: cockpit crew? Yes. Cabin crew? Yope. Relevant which decade this happened? Yes. where it happened? Yes. Is it a true story? Yes.
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Posted on Thursday, April 01, 2010 - 10:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

To clarify who's who:
Is 1 of them a pilot? 2? 3?
Is 1 of them a copilot/off-duty pilot? 2? 3?
Is 1 of them just a passenger with no flight training? 2? 3?

Did the plane crash because of human error? A mechanical problem? An external obstacle?

Could they have stopped this from happening by sharing information? By each using their own skills? Did they need three bodies physically present to perform some task?
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Posted on Friday, April 02, 2010 - 3:52 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

To clarify who's who:
Is 1 of them a pilot? Yes. 2? 3?
Is 1 of them a copilot/off-duty pilot? Yes. 2? 3?
Is 1 of them just a passenger with no flight training? No. 2? 3?

Did the plane crash because of human error? This. A mechanical problem? An external obstacle?

Could they have stopped this from happening by sharing information? This. By each using their own skills? Yope. Did they need three bodies physically present to perform some task? Yes.
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Posted on Monday, April 05, 2010 - 2:32 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the task require the tree to combine their

Strength?
Skills?
Weight?
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Posted on Monday, April 05, 2010 - 4:40 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Strength?
Skills? This.
Weight?
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Posted on Thursday, April 08, 2010 - 2:28 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the error due to a navagational failure?
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Posted on Thursday, April 08, 2010 - 8:40 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

If they had been sitting together, had: the error not been made in the first place? Or would it have happened, but with each other's help they would've been able to correct it? Is the third person an engineer? Are they making a test flight? Routine flight? Other?
Did the human error cause: loss of engine power? Problems with control surfaces? Problems with instruments? Landing gear? Other? Was the human error made by: the pilot? Copilot? Third passenger? Other person?
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Posted on Thursday, April 08, 2010 - 10:21 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is this based on real air accident? If so I can think of 2 incidents that might fit your puzzle statement but will hold off until you answer the outstanding questions.
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Posted on Thursday, April 08, 2010 - 9:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the error due to a navagational failure? Yes.

If they had been sitting together, had: the error not been made in the first place? Or would it have happened, but with each other's help they would've been able to correct it? This. Is the third person an engineer? No. Are they making a test flight? Routine flight? Other? Other.
Did the human error cause: loss of engine power? This, indirectly. Problems with control surfaces? Problems with instruments? Landing gear? Other? Was the human error made by: the pilot? Copilot? Third passenger? This. Other person?

Is this based on real air accident? Yes. If so I can think of 2 incidents that might fit your puzzle statement but will hold off until you answer the outstanding questions.
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Posted on Tuesday, April 13, 2010 - 8:28 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are they lost? Do they run out of fuel? Is the third passenger responsible for navigation? Was the error made: during the flight? Before? Was there something wrong with the plane before taking off? Did they miscalculate the fuel requirements?
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Posted on Tuesday, April 13, 2010 - 11:42 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the autopilot relevant?
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Posted on Tuesday, April 13, 2010 - 9:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are they lost? Yes. Do they run out of fuel? Yes. Is the third passenger responsible for navigation? Yes. Was the error made: during the flight? Yes. Before? A related error was made before the flight. Was there something wrong with the plane before taking off? Technically, no. Did they miscalculate the fuel requirements? No.

Is the autopilot relevant? No.
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Posted on Wednesday, April 14, 2010 - 8:18 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is this summary correct?
Three people set out on a flight: pilot, copilot and navigator. The navigator made a critical error, and the plane got lost, ran out of fuel and crashed into the sea. If he had been sitting together with the pilor and copilot, they would've noticed and corrected this error and finished the flight successfully.
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Posted on Wednesday, April 14, 2010 - 3:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is this summary correct?
Three people set out on a flight: pilot, copilot and navigator. The navigator made a critical error, and the plane got lost, ran out of fuel and crashed into the sea. If he had been sitting together with the pilor and copilot, they would've noticed and corrected this error and finished the flight successfully. Got it.

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C.P. Ulm was a pioneer Australian aviator. In 1934 he attempted to fly from California to Hawaii. He had a plane specially modified for the attempt, with large fuel tanks in the passenger compartment -- but decided not to have all three of the crew in the cockpit, because they would get in each other's way. Instead, the navigator was placed on the other side of the tank, near the tail, and communicated with the cockpit via voice tube.

The navigator probably failed to account for a tailwind. Ulm was more experienced; if he had had access to the navigator's instruments he could have corrected the error. Instead, the plane disappeared into the Pacific, and was never seen again.
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Posted on Wednesday, April 14, 2010 - 3:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Great work! Now finish my other aviation-related puzzles - they're pining away....

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