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Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2010 - 3:14 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

His life was saved by the rain.
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His = HAM? Was it a light rain? Heavy rain? Hurricane?

Are other people involved? If so, 1? 2? 5? 10? 20? More? Are they HAM?
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His = HAM? yes Was it a light rain? Heavy rain? could be either, but probably on the heavy side Hurricane? no

Are other people involved? no If so, 1? 2? 5? 10? 20? More? Are they HAM?
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Was he outside? Inside?

Because of the rain, did he do something which, had he not done, he would have been killed? (i.e. He was watching TV, rain started, he goes to take the clothes off the line, and a tree falls right where he was sitting.)
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Did the rain directly avert some kind of danger to him? Did it prevent him from doing something dangerous? From going somewhere where he would be in danger? Prevent someone else from doing something which would have been dangerous for him?

Was there any chance for him to survive without the rain?
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Was he outside? this Inside?

Because of the rain, did he do something which, had he not done, he would have been killed? (i.e. He was watching TV, rain started, he goes to take the clothes off the line, and a tree falls right where he was sitting.) no, it's not really like this

Did the rain directly avert some kind of danger to him? no, I would say indirectly Did it prevent him from doing something dangerous? no From going somewhere where he would be in danger? yesish Prevent someone else from doing something which would have been dangerous for him? no

Was there any chance for him to survive without the rain? yes
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So he was at another place than he would have been without the rain? And the place where he would have been would have been dangerous?

Might he also have been saved by snow? Hail? A storm?
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So he was at another place than he would have been without the rain? not at the moment that he was saved And the place where he would have been would have been dangerous? yesish

Might he also have been saved by snow? yes Hail? rather unlikely, but not impossible, I guess A storm? no
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Was he unable to do something because of the rain? Go somewhere?
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Was he unable to do something because of the rain? Go somewhere? no to both
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Did he intend to move from a place A to a place B? Did he in fact do so? Did the rain cause him to take another way from A to B than he originally intended? To move faster? Slower? Is A = B?
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Did he intend to move from a place A to a place B? yes Did he in fact do so? no Did the rain cause him to take another way from A to B than he originally intended? no To move faster? Slower? neither Is A = B? no
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So he never got to B?
Did he set out for B, but go back to A?
You said there was a "moment" at which he was saved?
At this moment, was he at A?
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So he never got to B? correct
Did he set out for B, but go back to A? yes
You said there was a "moment" at which he was saved? pretty much, yes
At this moment, was he at A? no
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Did he go back to A because it rained?

What means of transport did he use to get from A to B? Walking? A bicycle? Car? Truck? Train? Bus? Other land vehicle? Swimming? Ship? Boat? Other water vehicle? Some kind of aircraft?

When he was saved, he wasn't at A. Was he at B? At some place between A and B? Still going back to A? Or did he reach A and start moving again later? If so, did he intend to go to B?
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Did he go back to A because it rained? for the sake of avoiding FA, let's say no

What means of transport did he use to get from A to B? Walking? this A bicycle? Car? Truck? Train? Bus? Other land vehicle? Swimming? Ship? Boat? Other water vehicle? Some kind of aircraft?

When he was saved, he wasn't at A. Was he at B? At some place between A and B? this Still going back to A? Or did he reach A and start moving again later? yes If so, did he intend to go to B? unlikely
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ok, since I've become vaguely confused, let me try to recap the movement of this guy.

Starts at A?
Sets out for B?
Goes back to A?
Sets out again later for C?

Is the location of A relevant? B? C?
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Starts at A?
Sets out for B?
Goes back to A?
Sets out again later for C? this is all correct

Is the location of A relevant? B? C? yes to all
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Is A his house? Is B? C?

Are any other people relevant?
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Is A his house? Is B? C? C is his house

Are any other people relevant? no
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Did the "moment of saving" occur between A and B?
Or between A and C?
If it was not raining, would he have died at A?
at B?
Between A and B?
Between A and C?

The next few questions are intended to be asked individually to A, B, and C:
Are A, B, or C a house or other residence?
A place of business?
Indoors?
Outdoors?
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Did the "moment of saving" occur between A and B? this
Or between A and C?
If it was not raining, would he have died at A?
at B?
Between A and B? this-ish
Between A and C?

The next few questions are intended to be asked individually to A, B, and C:
Are A, B, or C a house or other residence? they are all buildings, but only C is a residence (his home)
A place of business? noish to A and B, no to C
Indoors? yes, but a slight 'but' to A and B
Outdoors?
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Did he perceive the danger that would have killed him?
Which caused him to turn back?
Is an umbrella relevant?
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Did he perceive the danger that would have killed him? yes
Which caused him to turn back? yope
Is an umbrella relevant? no
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Would the man have died while walking to B? From B? Did he deliberately avoid the danger?

Is lightning relevant?
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Would he have perceived the danger if it had not been raining?
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Would the man have died while walking to B? From B? can't answer Did he deliberately avoid the danger? rephrase, please

Is lightning relevant? no

Would he have perceived the danger if it had not been raining? yes
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Would he have...
died from an animal or insect?
been murdered?
been poisoned?
fallen?
gotten struck by an object?
gotten sick?
electrocuted?
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Did he see the danger? Or a different form of perception? Just before it happened? Did he go a different way to avoid it? Or dodge it (like dodgeball, only deadly)?
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Would he have...
died from an animal or insect? it's possible
been murdered?
been poisoned?
fallen? rather unlikely
gotten struck by an object?
gotten sick? not impossible
electrocuted?

but you haven't yet mentioned the most likely cause of death, or at least, the one I had in mind
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Did he see the danger? Or a different form of perception? this Just before it happened? no Did he go a different way to avoid it? still difficult to answer, but I'll say yes-ish Or dodge it (like dodgeball, only deadly)? no. =)
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er...heart attack?
exposure?
would he have gotten trapped?
or otherwise been unable to move?

Are all of these buildings normal buildings with floors, walls, and a roof?
Does he own any of these buildings (other than the house?)
Is he at work?
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er...heart attack?
exposure? yes, but I'm not sure of all the things this concept would cover
would he have gotten trapped?
or otherwise been unable to move?

Are all of these buildings normal buildings with floors, walls, and a roof? yes
Does he own any of these buildings (other than the house?) no
Is he at work? no
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So would he have gotten lost?
Is he in the city?
Would he have gotten hot?
Cold?

Other form of perception:
hear?
feel?
smell?
taste?
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So would he have gotten lost? FA
Is he in the city? no
Would he have gotten hot? no
Cold? maybe

Other form of perception:
hear?
feel?
smell?
taste? Are those the only kinds? If so, I misunderstood the meaning of perception. The danger wasn't really something he could percieve with his senses, but he was aware of it.
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So he just knew about it?
Geographical location relevant?
Is he walking throughout his ABAC route?
Does he stop anywhere in this route (other than at A, and later at C)?
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So he just knew about it? yes
Geographical location relevant? yes
Is he walking throughout his ABAC route? yes (though he never got to B)
Does he stop anywhere in this route (other than at A, and later at C)? probably not, or irr
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(Insert LTPF list of continents)?
Is he on a mountain?
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(Insert LTPF list of continents)? Continent does not matter, let's say Europe. I thought you meant what kind of surroundings he's in. Sorry.
Is he on a mountain? no
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Is the man in the woods? In the country? Desert? Swamp? Tundra? Ocean?

Is building B itself the danger?
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I sort of did, but I figured it also might be very specific.
Is it a forest?
Is he near water?
Is there snow around?
Is he on a path?
A road?
Is he a hunter?
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Is the man in the woods? this In the country? Desert? Swamp? Tundra? Ocean?

Is building B itself the danger? no

Is it a forest? yes
Is he near water? no
Is there snow around? no
Is he on a path? specify
A road? no
Is he a hunter? no
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Is he on a dirt path? Going through the woods? Is building A in the woods? B? C?

Is he travelling through the woods when going from A to B? A to C?
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Does he, after originally starting from A, but before going back to A, learn something new about the danger he is in? If so, about the degree of the danger? Its nature? A chance to mitigate the danger?

Does he think he will probably die
- when originally starting from A?
- when turning round to go back?
- when returning to A?
- when starting again from A?
- when arriving at C?

Is he already saved
- when originally starting from A?
- when turning round to go back?
- when returning to A?
- when starting again from A?
- when arriving at C?

Are other persons relevant? If so: 1? 2? 3? 4? 5-10? 11-25? 26-100? More than 100?
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Is he on a dirt path? yes Going through the woods? yes Is building A in the woods? yes B? yes C? no

Is he travelling through the woods when going from A to B? yes A to C? partly
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Does he, after originally starting from A, but before going back to A, learn something new about the danger he is in? yes and no If so, about the degree of the danger? yes and no Its nature? not really A chance to mitigate the danger? not really

Does he think he will probably die
- when originally starting from A? no
- when turning round to go back? yesish, but FA
- when returning to A? no
- when starting again from A? no
- when arriving at C? no

Is he already saved
- when originally starting from A? no
- when turning round to go back? no, same FA
- when returning to A? yes
- when starting again from A? yes
- when arriving at C? yes

Are other persons relevant? no If so: 1? 2? 3? 4? 5-10? 11-25? 26-100? More than 100?
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Is it relevant how far the buildings are from each other? Are any of the buildings visible from any of the others? Would he have died in (or near) B? Did he return to A using a different route than he used to get partway to B? Is the danger from: drowning? Fire? Cold? Getting stuck? Or injured? Or trapped? And therefore not being able to return or get help?
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Is it relevant how far the buildings are from each other? a bit Are any of the buildings visible from any of the others? no Would he have died in no (or near) B? probably not Did he return to A using a different route than he used to get partway to B? yes, partly Is the danger from: drowning? Fire? Cold? could be this Getting stuck? Or injured? Or trapped? no to the rest And therefore not being able to return or get help? this is a yes, though
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Is the danger: natural? Manmade? Is there a landslide? Other relevant change to the landscape? Is something relevant damaged?
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Is the danger: natural? this Manmade? Is there a landslide? no Other relevant change to the landscape? no Is something relevant damaged? no
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Does he know the area he is walking in well? Does he know the distance from A to B? Know about the existence (or non-existence) of paths? Other attributes of the terrain relevant for walking there?

Is the danger related to not being able to reach a certain point before being exhausted? Before nightfall? Before some other event?

He is not at work. Is he simply a hiker? Pursuing some other leisure activity?

Is my FA from above that he is turning round? While in fact he takes another way back?

Does he intend to go to B when originally starting at A? And does he intend to go there using a certain route? Does he give up his original plan before he returns to A? If so, does he give up the idea of going to B? Or just the plan to use a certain route there? Is the moment he gives up his original plan the moment he is saved?
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Does he take a different route from A to B than from B to A?
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Does he know the area he is walking in well? no Does he know the distance from A to B? yes Know about the existence (or non-existence) of paths? yes-ish Other attributes of the terrain relevant for walking there? yes and no

Is the danger related to not being able to reach a certain point before being exhausted? yes Before nightfall? not really Before some other event? no, being exhausted is a good enough answer

He is not at work. Is he simply a hiker? he is Pursuing some other leisure activity?

Is my FA from above that he is turning round? yes While in fact he takes another way back? this is also a FA, but strictly speaking true

Does he intend to go to B when originally starting at A? yes And does he intend to go there using a certain route? yes Does he give up his original plan before he returns to A? not exactly, but getting close If so, does he give up the idea of going to B? kind of Or just the plan to use a certain route there? I find this difficult to answer Is the moment he gives up his original plan the moment he is saved? not really, but you might be on the right track if you rephrase


Pew! Hard questions! You're in the same FA that I was when solving this puzzle and it was driving me mad! My 9 year old students never had this FA and solved it faster than I did. -_-
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Does he take a different route from A to B than from B to A? yes, partly, but do keep in mind that he never reached point B
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Did he leave his original route by mistake? Because weather conditions forced him to do so? Because something else forced him? Or did he follow the route he originally wanted to go all the time, only that it didn't lead to B?

Is there a special reason why getting exhausted before arriving at B could be fatal? Or is it only about the general fact that such a situation in the wilderness is quite dangerous?
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Did he leave his original route by mistake? yes! Because weather conditions forced him to do so? no Because something else forced him? no Or did he follow the route he originally wanted to go all the time, only that it didn't lead to B? you could say this is true, up to a certain point

Is there a special reason why getting exhausted before arriving at B could be fatal? Or is it only about the general fact that such a situation in the wilderness is quite dangerous? this, but there is slightly more to it, possible FA
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Did he try to go from A to B, accidentally left his route, and wound up going in a circle (back to A)? Then he went home? Because of frustration? Because of the danger?

Is A his car (or other means of transportation)? Is B his intended destination? A lake?
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Did he make the mistake because it rained? Did the route he took by mistake lead back to A? Did he notice his mistake quite a while before arriving at A?

Is building A a mountain shelter or similar infrastructure for hikers? Building B? Relevant what it exactly is?

The terrain is woodland. I think we can assume that it is quite remote with few people there? Does the "Yes and No" to my question about his knowledge of the terrain attributes mean that he knew about some but not about other relevant ones?
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Did he try to go from A to B yes, accidentally left his route yes, and wound up going in a circlemore or less (back to A)no? Then he went home? yes Because of frustration? no Because of the danger? yesish

Is A his car (or other means of transportation)? probably Is B his intended destination? yes A lake? no or irr
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Is B a cabin in the woods? Would he have died had he made it to B? Did a tree fall on B? Because of a lightning strike? Was B otherwise destroyed during the storm? By flood?
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Is B a cabin in the woods? yes Would he have died had he made it to B? no Did a tree fall on B? Because of a lightning strike? Was B otherwise destroyed during the storm? By flood? no to all
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Would the danger have killed him while walking to B, had he stayed on the path?

Did he realize he'd left the route? Then went back to his car (A)? Out of frustration? Because of the danger? Because he knew he wouldn't be able to get to B?
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Would the danger have killed him while walking to B, had he stayed on the path? no

Did he realize he'd left the route? yes Then went back to his car (A)? yope, FA Out of frustration? no Because of the danger? yes Because he knew he wouldn't be able to get to B? yes
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Did he drive there, but walk home? Did the danger affect his car? Destroy it?
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Did he drive there, but walk home? Did the danger affect his car? Destroy it? No to all, it's another FA
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Is a car involved at all? Did the danger destroy something?
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Is a car involved at all? it's irr Did the danger destroy something? no

Getting off track here... want a push in the right direction?
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Hmmm...I am confusing myself, aren't I?

Could you please supply a recap?
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Hmmm...I am confusing myself, aren't I? A bit, I think =)

Could you please supply a recap? I think this might help: A hiker is planning to get from A to B. He accidentally leaves his intended route. He never arrives at B.
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Does he start at A, head for B, leave his route, and end up back at A? Does he realize he's left his route, and head back to A?
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You missed my questions...
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You missed my questions... I'm so sorry!

Did he make the mistake because it rained? no Did the route he took by mistake lead back to A? noish Did he notice his mistake quite a while before arriving at A? yes

Is building A a mountain shelter or similar infrastructure for hikers? yes Building B? yes Relevant what it exactly is? no

The terrain is woodland. I think we can assume that it is quite remote with few people there? yes Does the "Yes and No" to my question about his knowledge of the terrain attributes mean that he knew about some but not about other relevant ones? you could say that
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Does he start at A, head for B, leave his route, and end up back at A? yes Does he realize he's left his route, and head back to A? yes and no...
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Did he notice his mistake because it rained? Maybe he stopped at a dry place (say, under a protruding rock) to wait for the rain to stop and used the time to carefully look at his map?

Did he decide to return to A immediately after noticing his mistake?
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Did he notice his mistake because it rained? no Maybe he stopped at a dry place (say, under a protruding rock) to wait for the rain to stop and used the time to carefully look at his map? no, but good thought

Did he decide to return to A immediately after noticing his mistake? no, and that is relevant. Keep on that track!
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When he noticed his mistake: Did he decide to return to his original route and then go to B? To go to B on a completely new route? To go to still another place (neither A nor B nor his house)? To just follow the path he is on and see where it leads him? Is walking along (part of) the route he follows after noticing his mistake especially tiresome because of the rain? Especially slow? Especially dangerous?

Did he already fear for his life immediately before he noticed his mistake? Immediately after he noticed it?
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When he noticed his mistake: Did he decide to return to his original route and then go to B? this To go to B on a completely new route? To go to still another place (neither A nor B nor his house)? To just follow the path he is on and see where it leads him?

Is walking along (part of) the route he follows after noticing his mistake especially tiresome because of the rain? Especially slow? Especially dangerous? no to all, FA

Did he already fear for his life immediately before he noticed his mistake? no Immediately after he noticed it? no
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Was he close to B when he realized the danger? Could he see B?

Did he even reach the original route after noticing his mistake?
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Was he close to B when he realized the danger? no Could he see B? no

Did he even reach the original route after noticing his mistake? he went back to A using, partly (which is extremely relevant), the same route he used when setting out from A the first time
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So, he tries to go from A to B, leaves the path, realizes his mistake, and goes back to the path. Is this correct? Or is there a time between his realization and return to the path?

Does he start for B when he reaches the path? Or immediately return to A?
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So, he tries to go from A to B yes, leaves the path accidentaly, realizes his mistakeyes, and goes back to the pathyesish... but this is where the FA lies. Is this correct? Or is there a time between his realization and return to the path? yes indeed

Does he start for B when he reaches the path? Or immediately return to A? this
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When he realises his mistake, does he try to return to his original route by a route he didn't follow before? Does he want to return to the original route at a point which is closer to B than the point where he first left the route? If he uses a new route: Does he walk through pathless terrain?

Does the relevant rain actually fall onto him?
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When he realises his mistake, does he try to return to his original route by a route he didn't follow before? noish Does he want to return to the original route at a point which is closer to B than the point where he first left the route? maybe If he uses a new route: Does he walk through pathless terrain? yes

Does the relevant rain actually fall onto him? Yes. There is more to be found out about the rain, though
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Hmmm... Does he already walk through pathless terrain before he notices his mistake? Does he turn round at any point before arriving again at A? If so: Immediately after realising his mistake? Does he ever return to his original route (as planned, not necessarily used) before he decides to return to A? Before he arrives at A?

Does it rain when he
- originally starts from A?
- by mistake leaves his route?
- realises his mistake?
- decides to return to his original route?
- returns to his original route (if he does)?
- decides to return to A?
- returns to A?

Does he, at any time before actually returning to A, choose another place than A or B as his destination?
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Is it regular rain? Acid rain?
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Could he have starved? Drowned? Simply got lost or somehow isolated in the woods and never seen again?
How long was his journey hours? Days? Weeks? Months? Years?
Is time of day relevant? If so, day, night, evening, morning, afternoon? Level of light relevant?
True story? Fiction? FYOI?
Was he on the Appalachian Trail, or otherwise making a long journey (rather than a day hike)?
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Hmmm... Does he already walk through pathless terrain before he notices his mistake? probably Does he turn round at any point before arriving again at A? yes If so: Immediately after realising his mistake? unclear, probably not Does he ever return to his original route (as planned, not necessarily used) before he decides to return to A? no Before he arrives at A? yes

Does it rain when he
- originally starts from A? yes
- by mistake leaves his route? no
- realises his mistake? no
- decides to return to his original route? FA
- returns to his original route (if he does)? no
- decides to return to A? no
- returns to A? no

Does he, at any time before actually returning to A, choose another place than A or B as his destination? no
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Is it regular rain? this Acid rain?

Could he have starved? yes Drowned? no Simply got lost or somehow isolated in the woods and never seen again? yes, finally! =)
How long was his journey hours? this Days? Weeks? Months? Years?
Is time of day relevant? If so, day, night, evening, morning, afternoon? Level of light relevant? not too relevant, but it couldn't have been pitch dark, probably afternoon
True story? Fiction? FYOI? someone elses imagination
Was he on the Appalachian Trail, or otherwise making a long journey (rather than a day hike)? might be
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Did the rain guide him to his original route? Alert him to his mistake?
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Was his original route a beaten path? Marked in some way?
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Did the rain guide him to his original route? yes, indirectly Alert him to his mistake? no
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Was his original route a beaten path? I think so, unless I misunderstand you Marked in some way? no
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Did he take a wrong turn and follow a second beaten path, instead of the first correct one?
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So he didn't know whether his original route would be a beaten path or not (because you say his original route probably was a beaten path but he probably walked through pathless terrain before he noticed his mistake)? If so: Is this lack of knowledge relevant? Should we find out more about it?
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Did he take a wrong turn and follow a second beaten path, instead of the first correct one? Perhaps. At some point, he traveled through pathless terrain though
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So he didn't know whether his original route would be a beaten path or not (because you say his original route probably was a beaten path but he probably walked through pathless terrain before he noticed his mistake)? this would be correct If so: Is this lack of knowledge relevant? yes Should we find out more about it? I really think you have found out enough, but noone has really worded the obvious yet... Do I need to spell it out for you? =) Once my 9-year-old students knew that a hiker was saved from starving to death in the woods because of the rain, they only needed two questions to solve the puzzle. Honestly. But, then again, they are the smartest kids in the world *proud teacher*
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Did he drink the rainwater? Thus preventing him from dying and allowing him to find his way back?
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Did he drink the rainwater? Thus preventing him from dying and allowing him to find his way back? nope, way off =)
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So he's lost, correct?
Does he float down or follow a river created by the rain?
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So he's lost, correct? Y E S (thanks for finally spelling it out! =^.^=)
Does he float down or follow a river created by the rain? no
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Does he have any navigational tools with him (map, compass)? Is this a dense forest? Heavy tree canopy?

Man, I'm really shooting at flies now. Maybe I should go find a 9-year-old....
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Posted on Tuesday, June 15, 2010 - 10:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does he have any navigational tools with him (map, compass)? maybe, irr Is this a dense forest? irr Heavy tree canopy? not too heavy, and this is a bit relevant

Man, I'm really shooting at flies now. Maybe I should go find a 9-year-old.... A man is lost in the woods. The rain saved him. (A reminder; it would have worked if it was snowing too). It's a SIMPLE answer, obvious enough for a second grader. =)
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Posted on Tuesday, June 15, 2010 - 10:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

He found his trail of mud-prints and followed it back?
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Posted on Wednesday, June 16, 2010 - 2:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

He found his trail of mud-prints and followed it back? Yes! Good thinking!
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Posted on Wednesday, June 16, 2010 - 3:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

That everything? Or is there more we need to find out?
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Posted on Wednesday, June 16, 2010 - 6:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

That everything? Or is there more we need to find out? That's all. I just didn't have enough time to write a spoiler earlier.

* * * SPOILER * * *

A hiker is lost in the woods. He walks in cirkles until he, by chance, stumbles upon his own footprints in the mud. He follows them back to the right trail and salvation. (Note that it rained when he set out on his journey, but then the rain stopped, preserving the footprints.)

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