| Author | Message | ||
| Emma_nilsson (Emma_nilsson)
New member Username: Emma_nilsson Post Number: 139 Registered: 5-2010 |
His life was saved by the rain. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 603 Registered: 4-2010 |
His = HAM? Was it a light rain? Heavy rain? Hurricane? Are other people involved? If so, 1? 2? 5? 10? 20? More? Are they HAM? | ||
| Emma_nilsson (Emma_nilsson)
New member Username: Emma_nilsson Post Number: 140 Registered: 5-2010 |
His = HAM? yes Was it a light rain? Heavy rain? could be either, but probably on the heavy side Hurricane? no Are other people involved? no If so, 1? 2? 5? 10? 20? More? Are they HAM? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 605 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was he outside? Inside? Because of the rain, did he do something which, had he not done, he would have been killed? (i.e. He was watching TV, rain started, he goes to take the clothes off the line, and a tree falls right where he was sitting.) | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 691 Registered: 5-2009 |
Did the rain directly avert some kind of danger to him? Did it prevent him from doing something dangerous? From going somewhere where he would be in danger? Prevent someone else from doing something which would have been dangerous for him? Was there any chance for him to survive without the rain? | ||
| Emma_nilsson (Emma_nilsson)
New member Username: Emma_nilsson Post Number: 142 Registered: 5-2010 |
Was he outside? this Inside? Because of the rain, did he do something which, had he not done, he would have been killed? (i.e. He was watching TV, rain started, he goes to take the clothes off the line, and a tree falls right where he was sitting.) no, it's not really like this Did the rain directly avert some kind of danger to him? no, I would say indirectly Did it prevent him from doing something dangerous? no From going somewhere where he would be in danger? yesish Prevent someone else from doing something which would have been dangerous for him? no Was there any chance for him to survive without the rain? yes | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 696 Registered: 5-2009 |
So he was at another place than he would have been without the rain? And the place where he would have been would have been dangerous? Might he also have been saved by snow? Hail? A storm? | ||
| Emma_nilsson (Emma_nilsson)
New member Username: Emma_nilsson Post Number: 144 Registered: 5-2010 |
So he was at another place than he would have been without the rain? not at the moment that he was saved And the place where he would have been would have been dangerous? yesish Might he also have been saved by snow? yes Hail? rather unlikely, but not impossible, I guess A storm? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 624 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was he unable to do something because of the rain? Go somewhere? | ||
| Emma_nilsson (Emma_nilsson)
New member Username: Emma_nilsson Post Number: 146 Registered: 5-2010 |
Was he unable to do something because of the rain? Go somewhere? no to both | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 700 Registered: 5-2009 |
Did he intend to move from a place A to a place B? Did he in fact do so? Did the rain cause him to take another way from A to B than he originally intended? To move faster? Slower? Is A = B? | ||
| Emma_nilsson (Emma_nilsson)
New member Username: Emma_nilsson Post Number: 147 Registered: 5-2010 |
Did he intend to move from a place A to a place B? yes Did he in fact do so? no Did the rain cause him to take another way from A to B than he originally intended? no To move faster? Slower? neither Is A = B? no | ||
| It_so_happened (It_so_happened)
New member Username: It_so_happened Post Number: 261 Registered: 5-2010 |
So he never got to B? Did he set out for B, but go back to A? You said there was a "moment" at which he was saved? At this moment, was he at A? | ||
| Emma_nilsson (Emma_nilsson)
New member Username: Emma_nilsson Post Number: 150 Registered: 5-2010 |
So he never got to B? correct Did he set out for B, but go back to A? yes You said there was a "moment" at which he was saved? pretty much, yes At this moment, was he at A? no | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 714 Registered: 5-2009 |
Did he go back to A because it rained? What means of transport did he use to get from A to B? Walking? A bicycle? Car? Truck? Train? Bus? Other land vehicle? Swimming? Ship? Boat? Other water vehicle? Some kind of aircraft? When he was saved, he wasn't at A. Was he at B? At some place between A and B? Still going back to A? Or did he reach A and start moving again later? If so, did he intend to go to B? | ||
| Emma_nilsson (Emma_nilsson)
New member Username: Emma_nilsson Post Number: 151 Registered: 5-2010 |
Did he go back to A because it rained? for the sake of avoiding FA, let's say no What means of transport did he use to get from A to B? Walking? this A bicycle? Car? Truck? Train? Bus? Other land vehicle? Swimming? Ship? Boat? Other water vehicle? Some kind of aircraft? When he was saved, he wasn't at A. Was he at B? At some place between A and B? this Still going back to A? Or did he reach A and start moving again later? yes If so, did he intend to go to B? unlikely | ||
| It_so_happened (It_so_happened)
New member Username: It_so_happened Post Number: 263 Registered: 5-2010 |
ok, since I've become vaguely confused, let me try to recap the movement of this guy. Starts at A? Sets out for B? Goes back to A? Sets out again later for C? Is the location of A relevant? B? C? | ||
| Emma_nilsson (Emma_nilsson)
New member Username: Emma_nilsson Post Number: 152 Registered: 5-2010 |
Starts at A? Sets out for B? Goes back to A? Sets out again later for C? this is all correct Is the location of A relevant? B? C? yes to all | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 641 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is A his house? Is B? C? Are any other people relevant? | ||
| Emma_nilsson (Emma_nilsson)
New member Username: Emma_nilsson Post Number: 153 Registered: 5-2010 |
Is A his house? Is B? C? C is his house Are any other people relevant? no | ||
| It_so_happened (It_so_happened)
New member Username: It_so_happened Post Number: 264 Registered: 5-2010 |
Did the "moment of saving" occur between A and B? Or between A and C? If it was not raining, would he have died at A? at B? Between A and B? Between A and C? The next few questions are intended to be asked individually to A, B, and C: Are A, B, or C a house or other residence? A place of business? Indoors? Outdoors? | ||
| Emma_nilsson (Emma_nilsson)
New member Username: Emma_nilsson Post Number: 154 Registered: 5-2010 |
Did the "moment of saving" occur between A and B? this Or between A and C? If it was not raining, would he have died at A? at B? Between A and B? this-ish Between A and C? The next few questions are intended to be asked individually to A, B, and C: Are A, B, or C a house or other residence? they are all buildings, but only C is a residence (his home) A place of business? noish to A and B, no to C Indoors? yes, but a slight 'but' to A and B Outdoors? | ||
| It_so_happened (It_so_happened)
New member Username: It_so_happened Post Number: 266 Registered: 5-2010 |
Did he perceive the danger that would have killed him? Which caused him to turn back? Is an umbrella relevant? | ||
| Emma_nilsson (Emma_nilsson)
New member Username: Emma_nilsson Post Number: 155 Registered: 5-2010 |
Did he perceive the danger that would have killed him? yes Which caused him to turn back? yope Is an umbrella relevant? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 645 Registered: 4-2010 |
Would the man have died while walking to B? From B? Did he deliberately avoid the danger? Is lightning relevant? | ||
| It_so_happened (It_so_happened)
New member Username: It_so_happened Post Number: 268 Registered: 5-2010 |
Would he have perceived the danger if it had not been raining? | ||
| Emma_nilsson (Emma_nilsson)
New member Username: Emma_nilsson Post Number: 157 Registered: 5-2010 |
Would the man have died while walking to B? From B? can't answer Did he deliberately avoid the danger? rephrase, please Is lightning relevant? no Would he have perceived the danger if it had not been raining? yes | ||
| It_so_happened (It_so_happened)
New member Username: It_so_happened Post Number: 270 Registered: 5-2010 |
Would he have... died from an animal or insect? been murdered? been poisoned? fallen? gotten struck by an object? gotten sick? electrocuted? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 647 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he see the danger? Or a different form of perception? Just before it happened? Did he go a different way to avoid it? Or dodge it (like dodgeball, only deadly)? | ||
| Emma_nilsson (Emma_nilsson)
New member Username: Emma_nilsson Post Number: 158 Registered: 5-2010 |
Would he have... died from an animal or insect? it's possible been murdered? been poisoned? fallen? rather unlikely gotten struck by an object? gotten sick? not impossible electrocuted? but you haven't yet mentioned the most likely cause of death, or at least, the one I had in mind | ||
| Emma_nilsson (Emma_nilsson)
New member Username: Emma_nilsson Post Number: 159 Registered: 5-2010 |
Did he see the danger? Or a different form of perception? this Just before it happened? no Did he go a different way to avoid it? still difficult to answer, but I'll say yes-ish Or dodge it (like dodgeball, only deadly)? no. =) | ||
| It_so_happened (It_so_happened)
New member Username: It_so_happened Post Number: 274 Registered: 5-2010 |
er...heart attack? exposure? would he have gotten trapped? or otherwise been unable to move? Are all of these buildings normal buildings with floors, walls, and a roof? Does he own any of these buildings (other than the house?) Is he at work? | ||
| Emma_nilsson (Emma_nilsson)
New member Username: Emma_nilsson Post Number: 161 Registered: 5-2010 |
er...heart attack? exposure? yes, but I'm not sure of all the things this concept would cover would he have gotten trapped? or otherwise been unable to move? Are all of these buildings normal buildings with floors, walls, and a roof? yes Does he own any of these buildings (other than the house?) no Is he at work? no | ||
| It_so_happened (It_so_happened)
New member Username: It_so_happened Post Number: 275 Registered: 5-2010 |
So would he have gotten lost? Is he in the city? Would he have gotten hot? Cold? Other form of perception: hear? feel? smell? taste? | ||
| Emma_nilsson (Emma_nilsson)
New member Username: Emma_nilsson Post Number: 165 Registered: 5-2010 |
So would he have gotten lost? FA Is he in the city? no Would he have gotten hot? no Cold? maybe Other form of perception: hear? feel? smell? taste? Are those the only kinds? If so, I misunderstood the meaning of perception. The danger wasn't really something he could percieve with his senses, but he was aware of it. | ||
| It_so_happened (It_so_happened)
New member Username: It_so_happened Post Number: 280 Registered: 5-2010 |
So he just knew about it? Geographical location relevant? Is he walking throughout his ABAC route? Does he stop anywhere in this route (other than at A, and later at C)? | ||
| Emma_nilsson (Emma_nilsson)
New member Username: Emma_nilsson Post Number: 170 Registered: 5-2010 |
So he just knew about it? yes Geographical location relevant? yes Is he walking throughout his ABAC route? yes (though he never got to B) Does he stop anywhere in this route (other than at A, and later at C)? probably not, or irr | ||
| It_so_happened (It_so_happened)
New member Username: It_so_happened Post Number: 285 Registered: 5-2010 |
(Insert LTPF list of continents)? Is he on a mountain? | ||
| Emma_nilsson (Emma_nilsson)
New member Username: Emma_nilsson Post Number: 175 Registered: 5-2010 |
(Insert LTPF list of continents)? Continent does not matter, let's say Europe. I thought you meant what kind of surroundings he's in. Sorry. Is he on a mountain? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 652 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the man in the woods? In the country? Desert? Swamp? Tundra? Ocean? Is building B itself the danger? | ||
| It_so_happened (It_so_happened)
New member Username: It_so_happened Post Number: 288 Registered: 5-2010 |
I sort of did, but I figured it also might be very specific. Is it a forest? Is he near water? Is there snow around? Is he on a path? A road? Is he a hunter? | ||
| Emma_nilsson (Emma_nilsson)
New member Username: Emma_nilsson Post Number: 180 Registered: 5-2010 |
Is the man in the woods? this In the country? Desert? Swamp? Tundra? Ocean? Is building B itself the danger? no Is it a forest? yes Is he near water? no Is there snow around? no Is he on a path? specify A road? no Is he a hunter? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 655 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is he on a dirt path? Going through the woods? Is building A in the woods? B? C? Is he travelling through the woods when going from A to B? A to C? | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 717 Registered: 5-2009 |
Does he, after originally starting from A, but before going back to A, learn something new about the danger he is in? If so, about the degree of the danger? Its nature? A chance to mitigate the danger? Does he think he will probably die - when originally starting from A? - when turning round to go back? - when returning to A? - when starting again from A? - when arriving at C? Is he already saved - when originally starting from A? - when turning round to go back? - when returning to A? - when starting again from A? - when arriving at C? Are other persons relevant? If so: 1? 2? 3? 4? 5-10? 11-25? 26-100? More than 100? | ||
| Emma_nilsson (Emma_nilsson)
New member Username: Emma_nilsson Post Number: 181 Registered: 5-2010 |
Is he on a dirt path? yes Going through the woods? yes Is building A in the woods? yes B? yes C? no Is he travelling through the woods when going from A to B? yes A to C? partly | ||
| Emma_nilsson (Emma_nilsson)
New member Username: Emma_nilsson Post Number: 182 Registered: 5-2010 |
Does he, after originally starting from A, but before going back to A, learn something new about the danger he is in? yes and no If so, about the degree of the danger? yes and no Its nature? not really A chance to mitigate the danger? not really Does he think he will probably die - when originally starting from A? no - when turning round to go back? yesish, but FA - when returning to A? no - when starting again from A? no - when arriving at C? no Is he already saved - when originally starting from A? no - when turning round to go back? no, same FA - when returning to A? yes - when starting again from A? yes - when arriving at C? yes Are other persons relevant? no If so: 1? 2? 3? 4? 5-10? 11-25? 26-100? More than 100? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2056 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is it relevant how far the buildings are from each other? Are any of the buildings visible from any of the others? Would he have died in (or near) B? Did he return to A using a different route than he used to get partway to B? Is the danger from: drowning? Fire? Cold? Getting stuck? Or injured? Or trapped? And therefore not being able to return or get help? | ||
| Emma_nilsson (Emma_nilsson)
New member Username: Emma_nilsson Post Number: 185 Registered: 5-2010 |
Is it relevant how far the buildings are from each other? a bit Are any of the buildings visible from any of the others? no Would he have died in no (or near) B? probably not Did he return to A using a different route than he used to get partway to B? yes, partly Is the danger from: drowning? Fire? Cold? could be this Getting stuck? Or injured? Or trapped? no to the rest And therefore not being able to return or get help? this is a yes, though | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2058 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is the danger: natural? Manmade? Is there a landslide? Other relevant change to the landscape? Is something relevant damaged? | ||
| Emma_nilsson (Emma_nilsson)
New member Username: Emma_nilsson Post Number: 186 Registered: 5-2010 |
Is the danger: natural? this Manmade? Is there a landslide? no Other relevant change to the landscape? no Is something relevant damaged? no | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 720 Registered: 5-2009 |
Does he know the area he is walking in well? Does he know the distance from A to B? Know about the existence (or non-existence) of paths? Other attributes of the terrain relevant for walking there? Is the danger related to not being able to reach a certain point before being exhausted? Before nightfall? Before some other event? He is not at work. Is he simply a hiker? Pursuing some other leisure activity? Is my FA from above that he is turning round? While in fact he takes another way back? Does he intend to go to B when originally starting at A? And does he intend to go there using a certain route? Does he give up his original plan before he returns to A? If so, does he give up the idea of going to B? Or just the plan to use a certain route there? Is the moment he gives up his original plan the moment he is saved? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 694 Registered: 4-2010 |
Does he take a different route from A to B than from B to A? | ||
| Emma_nilsson (Emma_nilsson)
New member Username: Emma_nilsson Post Number: 188 Registered: 5-2010 |
Does he know the area he is walking in well? no Does he know the distance from A to B? yes Know about the existence (or non-existence) of paths? yes-ish Other attributes of the terrain relevant for walking there? yes and no Is the danger related to not being able to reach a certain point before being exhausted? yes Before nightfall? not really Before some other event? no, being exhausted is a good enough answer He is not at work. Is he simply a hiker? he is Pursuing some other leisure activity? Is my FA from above that he is turning round? yes While in fact he takes another way back? this is also a FA, but strictly speaking true Does he intend to go to B when originally starting at A? yes And does he intend to go there using a certain route? yes Does he give up his original plan before he returns to A? not exactly, but getting close If so, does he give up the idea of going to B? kind of Or just the plan to use a certain route there? I find this difficult to answer Is the moment he gives up his original plan the moment he is saved? not really, but you might be on the right track if you rephrase Pew! Hard questions! You're in the same FA that I was when solving this puzzle and it was driving me mad! My 9 year old students never had this FA and solved it faster than I did. -_- | ||
| Emma_nilsson (Emma_nilsson)
New member Username: Emma_nilsson Post Number: 189 Registered: 5-2010 |
Does he take a different route from A to B than from B to A? yes, partly, but do keep in mind that he never reached point B | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 722 Registered: 5-2009 |
Did he leave his original route by mistake? Because weather conditions forced him to do so? Because something else forced him? Or did he follow the route he originally wanted to go all the time, only that it didn't lead to B? Is there a special reason why getting exhausted before arriving at B could be fatal? Or is it only about the general fact that such a situation in the wilderness is quite dangerous? | ||
| Emma_nilsson (Emma_nilsson)
New member Username: Emma_nilsson Post Number: 190 Registered: 5-2010 |
Did he leave his original route by mistake? yes! Because weather conditions forced him to do so? no Because something else forced him? no Or did he follow the route he originally wanted to go all the time, only that it didn't lead to B? you could say this is true, up to a certain point Is there a special reason why getting exhausted before arriving at B could be fatal? Or is it only about the general fact that such a situation in the wilderness is quite dangerous? this, but there is slightly more to it, possible FA | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 698 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he try to go from A to B, accidentally left his route, and wound up going in a circle (back to A)? Then he went home? Because of frustration? Because of the danger? Is A his car (or other means of transportation)? Is B his intended destination? A lake? | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 724 Registered: 5-2009 |
Did he make the mistake because it rained? Did the route he took by mistake lead back to A? Did he notice his mistake quite a while before arriving at A? Is building A a mountain shelter or similar infrastructure for hikers? Building B? Relevant what it exactly is? The terrain is woodland. I think we can assume that it is quite remote with few people there? Does the "Yes and No" to my question about his knowledge of the terrain attributes mean that he knew about some but not about other relevant ones? | ||
| Emma_nilsson (Emma_nilsson)
New member Username: Emma_nilsson Post Number: 191 Registered: 5-2010 |
Did he try to go from A to B yes, accidentally left his route yes, and wound up going in a circlemore or less (back to A)no? Then he went home? yes Because of frustration? no Because of the danger? yesish Is A his car (or other means of transportation)? probably Is B his intended destination? yes A lake? no or irr | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 719 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is B a cabin in the woods? Would he have died had he made it to B? Did a tree fall on B? Because of a lightning strike? Was B otherwise destroyed during the storm? By flood? | ||
| Emma_nilsson (Emma_nilsson)
New member Username: Emma_nilsson Post Number: 198 Registered: 5-2010 |
Is B a cabin in the woods? yes Would he have died had he made it to B? no Did a tree fall on B? Because of a lightning strike? Was B otherwise destroyed during the storm? By flood? no to all | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 725 Registered: 4-2010 |
Would the danger have killed him while walking to B, had he stayed on the path? Did he realize he'd left the route? Then went back to his car (A)? Out of frustration? Because of the danger? Because he knew he wouldn't be able to get to B? | ||
| Emma_nilsson (Emma_nilsson)
New member Username: Emma_nilsson Post Number: 200 Registered: 5-2010 |
Would the danger have killed him while walking to B, had he stayed on the path? no Did he realize he'd left the route? yes Then went back to his car (A)? yope, FA Out of frustration? no Because of the danger? yes Because he knew he wouldn't be able to get to B? yes | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 742 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he drive there, but walk home? Did the danger affect his car? Destroy it? | ||
| Emma_nilsson (Emma_nilsson)
New member Username: Emma_nilsson Post Number: 201 Registered: 5-2010 |
Did he drive there, but walk home? Did the danger affect his car? Destroy it? No to all, it's another FA | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 744 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is a car involved at all? Did the danger destroy something? | ||
| Emma_nilsson (Emma_nilsson)
New member Username: Emma_nilsson Post Number: 203 Registered: 5-2010 |
Is a car involved at all? it's irr Did the danger destroy something? no Getting off track here... want a push in the right direction? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 747 Registered: 4-2010 |
Hmmm...I am confusing myself, aren't I? Could you please supply a recap? | ||
| Emma_nilsson (Emma_nilsson)
New member Username: Emma_nilsson Post Number: 205 Registered: 5-2010 |
Hmmm...I am confusing myself, aren't I? A bit, I think =) Could you please supply a recap? I think this might help: A hiker is planning to get from A to B. He accidentally leaves his intended route. He never arrives at B. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 749 Registered: 4-2010 |
Does he start at A, head for B, leave his route, and end up back at A? Does he realize he's left his route, and head back to A? | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 733 Registered: 5-2009 |
You missed my questions... | ||
| Emma_nilsson (Emma_nilsson)
New member Username: Emma_nilsson Post Number: 207 Registered: 5-2010 |
You missed my questions... I'm so sorry! Did he make the mistake because it rained? no Did the route he took by mistake lead back to A? noish Did he notice his mistake quite a while before arriving at A? yes Is building A a mountain shelter or similar infrastructure for hikers? yes Building B? yes Relevant what it exactly is? no The terrain is woodland. I think we can assume that it is quite remote with few people there? yes Does the "Yes and No" to my question about his knowledge of the terrain attributes mean that he knew about some but not about other relevant ones? you could say that | ||
| Emma_nilsson (Emma_nilsson)
New member Username: Emma_nilsson Post Number: 208 Registered: 5-2010 |
Does he start at A, head for B, leave his route, and end up back at A? yes Does he realize he's left his route, and head back to A? yes and no... | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 739 Registered: 5-2009 |
Did he notice his mistake because it rained? Maybe he stopped at a dry place (say, under a protruding rock) to wait for the rain to stop and used the time to carefully look at his map? Did he decide to return to A immediately after noticing his mistake? | ||
| Emma_nilsson (Emma_nilsson)
New member Username: Emma_nilsson Post Number: 209 Registered: 5-2010 |
Did he notice his mistake because it rained? no Maybe he stopped at a dry place (say, under a protruding rock) to wait for the rain to stop and used the time to carefully look at his map? no, but good thought Did he decide to return to A immediately after noticing his mistake? no, and that is relevant. Keep on that track! | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 740 Registered: 5-2009 |
When he noticed his mistake: Did he decide to return to his original route and then go to B? To go to B on a completely new route? To go to still another place (neither A nor B nor his house)? To just follow the path he is on and see where it leads him? Is walking along (part of) the route he follows after noticing his mistake especially tiresome because of the rain? Especially slow? Especially dangerous? Did he already fear for his life immediately before he noticed his mistake? Immediately after he noticed it? | ||
| Emma_nilsson (Emma_nilsson)
New member Username: Emma_nilsson Post Number: 210 Registered: 5-2010 |
When he noticed his mistake: Did he decide to return to his original route and then go to B? this To go to B on a completely new route? To go to still another place (neither A nor B nor his house)? To just follow the path he is on and see where it leads him? Is walking along (part of) the route he follows after noticing his mistake especially tiresome because of the rain? Especially slow? Especially dangerous? no to all, FA Did he already fear for his life immediately before he noticed his mistake? no Immediately after he noticed it? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 805 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was he close to B when he realized the danger? Could he see B? Did he even reach the original route after noticing his mistake? | ||
| Emma_nilsson (Emma_nilsson)
New member Username: Emma_nilsson Post Number: 211 Registered: 5-2010 |
Was he close to B when he realized the danger? no Could he see B? no Did he even reach the original route after noticing his mistake? he went back to A using, partly (which is extremely relevant), the same route he used when setting out from A the first time | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 807 Registered: 4-2010 |
So, he tries to go from A to B, leaves the path, realizes his mistake, and goes back to the path. Is this correct? Or is there a time between his realization and return to the path? Does he start for B when he reaches the path? Or immediately return to A? | ||
| Emma_nilsson (Emma_nilsson)
New member Username: Emma_nilsson Post Number: 212 Registered: 5-2010 |
So, he tries to go from A to B yes, leaves the path accidentaly, realizes his mistakeyes, and goes back to the pathyesish... but this is where the FA lies. Is this correct? Or is there a time between his realization and return to the path? yes indeed Does he start for B when he reaches the path? Or immediately return to A? this | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 741 Registered: 5-2009 |
When he realises his mistake, does he try to return to his original route by a route he didn't follow before? Does he want to return to the original route at a point which is closer to B than the point where he first left the route? If he uses a new route: Does he walk through pathless terrain? Does the relevant rain actually fall onto him? | ||
| Emma_nilsson (Emma_nilsson)
New member Username: Emma_nilsson Post Number: 213 Registered: 5-2010 |
When he realises his mistake, does he try to return to his original route by a route he didn't follow before? noish Does he want to return to the original route at a point which is closer to B than the point where he first left the route? maybe If he uses a new route: Does he walk through pathless terrain? yes Does the relevant rain actually fall onto him? Yes. There is more to be found out about the rain, though | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 742 Registered: 5-2009 |
Hmmm... Does he already walk through pathless terrain before he notices his mistake? Does he turn round at any point before arriving again at A? If so: Immediately after realising his mistake? Does he ever return to his original route (as planned, not necessarily used) before he decides to return to A? Before he arrives at A? Does it rain when he - originally starts from A? - by mistake leaves his route? - realises his mistake? - decides to return to his original route? - returns to his original route (if he does)? - decides to return to A? - returns to A? Does he, at any time before actually returning to A, choose another place than A or B as his destination? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 815 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is it regular rain? Acid rain? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2844 Registered: 5-2003 |
Could he have starved? Drowned? Simply got lost or somehow isolated in the woods and never seen again? How long was his journey – hours? Days? Weeks? Months? Years? Is time of day relevant? If so, day, night, evening, morning, afternoon? Level of light relevant? True story? Fiction? FYOI? Was he on the Appalachian Trail, or otherwise making a long journey (rather than a day hike)? | ||
| Emma_nilsson (Emma_nilsson)
New member Username: Emma_nilsson Post Number: 215 Registered: 5-2010 |
Hmmm... Does he already walk through pathless terrain before he notices his mistake? probably Does he turn round at any point before arriving again at A? yes If so: Immediately after realising his mistake? unclear, probably not Does he ever return to his original route (as planned, not necessarily used) before he decides to return to A? no Before he arrives at A? yes Does it rain when he - originally starts from A? yes - by mistake leaves his route? no - realises his mistake? no - decides to return to his original route? FA - returns to his original route (if he does)? no - decides to return to A? no - returns to A? no Does he, at any time before actually returning to A, choose another place than A or B as his destination? no | ||
| Emma_nilsson (Emma_nilsson)
New member Username: Emma_nilsson Post Number: 216 Registered: 5-2010 |
Is it regular rain? this Acid rain? Could he have starved? yes Drowned? no Simply got lost or somehow isolated in the woods and never seen again? yes, finally! =) How long was his journey – hours? this Days? Weeks? Months? Years? Is time of day relevant? If so, day, night, evening, morning, afternoon? Level of light relevant? not too relevant, but it couldn't have been pitch dark, probably afternoon True story? Fiction? FYOI? someone elses imagination Was he on the Appalachian Trail, or otherwise making a long journey (rather than a day hike)? might be | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 858 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did the rain guide him to his original route? Alert him to his mistake? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 859 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was his original route a beaten path? Marked in some way? | ||
| Emma_nilsson (Emma_nilsson)
New member Username: Emma_nilsson Post Number: 217 Registered: 5-2010 |
Did the rain guide him to his original route? yes, indirectly Alert him to his mistake? no | ||
| Emma_nilsson (Emma_nilsson)
New member Username: Emma_nilsson Post Number: 218 Registered: 5-2010 |
Was his original route a beaten path? I think so, unless I misunderstand you Marked in some way? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 861 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he take a wrong turn and follow a second beaten path, instead of the first correct one? | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 748 Registered: 5-2009 |
So he didn't know whether his original route would be a beaten path or not (because you say his original route probably was a beaten path but he probably walked through pathless terrain before he noticed his mistake)? If so: Is this lack of knowledge relevant? Should we find out more about it? | ||
| Emma_nilsson (Emma_nilsson)
New member Username: Emma_nilsson Post Number: 219 Registered: 5-2010 |
Did he take a wrong turn and follow a second beaten path, instead of the first correct one? Perhaps. At some point, he traveled through pathless terrain though | ||
| Emma_nilsson (Emma_nilsson)
New member Username: Emma_nilsson Post Number: 220 Registered: 5-2010 |
So he didn't know whether his original route would be a beaten path or not (because you say his original route probably was a beaten path but he probably walked through pathless terrain before he noticed his mistake)? this would be correct If so: Is this lack of knowledge relevant? yes Should we find out more about it? I really think you have found out enough, but noone has really worded the obvious yet... Do I need to spell it out for you? =) Once my 9-year-old students knew that a hiker was saved from starving to death in the woods because of the rain, they only needed two questions to solve the puzzle. Honestly. But, then again, they are the smartest kids in the world *proud teacher* | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 870 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he drink the rainwater? Thus preventing him from dying and allowing him to find his way back? | ||
| Emma_nilsson (Emma_nilsson)
New member Username: Emma_nilsson Post Number: 221 Registered: 5-2010 |
Did he drink the rainwater? Thus preventing him from dying and allowing him to find his way back? nope, way off =) | ||
| It_so_happened (It_so_happened)
New member Username: It_so_happened Post Number: 299 Registered: 5-2010 |
So he's lost, correct? Does he float down or follow a river created by the rain? | ||
| Emma_nilsson (Emma_nilsson)
New member Username: Emma_nilsson Post Number: 223 Registered: 5-2010 |
So he's lost, correct? Y E S (thanks for finally spelling it out! =^.^=) Does he float down or follow a river created by the rain? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 979 Registered: 4-2010 |
Does he have any navigational tools with him (map, compass)? Is this a dense forest? Heavy tree canopy? Man, I'm really shooting at flies now. Maybe I should go find a 9-year-old.... | ||
| Emma_nilsson (Emma_nilsson)
New member Username: Emma_nilsson Post Number: 224 Registered: 5-2010 |
Does he have any navigational tools with him (map, compass)? maybe, irr Is this a dense forest? irr Heavy tree canopy? not too heavy, and this is a bit relevant Man, I'm really shooting at flies now. Maybe I should go find a 9-year-old.... A man is lost in the woods. The rain saved him. (A reminder; it would have worked if it was snowing too). It's a SIMPLE answer, obvious enough for a second grader. =) | ||
| It_so_happened (It_so_happened)
New member Username: It_so_happened Post Number: 313 Registered: 5-2010 |
He found his trail of mud-prints and followed it back? | ||
| Emma_nilsson (Emma_nilsson)
New member Username: Emma_nilsson Post Number: 225 Registered: 5-2010 |
He found his trail of mud-prints and followed it back? Yes! Good thinking! | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1021 Registered: 4-2010 |
That everything? Or is there more we need to find out? | ||
| Emma_nilsson (Emma_nilsson)
New member Username: Emma_nilsson Post Number: 226 Registered: 5-2010 |
That everything? Or is there more we need to find out? That's all. I just didn't have enough time to write a spoiler earlier. * * * SPOILER * * * A hiker is lost in the woods. He walks in cirkles until he, by chance, stumbles upon his own footprints in the mud. He follows them back to the right trail and salvation. (Note that it rained when he set out on his journey, but then the rain stopped, preserving the footprints.) |
