| Author | Message | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3531 Registered: 4-2010 |
Music saved the world. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3090 Registered: 9-2009 |
The world: The earth? Life on earth? Human civilization? Or some part of it? Did this happen in modern times? Music: real actual music created by humans? A specific musical piece? Or recording? Or performance? Is the music in form of a song? Was the world saved from something? A disaster? War? Disease? Pollution? A person? Something trivial? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3534 Registered: 4-2010 |
The world: The earth? Life on earth? Human civilization? Pretty much all of these Or some part of it? Did this happen in modern times? Yes, but it is FSEI Music: real actual music created by humans? Yes A specific musical piece? Yes Or recording? Or performance? Is the music in form of a song? Yes Was the world saved from something? A disaster? This... War? ...and this too... Disease? Pollution? A person? ...with an -ish to this. Something trivial? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3093 Registered: 9-2009 |
Possible spoiler emailed. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3541 Registered: 4-2010 |
Possible $poyler incorrect - "Mars Attacks" and Slim Whitman are not relevant. Good guess though. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3097 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is the song used as a weapon? As a message of peace? As a message to the people? Was the bad thing in the process of happening? Or was it just a threat? Or a future certainty? Is a real war relevant? Nuclear weapons relevant? Other WMDs? Relevant which countries would have been involved in the war? Or would it have been a civil war? did the song unite the opposing sides? | ||
| Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member Username: Whirligig Post Number: 162 Registered: 8-2010 |
Were the other "people" aliens? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3545 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the song used as a weapon? No As a message of peace? No As a message to the people? No Was the bad thing in the process of happening? It was about to happen Or was it just a threat? No Or a future certainty? See earlier answers Is a real war relevant? As in, one that's happened in history? No. Nuclear weapons relevant? Yes Other WMDs? Yes Relevant which countries would have been involved in the war? Two countries are important Or would it have been a civil war? No did the song unite the opposing sides?No Were the other "people" aliens? No, they were HAM. Sorry for the confusion - that should have been a "Yes (tiny ish)". | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3100 Registered: 9-2009 |
Chemical weapons? Biological ones? Fictional ones? Is the song meant to save the world? Or was it accidental? Are the countries in [LTPF list of continents]? Did the songwriter live in one of the countries? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3549 Registered: 4-2010 |
Chemical weapons? Irrel Biological ones? Irrel Fictional ones? No (recall that this is a fictional story, though) Is the song meant to save the world? Yope Or was it accidental? No Are the countries in [LTPF list of continents]? Asia, North America Did the songwriter live in one of the countries? No - I will say that the song is real. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3104 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did one of the countries want war? Both? US and Russia? US and China? Is the US one of the parts? Were they being mislead/manupulated? Relevant what the war would have been about? Would there have been an ICBM exchange? Mutually assured destruction relevant? R.E.M. relevant? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3571 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did one of the countries want war? Noish Both? No US and Russia? No, but... US and China? No, but... Is the US one of the parts? Yes Were they being mislead/manupulated? Yes Relevant what the war would have been about? Yes Would there have been an ICBM exchange? I'm not sure if the second country has ICBMs, but possibly Mutually assured destruction relevant? Yesish - see previous answer R.E.M. relevant? No =) | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3109 Registered: 9-2009 |
US and Japan? Tom Clancy relevant? Is it a story from a book? Movie? TV show? Play? Essay? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3576 Registered: 4-2010 |
US and Japan? Yes Tom Clancy relevant? No Is it a story from a book? Movie? TV show? This Play? Essay? | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 2141 Registered: 1-2001 |
Is it relevant to know how or where the certain song was heard? For instance, was it aired on a radio? Played aloud where several people could hear it? Played privately so only one or a few people could hear it? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3578 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is it relevant to know how or where the certain song was heard? Yope For instance, was it aired on a radio? No, but this might have worked Played aloud where several people could hear it? Yes, but... Played privately so only one or a few people could hear it? ...it was mainly so one specific person could hear it. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3116 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was the one specific person: Japanese? American? Being mislead/manipulated? Doing the misleading/manioulation? Is the person HAM? Did the person change their behavior as a result? For the better? Did it make them realize the error of their ways? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3583 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was the one specific person: Japanese? American? This Being mislead/manipulated? Noish to Yope Doing the misleading/manioulation? No Is the person HAM? Yes Did the person change their behavior as a result? No For the better? See prev Did it make them realize the error of their ways? No, this is the good guy CLARIFICATION: There are three relevant people. One is Japanese, one is American, and one is unknown/foreign. The American is the one for whom the song is played to save the world, and he's the good guy in the story. | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 2143 Registered: 1-2001 |
Was the good guy facing a decision to declare war? To retaliate? To prepare for war? To deploy troops? To recall troops? Did the music affirm to the good guy that he was making a wise decision? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3589 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was the good guy facing a decision to declare war? No To retaliate? No To prepare for war? No To deploy troops? No To recall troops? No Did the music affirm to the good guy that he was making a wise decision? No | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 2146 Registered: 1-2001 |
Did the good guy ask someone to play the song? Was this man influential to other people? Was he a leader? Was he part of the military? A political figure? A religious figure? An average person? Was he musically gifted? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3593 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did the good guy ask someone to play the song? Yes, svv of "play" Was this man influential to other people? Yope Was he a leader? Noish Was he part of the military? Noish A political figure? No A religious figure? No An average person? Yesish Was he musically gifted? No | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3127 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did he ask someone to sing it? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3598 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he ask someone to sing it? No | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3132 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is the one playingish the song: Japanese? Unknown? Or is it played/performed by a device? Is the unknown person the one trying to start a war? Is the American being misled? Is the Japanese? Does anyone else relevant hear the song? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3481 Registered: 5-2003 |
Anything to do with the atom or hydrogen bomb? Cuba or similar crises? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3615 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the one playingish the song: Japanese? Unknown? Or is it played/performed by a device? This - it is played over a loudspeaker/PA system Is the unknown person the one trying to start a war? Yes Is the American being misled? Noish Is the Japanese? Yesish to Yope Does anyone else relevant hear the song? No other relevant people, but other irrelevant people do Anything to do with the atom or hydrogen bomb? Cuba or similar crises? No to both | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3722 Registered: 4-2010 |
RECAP: An American saved the world as a result of music being played over a PA system. Two other people are relevant; one is Japanese, and the other is foreign (I'm not sure from where - I think somewhere in the Middle East). The world would have ended through bombings and war, which the foreign person was trying to start. The Japanese person was misled-ish, but the American was not-ish. HINTS: Video games are relevant, and the song is from the 1980s. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3887 Registered: 4-2010 |
HINT: This comes from a current television show. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3888 Registered: 4-2010 |
HINT: This comes from a current television show. | ||
| Kaygee (Kaygee)
New member Username: Kaygee Post Number: 465 Registered: 9-2008 |
I haven't see this show - so more questions... Are the words to the song relevant? Do we need to determine which song was played? Was the song played to convey a "message" to the Japanese person? to the foreign person? to the American? If the song was NOT played, would one of our 3 people do something to cause the destruction? If so, which person - American? Japanese? Unknown Foreigner? (If these keeps going, we are going to have to give these guys some names!) | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3893 Registered: 4-2010 |
I haven't see this show - so more questions... How do you know you haven't seen it if we don't know what the show is? Are the words to the song relevant? No Do we need to determine which song was played? Yesish Was the song played to convey a "message" to the Japanese person? Yopish, svv of "message" to the foreign person? to the American? Yesish, svv of "message" If the song was NOT played, would one of our 3 people do something to cause the destruction? Yes If so, which person - American? Japanese? Unknown Foreigner? This (If these keeps going, we are going to have to give these guys some names!) Please do...I'm not very good at naming my own characters! | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3549 Registered: 5-2003 |
American: John Japanese: Tanaka Middle Easterner: Abdul Did Tanaka start the music? Did John hear it? If so, did it cause John to do something? Not do something? That stopped Abdul? Did Abdul have his finger on the doomsday button? Or was he otherwise personally responsible for unleashing Armageddon? Vague recollection: Is this from 24? If so, is the American Jack Bauer? Is the PA system in a relevant place? Outside? A mall? An airport? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3911 Registered: 4-2010 |
American: John Japanese: Tanaka Middle Easterner: Abdul Excellent names for all! Did Tanaka start the music? No - a friend of John's did. That friend has nothing more to do with the puzzle. Did John hear it? Yes If so, did it cause John to do something? Yes (slightly-larger-than-tiny ish) Not do something? No That stopped Abdul? Yes Did Abdul have his finger on the doomsday button? No, but... Or was he otherwise personally responsible for unleashing Armageddon? Yes Vague recollection: Is this from 24? If so, is the American Jack Bauer? No to both - I've never actually seen 24. Is the PA system in a relevant place? Outside? A mall? An airport? An electronics store - not terribly relevant | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3912 Registered: 4-2010 |
BLOOPERISH: "Did Tanaka start the music?" No, as stated above...but you may want to explore Tanaka's connection to the music (and the video game) further. | ||
| Kaygee (Kaygee)
New member Username: Kaygee Post Number: 476 Registered: 9-2008 |
Ah...well I think I know which TV Show - but I don't think I remember this episode. When John heard the music, did it cause him to change his actions? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4035 Registered: 4-2010 |
Ah...well I think I know which TV Show - but I don't think I remember this episode. Feel free to take a stab at the show. When John heard the music, did it cause him to change his actions? Yope to Yesish | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 2281 Registered: 1-2001 |
Is Pac Man related to the situation? Are the ages of the 3 main people relevant? Their jobs? Their level of education? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4066 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is Pac Man related to the situation? No, but the relevant video game came out the same year (I think) as Pac-Man. Are the ages of the 3 main people relevant? Not really Their jobs? Yes Their level of education? Noish | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 2285 Registered: 1-2001 |
Are any of them police? Military? Security related job? President, or leader of a nation? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4072 Registered: 4-2010 |
Are any of them police? Military? Yope to all three people Security related job? President, or leader of a nation? No to rest for all three | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 2289 Registered: 1-2001 |
Space Invaders? Centipede? Pong? Mario Brothers? Donkey Kong? Another specific video game? Found in arcades? Played on home systems? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4076 Registered: 4-2010 |
Space Invaders? Centipede? Pong? Mario Brothers? Donkey Kong? None of these, but... Another specific video game? ...this. Found in arcades? Yes Played on home systems? No | ||
| Kaygee (Kaygee)
New member Username: Kaygee Post Number: 489 Registered: 9-2008 |
Is this an episode of Chuck? Are the 3 men spies? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4087 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is this an episode of Chuck? Yes! Are the 3 men spies? But no. "John" is actually Chuck, so Yes for him, but the other two are not-ish spies. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4091 Registered: 4-2010 |
Might as well give you their jobs... "John" (whom we have determined is actually Chuck, from the TV show of that name) is a spy. "Tanaka" is a weapon satellite creator and scientist. "Abdul" is a global terrorist. | ||
| Kaygee (Kaygee)
New member Username: Kaygee Post Number: 492 Registered: 9-2008 |
When he heard the music, did Tanaka change his actions? Was John/Chuck planning to apprehend or hurt Tanaka before the music sounded? after the music sounded? Was he planning to apprehend or hurt Abdul before? after? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4093 Registered: 4-2010 |
When he heard the music, did Tanaka change his actions? No - HINT: Tanaka is dead by this point. Was John/Chuck planning to apprehend or hurt Tanaka before the music sounded? after the music sounded? Was he planning to apprehend or hurt Abdul before? after? None of these, with an "ish" to "after". Someone else apprehended Abdul right around this time. | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 2295 Registered: 1-2001 |
Well since there's a spy involved, was it "Spy Hunter"? Was the music the Peter Gunn Theme? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4104 Registered: 4-2010 |
Well since there's a spy involved, was it "Spy Hunter"? Was the music the Peter Gunn Theme? Neither | ||
| Kaygee (Kaygee)
New member Username: Kaygee Post Number: 496 Registered: 9-2008 |
Was the music actually sound effects from the game? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4156 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was the music actually sound effects from the game? No | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 2319 Registered: 1-2001 |
Did the game involve war? War-like activity? Space-based video game? Car-driving game? Shooting game? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4177 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did the game involve war? No War-like activity? Yope Space-based video game? Yope Car-driving game? No Shooting game? Yope | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 2321 Registered: 1-2001 |
Game involving missiles? Satellites? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4182 Registered: 4-2010 |
Game involving missiles? This Satellites? | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 2325 Registered: 1-2001 |
Well there was a game called "Polaris" that involved protecting cities from missiles - was it this? Someone played a song by the group Polaris and it reminded John of the game? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4190 Registered: 4-2010 |
Well there was a game called "Polaris" that involved protecting cities from missiles - was it this? No, but you've got the basics of the game right. The game in the puzzle is Missile Command. Someone played a song by the group Polaris and it reminded John of the game? No | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 2333 Registered: 1-2001 |
Ah, I knew the game - Polaris was a home computer version of Missile Command. Is the song "99 Red Balloons", by any chance? Another song about using missiles? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4227 Registered: 4-2010 |
Ah, I knew the game - Polaris was a home computer version of Missile Command. Ah - I did not know that. Is the song "99 Red Balloons", by any chance? No, and a HINT: The song is by a Canadian band. Another song about using missiles? No | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 2344 Registered: 1-2001 |
Is John anticipating a real-life situation like what is portrayed in the Missile Command game? If so, does the music remind him of the situation? Does he have the ability to prevent a real-life situation? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4370 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is John anticipating a real-life situation like what is portrayed in the Missile Command game? No If so, does the music remind him of the situation? No Does he have the ability to prevent a real-life situation? Yes - by playing the game and listening to the music (HINT), he prevents an attack. | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 2346 Registered: 1-2001 |
Is he playing the game in an arcade? Does it matter where he is while playing? Are any of his actions during the game relevant? Before? After? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4397 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is he playing the game in an arcade? No, but he is playing on an arcade machine. He's in the same store that the music is played in. Does it matter where he is while playing? Only that the music and the game are in the same place. Are any of his actions during the game relevant? Yes Before? Yope After? Yes, immediately after | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 2349 Registered: 1-2001 |
Does John make any relevant phone calls? Talk directly to anyone? Make some kind of hand signal or other signal? Is the music a signal of some kind? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4399 Registered: 4-2010 |
Does John make any relevant phone calls? Yesish Talk directly to anyone? Yes, to a fourth person, whom I forgot to mention is also relevant (BLOOPER). HAF...feel free to name her. Make some kind of hand signal or other signal? No Is the music a signal of some kind? Yope | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 2352 Registered: 1-2001 |
Does John receive a phone call from the 4th person? Are any relevant people in the room with John while he's playing the game? Person #4? Abdul? Does John leave the room he's in after finishing the game? Or does he stay there? Does John ever meet Abdul in person? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4404 Registered: 4-2010 |
Does John receive a phone call from the 4th person? No - John contacts Person 4 using a communication watch (spy gadget). Are any relevant people in the room with John while he's playing the game? Only the person who turns the music on, who is otherwise irrelevant. Person #4? No Abdul? No Does John leave the room he's in after finishing the game? Or does he stay there? This Does John ever meet Abdul in person? No | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 2354 Registered: 1-2001 |
So...John's playing Missile Command, THEN hears a certain song, THEN contacts person 4, THEN stays in the room - is this chronology accurate? Is the song by Gordon Lightfoot? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4409 Registered: 4-2010 |
So...John's playing Missile Command, THEN hears a certain song, THEN contacts person 4, THEN stays in the room - is this chronology accurate? Noish - as a HINT, the events all occurred in under 10 minutes, John never leaves the room throughout the entire time, and he has no reason to leave. And the last thing he does is contact Person 4. Is the song by Gordon Lightfoot? No | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 2356 Registered: 1-2001 |
Does John give person 4 (how about 'Nancy'?) any instructions? Does he ask her any questions? Does John finish the game before he contacts Nancy? Does Nancy work for John? Is she also a spy? Does John work for Nancy? If John had opted to play another game instead of MC, would he still have contacted Nancy? Same question if a different song had been played. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4411 Registered: 4-2010 |
Does John give person 4 (how about 'Nancy'?) any instructions? Yes Does he ask her any questions? No Does John finish the game before he contacts Nancy? YES! Does Nancy work for John? Noish Is she also a spy? Yes Does John work for Nancy? Yope - she's his handler. They work together. If John had opted to play another game instead of MC, would he still have contacted Nancy? No - good question! Same question if a different song had been played. Same answer | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 2358 Registered: 1-2001 |
So, does the combination of the game and the song prompt John to contact Nancy? Has John ever met Tanaka? How about Abdul? Does he even know that such people are/were alive? Does John say either the word "Tanaka" or "Abdul" to Nancy when he contacts her? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4413 Registered: 4-2010 |
So, does the combination of the game and the song prompt John to contact Nancy? Yesish Has John ever met Tanaka? Yes How about Abdul? No Does he even know that such people are/were alive? Yes - Abdul is, Tanaka was. He knows both of these facts. Does John say either the word "Tanaka" or "Abdul" to Nancy when he contacts her? No | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 2360 Registered: 1-2001 |
So John has met Tanaka - does John know what Tanaka's job was? Has Tanaka built something relevant to this situation? Some kind of weapon? A satellite? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4415 Registered: 4-2010 |
So John has met Tanaka - does John know what Tanaka's job was? Yes Has Tanaka built something relevant to this situation? Yes - two things... Some kind of weapon? A satellite? ...the first of which is an active weapons satellite. | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 2362 Registered: 1-2001 |
Is Tanaka's other creation relevant? Is it also a type of weapon? Tracking device? Did Abdul know about Tanaka's creations? Only one of them? Was he attempting to hijack one of them? Both? Had someone gotten a "confession" from Abdul? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4417 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is Tanaka's other creation relevant? Yes Is it also a type of weapon? Tracking device? None of these Did Abdul know about Tanaka's creations? Yes Only one of them? No Was he attempting to hijack one of them? Yes - he had activated the weapons satellite. Both? Noish Had someone gotten a "confession" from Abdul? No | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 2364 Registered: 1-2001 |
Did Abdul kill Tanaka? Does John know that Abdul had activated the satellite? If not, does the game/song combination make him aware that this kind of thing can happen? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4419 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did Abdul kill Tanaka? Yes Does John know that Abdul had activated the satellite? Yes If not, does the game/song combination make him aware that this kind of thing can happen? See above. And you have no idea how accurate you are with a certain phrase you just used.... | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 2365 Registered: 1-2001 |
Uh, ok...was the phrase "activated the satellite"? "Game/song combination"? "This kind of thing can happen"? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4420 Registered: 4-2010 |
Uh, ok...was the phrase "activated the satellite"? "Game/song combination"? This one... "This kind of thing can happen"? | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 2367 Registered: 1-2001 |
Ok, from what I remember about the MC game, the main elements are air-to-ground missiles (ICBM's, maybe), smart bombs, airplanes, and surface-to-air beams that cause fireballs that stop the missiles and smart bombs - are any of these elements related to Tanaka's other creation, besides the satellite? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4422 Registered: 4-2010 |
Ok, from what I remember about the MC game, the main elements are air-to-ground missiles (ICBM's, maybe), smart bombs, airplanes, and surface-to-air beams that cause fireballs that stop the missiles and smart bombs - are any of these elements related to Tanaka's other creation, besides the satellite? Technically, all of them are (hee hee) | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 2369 Registered: 1-2001 |
Ok let's try an improbable leap - is Tanaka's other creation the MC game itself? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4424 Registered: 4-2010 |
Ok let's try an improbable leap - is Tanaka's other creation the MC game itself? Improbable indeed, but absolutely correct! | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 2370 Registered: 1-2001 |
Wow, take enough jumps and eventually you will stick the landing! Does the game have some kind of coded message for John? Does the music have one also? Does John choose the game at random? Does someone suggest that he play it? Are other games available to be played? Is music always played in the background of this place? Just when John is there? Has this certain song been played at this place before? Does the person who is in charge of selecting and playing the song know that John is present when the song is played? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4431 Registered: 4-2010 |
Wow, take enough jumps and eventually you will stick the landing! Does the game have some kind of coded message for John? Yope Does the music have one also? Yope... Does John choose the game at random? No Does someone suggest that he play it? Noish Are other games available to be played? No Is music always played in the background of this place? No Just when John is there? No Has this certain song been played at this place before? Assume no Does the person who is in charge of selecting and playing the song know that John is present when the song is played? Yes - John asks him to play the song. | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 2372 Registered: 1-2001 |
Is the song a recording? Played live on an instrument? Is a TV nearby where John is? Showing anything relevant? Does John ask for the song to be played because of certain lyrics of the song? The rhythm of the song? The style of the song? The way the lyrics sound? Does the song feature a singer, or is it instrumental? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4434 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the song a recording? Yes Played live on an instrument? Thus no Is a TV nearby where John is? Yes, and... Showing anything relevant? ...yes. However, the puzzle would work without the TVs (there's more than one), so assume no. Does John ask for the song to be played because of certain lyrics of the song? The rhythm of the song? This-ish The style of the song? The way the lyrics sound? Does the song feature a singer, This or is it instrumental? | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 2374 Registered: 1-2001 |
Is the band Rush? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4436 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the band Rush? Yes!!! So the song is... | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 2377 Registered: 1-2001 |
Uh...the only songs by Rush I can name immediately are YYZ, The Spirit of Radio and The Trees. With Google's help I know they also had one called Armor and Sword, which could be applicable. If it's not one of these, hopefully someone who knows more songs by Rush can help out. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4476 Registered: 4-2010 |
Uh...the only songs by Rush I can name immediately are YYZ, The Spirit of Radio and The Trees. With Google's help I know they also had one called Armor and Sword, which could be applicable. If it's not one of these, hopefully someone who knows more songs by Rush can help out. It's none of these, but it's definitely one of the more well-known, if not the most well-known, of their songs. As a HINT, are the titles of my puzzles ever irrelevant? | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 2378 Registered: 1-2001 |
Don't they have one called "The Weapon"? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4479 Registered: 4-2010 |
Don't they have one called "The Weapon"? I'm not sure, but that's not the song we're looking for. | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 2380 Registered: 1-2001 |
It HAS to be Tom Sawyer... | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4492 Registered: 4-2010 |
It HAS to be Tom Sawyer... ...and it IS "Tom Sawyer." Now how do the song, the game, and the weapons satellite all connect? | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 2383 Registered: 1-2001 |
Ok, let's try this: from the lyrics and description of the song, it's about a sort of rebel/hero with a boyish persona. So, perhaps the way to communicate with John in a way he will appreciate is not to simply call him or transmit a message, but provide an example in a game and with a song that describes his personality? The game shows what is about to happen and John knows how to stop it? And this is the best method to cause him to act? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4504 Registered: 4-2010 |
Ok, let's try this: from the lyrics and description of the song, it's about a sort of rebel/hero with a boyish persona. So, perhaps the way to communicate with John in a way he will appreciate is not to simply call him or transmit a message, but provide an example in a game and with a song that describes his personality? The game shows what is about to happen and John knows how to stop it? And this is the best method to cause him to act? No to all. Remember, it's the rhythm (ish) of the song that's relevant. | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 2385 Registered: 1-2001 |
Did John need to achieve a certain score on the game? Was he good at the game? Is this why he called Nancy after the game? Did Tanaka communicate a message to John via the game? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4507 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did John need to achieve a certain score on the game? Yes, and I'll just tell you this part: he had to beat it and reach the kill screen (which doesn't actually exist in real life).Was he good at the game? Yes Is this why he called Nancy after the game? Yes, but there's more to it. Did Tanaka communicate a message to John via the game? YES!! (although anyone who had beaten the game would have gotten the message) | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 2386 Registered: 1-2001 |
So he had to reach a "kill screen" to get a message? A code? Something to activate or deactivate the satellite? Or a defense shield against the satellite? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4522 Registered: 4-2010 |
So he had to reach a "kill screen" to get a message? A code? This... Something to activate or deactivate the satellite? ...that did this! Or a defense shield against the satellite? You've got most of it now...John (really Chuck) has to beat Missile Command to reach a kill screen, where he gets the code to deactivate the satellite. He relays this code to Nancy, who actually does the deactivation. Now how are the song and game related? | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 2389 Registered: 1-2001 |
The song is somewhat long, allowing John time to play the game long enough to reach the end? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4547 Registered: 4-2010 |
The song is somewhat long, allowing John time to play the game long enough to reach the end? Not quite, but OTRT-ish | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 2393 Registered: 1-2001 |
Did the song begin at the same time that John started playing the game? Is it relevant to know how long it took John to reach the kill screen? It seems it would take him a lot longer to beat the game than the length of the song, which I think is approx. 4 1/2 minutes. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4551 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did the song begin at the same time that John started playing the game? Yes!! Is it relevant to know how long it took John to reach the kill screen? Yes, see below It seems it would take him a lot longer to beat the game than the length of the song, which I think is approx. 4 1/2 minutes. In the episode, the song length equals the length of the game. Obviously, this would not work in real life, as Missile Command doesn't even have a kill screen IRL. | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 2397 Registered: 1-2001 |
So if the lyrics aren't important (as revealed earlier), what part(s) of the song is relevant...time elapsed for the song to play? guitar riffs/solos? drum solos? Does John do anything else relevant prior to playing the game? Does he go into the room specifically to play the game? Does he just really like "Tom Sawyer"? Does it help him focus? Play fast? Play well? Would another song by the same band have worked? Even if it was exactly the same length? Is it relevant that both Missile Command and Tom Sawyer were released in '81/'82? Did John play MC as a kid? And listed to Tom Sawyer as he played? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4562 Registered: 4-2010 |
So if the lyrics aren't important (as revealed earlier), what part(s) of the song is relevant...time elapsed for the song to play? guitar riffs/solos? drum solos? Just the rhythm (ish) Does John do anything else relevant prior to playing the game? Yes; he realizes the connection between the game and the music Does he go into the room specifically to play the game? Yes Does he just really like "Tom Sawyer"? Irrel Does it help him focus? Yope Play fast? Noish Play well? Yesish Would another song by the same band have worked? NO... Even if it was exactly the same length? and NO. Nice q's! Is it relevant that both Missile Command and Tom Sawyer were released in '81/'82? I'm not sure...assume Yope. Did John play MC as a kid? Yes, but irrel And listed to Tom Sawyer as he played? No | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 2400 Registered: 1-2001 |
How does he realize the connection - by something someone tells him? Something he hears? Something he already knows, just suddenly realizes? Does he make the connection before he enters the room to play the game? After? Does something about the game itself reveal the connection? About the way the graphics look? About the way the game cabinet looks? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4569 Registered: 4-2010 |
How does he realize the connection - by something someone tells him? Something he hears? This, and something he sees. But how he makes the connection is irrel to the puzzle. Something he already knows, just suddenly realizes? Does he make the connection before he enters the room to play the game? No After? Yes Does something about the game itself reveal the connection? Not "reveal" the connection.... About the way the graphics look? About the way the game cabinet looks? Neither of these | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 2404 Registered: 1-2001 |
So close, yet so far away... Does John go into the room because he knows that he needs to prevent the satellite from being used? Does he know that his actions in the room will help him prevent this? Has someone told him to go to this place to get some needed information? Has someone told him to expect Tom Sawyer to be played for him? Has Tanaka given John some instructions as to how to arm/disarm the satellite? Something like "If you're ever in a place with a MC game and they're playing Tom Sawyer by Rush you'll know that's where you'll get the code..."? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4574 Registered: 4-2010 |
So close, yet so far away... Does John go into the room because he knows that he needs to prevent the satellite from being used? Yes Does he know that his actions in the room will help him prevent this? Yes Has someone told him to go to this place to get some needed information? Well, the specific place isn't really relevant. It would have worked if he had been listening to the song on an iPod or something while playing the game. Has someone told him to expect Tom Sawyer to be played for him? Noish Has Tanaka given John some instructions as to how to arm/disarm the satellite? Hmmm...yope. Something like "If you're ever in a place with a MC game and they're playing Tom Sawyer by Rush you'll know that's where you'll get the code..."? Not like this though | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 2408 Registered: 1-2001 |
Has anyone instructed John to go to the place where the game is? Or did he just randomly go there? Was he going there for another purpose originally? When John enters the room, does he proceed directly to the game machine? Does he see something that lets him know he should do this? Does he talk to anyone before he starts playing the game? While he's playing? Is the use of this certain song some kind of signal for John? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4579 Registered: 4-2010 |
Has anyone instructed John to go to the place where the game is? Yope Or did he just randomly go there? No Was he going there for another purpose originally? No When John enters the room, does he proceed directly to the game machine? Yes Does he see something that lets him know he should do this? No Does he talk to anyone before he starts playing the game? Yes, but irrel to puzzle While he's playing? No Is the use of this certain song some kind of signal for John? Yope Except for the last question, this line of questioning is OTWT. Focus on the song and the game - John has nothing to do with the connection, except that he realizes it and is able to... | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 2411 Registered: 1-2001 |
...listen to the song and play the game well based on some kind of pattern or rhythm in the song? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4585 Registered: 4-2010 |
...listen to the song and play the game well based on some kind of pattern or rhythm in the song? Pretty much, so... **********SPOILER********** As has been determined, this comes from an episode of Chuck (Season 2 Episode 4, "Chuck Versus Tom Sawyer"). In order to help you understand the puzzle scenario, I'm going to recap the main plot of the episode. So, Chuck ("John" in the puzzle) works at an electronics store, but he's also a spy. He recognizes someone who comes into the store as global terrorist Farrokh ("Abdul" in the puzzle) - Farrokh is looking for one of Chuck's coworkers, Jeff (not in the puzzle). Chuck meets up with his handlers, Sarah ("Nancy" in the puzzle) and Casey (not in the puzzle), and they realize that they need to figure out what Farrokh wants with Jeff. Chuck and Jeff hang out, and Jeff shows Chuck a video tape from 25 years ago, after he set the high score in Missile Command. In the video, the creator of the game, Morimoto ("Tanaka" in the puzzle) gives Jeff a plaque, and Chuck realizes Morimoto was working for the Japanese government as a scientist. (How did he realize that?...Well, that would also require a recap of the whole show.) The next day, Sarah tells Chuck that Morimoto was not only a video game designer, but also a weapons satellite creator. Our three spies head over to Atari and Chuck gets into Morimoto's office, but Farrokh locks him in. Chuck finds Morimoto playing Missile Command while listening to "Tom Sawyer," and Morimoto explains that the song provides the proper rhythm to beat the game. He also tells Chuck that: -the code for the satellite is hidden in the kill screen, -Farrokh saw Morimoto reach the kill screen and thus knows the code, and -every Missile Command game has the code in the kill screen. Chuck sees that Morimoto's game is wired to explode if he loses, but Casey is able to get Chuck out before the explosion. The spies reassemble and learn that the military is planning to launch a missile at the satellite to destroy it; however, there will still be collateral damage. Chuck realizes that there is another way - to use the code from the Missile Command kill screen. However, they need to beat the game, and Chuck thinks that the only one who can do that is Jeff. To make a long story short (too late), they assemble an audience and have an arcade machine brought in, but Jeff passes out and cannot play. Chuck is forced to play instead, so while the military prepares to launch the missile, he tries to beat the game...and fails. One of the guys in the audience yells that "[Chuck] sucks," and Chuck sees that he's wearing a Rush T-shirt. Now we get to the puzzle scenario. Chuck realizes that the pattern for the song "Tom Sawyer" matches the pattern for shooting the missiles in the game, so he gets his friend Morgan (not in the puzzle scenario) to play the song over the PA system as he inserts a quarter. He is able to reach the kill screen, and he relays the code to Sarah (who has knocked out Farrokh and his men). She inputs the code, deactivating the satellite just before the military missile is launched. Music saved the world. Here's a video showing this section of the episode...unfortunately, it ends right before the kill screen, but it's still an awesome video. It cuts between the three characters - Chuck, Sarah, and Casey - trying to disable the satellite in their own environments (Chuck at the video game, Sarah taking out Farrokh and his men, and Casey arming the missile). Excellent job on this long puzzle, everyone, notably Galfisk for the early work, Kaygee for determining the show (and saving the puzzle right before I was about to kill it for inaction), and Ixoye for pretty much everything else! | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 2417 Registered: 1-2001 |
Whew! Very good puzzle - I'm not sure I understand how a song's pattern can match something in a video game, but that's beside the point. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4591 Registered: 4-2010 |
Good point - apparently, Morimoto created the game to match the song pattern, so it would be possible for him to reach the kill screen/code if needed. Nice job solving it! | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 2425 Registered: 1-2001 |
Thanks - Geddy would be proud. |
