| Author | Message | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5363 Registered: 8-2001 |
I used to have an ant-relevant scrund. Most people never had this scrund, but it's not surprising in someone from my background. What was it? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 458 Registered: 4-2010 |
Does it involve a specific type of ant? How much ants can carry? Anthills? Fire ants? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5366 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 458 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Monday, June 07, 2010 - 7:36 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Does it involve a specific type of ant? yesishHow much ants can carry? no Anthills? noFire ants? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 461 Registered: 4-2010 |
Location relevant? Is it carpenter ants? Leaf-cutting ants (though that's probably not their technical name)? Or is it worker ants and the like, rather than species of ant? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5367 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 461 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Monday, June 07, 2010 - 8:19 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Location relevant? yes Is it carpenter ants? no Leaf-cutting ants (though that's probably not their technical name)? no Or is it worker ants and the like, rather than species of ant? yes | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 467 Registered: 4-2010 |
"Your background" = where you grew up? What environment you grew up in? Does the scrund involve worker ants? Queen ants (I probably just made that one up)? Drone ants (That too, I think that's bees)? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5368 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 467 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Monday, June 07, 2010 - 8:42 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) "Your background" = where you grew up? no What environment you grew up in? yes Does the scrund involve worker ants? yes Queen ants (I probably just made that one up)? Drone ants (That too, I think that's bees)? I don';t know whether this distinction exists among ants, but if so, it would be worker | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 473 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did your environment have a ton of worker ants? And so you thought they were the most common type of ant? But they're not? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 1193 Registered: 10-2008 |
Does it have to do with the sex of worker ants? Their role in the colony? Their interactions with other colonies? Their physical appearance? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5369 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 473 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Monday, June 07, 2010 - 9:02 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Did your environment have a ton of worker ants? irrel And so you thought they were the most common type of ant? no But they're not? I have no idea!! Gourami (Gourami) Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 1193 Registered: 10-2008 Posted on Monday, June 07, 2010 - 9:07 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Does it have to do with the sex of worker ants? no Their role in the colony? no Their interactions with other colonies? noTheir physical appearance? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 492 Registered: 4-2010 |
Does it involve the type of work they do? Their mating habits? | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 1759 Registered: 7-2009 |
What environment you grew up in... Urban? Suburban? Rural? Relevant? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2723 Registered: 5-2003 |
Slave-taking ants relevant? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5370 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 492 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Monday, June 07, 2010 - 9:54 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Does it involve the type of work they do? yope or yesish Their mating habits? no Noel (Noel) New member Username: Noel Post Number: 1759 Registered: 7-2009 Posted on Tuesday, June 08, 2010 - 12:13 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) What environment you grew up in... Urban? Suburban? Rural? Relevant? Urban (Brooklyn, NY) but irrel Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo) New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2723 Registered: 5-2003 Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2010 - 4:26 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Slave-taking ants relevant?No. I didn't even know about them before reading your post. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2036 Registered: 9-2009 |
Ant navigation/path finding relevant? Ant communication? Ant strength? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5372 Registered: 8-2001 |
Galfisk (Galfisk) New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2036 Registered: 9-2009 Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2010 - 10:34 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Ant navigation/path finding relevant?no Ant communication?noAnt strength? no | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 1765 Registered: 7-2009 |
Are ant bites relevant? Ant stings? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5374 Registered: 8-2001 |
Noel (Noel) New member Username: Noel Post Number: 1765 Registered: 7-2009 Posted on Saturday, June 12, 2010 - 12:26 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Are ant bites relevant? noAnt stings? no | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2847 Registered: 5-2003 |
Are any lifeforms besides ants relevant to this scrund? Humans? Plants? Other insets? Other animals? Fungus-grower or leaf-cutter ants relevant? Is a particular species or type of ant relevant? Ants from a certain continent, country, or terrain type? Fiction or folklore about ants? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5376 Registered: 8-2001 |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo) New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2847 Registered: 5-2003 Posted on Monday, June 14, 2010 - 5:56 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Are any lifeforms besides ants relevant to this scrund? yesHumans? no Plants? yesOther insets? yes Other animals? noFungus-grower or leaf-cutter ants relevant? not particularly Is a particular species or type of ant relevant? no Ants from a certain continent, country, or terrain type? noFiction or folklore about ants? YES!!!! GOOOD QUESTION!!!!!!!!!! | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 974 Registered: 4-2010 |
Ant fiction...hmmm. Is a particular fairy tale relevant? Nursery rhyme? Book? Film? TV show? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5378 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 974 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Tuesday, June 15, 2010 - 6:11 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Ant fiction...hmmm. Is a particular fairy tale relevant? not quite a fairy tale, but you're ORT Nursery rhyme? dittoBook? the tale has been in booksFilm? and filmsTV show? and on TV | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 978 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is it an urban legend? Regular legend (like Paul Bunyan)? Old wives' tale? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5379 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 978 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Tuesday, June 15, 2010 - 9:52 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is it an urban legend? no Regular legend (like Paul Bunyan)? yope--you're ORT Old wives' tale? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 987 Registered: 4-2010 |
...Folk song? Other song? Computer/video game? Short story? Aesop's fable? Other fable? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5380 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 987 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Tuesday, June 15, 2010 - 10:58 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) ...Folk song? Other song? Computer/video game? Short story? Aesop's fable? Other fable? Aesop's fable | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5384 Registered: 8-2001 |
HINT: Now it should be easy. I can think of only one fable that involves an ant & another insect. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1107 Registered: 4-2010 |
Ant & grasshopper? (Can't think of what the scrund would be though...) | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5385 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1107 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Friday, June 18, 2010 - 7:22 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Ant & grasshopper? Yes (Can't think of what the scrund would be though...) I said that the environment I grew up in is relevant. Find out what aspect is relevant. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1111 Registered: 4-2010 |
Hmmm... Were there lots of grasshoppers where you grew up? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5386 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1111 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Friday, June 18, 2010 - 7:35 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Hmmm... Were there lots of grasshoppers where you grew up? In Brooklyn? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1177 Registered: 4-2010 |
Are any of the following aspects of the environment relevant: -Level of education? -Proportion of liberals/conservatives? -Poverty level? -Housing? -Religious population? -Family life? -Life expectancy? -Other kids? -Leisure activity? -Dialect? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1178 Registered: 4-2010 |
Aack, wasn't done. -Climate? -Electricity? -Clean water? -Food? -Size of buildings? -Method of transportation? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5388 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1177 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Tuesday, June 22, 2010 - 1:33 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Are any of the following aspects of the environment relevant: -Level of education? -Proportion of liberals/conservatives? -Poverty level? -Housing? -Religious population? -Family life? -Life expectancy? -Other kids? -Leisure activity? -Dialect? Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1178 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Tuesday, June 22, 2010 - 1:34 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Aack, wasn't done. -Climate? -Electricity? -Clean water? -Food? -Size of buildings? -Method of transportation? The only thing relevant is proportion of liberals/conservatives. They were virtually all liberal & took liberalism for granted. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1246 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is any particular part of the fable relevant? The moral? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5389 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1246 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Tuesday, June 22, 2010 - 10:29 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is any particular part of the fable relevant? yes The moral? yes | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 769 Registered: 5-2009 |
Is the idea of ants being hard-working relevant? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5390 Registered: 8-2001 |
Markobr (Markobr) New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 769 Registered: 5-2009 Posted on Tuesday, June 22, 2010 - 10:42 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is the idea of ants being hard-working relevant? yes, but it's not the only factor | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1262 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the season relevant? Winter? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5392 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1262 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Wednesday, June 23, 2010 - 1:50 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is the season relevant? YesWinter? Yes, but that's not the only relevant season. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1278 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the idea of preparing for winter in spring/summer/fall relevant? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5394 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1278 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Wednesday, June 23, 2010 - 5:09 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is the idea of preparing for winter in spring/summer/fall relevant? yes | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1280 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did you think that ants prepared for winter in the early seasons? That this was a smart thing? A bad thing? Did you think that grasshoppers did not make these preparations? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5397 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1280 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Wednesday, June 23, 2010 - 5:28 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Did you think that ants prepared for winter in the early seasons?Well, I thought the ant in the fable did. I had no beliefs about whether real ants did. That this was a smart thing? yesA bad thing? no Did you think that grasshoppers did not make these preparations? Well, I thought that the grasshopper in the fable did not. I had no beliefs about whether real grasshoppers did. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1286 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did you assume that ants were smarter than grasshoppers? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5400 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1286 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Wednesday, June 23, 2010 - 6:36 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Did you assume that ants were smarter than grasshoppers? No. Keep in mind that the relevant aspect of my background was that virtually everyone took liberalism for granted. | ||
| Ohlala8 (Ohlala8)
New member Username: Ohlala8 Post Number: 592 Registered: 6-2009 |
Did you assume that part of the moral was that the ant should help the grasshopper in his time of need? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5404 Registered: 8-2001 |
Ohlala8 (Ohlala8) New member Username: Ohlala8 Post Number: 592 Registered: 6-2009 Posted on Wednesday, June 23, 2010 - 7:42 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Did you assume that part of the moral was that the ant should help the grasshopper in his time of need?I didn't assume it; I was taught that this was the moral!! ***SPOILER *********** In case anyone doesn't know the fable of the ant & the grasshopper, it's about how the grasshopper had fun all summer, while the ant worked & stored up food for winter. Then when winter came & the grasshopper asked the ant for help, the ant told the grasshopper he should have prepared for winter, too. Coming from an almost exclusively liberal background, I was taught that the moral of the fable was that you shouldn't be like the ant. I still think that's a better moral, but of course it wasn't Aesop's original moral, which was that you shouldn't be like the grasshopper. Thanks for sticking with it, everyone, & for solving it, Ohlala8, & please check out my new puzzle you know where. | ||
| Ohlala8 (Ohlala8)
New member Username: Ohlala8 Post Number: 596 Registered: 6-2009 |
I always felt that way about the little red hen, too. Sure, she gets to be all smug and say "Hey, I did all the work, I get all the bread," but she could also admit that sometimes it's nice to share with people even when they don't necessarily deserve it. But I have a very politically conservative friend who uses that story to demonstrate why government bailouts are bad. | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2157 Registered: 6-2006 |
I tend to think maybe the ant should tell the grasshopper, ok, i'll help you this time but next time you need to prepare. and then next time, when the grasshopper doesnt prepare, then he can tell him tough luck buddy. | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5417 Registered: 8-2001 |
If I were poor, I sure wouldn't want charity dispensed according to whether I "deserved" it! So I think charity (& welfare) should be based on need, not "desert." | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 838 Registered: 6-2008 |
I had a video when I was really little, of stories by this guy named Leo Leoni, and one of them was similar, but with squirrels collecting nuts and seeds for the winter. One of them just lounged around all day. When the others asked him what he was doing, he said he was collecting sunshine, so that the others could be warm during the winter. So the people you were growing up with would have liked that variation, I'm sure. | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 839 Registered: 6-2008 |
Correction: I just looked it up, and the guy's last name is spelled Leoni, and the story is about mice, not squirrels. You can find a maze game about it on this page: http://www.randomhouse.com/kids/lionni/activities.php Well, my memory was reasonably good considering it's been about 20 years... | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 840 Registered: 6-2008 |
Wow, but really cannot type! | ||
| Ohlala8 (Ohlala8)
New member Username: Ohlala8 Post Number: 771 Registered: 6-2009 |
Maybe it’s one too many moral philosophy classes talking, but I can’t get this out of my head. Nimue, I agree with you to a point – for the most part, people aren’t qualified to judge who’s deserving. There are no objective standards. So as a general principle, it’s best to assume that everyone is deserving, and give accordingly. And if you have extra to spare, of course you should share regardless of desert. But sometimes desert has to at least be a factor. Imagine the ant and grasshopper scenario with two grasshoppers. One, like in the original, spends the summer messing around and just doesn’t gather any food. The other gathers food, but there’s a storm and his food stores are destroyed. The ant doesn’t have enough extra food for both. Who does he share with? The second grasshopper knows how to gather food for himself, and the next year he will probably not need charity again, provided he survives the winter. And giving the food to the more “deserving” grasshopper sends the message that hard work is valued and rewarded, which hopefully encourages the rest of the grasshopper community to follow his example. Certainly on an individual level, and maybe even for a government, there are always more people in need than there are resources, so you want to distribute your charity in a way that will do the most good and result in less need for charity in the future. So there’s my sermon for the week. | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5493 Registered: 8-2001 |
Here's my sermon: When it comes to distributing life-saving resources among the equally needy when there isn't enough for everyone, flip a coin. "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, and. . . ." | ||
| Ohlala8 (Ohlala8)
New member Username: Ohlala8 Post Number: 782 Registered: 6-2009 |
Sure, but just because all men are created equal doesn't mean that their actions have no consequences. | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5494 Registered: 8-2001 |
I'm perfectly happy to have hard workers earn more money (although I'm less enthusiastic about huge inheritances), but when it comes to the basics of life, such as food and shelter, you shouldn't have to "deserve" them. | ||
| Ohlala8 (Ohlala8)
New member Username: Ohlala8 Post Number: 791 Registered: 6-2009 |
And in a world where food and shelter simply exist, that's perfectly true. But we do have to work in order to gain food and shelter. We're past a society where everyone has to farm the land and build their own houses, but somewhere out there, people are still farming and building houses. The whole foundation of a community is that you can do whatever you're most skilled at, but you have to contribute something to the common good, and in exchange you benefit from everyone else's services, including the provision of food and shelter. Allowances are made for people who are unable to contribute, but only to a point. If someone simply chooses not to contribute to society, then they are choosing not to be a part of society, and thus have to be self-supporting. | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5497 Registered: 8-2001 |
Actually, lots of people thrive without working or contributing--because they come from rich families. As for non-contributing people who are not rich, I think that the richest country in the world should not let them starve. | ||
| Ohlala8 (Ohlala8)
New member Username: Ohlala8 Post Number: 794 Registered: 6-2009 |
Yes, people with large inheritances get by without contributing. Which I don't necessarily approve of, but I guess the general idea is that their parents/ancestors contributed several people's worth. I don't think that defeats my point. And as I already said, we certainly shouldn't let people starve whenever possible, but we can't help everyone. Which brings this back to the original point. Those who contribute should be a priority in the distribution of aid. | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5499 Registered: 8-2001 |
Many large fortunes come about through luck (such as striking oil on one's land) or worse, rather than through hard work. And a rich country like the USA probably can help almost everyone, at least to some degree, although some priorities have to be set. I think we'll just have to agree to disagree over whether these priorities should be set according to who "deserves" help. | ||
| Ohlala8 (Ohlala8)
New member Username: Ohlala8 Post Number: 797 Registered: 6-2009 |
Probably. Arguing like this doesn't tend to change anyone's mind. I just think it's a little simplistic to say that someone who is "down on their luck" should receive the same treatment as someone who has squandered every opportunity, based on the axiom that everyone is equal. | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5500 Registered: 8-2001 |
And I think it is more than a little simplistic to think anyone can decide who is hardworking enough to "deserve" basic necessities like food and shelter. I also think we're not getting anywhere with this debate, so I'm retiring from it. Liberals & libertarians shouldn't expect to convince one another; they start from different moral premises. | ||
| Ohlala8 (Ohlala8)
New member Username: Ohlala8 Post Number: 800 Registered: 6-2009 |
(fyi I do define myself as politically liberal. I believe in social justice, and I believe in welfare programs. I just also believe that individual responsibility should play a part. And it seems like you think that it shouldn't, where the basic necessities of life are concerned. Which is understandable, I guess, but like you say, if that's your starting assumption, it's hard to formulate any kind of counterargument.} | ||
| Ohlala8 (Ohlala8)
New member Username: Ohlala8 Post Number: 801 Registered: 6-2009 |
Also, sorry for beating this dead horse for so long. I'm a philosophy major - it's in my blood. | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5501 Registered: 8-2001 |
I'm a philosophy teacher; so imagine what my blood is like!! |
