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Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Posted on Wednesday, April 14, 2010 - 4:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"I surrender!"
"Surrender to the bush!"

The speakers are HAM.
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Posted on Wednesday, April 14, 2010 - 5:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are they two? More people relevant? Is the bush on fire? Is it a plant? Or "bush" as in wilderness? Are they military? Is the bush a camouflaged higher officer? Are they playing a game?
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Posted on Wednesday, April 14, 2010 - 10:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are both sentences said by the same person?
Is the second sentence elaborating on the first? (I surrender to the bush)
Is the bush human? animal? plant? tangible? abstract?
If it is two people conversing, is the second person commanding the first person?
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Posted on Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 1:51 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are they two? Yes. More people relevant? Yes. Is the bush on fire? No. Is it a plant? Yes. Or "bush" as in wilderness? No. Are they military? Yesish. Is the bush a camouflaged higher officer? No, but with an ish! Are they playing a game? No.

Are both sentences said by the same person? No.
Is the second sentence elaborating on the first? No. (I surrender to the bush)
Is the bush human? animal? plant? This. tangible? This. abstract?
If it is two people conversing, is the second person commanding the first person? Yes.
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Posted on Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 7:49 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the bush a camouflaged person? Or is a person hiding behind the bush? Or inside? Or does the bush represent a person? Are they at war? Is their nationality relevant? Relevant which century this happened? Decade? Country? Are they paramilitary? Guerilla? Criminals? Law enforcement? Are they training? Do they have guns? does he surrender in order not to get: hurt? Killed?
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Posted on Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 11:42 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the bush a camouflaged person? Or is a person hiding behind the bush? Or inside? Or does the bush represent a person? No to all. Are they at war? Yes. Is their nationality relevant? Yes. Relevant which century this happened? Yes. Decade? Yes. Country? Yes. Are they paramilitary? This is closest. Guerilla? No. Criminals? YMMV. Law enforcement? No. Are they training? No. Do they have guns? No. does he surrender in order not to get: hurt? Killed? Both.
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Posted on Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 3:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

When he surrenders to the bush, is he surrendering to a person at all? Or is he surrendering to an actual plant? Is the bush used as a weapon? Is it poisonous? Thorny? Otherwise dangerous? Is it used as camouflage? Is there something relevant: inside it? Behind it? Above it? Beneath it? Are they in the jungle? Is it a well known war? Is it still ongoing? Did it happen in [LTPF list of centuries]?
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Posted on Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 10:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

But I have dreamed a dreary dream
Beyond the Isle of Skye;
I saw a dead man win a fight,
And I think that man was I.


If this is relevant, I will retire and leave the field to others. If not, I have some questions.
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Posted on Friday, April 16, 2010 - 3:03 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

But I have dreamed a dreary dream
Beyond the Isle of Skye;
I saw a dead man win a fight,
And I think that man was I.

Very relevant!

When he surrenders to the bush, is he surrendering to a person at all? Yope. Or is he surrendering to an actual plant? No.

Is the bush used as a weapon? Is it poisonous? Thorny? Otherwise dangerous? Is it used as camouflage? No to all. Is there something relevant: inside it? This, also a BLOOPER earlier -- yesish to a person hiding inside. Behind it? Above it? Beneath it? Are they in the jungle? No. Is it a well known war? No. Is it still ongoing? No. Did it happen in [LTPF list of centuries]? 14th.
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Posted on Sunday, April 18, 2010 - 8:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does the term "bush" have the sexual connotation?
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Posted on Monday, April 19, 2010 - 2:03 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does the term "bush" have the sexual connotation? No.
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Posted on Monday, April 19, 2010 - 2:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is there a speaker inside? A radio of some sort? A walkie-talkie? Is the bush some kind of disguised surveillance equipment? Is the bush the one saying "I surrender"?
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Is there a speaker inside? A radio of some sort? A walkie-talkie? Is the bush some kind of disguised surveillance equipment? Is the bush the one saying "I surrender"? No to all; this is the 14th century, remember.
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Posted on Tuesday, April 20, 2010 - 7:17 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the bush mistaken for a person?
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Posted on Tuesday, April 20, 2010 - 9:44 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is there a dead person inside the bush? Is he surrendering to the dead person? Is he the one who killed the dead person?
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Posted on Tuesday, April 20, 2010 - 10:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is there a dead person inside the bush? Is he surrendering to the dead person? Is he the one who killed the dead person? Yes to all.
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Posted on Thursday, April 22, 2010 - 12:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the dead person a higher officer? Or royalty? A noble? Another person more appropriate to surrender to than the one speaking? Or is he made to surrender to the dead person simply because it was he who killed him?
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Posted on Thursday, April 22, 2010 - 1:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the dead person a higher officer? Or royalty? A noble? This. Another person more appropriate to surrender to than the one speaking? This. Or is he made to surrender to the dead person simply because it was he who killed him?

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SPOILER

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The Battle of Otterburn was fought on the Scottish border in 1388. Though the Scots led by Douglas beat the English led by Lord Percy, Douglas was killed in the battle. According to a well-known song about the battle:

0 bury me by the bracken bush,
Beneath the blooming brier;
Let never living mortal ken
That a kindly Scot lies here.

He lifted up that noble lord,
With the salt tear in his e'e;
He hid him in the bracken bush,
That his own men might not see.

Now yield, Percy! Montgom'ry cried,
Or else I'll lay thee low!
Whom shall I yield to, said Percy,
Since I see it must be so?

Then shalt not yield to lord nor loin,
Nor shalt thou yield to me;
But yield thee to the bracken bush
That grows on yonder lea!
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Posted on Thursday, April 22, 2010 - 6:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

That is the first time I've seen a poet do something as odd as write "eye" as "e'e" to make it rhyme with "see". Makes some of the weirder rhymes in rap sound quite normal.
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Posted on Friday, April 23, 2010 - 12:14 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

In the original I found, brier is spelt bre'er (to rhyme with "here,") and there are a number of other period spellings I changed for clarity. "E'e" is a common spelling/pronunciation of eye in period poetry -- it appears in Shakespeare, IIRC, and in several other folksongs I can think of.

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