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Posted on Friday, June 25, 2010 - 12:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

He had been ill. Why did they change the title when they told his story?

Based on a puzzle in our new book Infuriating Lateral Thinking Puzzles - which is a mash-up of Intriguing LTPs and Perplexing LTPs. So if you already have both of those books do not buy it. Otherwise recommended as it is packed with great puzzles.

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Posted on Friday, June 25, 2010 - 12:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Title: title of his story? Or personal title? Was the story about when he was ill? Was he at risk of dying from his illness? Is he famous?
Or was hist story first told, then it came to light that he had been ill during the timeframe of the story, and because of this new information, the title was changed? Was he mentally ill? Physically ill? Some other definition of ill?
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Posted on Friday, June 25, 2010 - 1:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Galfosk,

Title: title of his story?
YES

Or personal title?
YES

Was the story about when he was ill?
YES

Was he at risk of dying from his illness?
YES

Is he famous?
YES

Or was his story first told, then it came to light that he had been ill during the timeframe of the story, and because of this new information, the title was changed?
NO

Was he mentally ill? Physically ill? Some other definition of ill?
YES, YES, NO

GOOD QUESTIONS
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Posted on Friday, June 25, 2010 - 2:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did they change his name? His title of nobility? Academic title? Title in sports? Other kind of title?

Did they change his title/name in the title of the story?

Did he die from his illness? Did he die before they told his story? Is he a fictional character? H? A? M?

"They": Authors? Journalists? Publishers? Film makers?
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Posted on Friday, June 25, 2010 - 2:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Markobr,

Did they change his name? His title of nobility?
YES

Academic title? Title in sports? Other kind of title?
NO

Did they change his title/name in the title of the story?
YES

Did he die from his illness?
YES

Did he die before they told his story?
NO

Is he a fictional character?
NO

H? A? M?
HUMAN, DEAD, MALE


"They": Authors? Journalists? Publishers? Film makers?
YES, NO, YES, YES
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Posted on Friday, June 25, 2010 - 3:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was he famous for committing a crime? Inventing something? Accomplishments in science? Math? The arts? Writing? Was he royalty? Related to someone famous? Just famous for being famous? LTPF list of centuries?
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Posted on Friday, June 25, 2010 - 3:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ohl,

Was he famous for committing a crime? Inventing something? Accomplishments in science? Math? The arts? Writing?
NO

Was he royalty?
YES

Related to someone famous? Just famous for being famous?
NOT RELEVANT

LTPF list of centuries?
18 AND 19TH CENTURIES
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Posted on Friday, June 25, 2010 - 3:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was he a king? A prince? Was his original title something like "King X the Y"? If so, did they change X? Y? both?
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Posted on Friday, June 25, 2010 - 6:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

OHL,

Was he a king? A prince?
YES, NO

Was his original title something like "King X the Y"?
YES

If so, did they change X? Y? both?
NO, YES, NO
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Posted on Friday, June 25, 2010 - 7:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

King George II, who had porphyria?

Was the "Y" a number (like the "II" in the above)? or a description ("the great", etc.)?
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Posted on Friday, June 25, 2010 - 7:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Biograd,

King George II, who had porphyria?
ALMOST

Was the "Y" a number (like the "II" in the above)? or a description ("the great", etc.)?
YES, NO
Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Friday, June 25, 2010 - 9:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was he a king of England? Spain? France? Some other European country?

Was he a King George?
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Posted on Saturday, June 26, 2010 - 8:05 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Balin,

Was he a king of England? Spain? France? Some other European country?
YES, NO

Was he a King George?
YES
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Posted on Saturday, June 26, 2010 - 4:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was he King George I? II? III? IV? V? VI?
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Posted on Saturday, June 26, 2010 - 11:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Balin,

King George III
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Posted on Sunday, June 27, 2010 - 3:21 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did King George III have porphyria? Some other similar disease?
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Balin,

Did King George III have porphyria? Some other similar disease?
YES, NO
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Posted on Sunday, June 27, 2010 - 2:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So they changed the III? Did they change it because they found he was ill? Because he had died? Because a new King George had taken the throne?
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Balin,

So they changed the III?
YES

Did they change it because they found he was ill? Because he had died? Because a new King George had taken the throne?
NO
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Posted on Sunday, June 27, 2010 - 8:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did they change it because they found out he wasn't really the third King George?
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Balin,

Did they change it because they found out he wasn't really the third King George?
NO
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Posted on Monday, June 28, 2010 - 10:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the III removed, so that he was called "King George" ? Or was the III replaced with a title like "the Z" ? Or another number?
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Posted on Tuesday, June 29, 2010 - 6:28 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Fermat,

Was the III removed, so that he was called "King George" ?
CORRECT

Or was the III replaced with a title like "the Z" ? Or another number?
NO
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Did they remove the III because it was superfluous at the time? Would everyone know which King George it was about anyway?
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Posted on Tuesday, June 29, 2010 - 9:12 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it relevant that III looks like "ill"?

(Like the old joke about a hospital radio request for someone who is a hundred and eleven.)
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Posted on Tuesday, June 29, 2010 - 10:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Galfisk and Woodworm,

Did they remove the III because it was superfluous at the time?
NO

Would everyone know which King George it was about anyway?
NO

Is it relevant that III looks like "ill"?
NO
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OOH, for once I actually know the answer without asking any questions! I won't give it away and ruin the fun though. To be sure:

They changed his name from "George III" to "King George," correct?
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Becc,

OOH, for once I actually know the answer without asking any questions! I won't give it away and ruin the fun though. To be sure:

They changed his name from "George III" to "King George," correct?
CORRECT
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Posted on Wednesday, June 30, 2010 - 7:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are we talking about 'The Madness of King George'?

Is it perhaps that an American audience might think that 'George III' referred in some way to their esteemed president? Perhaps, after George II, the very idea of a third Bush would have driven them to the brink?

Or perhaps 'George III' looks a bit like 'George W' (if you squint a bit)?
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Woodworm,

Are we talking about 'The Madness of King George'?
YES

Is it perhaps that an American audience might think that 'George III' referred in some way to their esteemed president? Perhaps, after George II, the very idea of a third Bush would have driven them to the brink?
NO

Or perhaps 'George III' looks a bit like 'George W' (if you squint a bit)?
NO
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Was it changed for all audiences? Or would Americans think that this George III was the same as the George III in the Revolutionary War? (Are they, in fact, the same George?)
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Balin,

Was it changed for all audiences?
NO

Or would Americans think that this George III was the same as the George III in the Revolutionary War?
YES BUT IRRELEVANT

Are they, in fact, the same George?
YES
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Posted on Thursday, July 01, 2010 - 9:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So it was changed for American audiences? Was it because of another person named George? Because of Americans' lack of knowledge about English kings?
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Balin,

So it was changed for American audiences?
CORRECT

Was it because of another person named George? Because of Americans' lack of knowledge about English kings?
NO
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Posted on Friday, July 02, 2010 - 11:15 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it because people would think it was a sequel?
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* * * SPOILER * * *

Woodworm - Is it because people would think it was a sequel?
YES

The film originally entitled the Madness of King George III was changed to the Madness of King George because it was feared that American audiences would not go to see it if they thought they had missed the preceding two movies in the set.

Based on a puzzle in

Infuriating Lateral Thinking Puzzles - which is highly recommended.

Paul Sloane
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Interesting. Are you going to be using this wording of the puzzle statement in the new edition, or keeping the wording you used in Perplexing LTPs?
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Posted on Saturday, July 10, 2010 - 8:02 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Actually, I believe that is an urban legend.
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Just bought Infuriating LTPs. Haven't gotten through a lot of them, but I'm really enjoying it!

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