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Posted on Saturday, September 25, 2010 - 7:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Brown: "You call that a rescue!?"
Smith: "Sorry about that, Sir, we had to do it."
Brown: "You hit me on the head and tied me up!"
Smith: "The alternative was worse, Sir."

Both Brown and Smith are H/A/M.
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Would the alternative have involved killing Brown? Killing someone else? A rescue: of Brown? Of someone else? Of multiple someones?
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Would the alternative have involved killing Brown? No. Killing someone else? No. A rescue: of Brown? Yes. Of someone else? No. Of multiple someones? No.
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Was Brown a POW? Is this a military puzzle?
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Was Brown a POW? No. Is this a military puzzle? Yes.
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Was Brown behind enemy lines? In a dangerous area? Did the enemy see Smith? See Brown?
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Was Brown behind enemy lines? No. In a dangerous area? Yes. Did the enemy see Smith? Yes. See Brown? Yes.
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Did Smith pretend to be taking Brown prisoner? Was the "hit on head/tie Brown up" planned? Improvised? Had the enemy crossed into Smith and Brown's territory?

Did this happen in [LTPF list of centuries]? On [LTPF list of continents]?
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Did Smith pretend to be taking Brown prisoner? No. Was the "hit on head/tie Brown up" planned? Improvised? This. Had the enemy crossed into Smith and Brown's territory? No.

Did this happen in [LTPF list of centuries]? 20th. On [LTPF list of continents]? Europe.
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Was this during WWI? WWII? LTPF list of countries allowed?
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Was this during WWI? This. WWII? LTPF list of countries allowed? It occurred in France.
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Was Smith French? Was Brown? Were they from the same country? From a European country?
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Was Smith French? No. Was Brown? No. Were they from the same country? Yes. From a European country? Yes.
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Germany?
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Germany? No. I'd've used Stein and Hans for their names in that case. Or Jacques and Cousteau, if they were French... :p

They're British, but their nationality and, indeed, which side they're on, is irrelevant.
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Were these two guys in enemy territory? On the battlefield? In an area with a high percentage of enemies? Spies relevant?
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Were these two guys in enemy territory? No. On the battlefield? Yes. In an area with a high percentage of enemies? Yes. Spies relevant? No.
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Were they infantry? Artillery? Cavalry?
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Were they infantry? Smith could be. Artillery? Cavalry? No to the others.
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Was Brown specifically sent to rescue Smith? Was Smith under fire? In the trenches?
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Was Brown specifically sent to rescue Smith? No. Was Smith under fire? No. In the trenches? No.
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Did Smith rescue Brown alone? Or was helped by someone? Relevant? Was Brown from the air force? Paratroopers? The worse alternative: was it worse for Brown? for Smith? for someone else? Did Smith literally hit and tie up Brown? If so, was this act seen by the enemy?
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Did Smith rescue Brown alone? No. Or was helped by someone? Several people. Relevant? Yes. Was Brown from the air force? Yes. Paratroopers? The worse alternative: was it worse for Brown? Yes. for Smith? No. for someone else? No. Did Smith literally hit and tie up Brown? Yes. If so, was this act seen by the enemy? The enemy didn't see the hitting; whether they saw the tying up is irrelevant.
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Did the whole operation happened on land? on water? in air?

Worse for Brown: he could've ended up in more (physical) danger?

Did the hitting left Brown unconscious? How long was he tied up: minutes? hours? days? Was he transported to another location (than the one in which the hitting took place?) Was he tied up immediately after being hit?
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Did the whole operation happened on land? Yes. on water? in air?

Worse for Brown: he could've ended up in more (physical) danger? Yes, though more likely simply incapacitated.

Did the hitting left Brown unconscious? Assume yes. How long was he tied up: minutes? This. hours? days? Was he transported to another location (than the one in which the hitting took place?) Yes. Was he tied up immediately after being hit? Yes.
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Was he transported to a safe place? Did Brown need medical attention?
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Was he transported to a safe place? Yes. Did Brown need medical attention? No.
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Was Brown about to be captured by the enemy? When Smith performed the rescue, was he in uniform? His own? The enemy's? Was he in disguise?
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Was Brown about to be captured by the enemy? Yes. When Smith performed the rescue, was he in uniform? Of whom are you speaking, Smith or Brown? His own? The enemy's? Was he in disguise?
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Was Smith in uniform at time of rescue? His own? The enemy's? In disguise? Same questions for Brown?
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Was Smith in uniform at time of rescue? Yes. His own? Yes. The enemy's? No. In disguise? No.

Was Brown in uniform at time of rescue? Yes. His own? Yes. The enemy's? No. In disguise? Yes. Look out for FAs.
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So Brown was in disguise, though in his own uniform... If so, was he pretenting to be someone else? A higher / lesser officer? Was he trying to provide the enemy false information? Was he detained by said enemy? Was he trying to impersonate himself as a spy? While he was in fact loyal? Did the enemy administrated to him some chemical substance to make him tell the truth?
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So Brown was in disguise, In a sense. though in his own uniform... If so, was he pretending to be someone else? No. A higher / lesser officer? No. Was he trying to provide the enemy false information? No. Look out for FAs. Was he detained by said enemy? No. Was he trying to impersonate himself as a spy? No. While he was in fact loyal? Did the enemy administrate to him some chemical substance to make him tell the truth? No.
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Was Brown pretending to be a different rank?
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Was Brown pretending to be a different rank? No.
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Was Brown hiding? Camouflaged? Was he in an airplane? A crash? Were either of them pilots? enemy plane(s) involved?
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Was Brown hiding? Yes. Camouflaged? No. Was he in an airplane? Not at the time. A crash? Yes. Were either of them pilots? Yes. enemy plane(s) involved? Irr.
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Is a ruse relevant? Did they need to trick the enemy? Trick Brown? Did brown see them before they hit him? Did he communicate with them?
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Is a ruse relevant? Yes. Did they Assuming you mean Smith? need to trick the enemy? Yes. Trick Brown? No. Did brown see them before they hit him? Briefly. Did he communicate with them? No.
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Was Brown a pilot? Was Smith?
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Was Brown a pilot? Yes. Was Smith? No.
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So Brown's plane crashed, correct? Did Smith rescue Brown from the wreckage? Did the enemy see the plane crash?
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So Brown's plane crashed, correct? Did Smith rescue Brown from the wreckage? Did the enemy see the plane crash? Yes to all.
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Was the enemy about to capture Brown? Planning to capture Brown?
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Was the enemy about to capture Brown? Yes. Planning to capture Brown? Not the right way of putting it. Hoping to.
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Did Smith pretend to be an enemy soldier? That Brown was an enemy soldier? A civilian? A captured soldier?
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Did Smith pretend to be an enemy soldier? That Brown was an enemy soldier? A civilian? A captured soldier? No to all.
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Did Smith trick the enemy into thinking Brown was dead? And that he was just recovering the body? Was he a medic? Relevant what he was?
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Did Smith trick the enemy into thinking Brown was dead? No. And that he was just recovering the body? Was he a medic? Yes. Relevant what he was? Yes.
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Did he knock out Brown so he would have a medical reason to take Brown back? Did the enemy know Smith was a medic? Did they try to capture Smith?
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Did he knock out Brown so he would have a medical reason to take Brown back? Yesish. Did the enemy know Smith was a medic? Yes. Did they try to capture Smith? Again, "try" isn't the right word. "Hoped" would be better.
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Was Smith injured in the rescue attempt? Did he pretend to be capturing Brown?
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Could Brown just have pretended to be unconscious? Or would the ruse not have worked then? Did the enemy try to capture them? Rules of engagement relevant? Were they confronted by the enemy? Chased? Threatened? Followed? Watched?
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Was Smith injured in the rescue attempt? No. Did he pretend to be capturing Brown? No.

Could Brown just have pretended to be unconscious? Yes, but he still would've had to be tied up. Or would the ruse not have worked then? Did the enemy try to capture them? Just Brown, and very much yopish to "try." Rules of engagement relevant? No. Were they confronted by the enemy? Yes. Chased? No. Threatened? No. Followed? Irr. Watched? Yes.
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Did the enemy ask Smith what he was doing? Why he'd tied up Brown? Did Smith lie to them?
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Did the enemy ask Smith what he was doing? Yes. Why he'd tied up Brown? No. Did Smith lie to them? Yes.
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Did Smith claim to be a civilian? That Brown was a civilian?
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Did Smith claim to be a civilian? That Brown was a civilian? No to both.
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Did he claim that either of them really were at the enemy side? that Brown was: injured? Dead? Captured? Someone else?
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Did he claim that either of them really were at the enemy side? No. that Brown was: injured? This, none of the others. Dead? Captured? Someone else?
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Did he claim to be trying to get Brown to a hospital? A medical tent?
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Did he claim to be trying to get Brown to a hospital? Yes. A medical tent? Irr.
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To a civilian hospital? To an army hospital? An enemy army hospital? A friendly army hospital?
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To a civilian hospital? To an army hospital? An enemy army hospital? A friendly army hospital? This.
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Did the enemy try to stop Smith? Did Smith claim that Brown needed urgent medical attention?
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Did the enemy try to stop Smith? No. Did Smith claim that Brown needed urgent medical attention? Yes.
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Did Smith claim that Brown was dying? About to die? So the enemy simply let him go?
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Did Smith claim that Brown was dying? No. About to die? No. So the enemy simply let him go? Yes.
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Relevant the problem he claimed Brown had? Did he claim Brown was wounded? From battle? From the crash?
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Relevant the problem he claimed Brown had? No. Did he claim Brown was wounded? Yes. From battle? From the crash? Irrelevant.
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Did he claim Brown was somebody important?
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Was Smith truly a medic? Or did he just claim to be a medic during the confrontation?

Was Brown tied to a long board so that it looked like a stretcher or gurney?
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Was Smith truly a medic? Yes. Or did he just claim to be a medic during the confrontation?

Was Brown tied to a long board so that it looked like a stretcher or gurney? Irr.
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You missed my question....

Was Brown tied up so that Smith's story would seem accurate? So that Brown wouldn't be able to accidentally reveal that Smith was lying?
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Did he claim Brown was somebody important? Irr.

Was Brown tied up so that Smith's story would seem accurate? Yes. So that Brown wouldn't be able to accidentally reveal that Smith was lying? No.
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Did Smtih claim that Brown was a prisoner?
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Did Smtih claim that Brown was a prisoner? No.
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Did Smith claim that Brown was a passenger on the plane?
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Did Smith claim that Brown was a passenger on the plane? No
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Could you please recap?
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Brown is a British pilot during WWI, and Smith is a British infantryman (assume a medic). Brown crashes in a dangerous area, though not in enemy territory. Smith confronts Germans who are hoping to capture Brown. Smith rescues Brown by knocking Brown out, tying him up, and claiming he needs medical attention (even though Brown is uninjured). Both Brown and Smith are in British uniform at the time.
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Recap: Brown is a British pilot during WWI, and Smith is a British infantryman (assume a medic). Brown crashes in a dangerous area, though not in enemy territory. Smith confronts Germans who are hoping to capture Brown. Smith rescues Brown by knocking Brown out, tying him up, and claiming he needs medical attention (even though Brown is uninjured). Both Brown and Smith are in British uniform at the time.
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Did he claim something about Brown's rank? Is the specific reason he "needed" medical attention relevant?
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Did he tell them Brown would die without medical attention? Did the Germans think the only way to save Brown, was to let them both go?
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Did he claim something about Brown's rank? No. Is the specific reason he "needed" medical attention relevant? No.

Did he tell them Brown would die without medical attention? No. Did the Germans think the only way to save Brown, was to let them both go? No.
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Did he claim that Brown was dead?
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Did he claim that Brown was dead? No.
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Did Smith pretend to be a German medic? A civilian medic?
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Ah...another classic (if you ain't lateral, you ain't gettin' this one!) Jenburdoo Puzzle!
I have happy memories (nervous twiches!) of my early days in the LTPF (sleepless nights!)trying to figure out why a ship's captain (silly man!)was painting his gray ship with gray paint (huh?). Do you remember?(dissociative amnesia!)

Just kidding. My attempt at a backhanded complement :-))

Did Smith's story to the Germans indicate that Brown was an injured member of their troop (is that the right word?) and that no one had knowledge of a missing pilot?
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Did Smith pretend to be a German medic? No. A civilian medic? No.

Ah...another classic (if you ain't lateral, you ain't gettin' this one!) Jenburdoo Puzzle!
I have happy memories (nervous twiches!) of my early days in the LTPF (sleepless nights!)trying to figure out why a ship's captain (silly man!)was painting his gray ship with gray paint (huh?). Do you remember?(dissociative amnesia!)
Just kidding. My attempt at a backhanded complement :-)) Aww, thank you!

Did Smith's story to the Germans indicate that Brown was an injured member of their troop No. (is that the right word?) and that no one had knowledge of a missing pilot? No.
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Did Smith make any attempt to conceal who Brown actually was?
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Did Smith make any attempt to conceal who Brown actually was? No.
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Were the Germans from the military? Did they hope to capture Brown in the sense of taking him prisoner, right?

Also please confirm the following: Smith and Brown are both in their uniform, though Smith is somewhat in disguise. In order for the trick to work, tying up Brown was essential. Just rendering him unconscious was not enough. Smith and the Germans (relevant how many Germans were? Relevant if one or more of them is also a doctor, provided that there was at least one?)

There was a conversation between the Germans and Smith. Following this conversation, the Germans let Smith, Brown and the rest go away, correct?

Did Smith imply that Brown was tied up before the crash?

Other than pointing out that he is going to take Brown to the hospital because he was injured, did he say anything else to the Germans?

Were there any regulation (thinking Red Cross or something similar)that provided that an unconscious injured enemy should not be taken prisoner if rescued by a certain type of personnel? (like doctors in the military)? If tied up? At least is this OTRT?
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Did he claim Brown was a deserter? Or traitor? Or something else (in addition to injured)? Did he claim a specific injury?
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Were the Germans from the military? Yes. Did they hope to capture Brown in the sense of taking him prisoner, right? Yes.

Also please confirm the following: Smith and Brown are both in their uniform, Yes. though Smith is somewhat in disguise. Look out for FAs. In order for the trick to work, tying up Brown was essential. Yes. Just rendering him unconscious was not enough. Correct. Smith and the Germans (relevant how many Germans were? No. Relevant if one or more of them is also a doctor, provided that there was at least one? No.)

There was a conversation between the Germans and Smith. Yes. Following this conversation, the Germans let Smith, Brown and the rest go away, correct? Yes, but likely FA.

Did Smith imply that Brown was tied up before the crash? No.

Other than pointing out that he is going to take Brown to the hospital because he was injured, did he say anything else to the Germans? Yes.

Were there any regulation (thinking Red Cross or something similar)that provided that an unconscious injured enemy should not be taken prisoner if rescued by a certain type of personnel? (like doctors in the military)? No relevant regulation. If tied up? No. At least is this OTRT? Yes.

Did he claim Brown was a deserter? No. Or traitor? No. Or something else (in addition to injured)? No. Did he claim a specific injury? No.
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Did he say anything else about what was going to happen to Brown? Where he would take him? A specific hospital? Did he give them a reason why Brown was tied up? Relevant how he was tied up? Did he give them information about Brown, except for his fake medical condition? If so, was that information also fake? Did he give information about himself? Fake information? After they spoke, did the Germans: no longer want to capture Brown? Think they could capture him later? Think Brown was not the droid person they were looking for? Think they were not allowed to capture him? Or that they would get in trouble if they did? Or that there wouldn't be any point?
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Did he say anything else about what was going to happen to Brown? No. Where he would take him? A specific hospital? Did he give them a reason why Brown was tied up? No, but it was obvious. Relevant how he was tied up? Yes. Did he give them information about Brown, except for his fake medical condition? No. If so, was that information also fake? Did he give information about himself? Yes. Fake information? No. After they spoke, Note: They spoke more than once. did the Germans: no longer want to capture Brown? This. Think they could capture him later? No. Think Brown was not the droid person they were looking for? No. Think they were not allowed to capture him? Technically correct. Or that they would get in trouble if they did? No. Or that there wouldn't be any point? No.
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Were Brown's hands tied? Feet? Was he bound around the torso?
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Were Brown's hands tied? Feet? Was he bound around the torso? Assume this.
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Could Brown move his hands? Feet?
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Could Brown move his hands? Feet? Irr. He was knocked out, for one thing. I will venture a guess that you have an FA about his being tied up.
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Is Brown tied to something by the rope (or whatever) bound around his torso?
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Is Brown tied to something by the rope (or whatever This is closer) bound around his torso? No.
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Hmm, so it's not a rope that he's tied up with. Is it a chain?
Is it fair to ask for the LTPF list of materials that one can be tied up with? (If there isn't one, there should be, lol)
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Hmm, so it's not a rope that he's tied up with. Is it a chain? No.
Is it fair to ask for the LTPF list of materials that one can be tied up with? No, but it ought to be fairly obvious, as it is something that Smith has easily to hand. (If there isn't one, there should be, lol) Haha!
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Umm...wait a second...what does Smith have? *scrolls back up and reads*

Brown's parachute?
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Umm...wait a second...what does Smith have? *scrolls back up and reads*

Brown's parachute? No. Hint: What is Smith's job description?
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Umm...OH! Smith is a medic!

Bandages! He was tied up with bandaging, right???

*has images of Brown looking like a mummy* *giggles*
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Umm...OH! Smith is a medic!

Bandages! He was tied up with bandaging, right??? Yep!

*has images of Brown looking like a mummy* *giggles*
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Ok, so now what?
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Ok, so now what? Why did the Germans just let them go? Remember that Smith has had not one, but two conversations with the Germans. There's a big picture here that you haven't worked out yet.

And while you work it out, I'm off to bed.
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Does Smith speak to them before and after reaching Brown? Does he speak to the same people both times? Does he tell them any lies, except that Brown is injured? Or does he commit any significant lies of omission? Do the Germans know that the bandaged person is Brown, the person they were hoping to capture? Are laws regarding how and/or when and/or who to take as prisoners of war relevant?
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Is it relevant how much time passes between the two conversations? If so: minutes? Hours? Days? Months? Years? Did the first conversation happen prior to the event so far established? Did the second happen during the event (the rescue operation)? After? Could any other British medical personnel knock down Brown, tie him up and escape in the same circumstances? Or is something personal about Smith we need to figure out? Has Smith some sort of a permit from the Germans that he is allowed to rescue fellow wounded comrades? Some permit from a country allied with Germany?
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Does Smith speak to them before and after reaching Brown? Yes. Does he speak to the same people both times? Yes. Does he tell them any lies, except that Brown is injured? No. Or does he commit any significant lies of omission? No. Do the Germans know that the bandaged person is Brown, the person they were hoping to capture? Yes. Are laws regarding how and/or when and/or who to take as prisoners of war relevant? No.

Is it relevant how much time passes between the two conversations? If so: minutes? This. Hours? Days? Months? Years? Did the first conversation happen prior to the event so far established? Yes. Did the second happen during the event (the rescue operation)? Yes. After? Could any other British medical personnel knock down Brown, tie him up and escape in the same circumstances? Yes. Or is something personal about Smith we need to figure out? No. Has Smith some sort of a permit from the Germans that he is allowed to rescue fellow wounded comrades? Something like that. Some permit from a country allied with Germany? No.
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Does the crash occur before the first conversation? After? Does Smith have a permit to get past the Germans? But they won't let him through? So he KOs/ties up Brown? And says "this man is injured, you have to let me through"? So they do?
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Does Smith ask the Germans for permission to get any wounded personnel out from the wreckage? And when he finds Brown unhurt, he comes up with this ruse?
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Does Smith ask the Germans for permission to get any wounded personnel out from the wreckage? Yes. And when he finds Brown unhurt, he comes up with this ruse? Yes.

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The story goes that a British plane crashed in No-Man's-Land, and parties from both sides investigated. They decided between them that, if the pilot was unhurt, he would go with the Germans as a prisoner, and if injured, the British could take him. The British found the pilot first, uninjured, and promptly beat up the pilot, wrapped him in bandages, and claimed he was injured; thus, he would not become a PoW.

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