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Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo
Post Number: 4077 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, October 30, 2010 - 12:27 pm: |      |
He died. She got out of prison. |
Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma
Post Number: 897 Registered: 9-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, October 30, 2010 - 2:02 pm: |      |
He = H? A? M? She = H? A? F? War relevant? Was he in the military? Did he die of natural causes? In combat? Crashing with a plane? Relevant why she was in prison? Was she a POW? Their nationality relevant? True story? If so, please [LTPF list of centuries] Is she known to him? If so: acquaintance? friend? co-worker? relative? Did she get out of prison as a consequence of his death? Were they enemies? Title relevant? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo
Post Number: 4078 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, October 30, 2010 - 2:18 pm: |      |
He = H? A? M? Yes. She = H? A? F? Yes. War relevant? No. Was he in the military? No. Did he die of natural causes? No. In combat? No. Crashing with a plane? No. Relevant why she was in prison? Yes. Was she a POW? No. Their nationality relevant? Yes. True story? Yes. If so, please [LTPF list of centuries] 20th. Is she known to him? No. If so: acquaintance? friend? co-worker? relative? Did she get out of prison as a consequence of his death? Yes. Were they enemies? No. Title relevant? Mildly. |
Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato
Post Number: 160 Registered: 7-2010
| | Posted on Saturday, October 30, 2010 - 2:45 pm: |      |
Was she his wife? Girlfriend? Lover? Friend? Sister? Other kind of relative? Someone to care for him, such as a nurse? Was she responsible for his death? Was it an accident? Did she kill him? Or had someone else kill him? Was he shot? Poisoned? Drowned? Suffocated? Hanged? Did he bleed to death? Did he fall off something high? Was he ill? Did she kill him to do him a favor? |
Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato
Post Number: 161 Registered: 7-2010
| | Posted on Saturday, October 30, 2010 - 2:47 pm: |      |
EDIT: Strike my questions, I totally misread the first post... #o_o# |
Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin
Post Number: 7778 Registered: 4-2010
| | Posted on Saturday, October 30, 2010 - 4:30 pm: |      |
Did she get out of prison immediately after his death? A short time after? A while after? Did she get out by escaping? Being released? Being pardoned? Had she been in prison for murder? Attempted murder? Kidnapping? Robbery? Armed robbery? Treason? A crime that would be considered "extreme"? Was he murdered? By her? Did he die accidentally? Executed? Suicide? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo
Post Number: 4079 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, October 31, 2010 - 4:06 am: |      |
Was she responsible for his death? No. Was it an accident? Probably. Did she kill him? Or had someone else kill him? Was he shot? Poisoned? Drowned? Suffocated? Hanged? Did he bleed to death? Did he fall off something high? This. Was he ill? Did she kill him to do him a favor? Did she get out of prison immediately after his death? A short time after? A while after? This -- weeks or months. Did she get out by escaping? Being released? This. Being pardoned? Had she been in prison for murder? This. Attempted murder? Kidnapping? Robbery? Armed robbery? Treason? A crime that would be considered "extreme"? Hmm... maybe. Was he murdered? By her? Did he die accidentally? Probably, assume yes. Executed? Suicide? Slight possibility, I suppose. Irrelevant. |
Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin
Post Number: 7792 Registered: 4-2010
| | Posted on Sunday, October 31, 2010 - 11:01 am: |      |
Had she committed the crime she was in prison for? Had she been arrested for murdering him? And his actual manner of death showed that she could not have done so? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo
Post Number: 4081 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, October 31, 2010 - 11:18 pm: |      |
Had she committed the crime she was in prison for? No. Had she been arrested for murdering him? No. And his actual manner of death showed that she could not have done so? |
Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin
Post Number: 7808 Registered: 4-2010
| | Posted on Sunday, October 31, 2010 - 11:29 pm: |      |
Had she been framed for murder? Convicted on insufficient evidence? Faulty evidence? Forged evidence? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo
Post Number: 4082 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Monday, November 01, 2010 - 12:19 am: |      |
Had she been framed for murder? Convicted on insufficient evidence? Some of this. Faulty evidence? And some of this. Forged evidence? |
Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma
Post Number: 903 Registered: 9-2009
| | Posted on Monday, November 01, 2010 - 11:33 am: |      |
The victim of her alleged crime: Was it a H? A? M? Assuming (H-A-M) for this line of questioning: is it relevant how he died? Did he die accidentally? Was he murdered (but not by the woman in prison)? Did he die also by falling? Did he die in the same place our hero died? Did our hero's death help her prove her innocence? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo
Post Number: 4083 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Monday, November 01, 2010 - 11:59 pm: |      |
The victim of her alleged crime: Was it a H? Yes. A? No. M? No. Assuming (H-A-M) for this line of questioning: is it relevant how he died? Yes. Did he die accidentally? Yesish. Was he murdered (but not by the woman in prison)? No. Did he die also by falling? No. Did he die in the same place our hero died? Same general area. Did our hero's death help her prove her innocence? Yes. |
Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin
Post Number: 1201 Registered: 9-2010
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 02, 2010 - 12:01 am: |      |
So a human, but not an adult or a male. A teenage girl? A little girl? |
Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin
Post Number: 7852 Registered: 4-2010
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 02, 2010 - 12:03 am: |      |
Was the victim a child? Baby? Female? Did the victim die by blunt force? Sharp force? Bleeding out? Drowning? Organ failure? Poisoning? Electrocution? Drug overdose? Asphyxiation? Strangulation? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo
Post Number: 4084 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 02, 2010 - 1:49 am: |      |
Was the victim a child? Baby? This. Female? This. Did the victim die by blunt force? Likely this. Sharp force? But possibly this. Bleeding out? And this. Drowning? Organ failure? Poisoning? Electrocution? Drug overdose? Asphyxiation? Strangulation? |
Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin
Post Number: 7873 Registered: 4-2010
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 02, 2010 - 3:00 am: |      |
Did the baby die from being shaken? Hit on the head? By a falling object? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo
Post Number: 4086 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 02, 2010 - 3:23 am: |      |
Did the baby die from being shaken? Probably. Hit on the head? By a falling object? |
Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin
Post Number: 7888 Registered: 4-2010
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 02, 2010 - 1:11 pm: |      |
The baby - was it the daughter of the woman in prison? Biological? Adopted? Wild thought (though I doubt it will lead anywhere): Is this related to the case just now where a woman shook and killed her baby in order to keep playing Farmville? |
Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin
Post Number: 1219 Registered: 9-2010
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 02, 2010 - 2:11 pm: |      |
Balin! Please tell me that's a joke. Even if it is, that's horrible. *jaw drops* I can't believe anyone would do that... |
Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin
Post Number: 7900 Registered: 4-2010
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 02, 2010 - 2:14 pm: |      |
Sadly, no joke. |
Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin
Post Number: 1221 Registered: 9-2010
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 02, 2010 - 2:37 pm: |      |
Dear God...this is when I start to lose faith in the human race. x.x Facebook is ignorable. I should know. |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo
Post Number: 4091 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 02, 2010 - 8:55 pm: |      |
The baby - was it the daughter of the woman in prison? Yes. Biological? This. Adopted? Wild thought (though I doubt it will lead anywhere): Is this related to the case just now where a woman shook and killed her baby in order to keep playing Farmville? Thankfully, no. While checking this out, BTW, I read of an incident in Korea where a couple let their infant starve to death while they tried to raise a virtual infant on their computer... brrr. |
Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin
Post Number: 7961 Registered: 4-2010
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 02, 2010 - 8:58 pm: |      |
Brrr indeed - I just got chills from reading that. Was the baby killed by another person? But accidentally? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo
Post Number: 4093 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 02, 2010 - 10:14 pm: |      |
Was the baby killed by another person? No. But accidentally? Yope. |
Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin
Post Number: 7971 Registered: 4-2010
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 03, 2010 - 3:10 am: |      |
Was the woman present when the baby died? Was she negligent? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo
Post Number: 4095 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 03, 2010 - 11:00 am: |      |
Was the woman present when the baby died? Technically this is unknown. Was she negligent? Hard to answer - call it Yope. |
Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin
Post Number: 7982 Registered: 4-2010
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 03, 2010 - 12:06 pm: |      |
Were any others present when the baby died? If so, H? A? M? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo
Post Number: 4097 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 03, 2010 - 12:19 pm: |      |
Were any others present when the baby died? With the woman, yes. If so, H? A? M? A variety - men, women and children. |
Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin
Post Number: 7990 Registered: 4-2010
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 03, 2010 - 3:22 pm: |      |
Was "he" present when the baby died? Relevant? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo
Post Number: 4099 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, November 04, 2010 - 1:03 am: |      |
Was "he" present when the baby died? No. Relevant? No. |
Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin
Post Number: 8051 Registered: 4-2010
| | Posted on Thursday, November 04, 2010 - 2:41 am: |      |
Relevant what the man fell from? A building? Bridge? Tower? Cliff? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo
Post Number: 4100 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, November 04, 2010 - 2:50 am: |      |
Relevant what the man fell from? Yes. A building? Bridge? Tower? Cliff? This. |
Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin
Post Number: 8055 Registered: 4-2010
| | Posted on Thursday, November 04, 2010 - 11:10 am: |      |
Did he fall into the sea? Onto rocks? Into a river? Relevant when his body was found? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo
Post Number: 4101 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, November 04, 2010 - 8:57 pm: |      |
Did he fall into the sea? Onto rocks? This. Into a river? Relevant when his body was found? In a sense. |
Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin
Post Number: 8101 Registered: 4-2010
| | Posted on Thursday, November 04, 2010 - 9:23 pm: |      |
Was his body found shortly after his death? A long time after? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo
Post Number: 4102 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Friday, November 05, 2010 - 1:53 am: |      |
Was his body found shortly after his death? Days or weeks. A long time after? |
Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin
Post Number: 8118 Registered: 4-2010
| | Posted on Friday, November 05, 2010 - 3:23 am: |      |
Was the woman freed shortly after the body was found? A long time after? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo
Post Number: 4103 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Friday, November 05, 2010 - 3:50 am: |      |
Was the woman freed shortly after the body was found? This - again, days or weeks. A long time after? |
Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin
Post Number: 8124 Registered: 4-2010
| | Posted on Friday, November 05, 2010 - 3:26 pm: |      |
Did the body contain evidence showing she could not have murdered the baby? Is it relevant what happened to the baby's body after her death? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo
Post Number: 4104 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, November 06, 2010 - 12:23 am: |      |
Did the body contain evidence showing she could not have murdered the baby? No. Is it relevant what happened to the baby's body after her death? Yes. |
Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin
Post Number: 8156 Registered: 4-2010
| | Posted on Saturday, November 06, 2010 - 2:58 am: |      |
After death, was the baby's body cremated? Buried? Given an autopsy? Frozen? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo
Post Number: 4105 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, November 06, 2010 - 5:18 am: |      |
After death, was the baby's body cremated? Buried? Possibly, but unlikely. Given an autopsy? Frozen? None of the others. |
Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin
Post Number: 8163 Registered: 4-2010
| | Posted on Saturday, November 06, 2010 - 1:01 pm: |      |
Was it kept in storage? Put on display? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo
Post Number: 4106 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, November 06, 2010 - 1:39 pm: |      |
Was it kept in storage? Possibly, but again unlikely. Put on display? Definitely not. |
Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin
Post Number: 8169 Registered: 4-2010
| | Posted on Saturday, November 06, 2010 - 2:01 pm: |      |
Was the body preserved in any way? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo
Post Number: 4107 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, November 06, 2010 - 4:13 pm: |      |
Was the body preserved in any way? No. |
Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin
Post Number: 8184 Registered: 4-2010
| | Posted on Saturday, November 06, 2010 - 5:07 pm: |      |
Relevant how long the woman had been in prison? If so, for years? Months? Weeks? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo
Post Number: 4108 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, November 06, 2010 - 5:26 pm: |      |
Relevant how long the woman had been in prison? Not really. If so, for years? This. Months? Weeks? |
Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin
Post Number: 8420 Registered: 4-2010
| | Posted on Friday, November 12, 2010 - 1:21 am: |      |
Was there something in his will exonerating the woman? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo
Post Number: 4121 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Friday, November 12, 2010 - 2:43 am: |      |
Was there something in his will exonerating the woman? No. |
Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin
Post Number: 8441 Registered: 4-2010
| | Posted on Friday, November 12, 2010 - 1:18 pm: |      |
Is the man's will relevant? Did the woman have a lawyer? Was the man the woman's lawyer? Could you please recap? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo
Post Number: 4125 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Friday, November 12, 2010 - 9:52 pm: |      |
Is the man's will relevant? No. Did the woman have a lawyer? Irr. Was the man the woman's lawyer? No. Could you please recap? In this true story from the 20th century, a woman was convicted and imprisoned for the murder of her infant daughter. She had not killed her daughter, but it is possible to call her negligent. She was convicted on insufficient and faulty evidence. The child most likely died from blunt force or shaking. The mother (and others with her) was not technically present when the infant died. The child's body might have been buried, but was certainly not preserved. Several years later, a man unknown to the prisoner died accidentally, by falling from a cliff. Shortly afterward (months at most), the woman was released from prison. |
Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin
Post Number: 8455 Registered: 4-2010
| | Posted on Saturday, November 13, 2010 - 3:53 am: |      |
Was the child killed by someone physically shaking her? Was anyone technically present when the child died? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo
Post Number: 4129 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, November 13, 2010 - 4:14 am: |      |
Was the child killed by someone physically shaking her? Was anyone technically present when the child died? Yes to both, but look out for FAs! |
Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin
Post Number: 8461 Registered: 4-2010
| | Posted on Saturday, November 13, 2010 - 4:17 am: |      |
Person technically present - just one person? More than one? H? A? M? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo
Post Number: 4131 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, November 13, 2010 - 4:38 am: |      |
Person technically present - just one person? This. More than one? H? No. A? Yes. M? Irr. |
Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin
Post Number: 8465 Registered: 4-2010
| | Posted on Saturday, November 13, 2010 - 1:55 pm: |      |
Was it a pet? A wild animal? Did the animal kill the child? Hangonhangon - was this the Azaria Chamberlain/"dingo took my baby" case? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo
Post Number: 4132 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, November 13, 2010 - 2:27 pm: |      |
Was it a pet? A wild animal? This. Did the animal kill the child? Yes. Hangonhangon - was this the Azaria Chamberlain/"dingo took my baby" case? Yep. |
Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin
Post Number: 8472 Registered: 4-2010
| | Posted on Sunday, November 14, 2010 - 3:11 am: |      |
Did they find evidence proving her innocence because the man fell? At the point where the man fell? Where his body was found? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo
Post Number: 4134 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, November 14, 2010 - 4:26 am: |      |
Did they find evidence proving her innocence because the man fell? Yes. At the point where the man fell? Where his body was found? Yes. |
Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin
Post Number: 8477 Registered: 4-2010
| | Posted on Sunday, November 14, 2010 - 1:05 pm: |      |
Was it an article of clothing? A bone? Did the man fall into a dingo lair (or whatever the technical word for it is)? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo
Post Number: 4136 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, November 14, 2010 - 4:36 pm: |      |
Was it an article of clothing? Yes. A bone? Did the man fall into a dingo lair (or whatever the technical word for it is)? Yes. ********** SPOILER ********** This occurred in Australia, at Ayers Rock (AKA Uluru) in the 1980s. In 1982, infant Azaria Chamberlain was taken from her parents' tent by a dingo, a wild dog. Her mother Lindy was the only one who witnessed this, and enough questions were raised that Lindy was eventually accused of her daughter's murder. A mixture of hysteria and poor evidence-gathering led to her conviction. Lindy also insisted that her daughter had worn a particular jacket, which no one else at the campground remembered seeing. The jacket was never found, and this was partially responsible for Lindy's conviction. In 1986, a hiker fell off Ayer's Rock. His body was found a week later, in an area of dingoes' nests into which he had fallen. Nearby, the searchers found Azaria's jacket, soaked in blood. This newly discovered piece of evidence vindicated Lindy Chamberlain, and she was released. |