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Mr and Mrs Yorke are sitting in their living room, relaxing. Suddenly Mr Yorke says "Oh, Mrs Greenwood is back home".
Mrs Greenwood is their neighbour. How did Mr Yorke guess that?
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Did he: hear something? See something? Feel (in a physical sense) something? Smell something? Could he have known that she was home, if he had been sitting alone? Does he know something relevant about the habits of Mrs. Greenwood? Do either of them have any relevant pets?
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Did they live in an apartment building?
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Did he: hear something? This See something? Feel (in a physical sense) something? Smell something? No to rest Could he have known that she was home, if he had been sitting alone? Yes Does he know something relevant about the habits of Mrs. Greenwood? Yesish, for svv of "habits" Do either of them have any relevant pets? No

Did they live in an apartment building? Yes
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Could he hear her entering her apartment? Did he know the regular time she got home?
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Could he hear her entering her apartment? Did he know the regular time she got home? No to both
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When he made the statement, was Mrs. Greenwood in her apartment? In the hallway? Did he hear a buzzer?
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When he made the statement, was Mrs. Greenwood in her apartment? Yes In the hallway? So no Did he hear a buzzer? No
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Could Mrs. Yorke have heard the same thing? Did she? Did Mrs. Greenwood make the sound herself? Or did she use something that made a sound? Turn on something? Turn off something? Does she live alone? Relevant? Relevant how old she is?
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Could Mrs. Yorke have heard the same thing? Yes Did she? Probably, but irrel. Did Mrs. Greenwood make the sound herself? No Or did she use something that made a sound? Turn on something? Turn off something? None of these Does she live alone? No Relevant? Yes Relevant how old she is? No
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Does Mrs Greenwood have any relevant pets?
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Does Mrs Greenwood have any relevant pets? No
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Was what Mr & Mrs Yorke are doing in their living room relevant? Are they watching TV? Does Mrs Greenwood do something that causes interference on the telly?
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Was what Mr & Mrs Yorke are doing in their living room relevant? No Are they watching TV? Irrel., assume no Does Mrs Greenwood do something that causes interference on the telly? No, but nice lateral thought!
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Did the person(s) she live with: Make a sound? Stop making a sound? Use something that made a sound? Turn on something? Turn off something? Is that person HAM? Relevant?
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Relevant how much time was she away? Where she went? Where she came from? Did she live with one person? More? Relevant?
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Did the person(s) she live with: Make a sound? Yes Stop making a sound? So no Use something that made a sound? Yes Turn on something? Turn off something? No to rest Is that person HAM? Yes, it's her husband. Relevant? He is relevant to the puzzle, but it's not relevant that he is HAM

Relevant how much time was she away? Where she went? Where she came from? No to all Did she live with one person? Yes More? Irrel., assume no Relevant? One (his husband) is relevant
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The thing he used to make a sound: Is it commonly found in ordinary households? An electrical appliance? (cofee grinder? washing machine? radio? TV set? drilling machine?) A musical instrument? Does he make this noise ordinarily when his wife arrives home? Is Mrs Yorke of any relevance to the puzzle?
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The thing he used to make a sound: Is it commonly found in ordinary households? Yope An electrical appliance? No (cofee grinder? washing machine? radio? TV set? drilling machine?) So no to all these A musical instrument? Yes! Does he make this noise ordinarily when his wife arrives home? No Is Mrs Yorke of any relevance to the puzzle? No
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Musical instrument: strings? (bowed? plucked?) wind? (brass? woodwind?) percussion? piano? other? was it played on purpose? or accidentally? as a signal of some sort?
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Is it a guitar?
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Musical instrument: strings? (bowed? plucked?) wind? (brass? woodwind?) percussion? piano? other?

Is it a guitar?

I'll group these questions and simply answer: it's a piano

was it played on purpose? Yes or accidentally? So no as a signal of some sort? No
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Was the husband playing the piano? Was Mrs. Greenwood? Could the husband play the piano? Could Mrs. Greenwood? Did Mr. Yorke hear the piano playing?
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Was the husband playing the piano? Yes Was Mrs. Greenwood? No Could the husband play the piano? Yes Could Mrs. Greenwood? Probably yes, slightly relevant Did Mr. Yorke hear the piano playing? Yes
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Did the husband only play piano when Mrs. Greenwood was at home? Was not at home?

Theory: He only plays when she's not at home, and Mr. Yorke heard the piano playing stop, so he knew Mrs. Greenwood must have arrived. Is this correct? Are any parts of it correct?
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Theory: Mr. Greenwood wants to impress his wife with the new piece he learned, so he plays it when she comes home. Mr. Yorke knows because Mr. Greenwood told him. Please indicate any correct/incorrect parts.
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Did the husband only play piano when Mrs. Greenwood was at home? Was not at home? No to both

Theory: He only plays when she's not at home, and Mr. Yorke heard the piano playing stop, so he knew Mrs. Greenwood must have arrived. Is this correct? Are any parts of it correct? None

Theory: Mr. Greenwood wants to impress his wife with the new piece he learned, so he plays it when she comes home. Mr. Yorke knows because Mr. Greenwood told him. Please indicate any correct/incorrect parts. Nothing is really correct, but as a hint I'll say that the piece he was playing is very relevant to the puzzle
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Is there an element of sarcasm in what Mr Greenwood plays e.g. does he play something like "Hail to the Chief" on her arrival?

Is Mr Greenwood a particularly good piano player? relevant?

One other theory-- Mr Greenwood has arthritis and part of his therapy is to excercise his fingers by playing piano. He hates doing this but his wife insists so when she arrives home he immediately starts to play to convince her he's been exercising while she was out? Bit farfetched I know.
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Is there an element of sarcasm in what Mr Greenwood plays e.g. does he play something like "Hail to the Chief" on her arrival? Ha ha no, none of this :-)

Is Mr Greenwood a particularly good piano player? Assume yes relevant? Indirectly yes

One other theory-- Mr Greenwood has arthritis and part of his therapy is to excercise his fingers by playing piano. He hates doing this but his wife insists so when she arrives home he immediately starts to play to convince her he's been exercising while she was out? Bit farfetched I know. Again, nice long-shot, but no.

I'm gonna tell you, the answer is indeed a quite lateral difficult-to-spot one, so my advice is to approach it methodically, step by step
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Ok step by step it is.

Does Mrs Greenwood like the piece that he plays? Is it classical? jazz? pop? rock? other?

Are Mr & Mrs Greenwood's ages relvant?

Is Mr Yorke aware that the piano playing means Mrs Greenwood has arrived home because Mr Greenwood told him about it? Mrs Greenwood? Mrs Yorke? Or does he just come to suspect this over time?
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You said that he (Mr. Greenwood) does not do this ordinarily when his wife comes home. If so, did something happen before that elicited his reaction? If so, it involved him? Mr. Yorke? His wife? Even if he does not do this ordinarily, he does it from time to time? Anniversary relevant? Did he play the same tune before? Just to get it out of my head -- are all three persons alive or some ghost story is involved? Is anyone else relevant besides the three we know?
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Just another thought- Is Mrs Greenwood's name relevant? Does he play a song that mentions her name in the title?
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Ok step by step it is.

Does Mrs Greenwood like the piece that he plays? irrel. Is it classical? This, very probably jazz? pop? rock? other? Could be jazz, but assume it's classical, no to rest

Are Mr & Mrs Greenwood's ages relvant? No

Is Mr Yorke aware that the piano playing means Mrs Greenwood has arrived home because Mr Greenwood told him about it? Mrs Greenwood? Mrs Yorke? No to all Or does he just come to suspect this over time? Yesish, but there may be a FA lurking here...

You said that he (Mr. Greenwood) does not do this ordinarily when his wife comes home. No, I said that he does not play the piano only if his wife is home If so, did something happen before that elicited his reaction? If so, it involved him? Mr. Yorke? His wife? No, nothing special happened Even if he does not do this ordinarily, he does it from time to time? He actually plays piano ordinarily, sorry for misunderstanding Anniversary relevant? No Did he play the same tune before? Probably yes, irrel. Just to get it out of my head -- are all three persons alive or some ghost story is involved? No, everyone alive, and the story is quite ordinary Is anyone else relevant besides the three we know? No

Just another thought- Is Mrs Greenwood's name relevant? Does he play a song that mentions her name in the title? No :-) Now that you found that a piano is involved I can say it, it's just a wink to Radiohead musicians Thom Yorke and Jonny Greenwood, who both play the piano, but the relevance of their names stops here.
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My word this is tough.

Are there any relevant occupations? crimes? other hobbies apart from piano playing? disabilities?

Is Mr Greenwood trying to make a point with the piece he plays? Is the state of the Greenwood's relationship relevant?
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My word this is tough. That's why you like LTPF, don't you? ;-)

Are there any relevant occupations? crimes? other hobbies apart from piano playing? disabilities? No to all

Is Mr Greenwood trying to make a point with the piece he plays? Is the state of the Greenwood's relationship relevant? Again, no to both
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Just a short recap: Mr. Yorke is in his living room. At some point he hears his neighbour, Mr. Greenwood, starting to play the piano and somehow concludes that Mrs. Greenwood just came home. Mr. Greenwood often plays the piano, with or without his wife inside. Correct? Has Mr. Yorke, in this particular situation, has any other information that enables him to deduce that Mrs. Greenwood came home? Did he know she was out? Is something that Mrs. Greenwood does when coming home or when being there that somewhat alters the sound of the piano? Like shutting a door, closing the windows so the sound is not heard so clear any more? Is my assumption from the recap correct: Mr. Greenwood starts to play when she comes home, or is it in the process of playing and simply something changes in the quality of the sound?
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Just a short recap: Always wise
Mr. Yorke is in his living room. At some point he hears his neighbour, Mr. Greenwood, starting to play the piano and somehow concludes that Mrs. Greenwood just came home. Not literally true. He concludes that while he plays the piano, not when he starts to. Mr. Greenwood often plays the piano, with or without his wife inside. Correct? Correct Has Mr. Yorke, in this particular situation, has any other information that enables him to deduce that Mrs. Greenwood came home? Yes. It's the main point of the puzzle, btw... Did he know she was out? Assume yes, irrel. Is something that Mrs. Greenwood does when coming home or when being there that somewhat alters the sound of the piano? Like shutting a door, closing the windows so the sound is not heard so clear any more? No to all Is my assumption from the recap correct: Mr. Greenwood starts to play when she comes home, Again, irrelevant when he starts to play or is it in the process of playing and simply something changes in the quality of the sound? No, nothing changes

I gave a hint few posts before, try to take benefit from it! ;-)
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Does he change from one style of music to another upon her arrival? Change volume? Change keys? Change tempo? Change songs?
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Does he change from one style of music to another upon her arrival? Change volume? Change keys? Change tempo? Change songs? No to all
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Does anything change about the piano playing from before Mrs. Greenwood arrives to after? Does Mr. Greenwood stop playing when she arrives? Before she arrives?
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Does anything change about the piano playing from before Mrs. Greenwood arrives to after? Does Mr. Greenwood stop playing when she arrives? Before she arrives? No to all, again...
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Does Mrs. Greenwood join in the piano playing? Does she make a relevant sound?
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Does Mrs. Greenwood join in the piano playing? No with a tiny tiny -ish, but now you're OTRT! Does she make a relevant sound? No
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Does she cause anything about the piano playing to change? Does she put on a recording of music for her husband to play along to?
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Does she cause anything about the piano playing to change? No but... Does she put on a recording of music for her husband to play along to? No
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Is the relevant noise that Mr. Yorke hears related at all to the piano? Is it the piano?
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Is the relevant noise that Mr. Yorke hears related at all to the piano? Is it the piano? It is only the piano, nothing else
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Is a certain part in the piano playing reached? Does Mr. Greenwood play a certain piece when his wife gets home? Or does his wife get home at about the time Mr. Greenwood plays a certain piece? Or neither of those?
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Is a certain part in the piano playing reached? Could you please rephrase? Does Mr. Greenwood play a certain piece when his wife gets home? Or does his wife get home at about the time Mr. Greenwood plays a certain piece? Or neither of those? As you say, neither of those
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Ignore the first question in my last post; the later ones proved it incorrect.

Does any aspect of the piano playing change at all over the course of the puzzle? When Mrs. Greenwood gets home?
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Ignore the first question in my last post; the later ones proved it incorrect. Ok

Does any aspect of the piano playing change at all over the course of the puzzle? When Mrs. Greenwood gets home? No.

I'll repost my hint as it seems you don't find the right track: focus on the played piece
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He plays a classical piece? Is he practicing for a recital? Is he an instructor? Is he recording what he is playing? Does the tempo of the piece he is playing change when his wife comes home?

To clarify - is there anything about the way the piano itself sounds that differs when Mrs. Greenwood comes home?

Do the Greenwoods live above the Yorkes? Next to them? Below them? In the same building?
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Posted on Tuesday, September 07, 2010 - 9:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The played piece is classical, right? Relevant the composer? If so, Bach? Mozart? Beethoven?
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I have an idea but will wait for the next post from the host...
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He plays a classical piece? Assume yes Is he practicing for a recital? Is he an instructor? Is he recording what he is playing? Does the tempo of the piece he is playing change when his wife comes home? No to rest

To clarify - is there anything about the way the piano itself sounds that differs when Mrs. Greenwood comes home? No

Do the Greenwoods live above the Yorkes? Next to them? Below them? Irrel. In the same building? Yes

he played piece is classical, right? As I said, assume yes Relevant the composer? No If so, Bach? Mozart? Beethoven? Irrel.
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Posted on Tuesday, September 07, 2010 - 9:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is Mr. Greenwood either blind or deaf?
What about Mrs. Greenwood?
At any point before, during, or after Mrs. Greenwood enters her apartment does the volume of the piano music change from the perspective of the Yorkes?
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Is there a quality about the musical piece that is relevant? Like the rhytm? Speed? Does he play the piece as it is meant to be played?
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Is Mr. Greenwood either blind or deaf?
What about Mrs. Greenwood? No to both
At any point before, during, or after Mrs. Greenwood enters her apartment does the volume of the piano music change from the perspective of the Yorkes? No

Is there a quality about the musical piece that is relevant? Yes, for svv of "quality"... Like the rhytm? Speed? ...But not these Does he play the piece as it is meant to be played? Yes
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Perhaps Mrs Greenwood's name is (say) Becca, and he plays out her theme in musical notes? Or something along those lines?

Is it a player piano? And he switches to the rolls when she comes in?

Is he playing "their" song?

Does he apply any relevant pedal when she comes home? Do they play a duet?
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Can we assume that Mr. Greenwood only plays this 1 piece of music on this day? Or has he played other pieces prior to this one on this day? Will he play other pieces after this one?
Does Mrs. Greenwood know how to play a piano? If so, can she play it well? Not very well? At a level below what Mr. Greenwood can do? Above his level?
Does Mrs. G begin to sing along with the piano music? Hum along? Tap out a rhythm on some object? Begin to dance?
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Perhaps Mrs Greenwood's name is (say) Becca, and he plays out her theme in musical notes? Or something along those lines? None of this

Is it a player piano? No And he switches to the rolls when she comes in? So no

Is he playing "their" song? No

Does he apply any relevant pedal when she comes home? No Do they play a duet? No but...

Can we assume that Mr. Greenwood only plays this 1 piece of music on this day? No Or has he played other pieces prior to this one on this day? Yes Will he play other pieces after this one? Irrel.
Does Mrs. Greenwood know how to play a piano? Probably yes If so, can she play it well? Probably Not very well? At a level below what Mr. Greenwood can do? Above his level? Irrel.
Does Mrs. G begin to sing along with the piano music? Hum along? Tap out a rhythm on some object? Begin to dance? No to all
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When she enters the room, does he change his tempo? Dynamics? Key/pitch? Does he sing along? Does she do anything relevant when he plays?

Does he play the wonderful Brahms transcription of Bach's Chaconne in D minor for left hand only? So that his right hand is free to fondle his spouse?
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Is the volume at which he plays relevant?

Was Mrs. Greenwood just returning home? or has she been home for some time when Mr. York says she is back home?
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When she enters the room, does he change his tempo? Dynamics? Key/pitch? Does he sing along? No to all these Does she do anything relevant when he plays? Yes, she does

Does he play the wonderful Brahms transcription of Bach's Chaconne in D minor for left hand only? So that his right hand is free to fondle his spouse? Ha ha I didn't even know about this transcription, but no, nothing like this :-)

Is the volume at which he plays relevant? No

Was Mrs. Greenwood just returning home? or has she been home for some time when Mr. York says she is back home? This, very likely
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Does Mrs. Greenwood join in the playing? Sing along?
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Does Mrs. Greenwood join in the playing? Not literally, but... Sing along? No
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Does she dance? Mime? Is she his page turner? So it's clear she's there when there isn't an embarrassing pause between bars 23 and 24?

Long shot: is it a prepared piano?
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Does she dance? Mime? Is she his page turner? YES! So it's clear she's there when there isn't an embarrassing pause between bars 23 and 24? Exactly so!

Long shot: is it a prepared piano? Don't know what a prepared piano is, but anyway given the previous question it's time for

******************* SPOILER ******************

Mr. Yorke hears his neighbour, Mr. Greenwood, playing the piano. He recognizes the piece being played, and he knows it's a quite long and difficult one, so that in order to play it Mr. Greenwood needs someone turning the score pages at the right moment. Hence he deduces Mrs. Greenwood must be back home, otherwise his husband could not be playing that piece in the proper way.

Thanks everybody for playing, and congrats to Woodworm who came with the right idea at the end!
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Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2010 - 4:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Great puzzle!

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