| Author | Message | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2760 Registered: 5-2003 |
A biblical scholar once had a scrund about oil; Recently, I've been wondering if some American politicians have it too. What is it? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 702 Registered: 4-2010 |
BP oil spill relevant? Does the scrund involve the density of oil? The quantity? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2762 Registered: 5-2003 |
BP oil spill relevant? Yes. Does the scrund involve the density of oil? No. The quantity? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 708 Registered: 4-2010 |
Attempts to control oil spill relevant? Is the scrund about what will control it? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 709 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the scrund that fire will burn off oil on the surface of water, when it doesn't? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2765 Registered: 5-2003 |
Attempts to control oil spill relevant? Noish. Is the scrund about what will control it? No. Is the scrund that fire will burn off oil on the surface of water, when it doesn't? No. I think I had a scrund myself about that last one. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 711 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is any of the following relevant: -The cause of the oil spill? -The amount of oil flowing into the water? -How widespread the spill is? -How long the oil will (potentially) be in the water? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2771 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is any of the following relevant: -The cause of the oil spill? -The amount of oil flowing into the water? -How widespread the spill is? -How long the oil will (potentially) be in the water? No to all. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 713 Registered: 4-2010 |
Changing gears for a moment... Was the scholar's scrund related to his studies? Did he read something in the Bible that caused the scrund? That he misinterpreted? That he thought was wrong? Related to how long oil can burn? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 714 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he (the scholar) read something in another source that caused the scrund? That he misinterpreted? Thought was wrong? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2774 Registered: 5-2003 |
Changing gears for a moment... Good idea. Was the scholar's scrund related to his studies? Yes. Did he read something in the Bible that caused the scrund? A verse is relevant, but did not directly cause the scrund, though it led to it. That he misinterpreted? Yesish. That he thought was wrong? No. Related to how long oil can burn? No. Did he (the scholar) read something in another source that caused the scrund? Yes. That he misinterpreted? Yes. Thought was wrong? No. | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 726 Registered: 5-2009 |
Is the scrund about the effects of oil on the environment? About drilling for oil? Relevant that there are other kinds of oil than petroleum? Like plant oil? Fish oil? The other source: Religious writings? Philosophical? Maybe Aristotle? Scientific? Journalistic? An encyclopedia? Fiction? LTPF list of centuries for the time the scholar got his scrund? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2776 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is the scrund about the effects of oil on the environment? Not directly (or no, with an ish). About drilling for oil? No. Relevant that there are other kinds of oil than petroleum? No. Like plant oil? Fish oil? The other source: Religious writings? Philosophical? Maybe Aristotle? Scientific? This. Journalistic? Or, more likely, this. An encyclopedia? Fiction? LTPF list of centuries for the time the scholar got his scrund? 20th. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 729 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was the other source a magazine? Newspaper? Scholarly magazine? Book of some sort? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2779 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was the other source a magazine? Newspaper? Scholarly magazine? Book of some sort? Exactly where he got it is irrelevant. For purposes of the puzzle, assume the science pages of a newspaper or magazine. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 732 Registered: 4-2010 |
Chemical properties of oil relevant? Physical properties? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2783 Registered: 5-2003 |
Chemical properties of oil relevant? Yes. Physical properties? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 738 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the fact that oil burns relevant? That it's "scared" of detergent? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2785 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is the fact that oil burns relevant? That it's "scared" of detergent? Neither. | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2786 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is the fact that oil burns relevant? That it's "scared" of detergent? No to both. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 760 Registered: 4-2010 |
Hmmm... Is it oil's inability to wash off with just water? | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 735 Registered: 5-2009 |
Does the relevant bible verse contradict the scientific knowledge about oil? Is it a verse in the Old Testament? The New Testament? Is the meaning of the verse ambiguous? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2794 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is it oil's inability to wash off with just water? No. Does the relevant bible verse contradict the scientific knowledge about oil? No. Is it a verse in the Old Testament? This. The New Testament? Is the meaning of the verse ambiguous? Yope. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 776 Registered: 4-2010 |
Does the verse mention oil in passing? Is it about anointing oil? Does it focus on oil? Is the verse in [LTPF list of Old Testament books]? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2800 Registered: 5-2003 |
Does the verse mention oil in passing? No. Is it about anointing oil? No. Does it focus on oil? No. Is the verse in [LTPF list of Old Testament books]? Erm... (checks) It's not a single specific verse, actually. It is mentioned in Exodus and Numbers. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 780 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the scrund about where oil is located (on the globe)? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2804 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is the scrund about where oil is located (on the globe)? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 783 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the Biblical mention referring to the legal use of oil? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2807 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is the Biblical mention referring to the legal use of oil? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 785 Registered: 4-2010 |
OK, so we have the scholar, who got the scrund from his research...and some American politicians, who have the scrund from the BP oil spill. Is this right? Did the politicians get the scrund immediately after the spill? After it had been flowing for a while? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 786 Registered: 4-2010 |
Or did the politicians have the scrund before the spill? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2810 Registered: 5-2003 |
OK, so we have the scholar, who got the scrund from his research Not from his Biblical research, no ...and some American politicians, who have the scrund from the BP oil spill. Is this right? Did the politicians get the scrund immediately after the spill? After it had been flowing for a while? Or did the politicians have the scrund before the spill? I wouldn't be surprised. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 789 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he get the scrund from the science magazine? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2812 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did he get the scrund from the science magazine? Yes. | ||
| It_so_happened (It_so_happened)
New member Username: It_so_happened Post Number: 297 Registered: 5-2010 |
Does the verse mention oil at all? Or is it a reference to lamps (which used oil)? Some other reference where oil may be implied? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2857 Registered: 5-2003 |
Does the verse mention oil at all? No. Or is it a reference to lamps (which used oil)? no. Some other reference where oil may be implied? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 905 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did the science magazine mention the verse? Make a claim about it? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2864 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did the science magazine mention the verse? Make a claim about it? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 914 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the verse a legal one (part of the Law of Moses)? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2868 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is the verse a legal one (part of the Law of Moses)? No, I think that's Leviticus. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 920 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the verse spoken? By God? Moses? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2871 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is the verse spoken? By God? Moses? God and Moses both make relevant pronouncements. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 932 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the verse one of the Ten Commandments? Tabernacle relevant? Golden calf relevant? 40 years wandering in the wilderness relevant? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2881 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is the verse one of the Ten Commandments? No. Tabernacle relevant? No. Golden calf relevant? No. 40 years wandering in the wilderness relevant? Yes. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 938 Registered: 4-2010 |
Does the verse involve: -The original spy expedition into Canaan? -The fact that only 2 of the Israelites (Caleb and Joshua) survived the 40 years? -Manna? -Quail? -Any plague or rebellion? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2886 Registered: 5-2003 |
Does the verse involve: -The original spy expedition into Canaan? -The fact that only 2 of the Israelites (Caleb and Joshua) survived the 40 years? -Manna? This. -Quail? -Any plague or rebellion? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 948 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the verse about the physical description of manna? Manner of appearance/dissolution? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2892 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is the verse about the physical description of manna? Manner of appearance/dissolution? Not this, but it's relevant. There's no specific one, manna is mentioned numerous times. | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 1772 Registered: 7-2009 |
In the Bible, manna was thought to have been provided by God. Did the scholar think that oil was provided by God? Is it relevant that manna in the Bible occurred specifically when they were in the desert? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2902 Registered: 5-2003 |
In the Bible, manna was thought to have been provided by God. Did the scholar think that oil was provided by God? No. Is it relevant that manna in the Bible occurred specifically when they were in the desert? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1017 Registered: 4-2010 |
Does it involve that manna would only last for one day (excepting the day before the Sabbath, when it would last 2)? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2903 Registered: 5-2003 |
Does it involve that manna would only last for one day (excepting the day before the Sabbath, when it would last 2)? No. | ||
| It_so_happened (It_so_happened)
New member Username: It_so_happened Post Number: 317 Registered: 5-2010 |
I seem to remember Mannah being referred to in the Bible as containing oil. Is this relevant? Is his beliefs on the origins of the manna relevant (from the sky, etc.)? Does the scrund specifically involve the middle-east? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2912 Registered: 5-2003 |
I seem to remember Mannah being referred to in the Bible as containing oil. Is this relevant? No, though you're OTRT. Is his beliefs on the origins of the manna relevant (from the sky, etc.)? Very much so. Does the scrund specifically involve the middle-east? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1026 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the expression "like manna from heaven" relevant? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2914 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is the expression "like manna from heaven" relevant? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1027 Registered: 4-2010 |
Wild guess: Did the scholar believe that manna dissolved into oil? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2916 Registered: 5-2003 |
Wild guess: Did the scholar believe that manna dissolved into oil? No, but OTRT. | ||
| It_so_happened (It_so_happened)
New member Username: It_so_happened Post Number: 319 Registered: 5-2010 |
Did he believe mannah fell from the sky? Did he believe mannah contained oil? That mannah owed its origin from oil? That mannah and oil shared similar properties? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1029 Registered: 4-2010 |
Does the scrund involve the origins of oil? How to get at it? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2918 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did he believe mannah fell from the sky? Yes. Did he believe mannah contained oil? Yopish. That mannah owed its origin from oil? Yes. That mannah and oil shared similar properties? Yes! Does the scrund involve the origins of oil? How to get at it? No to both. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1030 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he believe that manna would work as an alternative fuel source? | ||
| It_so_happened (It_so_happened)
New member Username: It_so_happened Post Number: 320 Registered: 5-2010 |
Did he believe that oil can also fall from the sky? That it evaporates? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2920 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did he believe that manna would work as an alternative fuel source? No. Did he believe that oil can also fall from the sky? Yes, under certain circumstances. That it evaporates? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1046 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he believe that oil was a replenishing source? And there was an unlimited amount for usage? Ditto on the politicians? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2929 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did he believe that oil was a replenishing source? And there was an unlimited amount for usage? Ditto on the politicians? No to all. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1056 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he think that oil "dissolved" at the end of each day or something like that? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2931 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did he think that oil "dissolved" at the end of each day or something like that? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1058 Registered: 4-2010 |
Specific type of oil relevant? Crude oil? Olive oil? Other oil? Or is the scrund that all oils are basically the same? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2935 Registered: 5-2003 |
Specific type of oil relevant? Crude oil? Probably closest. Olive oil? Other oil? Or is the scrund that all oils are basically the same? No, but you're starting to nose vaguely in the general direction. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1063 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he think crude oil was edible? Was...trying to think of the best word...natural? Safe? Clean? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2940 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did he think crude oil was edible? Yesish. Was...trying to think of the best word...natural? Safe? Clean? All of these are possible. Oil IS natural, by the way. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1068 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he think that crude oil was safe to be touched/consumed by humans? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2945 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did he think that crude oil was safe to be touched/consumed by humans? Quite possibly. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1071 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he simply think that manna and crude oil were the same? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2946 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did he simply think that manna and crude oil were the same? Yes. Why? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1074 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the "why" related to the verse? The science magazine? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2947 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is the "why" related to the verse? The science magazine? This. | ||
| It_so_happened (It_so_happened)
New member Username: It_so_happened Post Number: 322 Registered: 5-2010 |
I think the Bible actually refers to "oil from above". Is that relevant? Did the scientific magazine somehow refer to oil as manna? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2952 Registered: 5-2003 |
I think the Bible actually refers to "oil from above". Is that relevant? No. Did the scientific magazine somehow refer to oil as manna? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1081 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did the science magazine do a study on manna? Or oil? And conclude they were the same? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2955 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did the science magazine do a study on manna? Or oil? And conclude they were the same? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1086 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did the magazine use the word "manna"? "Oil"? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2956 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did the magazine use the word "manna"? No. "Oil"? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1088 Registered: 4-2010 |
Related to that manna would appear on the ground? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2959 Registered: 5-2003 |
Related to that manna would appear on the ground? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1100 Registered: 4-2010 |
Related to the sudden, daily appearance of manna? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2964 Registered: 5-2003 |
Related to the sudden, daily appearance of manna? No. | ||
| It_so_happened (It_so_happened)
New member Username: It_so_happened Post Number: 323 Registered: 5-2010 |
Ok, to recap what I understand of what's been discovered... The scholar has a scrund about oil that he sort of inferred from both passages on manna and a science article or journal? And his scrund is that he thinks manna and oil are the same thing? Is there more to his scrund other than how he got it? Did either source mention the scrund directly? Did the science magazine use a metaphor or other figure of speech that he took literally? Do you imagine that politicians could think that manna is oil? Because they treat oil like it was manna? | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 1783 Registered: 7-2009 |
Did he think people could eat oil? | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 811 Registered: 6-2008 |
Is the fact that there is a kind of oil called "sweet crude oil" relevant? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2969 Registered: 5-2003 |
Ok, to recap what I understand of what's been discovered... The scholar has a scrund about oil that he sort of inferred from both passages on manna and a science article or journal? Correct (though primarily the science article). And his scrund is that he thinks manna and oil are the same thing? Yes. Is there more to his scrund other than how he got it? A lot, but let's burn that bridge when we get to it. Did either source mention the scrund directly? No. Did the science magazine use a metaphor or other figure of speech that he took literally? No. Do you imagine that politicians could think that manna is oil? No. Because they treat oil like it was manna? No. Did he think people could eat oil? Yes. With an ish. Is the fact that there is a kind of oil called "sweet crude oil" relevant? Not a bad idea, but no. | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2970 Registered: 5-2003 |
Blooper: It's not perfectly true, but for the purposes of the puzzle it'll work. Assume the following: Did he think people could eat oil? Yes. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1144 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did the scholar take the passages from the article out of context? | ||
| Tomsab (Tomsab)
New member Username: Tomsab Post Number: 25 Registered: 6-2010 |
Does it have do do with different age groups reporting different tastes for manna with the elderly believing it tasted like oil | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2986 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did the scholar take the passages from the article out of context? Yes. Does it have do do with different age groups reporting different tastes for manna with the elderly believing it tasted like oil? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1147 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did the science article mention the Bible? Was the Bible (or a particular passage) the subject of the study? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2988 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did the science article mention the Bible? Was the Bible (or a particular passage) the subject of the study? No to both. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1156 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did the scholar believe that oil could change into manna and vice versa? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2993 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did the scholar believe that oil could change into manna and vice versa? Yope; you're on the right track. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1161 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the scholar alive today? Are animals relevant? Birds? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2996 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is the scholar alive today? No. Are animals relevant? No. Birds? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1166 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was the scholar alive in [LTPF list of centuries]? Do others today have this scrund (other than the politicians)? Relevant how everyone involved got the scrund? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2998 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was the scholar alive in [LTPF list of centuries]? 20th. Do others today have this scrund (other than the politicians)? Doubtful. Relevant how everyone involved got the scrund? Just the scholar. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1184 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the fact that the oil spill is on water relevant? And that manna would form on the ground? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3003 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is the fact that the oil spill is on water relevant? No. And that manna would form on the ground? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1189 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was the magazine study about another specific item? A liquid? Solid? Gas? Element? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3012 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was the magazine study about another specific item? Yes, but it mentioned oil. A liquid? Solid? Gas? Element? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1198 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did the magazine only mention oil in passing? Was the study about an item that contained oil? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3015 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did the magazine only mention oil in passing? Yes. Was the study about an item that contained oil? Yes. (It didn't contain oil, but it was thought to at the time. That it did not actually contain oil is irrelevant.) | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1201 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is it about an ancient item? Like the Baghdad battery? Or was it the Ark of the Covenant? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3018 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is it about an ancient item? Like the Baghdad battery? Or was it the Ark of the Covenant? No to all. | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3019 Registered: 5-2003 |
Well, actually, the item is extremely ancient, but it is not a product of ancient civilization. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1204 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is this item around today? Is writing involved? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3022 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is this item around today? Yep. Is writing involved? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1207 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the item a container? Does it contain a form of fuel? Is the item made of: -Wood? -Metal? -Plastic? -Plaster? -Clay? -Paper? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3025 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is the item a container? No. Does it contain a form of fuel? Not so far as is known. Is the item made of: -Wood? -Metal? -Plastic? -Plaster? -Clay? -Paper? None of these. You may have an FA. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1210 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the item larger than a toaster? Book? Mouse? Has the item been around since ancient times? Is the item flammable? Explosive? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3028 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is the item larger than a toaster? Book? Mouse? Much larger than any of these. Has the item been around since ancient times? Oh, yes. Is the item flammable? In a sense. Explosive? I doubt it. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1211 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the item a building? A vehicle? An aqueduct? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3029 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is the item a building? A vehicle? An aqueduct? Larger than those. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1214 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is it a city? Country? Continent? The Earth? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3034 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is it a city? Country? Continent? The Earth? About this size. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1219 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is it another planet? If so, [LTPF list of planets, including Pluto]? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1220 Registered: 4-2010 |
...Or another celestial body? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3037 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is it another planet? If so, [LTPF list of planets, including Pluto]? Venus. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1223 Registered: 4-2010 |
Atmosphere of Venus relevant? Temperature? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3039 Registered: 5-2003 |
Atmosphere of Venus relevant? Yesish. Temperature? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1227 Registered: 4-2010 |
Thickness of Venus' atmosphere relevant? Air content by proportion? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3041 Registered: 5-2003 |
Thickness of Venus' atmosphere relevant? Air content by proportion? No to both. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1239 Registered: 4-2010 |
Mythology relevant? The planet's core? Surface? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3045 Registered: 5-2003 |
Mythology relevant? This. The planet's core? Surface? Probably this. | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3046 Registered: 5-2003 |
BLOOPERS! Mythology relevant? No. The planet's core? Surface? Maybe. But not as relevant as something else. | ||
| Ohlala8 (Ohlala8)
New member Username: Ohlala8 Post Number: 576 Registered: 6-2009 |
Venus's moons? atmosphere? geography? climate? Was the article reporting something that was found on Venus with a probe? Suspected to be there through observation? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3048 Registered: 5-2003 |
Venus's moons? There aren't any. atmosphere? Possibly. geography? climate? Was the article reporting something that was found on Venus with a probe? Suspected to be there through observation? This. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1247 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was there believed to be life on Venus? Or is it surface features? (Volcanoes, canals, lakes, etc.) | ||
| Ohlala8 (Ohlala8)
New member Username: Ohlala8 Post Number: 579 Registered: 6-2009 |
This might be the only puzzle ever that links manna, oil and Venus. I'm just saying. Did they think there might be water vapor on Venus? The same way everyone was all excited about ice on Mars? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3052 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was there believed to be life on Venus? Irrelevant, although it'd be indicated by what else they believed was there. Or is it surface features? (Volcanoes, canals, lakes, etc.) Surface features are irrelevant. Did they think there might be water vapor on Venus? Not this. The same way everyone was all excited about ice on Mars? Something like that, yes. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1253 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did they think there was liquid water on Venus? Liquid oil? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3054 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did they think there was liquid water on Venus? Liquid oil? This, though I dunno if they thought it was liquid (at that temperature it'd probably be vapor). | ||
| Ohlala8 (Ohlala8)
New member Username: Ohlala8 Post Number: 581 Registered: 6-2009 |
So did the scholar think that there was some sort of Venutian being that ate the oil? Or that God had provided us with a new fuel source, much like He gave the Hebrews manna when they needed it? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3055 Registered: 5-2003 |
So did the scholar think that there was some sort of Venutian being that ate the oil? Or that God had provided us with a new fuel source, much like He gave the Hebrews manna when they needed it? No to both. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1257 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he think that the oil explained the high temperature of Venus? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3056 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did he think that the oil explained the high temperature of Venus? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1260 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he think oil was manna in its solid state? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3060 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did he think oil was manna in its solid state? Something like that. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1268 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he think manna could also be found on Venus? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3063 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did he think manna could also be found on Venus? Yes. | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 831 Registered: 6-2008 |
Was the connection to manna that something in the article was described as having similar properties as manna is said to have had in the Bible? because a word was used in the article that resembled "manna" in spelling? because of a connection to another article that resembled manna? As an aside, there is a sugar found on the surface of cells called mannose, and a related compound called mannitol is used in some medical products, and for people with diabetes. I wonder if some people think that blood sugar is manna because of that. | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3094 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was the connection to manna that something in the article was described as having similar properties as manna is said to have had in the Bible? because a word was used in the article that resembled "manna" in spelling? because of a connection to another article that resembled manna? None of these, though the first question is loosely related to the scrund. | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3105 Registered: 5-2003 |
Hint: The actual scrund itself is scientific in nature -- actual scientists will almost certainly not have it. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1461 Registered: 4-2010 |
Can oil enter a solid state? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3133 Registered: 5-2003 |
Can oil enter a solid state? Irr. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1484 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the scrund about oil in a specific state? Solid? Liquid? Gas? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3134 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is the scrund about oil in a specific state? Solid? Liquid? Gas? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1517 Registered: 4-2010 |
OK, let me try a recap... -His scrund was that manna and oil were the same. -He got the scrund from an article in a science journal, which mentioned neither manna nor oil. -The article was about Venus, and they believed there was oil on Venus. -Statements from the article were taken out of context in order for the scholar to have this scrund. This good so far? Did the scientists believe there was oil in Venus' core? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3140 Registered: 5-2003 |
OK, let me try a recap... -His scrund was that manna and oil were the same. -He got the scrund from an article in a science journal, which mentioned neither manna nor oil. -The article was about Venus, and they believed there was oil on Venus. -Statements from the article were taken out of context in order for the scholar to have this scrund. This good so far? Excellent recap. Did the scientists believe there was oil in Venus' core? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1536 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did the scholar assume the scientists' claim that there was oil on Venus was fact? Did he part-to-whole and assume all planets had oil? Are any other planets (other than Earth), including Pluto, relevant? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3146 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did the scholar assume the scientists' claim that there was oil on Venus was fact? Yes. Did he part-to-whole and assume all planets had oil? No. Are any other planets (other than Earth), including Pluto, relevant? Yes. I should warn you that this scrund is part of a much larger, even more ridiculous idea he had, and he made a bestselling book out of it. His basic idea would make a puzzle in itself, and might as well. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1548 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he believe that all planets had oil on them? Had manna on them? Did he believe that God was an alien of some sort? (And why am I not surprised that he got a book out of this.) | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3151 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did he believe that all planets had oil on them? Irr. Had manna on them? Irr. Did he believe that God was an alien of some sort? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1557 Registered: 4-2010 |
So the scientists claimed that there was oil on Venus, then the scholar took that directly as a fact, right? Were there other statements taken out of context as well? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3152 Registered: 5-2003 |
So the scientists claimed that there was oil on Venus, Yes. then the scholar took that directly as a fact, right? Yes. Were there other statements taken out of context as well? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1578 Registered: 4-2010 |
Are the other planets relevant Mercury? Earth? Mars? Jupiter? Saturn? Uranus? Neptune? I know it's not a planet anymore, but Pluto? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3171 Registered: 5-2003 |
Are the other planets relevant Mercury? Earth? Mars? Jupiter? This. Saturn? Uranus? Neptune? I know it's not a planet anymore, but Pluto? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1628 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the fact that Jupiter is the largest planet relevant? The Great Red Spot? Its atmosphere? Temperature? Distance from the sun? Distance from Earth? Distance from Venus? Moons? Mythology? Did the scholar think there was oil on Jupiter as well? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3185 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is the fact that Jupiter is the largest planet relevant? The Great Red Spot? Its atmosphere? Temperature? Distance from the sun? Distance from Earth? Distance from Venus? Ish. Moons? Mythology? Did the scholar think there was oil on Jupiter as well? None of the others. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1636 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did the scholar think that there was manna on Jupiter? That it originated on Jupiter, but was transported to Venus/Earth? Is astrology relevant? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3189 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did the scholar think that there was manna on Jupiter? That it originated on Jupiter, but was transported to Venus/Earth? Is astrology relevant? None of these. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1642 Registered: 4-2010 |
Are the orbits of any of these planets relevant? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3193 Registered: 5-2003 |
Are the orbits of any of these planets relevant? Yes, but look out for FAs. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1692 Registered: 4-2010 |
Orbit of Venus? Earth? Jupiter? Am I just making this more and more complicated? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3196 Registered: 5-2003 |
Orbit of Venus? This. Earth? Jupiter? Am I just making this more and more complicated? Maybe. I'd concentrate for now on why he thought manna and oil were the same thing; after that, if you like, you can try to figure out what this all has to do with Venus (which is indeed wacky). | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1703 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he think the two were the same because of something mentioned in the Bible? Another statement from the article? Another source? | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 853 Registered: 6-2008 |
So the scientists claimed in the article that there was oil on Venus, but did not use the word "oil"? or the scientists' belief that oil was on Venus was not in the article, but he just happened to link the belief with the article in a scrundy way, because it also mentioned Venus? If the former (i.e., the claim/belief was mentioned in the article), is it relevant what exact word or phrase they used in place of "oil" (e.g. petroleum, hydrocarbons, fossil fuels, etc.)? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3199 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did he think the two were the same because of something mentioned in the Bible? Another statement from the article? Another source? None of these. So the scientists claimed in the article that there was oil on Venus, but did not use the word "oil"? Yes. or the scientists' belief that oil was on Venus was not in the article, but he just happened to link the belief with the article in a scrundy way, because it also mentioned Venus? No. If the former (i.e., the claim/belief was mentioned in the article), is it relevant what exact word or phrase they used in place of "oil" (e.g. petroleum, hydrocarbons, fossil fuels, etc.)? Yes. And "hydrocarbon" is the term that was used. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1723 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the "hydro-" part of "hydrocarbon" relevant? "-carbon"? Yeah, I'm just guessing now. | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3204 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is the "hydro-" part of "hydrocarbon" relevant? "-carbon"? Both. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1740 Registered: 4-2010 |
Abundance of hydrogen and carbon relevant? Fact that carbon is organic relevant? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3219 Registered: 5-2003 |
Abundance of hydrogen and carbon relevant? No. Fact that carbon is organic relevant? Yes. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1751 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he assume that anything organic was automatically good for you? Safe to eat? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3228 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did he assume that anything organic was automatically good for you? Safe to eat? No to both. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1757 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he assume that manna was organic? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3232 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did he assume that manna was organic? b{Yes.} | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1763 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he assume that the two were the same because they were both organic? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3236 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did he assume that the two were the same because they were both organic? No. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2410 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did he mix up "hydrocarbon" and "carbohydrate"? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3240 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did he mix up "hydrocarbon" and "carbohydrate"? Yes, he did. Excellent work. The rest of the puzzle is so far from reality that I doubt you'll guess it, so... **************************** Whacko Spoiler **************************** Immanuel Velikovsky was a crackpot who tried to reconcile science and the Bible, particularly the miracle accounts of Exodus and Numbers. He did this by theorizing that Venus was originally a comet that was spat out of Jupiter. This comet wandered around the Solar System, making numerous bypasses of Earth and causing what looked like miracles on each pass. For example: - It caused the rain of "blood" and the three days of darkness of the Ten Plagues, - It caused the Earth to stop spinning at coincidentally the exact time that Joshua made the sun stand in the sky, - It parted the Red Sea with tidal forces, conveniently for the Jews and inconveniently for the Egyptians, - It was the "pillar of fire by night" during the forty years in the desert, - And it rained down hydrocarbons (which Velikovsky conveniently relabeled "carbohydrates") on the Sinai, which the Israelites called manna. Velikovsky's book detailing these theories, Worlds In Collision, reached the best-seller lists in 1950, despite the fact that real scientists tore his theory to small pieces within minutes of opening the book. And yes, he and a lot of people who bought his book really did believe this. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1785 Registered: 4-2010 |
Wow, great puzzle! Can't wait for your next one. Although I am curious how the politicians could have this scrund.... As a Christian, I can utterly agree that that guy's a crackpot. | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3242 Registered: 5-2003 |
The reason is that I've seen a few stories about pols who think the spill isn't dangerous to humans at all. | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 857 Registered: 6-2008 |
That's a good one. The confusion of the two words is understandable, but to make a whole theory out of it without bothering to fact-check is not! |
