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He was humble. Therefore, he was welcome
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Did this occur in the 15th century? If not, is the time period relevant, and if so, LTPF list of centuries?

He1=He2? H/A/M?

Is this a true story? Fiction? FYOI? Location relevant (LTPF list of countries)?

Other people relevant? If so, was it they who welcomed him?

Was he a religious figure? Anything to do with some biblical verse along the lines of "All who come here in humility are welcome?"

Would someone arrogant, rich or otherwise obviously not humble be welcome? Unwelcome?
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Did this occur in the 15th century? No If not, is the time period relevant, To a certain extent and if so, LTPF list of centuries? 20th

He1=He2? H/A/M? Yes to all

Is this a true story? Yes Fiction? FYOI? Location relevant (LTPF list of countries)? Romania, lateralish relevant

Other people relevant? Yesish If so, was it they who welcomed him? I'd say so

Was he a religious figure? Yes Anything to do with some biblical verse along the lines of "All who come here in humility are welcome?" Not this, however

Would someone arrogant, No rich Irr or otherwise obviously not humble Possibly be welcome? Unwelcome? See above
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Anything to do with vampires?

Was he welcomed into a place? Inside? Outside? A gathering? By one person? More than one? Are they H/A/M?

Was he a well-known religious figure? A saint? A generic religious figure, like a priest or monk? Christian? Jewish? Muslim? Was he welcomed by members of another faith, or his own?
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Anything to do with vampires? Nothing to do with that

Was he welcomed into a place? Inside? Outside? I don't remember exacly, but I think was outside A gathering? This... By one person? More than one? ... and this Are they H/A/M? Mixed as for the A and M, all humans

Was he a well-known religious figure? We all at least heard of him A saint? Yope A generic religious figure, like a priest or monk? Not generic, but a priest, among others Christian? This one Jewish? Muslim? Was he welcomed by members of another faith, Yope or his own? Again a yope. Very good questions
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Was he welcomed by members of another country? Was he a missionary?
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Was he welcomed by members of another country? Yes Was he a missionary? But no
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Was he welcomed by members of a different denomination? Were they gathered specifically to meet him? Was he trying to convert people? Discuss something relevant, like at a conference? Does humility in this context refer to the non-presence of weapons?

Yope to saint -- someone Blessed or otherwise beatified? Venerable?
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Was he welcomed by members of a different denomination? Exactly Were they gathered specifically to meet him? Also true Was he trying to convert people? Not at all Discuss something relevant, like at a conference? I am not sure what you mean. It was not a conference Does humility in this context refer to the non-presence of weapons? No, no weapons involved

Yope to saint -- someone Blessed or otherwise beatified? This one, AFAIK Venerable?

We are progressing quickly here
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Was he Catholic? Were the ones who welcomed him Catholic? Was he the Pope?
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Was he Catholic? Yes Were the ones who welcomed him Catholic? Not in the relevant part Was he the Pope? And indeed he was the Pope. Another round of good questions.
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Was his intention to bring people together? Drive them apart? Were all the people at the gathering of the same denomination? May I ask for the LTPF list of Christian denominations involved?

Had the gathering asked him to come? Asked for someone, but not him specifically? Was he Romanian? Were they? Relevant? Were they pleased to see him? Was he pleased to see them? Was he acting as a judge? Was he arguing on behalf of something/someone?
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Was his intention to bring people together? Drive them apart? Were all the people at the gathering of the same denomination? No to all, so far May I ask for the LTPF list of Christian denominations involved? Certainly. Catholic and Orthodox. The title is also relevant, to a certain degree

Had the gathering asked him to come? Yope Asked for someone, but not him specifically? No Was he Romanian? No Pope has ever been Romanian Were they? Yes, in the vast majority Relevant? Only as far as their religion is involved Were they pleased to see him? Yesish, but the 'humble' attitude was helping Was he pleased to see them? I believe so Was he acting as a judge? Was he arguing on behalf of something/someone? Nothing of this sort
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Was he coming to bless a cathedral? Hagia Sophia relevant?
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Was he coming to bless a cathedral? No, or irr. Hagia Sophia relevant? Relevant for the Orthodoxy, but not at all for this puzzle
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Was the head of the Orthodox church also there?
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Was the head of the Orthodox church also there? Of the Romanian Orthodox church, I believe so. The Orthodox church as a whole does not have a person presiding. But whether the Patriarch was there or not is entirely irrelevant. The Pope and the people were the relevant entities.
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Was there a controversy going on at the time? (not unlike today) Did the Pope try to resolve that controversy?
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Was there a controversy going on at the time? (not unlike today) Did the Pope try to resolve that controversy? It was a controversy, and still is. But proceed carefully -- for the svv of 'controversy' and svv of 'resolve'

We are almost there
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Was the Pope humbly and peacefully meeting with Orthodox Christians in a way that had not happened since the 15th century?
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15th century was the start of the Protestant Reformation...was the Pope trying to unite the Catholic/Orthodox churches? Trying to reach out to the Orthodox people despite their different beliefs?
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Was the Pope humbly and peacefully meeting with Orthodox Christians in a way that had not happened since the 15th century? He was indeed. But I made a mess of the title, writing 15th instead of 11th. Anyway, now is not relevant any more. Remaining to solve: how he manifested this humility?

15th century was the start of the Protestant Reformation...was the Pope trying to unite the Catholic/Orthodox churches? Catholic and Orthodox split in 1054. thinking of the fall of Constantinople -- the head of Orthodoxy, I misplaced the centuries. But see above, no longer relevant Trying to reach out to the Orthodox people despite their different beliefs? But THIS is very OTRT

Short recap: The pope visits Romania in the 20th century. He is a foreigner and a Catholic, while the people waiting for him are in the vast majority Orthodox. The first such encounter from 1054 onwards. He manages to perform a gesture of high humility, easily understood by the people, who in various (but not relevant) ways welcome him
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Did he take his hat off? Show reverence to the Orthodox patriarch? Bow?
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Does he make an Orthodox religious gesture? Bow or otherwise show respect to the people he visits?
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Did he take his hat off? Show reverence to the Orthodox patriarch? Bow? Does he make an Orthodox religious gesture? Bow or otherwise show respect to the people he visits? The latter of these. Is it something he says, not something he does
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Does he refer to their faith? Their history? In a respectful fashion? Deprecating his own in some way? Equating the two?

I do vaguely remember this incident, but I won't google it.
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Does he refer to their faith? Yesish to yope Their history? Same







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The pope was humble in this instance. We only need to find out how, and a deserved $poiler will come

I do vaguely remember this incident, but I won't google it. Please do if it helps. As far as I'm concerned, googling is beneficial. My favourite teacher in college allowed every possible reference book in every exam. It was to no avail, however
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OK then...

(Googlegooglegoogle)...

Well, if it's something he said, it can't be that he and the Orthodox patriarch attended each other's services...?
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OK then...

(Googlegooglegoogle)...

Well, if it's something he said, it can't be that he and the Orthodox patriarch attended each other's services...? They did celebrated the mass together but this puzzle is about a different aspect, not involving at all the Patriarch or any other Orthodox religious authorities
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Did he compliment the people? Their faith? The Orthodox faith?
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Did he compliment the people? Their faith? The Orthodox faith? No or noish to all. Relevant here is only his humility -- expressed by words. Orthodox belief is only laterally relevant. How could a Pope express his humility?
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Did he somehow lower himself (figuratively) from his position? Consider himself equal with the masses?
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Did he somehow lower himself (figuratively) from his position? Yope Consider himself equal with the masses? Certainly not this
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The thing he said...did it mention Catholicism? Orthodoxy?
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The thing he said...did it mention Catholicism? Orthodoxy? Neither. He made however a reference to his 'job'
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Did he mention that he was the head of the Catholic church? But not of the Orthodox church?
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Did he mention that he was the head of the Catholic church? But not of the Orthodox church? Neither, with a tiny ish
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Did he mention that they were both Christian denominations? So they shared a common belief?
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Did he compare the two faiths? Contrast them? Equate them? Act as though they were the same? Did he state an objective fact? Appear to have changed his mind about an issue? Appear to represent a changed stance by the Catholic Church?

Anything to do with what he was wearing or carrying? Something unusual? Something new? Left behind? Deliberately removed or perhaps traded with the Orthodox cleric?
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Did he mention that they were both Christian denominations? So they shared a common belief?

Did he compare the two faiths? Contrast them? Equate them? Act as though they were the same? Did he state an objective fact? This, no to others Appear to have changed his mind about an issue? Appear to represent a changed stance by the Catholic Church?

Anything to do with what he was wearing or carrying? Something unusual? Something new? Left behind? Deliberately removed or perhaps traded with the Orthodox cleric?
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Did he say "I am not head over you" because he's only head of the Catholic church?
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Did he say "I am not head over you" because he's only head of the Catholic church? This was his general intention, but he said it in a subtle manner. I will let the puzzle unspoyled for now, in case anyone is interested in how he put it
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Something like "[Patriarch] is head over you"? "In this church, [Patriarch] is head over you and me"? "My hat is totally awesome"? (Although I kinda doubt that last one... =) )
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Something like "[Patriarch] is head over you"? "In this church, [Patriarch] is head over you and me"? "My hat is totally awesome"? (Although I kinda doubt that last one... =) ) Hehe, no to all (and especially the last)
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Did he mention himself? The patriarch? The Orthodox people? The Catholic people? "I am head over [Catholics], not you"?
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Did he mention himself? YES. No to rest The patriarch? The Orthodox people? The Catholic people? "I am head over [Catholics], not you"?
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"I am not your leader"? "I am not the leader of the Orthodox church"?
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"I am not your leader"? "I am not the leader of the Orthodox church"? Both were implied, but he made an affirmation rather than a negation. Along the lines of 'I am X' rather than 'I am not Y'
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"I am head of the Catholic church"? "I am head over some (but not all)"?
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I am head of the Catholic church"? "I am head over some (but not all)"? No. He used a title of his, other than that of a Pope. Even if this might seem a technicality, it is of paramount importance as long as the catholic - orthodox relations are involved, and might be fun to discover it in a puzzle. Googling of course is permitted, as always
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Did he refer to himself as a cardinal?
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Did he refer to himself as a cardinal? Even less. We're approaching a $poiler here
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As a Catholic? A servant of God?
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As a Catholic? A servant of God? No to both. You should think more literally
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As a Christian?
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No. He was referring to himself through a different title
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Let's put this out of its misery...

******* SPOILER *******

When the Pope visited Romania in 1999 ... the first such act since 1054, he used a very subtle way of presenting himself to the Orthodox crowd (I was a piece of that too). He did not say the he was the Pope, but rather that he was the Bishop of Rome. Incidentally, to us the Pope means next to nothing, whereas the Bishop of Rome is an extremely powerful title. He died afterwards. We all wept -- for the Bishop of Rome.

Thanks to all who participated
Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Monday, September 27, 2010 - 11:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Wow - I did not know that story, nor the power of the title Bishop of Rome. Nice puzzle!
Rbruma (Rbruma)
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Posted on Tuesday, September 28, 2010 - 8:13 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Wow - I did not know that story, nor the power of the title Bishop of Rome. The power stems from the fact that this title predates the split from 1054 and arguably goes back to the first Christians and to St. Peter himself. As a Bishop of Rome, he is -- traditionally - higher than the Romanian (or Russian, or Bulgarian, or whatever) Patriarch, only equal to the traditional other 3 Patriarchs - those in Antiohia, Alexandria and Jerusalem. As a Pope, he is head of the Catholic Church and to an Orthodox this means next to nothing. By saying 'Thank you for welcoming amongst you the Bishop of Rome' (that was the phrase), he used a lesser title, looking from one perspective, and in this respect he was humble. But his intention was -- and briliantly succeeded -- to say: 'I am the boss' Nice puzzle! Thanks. Another one is awaiting

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