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Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2010 - 11:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A man drives to work using the same route every day. However, on this particular day, he takes a route that is three miles longer. He has no extra stops, and his usual route is not blocked, so why does he do it?
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Is something wrong with his car? Maybe a broken turn signal (that would be a silly reason to go all that way, but this is the LTPF)?

Oh, and to avoid a possible FA, he IS driving the alternate route, not walking it (or biking, etc.), correct?
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Is something wrong with his car? Maybe a broken turn signal (that would be a silly reason to go all that way, but this is the LTPF)? I figured this would be rather quick. Yes, it's a broken turn signal, although that's not all there is to it.

Oh, and to avoid a possible FA, he IS driving the alternate route, not walking it (or biking, etc.), correct? correct
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Is only one turn signal broken? Both?

Assuming the first, does he take a route with only turns that have the working signal (i.e. left turn signal broken, he takes all right turns)?
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Is only one turn signal broken? Both? Only one, but irrelevant
Assuming the first, does he take a route with only turns that have the working signal (i.e. left turn signal broken, he takes all right turns)? no, there are right and left turns in his new route as well
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Did the old route have a turn, in the direction of the broken signal, where there is a lot of oncoming traffic? whereas on the new route, all such turns are at intersections with little traffic?

Or is it the use of a turn signal to indicate a lane change that's relevant?
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Did the old route have a turn, in the direction of the broken signal, where there is a lot of oncoming traffic? whereas on the new route, all such turns are at intersections with little traffic? no to both

Or is it the use of a turn signal to indicate a lane change that's relevant? yes
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Does the normal route use the highway? And the alternate route does not? So he doesn't have to change lanes at high speeds with a broken turn signal? Which would be dangerous?
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Does the normal route use the highway? yes
And the alternate route does not? no, alternate route still uses highway
So he doesn't have to change lanes at high speeds with a broken turn signal? he still has to Which would be dangerous? irrel, although this is certainly true
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Do both routes use the same part of the highway? If not, is it relevant where he comes on? and/or take off? the highway? If relevant, is it relevant for both the normal and the alternate routes?
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Do both routes use the same part of the highway? yope
If not, is it relevant where he comes on? no
and/or take off? yes
the highway?
If relevant, is it relevant for both the normal and the alternate routes? yes, it is relevant (to some degree) where he gets off for both routes, although "where" might be misleading
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Does he normally drive past a police station or police camera? One which would detect his faulty indicator?
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Does he normally drive past a police station or police camera? One which would detect his faulty indicator? no, but OTRT. And I think there is some FA present
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You said 'where' might be misleading. Would 'when' be a better word?
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You said 'where' might be misleading. Would 'when' be a better word? yes, that's a good deal better, I would say
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Does he spend longer? or shorter? time on the highway on the alternate route?
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Does he spend longer? yes or shorter? time on the highway on the alternate route?
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Is his usual exit, say, a left-hand exit? And he takes a right-hand one to be safer? Thus he is on the highway longer?
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Hmm, is the indicator broken all the time, or does work at certain intervals? So he had to stay on the road until it would work again?
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Is his usual exit, say, a left-hand exit? No
And he takes a right-hand one to be safer? Thus he is on the highway longer? No to these, although he is on the highway longer

Hmm, is the indicator broken all the time, or does work at certain intervals? It is broken all the time.
So he had to stay on the road until it would work again? So no.
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He is on the highway longer...does "longer" refer to distance? Time? Both?
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He is on the highway longer...does "longer" refer to distance? Time? Both? Yes, both.
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Was there any differences in the layout of the two exits? Would for instance the exit off the highway on the alternate route not require a change of lanes?

If the alternate exit had been earlier? or later? on the route, would he still have chosen the alternate route? If not, would he then stuck to the normal one? or chose a third option?
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Just to avoid an FA, does he take a different exit than normal? A different entrance ramp?
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Was there any differences in the layout of the two exits? no
Would for instance the exit off the highway on the alternate route not require a change of lanes? No, assume the exits were essentially identical.

If the alternate exit had been earlier? or later? on the route, would he still have chosen the alternate route? probably not for both cases
If not, would he then stuck to the normal one? no
or chose a third option? exactly

Just to avoid an FA, does he take a different exit than normal? yes
A different entrance ramp? no
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Is the turn at the end of the exit ramp relevant? Are any turns relevant? Or just lane changes?
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Does he take the alternate route to avoid something? A specific place? A specific person? Trouble with the law? Does he not want to fix the turn signal? Relevant how it became broken?
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Is the turn at the end of the exit ramp relevant? Are any turns relevant? Or just lane changes? yes, just lane changes

Does he take the alternate route to avoid something? yes A specific place? A specific person? yesish Trouble with the law? yes! Does he not want to fix the turn signal? Irrel, assume he just hasn't gotten around to it yet Relevant how it became broken? no
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Is he trying to avoid a ticket for the broken signal? For something else? Is he avoiding a police trap? A police station? Assuming there is a police trap, is it at the end of his normal exit? On his normal exit? On the highway itself?
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Is he trying to avoid a ticket for the broken signal? yes
For something else? no
Is he avoiding a police trap? no, not exactly, but OTRT
A police station? no
Assuming there is a police trap, is it at the end of his normal exit? On his normal exit? On the highway itself?
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Is he avoiding a traffic camera? Is the thing he's avoiding at the end of his normal exit? On his normal exit? On the highway itself?
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Is he avoiding a traffic camera? no
Is the thing he's avoiding at the end of his normal exit? no
On his normal exit? no
On the highway itself? yes
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Does he have to be in a certain lane in order to avoid this? Is the thing electronic? A person?
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This may have been covered and I missed it - is he travelling on a highway that is regularly patrolled by traffic police?
Is it necessary that he change lanes on his route, whether he takes the shorter or longer route? Can't he simply merge onto the highway and stay in the same lane until he exits?
Is he driving a car? motorcycle? bus? public transit vehicle?
Silly question - is he, himself, an officer of the law?
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Does he have to be in a certain lane in order to avoid this? no
Is the thing electronic? A person? this

This may have been covered and I missed it - is he travelling on a highway that is regularly patrolled by traffic police? irrel as to whether it is "regularly patrolled", but...
Is it necessary that he change lanes on his route, whether he takes the shorter or longer route? yes, he has to change lanes either way
Can't he simply merge onto the highway and stay in the same lane until he exits? well, yes, actually he could, but...
Is he driving a car? this motorcycle? bus? public transit vehicle?
Silly question - is he, himself, an officer of the law? no, he's not, but I think that's a good lateral question
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Is he riding alone in the car? Is this relevant?
Is it relevant where he works? Does he get into his car, drive to work, then park and exit the car to enter his workplace? Or does his job require the use of his car? Does he own the car, or is it property of his employer?
Are carpool/HOV lanes relevant?
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Is he avoiding a police officer? Does he pass the person whether or not he takes the alternate route? Is the person on the right side of the highway? Left side?
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Is he riding alone in the car? Is this relevant? not relevant
Is it relevant where he works? no
Does he get into his car, drive to work, then park and exit the car to enter his workplace? yes
Or does his job require the use of his car? no, or irrel
Does he own the car, or is it property of his employer? He owns it
Are carpool/HOV lanes relevant? no

Is he avoiding a police officer? yes!
Does he pass the person whether or not he takes the alternate route? no, he doesn't pass the person at all!
Is the person on the right side of the highway? Left side? irrel
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Is the broken blinker on the front of the car? or the rear? or both? does it matter?
Is the broken blinker on the left side? or the right side? or both? does it matter?
Are any other functions of the car not working properly?
So the man doesn't pass the officer - does he think that the officer will be driving behind him?
Does the man expect the officer to be in a patrol car? On a motorcycle? On foot? In a helicopter?
Some other kind of patrol?
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Is the broken blinker on the front of the car? or the rear? this
or both? although I think it sometimes affects both, but irrel does it matter? it's important that it's on the rear
Is the broken blinker on the left side? or the right side? this or both? does it matter? yes
Are any other functions of the car not working properly? no
So the man doesn't pass the officer - does he think that the officer will be driving behind him? he doesn't just THINK that...
Does the man expect the officer to be in a patrol car? On a motorcycle? On foot? In a helicopter? the man doesn't expect anything, but patrol car is the correct mode of transport
Some other kind of patrol?
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Does he know the officer will be driving behind him? Would the officer take the same exit as his normal route? And so, if the man took his normal route, the officer would see the broken signal? So he takes a different route?
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Is it guaranteed that if the man uses his most common route he will, at some point along the way, be driving in front of a patrol car? Or moreso just that the odds favor this?
Is he simply trying to avoid being pulled over and cited for a non-working rear blinker?
Is there something about his car that would attract attention from patrol cars (besides the broken blinker)?
If his blinker were working, would he exit the highway on the right side?
Since it isn't working and he takes a longer route, does he still exit to the same side as he would if the blinker worked?
What I'm wondering is if he's doing this because of some "hot zone", or regularly patrolled area of the highway, and he knows that his usual exit is in that zone, yet in order to properly exit the highway a driver must use his right blinker, which in this man's case he cannot do?
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Does he know the officer will be driving behind him? "will be"? no
Would the officer take the same exit as his normal route? not necessarily, no, but OTRT
And so, if the man took his normal route, the officer would see the broken signal? but yes, this is true
So he takes a different route? yes

Is it guaranteed that if the man uses his most common route he will, at some point along the way, be driving in front of a patrol car? No, it's not guaranteed
Or moreso just that the odds favor this? It's not about odds or predictions...
Is he simply trying to avoid being pulled over and cited for a non-working rear blinker? yes
Is there something about his car that would attract attention from patrol cars (besides the broken blinker)? no
If his blinker were working, would he exit the highway on the right side? yes, and his normal one
Since it isn't working and he takes a longer route, does he still exit to the same side as he would if the blinker worked? yes
What I'm wondering is if he's doing this because of some "hot zone", or regularly patrolled area of the highway, and he knows that his usual exit is in that zone, yet in order to properly exit the highway a driver must use his right blinker, which in this man's case he cannot do? this is correct in some sense, but it doesn't matter whether it's regularly patrolled or not, or that there is any "zone" to speak of
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Is the officer driving behind him? So he waits for the cop to go away before exiting? Causing him to have to take another exit?
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Is the officer driving behind him? So he waits for the cop to go away before exiting? Causing him to have to take another exit? That's it!

***********SPOILER*************

The man's right rear turn signal is out on his car, and has been for a week or two. As he is driving on the highway in the middle lane, he notices a police car behind him. Rather than trying to take his exit by changing lanes and risking being pulled over for not using a turn signal, he decides to wait it out until the police car exits (or at least moves out from behind him). Once it does, he changes lanes and takes the next exit in order to circle back around to his original route.


This has actually happened to me, although not on a highway. I needed to turn right, but turned left instead to avoid being pulled over. :P

Thanks to Balin, Biograd, Eli, Galfisk, Ixoye, Woodworm, and the Academy.
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Posted on Wednesday, August 18, 2010 - 12:54 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Nice puzzle!

Although I have to wonder: who (or what) is the Academy?
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That's a good one!
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The Academy is what every Oscar winner thanks. ;)
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Ah, of course!

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