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Martinfg (Martinfg)
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Posted on Tuesday, November 30, 2010 - 11:16 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A group of business men planned to build a golf course in my local area. They bought the land, built the course and opened for business. However within 3 months they had only a handful of members and the course was so unprofitable they were forced to close it. The business men however did not really mind and made no attempts to improve membership or use of the course. How come?
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Did they really intend to use the land for some other purpose and the construction of the golf course got around some planning issues?

Was there any tax incentives to building the golf course? Did they gain financially from the closure of the golf course? Did they go on to use the land for some other purpose?

Any zoning issues? (not sure you use this terminology but in Ireland land is zoned for a particular use e.g. agricultural, housing, retail, industrial etc so only developments under the zoned description can be built on the particular piece of land)?

Was this a normal 18 hole golf course ? crazy golf? pitch n putt?
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Did they really intend to use the land for some other purpose and the construction of the golf course got around some planning issues? They intended at the outset to build a golf course

Was there any tax incentives to building the golf course? No Did they gain financially from the closure of the golf course? No Did they go on to use the land for some other purpose? No

Any zoning issues? (not sure you use this terminology but in Ireland land is zoned for a particular use e.g. agricultural, housing, retail, industrial etc so only developments under the zoned description can be built on the particular piece of land)? No not really they planned the course then found the land required

Was this a normal 18 hole golf course ? crazy golf? pitch n putt? A normal 18 hole golf course
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Was the course still used after it was closed? By the existing members?

Relevant who the existing members were?

After being closed, was the land still used as a golf course?

Did they sell the course? To someone else? Who wanted to use the land/course for another purpose?
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Was the course still used after it was closed? No By the existing members? No

Relevant who the existing members were? No

After being closed, was the land still used as a golf course? It is still a golf course but not being used by anyone

Did they sell the course? No they still currently own it To someone else? Who wanted to use the land/course for another purpose? So No
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Was this a form of protest? Did the businessmen hope to achieve some notoriety by doing this? Did they do this to thwart a rival? Did someone else have plans for the land and their buying it prevented this plan from being realised?
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Was this a form of protest? No Did the businessmen hope to achieve some notoriety by doing this? No Did they do this to thwart a rival? No Did someone else have plans for the land and their buying it prevented this plan from being realised? No
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Is some quality of the golf course relevant? Some quality of one of the holes?
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Is some quality of the golf course relevant? NoSome quality of one of the holes? No
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Was the building of the course an act of philanthropy? Were they compelled in some way to build the course?

Are they legitimate businessmen? Do we need to establish what their main business is?

Any relevant crimes?
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Are they real estate developers?
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Was the building of the course an act of philanthropy? No Were they compelled in some way to build the course? No

Are they legitimate businessmen? Yes Do we need to establish what their main business is? No

Any relevant crimes? No

Are they real estate developers? No
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I'm getting a lot of no's on this puzzle

Do the businessmen themselves play golf? Do they even like golf? Were they trying to attract a particular member? someone famous?

Does the course have a clubhouse ? relevant?
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Do the businessmen themselves play golf? Yes but not that relevant Do they even like golf? yes Were they trying to attract a particular member? someone famous? No to both

Does the course have a clubhouse ? relevant? The clubhouse remains open and can be booked for weddings etc
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Does the clubhouse get enough use to offset the cost of the course?
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Does the clubhouse get enough use to offset the cost of the course? enough to cover the current running costs however it does not make the business men any real profit
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Did they have some other method of turning a profit? Did they invest in the course?
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Did they have some other method of turning a profit? They did make a profit Did they invest in the course? Only in the building of the course
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Does the course contain something valuable?
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Does the course contain something valuable? good question, not any more
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Did they find something valuable on the course? While excavating the land for the course?
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Did they find something valuable on the course? While excavating the land for the course? b{Thats part of it however found may be misleading}
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oops forgot the \

Did they find something valuable on the course? While excavating the land for the course? Thats part of it! however found may be misleading
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Did they discover something? Rediscover something? Lose something? Then find it again?
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Did they discover something? ..ish Rediscover something? ..ish Lose something? Then find it again? No to both
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The something: a physical object? More than one? Is some quality about the land itself relevant?
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The something: a physical object? Yes More than one? Hard to answer but i will say yes Is some quality about the land itself relevant? Yes
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Was the something hazardous? Are the businessmen going to receive compensation or an insurance payout in respect of the presence of the "thing"?
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Was the something hazardous? No not really Are the businessmen going to receive compensation or an insurance payout in respect of the presence of the "thing"? Not compensation no
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Did they file a lawsuit? And will receive money for that?
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Did they file a lawsuit? No nothing like that And will receive money for that? So No
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Will the businessmen receive a lot of money, period?
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Will the businessmen receive a lot of money, period? They have recieved a lot of money already
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Did they receive the money from the investors? Did they receive more money than was needed to maintain the course?
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Did they simply dig out a lot of gravel while constructing the golf course? so they covered all their expenses by selling the gravel? (while they would not have get a permission to dig for gravel in this area otherwise?)
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Did they receive the money from the investors? They were the investors Did they receive more money than was needed to maintain the course? So No

Did they simply dig out a lot of gravel while constructing the golf course? Not gravel but OTRT so they covered all their expenses by selling the gravel? They sold something (while they would not have get a permission to dig for gravel in this area otherwise?)Permission was not an issue
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Did they dig out a lot of dirt? A lot of something? Did they sell the excavated dirt?
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Did they dig out a lot of dirt? No A lot of something? Yes Did they sell the excavated dirt? The excavated something yes
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Did they dig out something natural? Manmade? Stone? Lumber? Dead things?
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Did they know that it was there before they bought the land? or did they find it accidentally?
Did others know that it was there?
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Did they dig out something natural? Yes Manmade? No Stone? Lumber? Dead things? No

Did they know that it was there before they bought the land? Yes or did they find it accidentally? No
Did others know that it was there? Yes
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Minerals? Precious stones? Or precious metals, such as gold?
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Minerals? Yes Precious stones? Or precious metals, such as gold? No to the rest
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Oil?
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So they dug minerals out of the ground when building the golf course? and this was their intention all along? yet they pretended to want to build a golf course, so as not to let the seller of the land on to the true value of his property?
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Oil? No

So they dug minerals out of the ground when building the golf course? Yes and this was their intention all along? No yet they pretended to want to build a golf course, so as not to let the seller of the land on to the true value of his property? When they bought the land they fully intended to build a golf course, they had surveyed the land and knew what it was composed of, and had no initial intention of selling any of the the excavated material.
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Did the price of the mineral go up during the construction of the course? Did the mineral have a particular quality that made it valuable and that they did not expect before? Would it help to establish what kind of mineral it was?
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Did the price of the mineral go up during the construction of the course? Not Really Did the mineral have a particular quality that made it valuable and that they did not expect before? Not a quality but a set of circumstances is more relevant Would it help to establish what kind of mineral it was? Quite probably
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Was the mineral a solid? Was it a metal?
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Was the mineral a solid? Was it a metal? Solid ish, not a metal
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Was it a liquid? A thick liquid? Part solid, part liquid?
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Was it a liquid? A thick liquid? Part solid, part liquid? Technically it is a solid
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Glass? I know the classification of that is confusing...
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Glass? I know the classification of that is confusing... Not quite but very very ORT
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Is the mineral transparent? Translucent? Does it melt easily? At room temperature? Is it a powder?
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Is the mineral transparent? No Translucent? No Does it melt easily? It does melt and this is important At room temperature? No Is it a powder? Very close
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Is it simply water/ice? Wax?
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Is it simply water/ice? Wax? Nope
HINT - The material is used in a particular manufacturing process
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Talc? Gypsum?
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quartz sand?
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Talc? Gypsum? No

quartz sand? The material is silica sand
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Silica sand is used for making glass .. is this relevant?
Silica sand exists virtually everywhere in the world but it becomes valuable if it is found in good quality near a glass plant. Was there a glass plant nearby?
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Silica sand is used for making glass .. is this relevant? Yes
Silica sand exists virtually everywhere in the world but it becomes valuable if it is found in good quality near a glass plant. Was there a glass plant nearby? Yes but.....
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Was the glass plant low on silica sand? Were they now able to get the silica sand much more easily? Earning a profit for the investors?
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Was the glass plant low on silica sand? Not as such, a possible FA lurking Were they now able to get the silica sand much more easily? ish but check for the FA Earning a profit for the investors? Yes
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Was the nearby glass plant still operational? Was it closed? Were they able to reopen it now that there was silica sand?
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Was the nearby glass plant still operational? NoWas it closed? Yes Were they able to reopen it now that there was silica sand? Not BECAUSE of the sand, however....Dont forget everybody knew the sand was there,you are very close to the first half of the businessmens profit now,however there is a little more to it....
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Did they reopen the glass plant? Did the businessmen sell the silica sand to the plant?
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Did they reopen the glass plant? Yes Did the businessmen sell the silica sand to the plant? Yes
This made them a vast amount of money at which point they hit on another slightly more obvious money making scheme, bonus points are availible for getting this....
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Did they sell silica sand to ordinary people? At a higher price? Lower?
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Did they sell silica sand to ordinary people? At a higher price? Lower? They sold it to the plant which had been reopened by diferent owners, between the initial plans and the construction of the course, this made them a good deal of profit, however they also made even more profit by........

I will do a full recap of the story so far shortly
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Did they sell the land as well?
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Did they sell the land as well? Not the land as such
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Did they have to dig up the course to get to the silica sand? Did they sell the dug-up earth?
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Did they have to dig up the course to get to the silica sand? Yes Did they sell the dug-up earth? No
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Did they do something else with the course? Did they build something else there? Build another course? A building?
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Did they use the silica sand on the course itself? (for sand bunkers, for getting a smooth surface for the greens, ..)
Was their plan already in the beginning to dig out the sand they would need for the course on the course itself? Because they knew that it was there?
But they dug out much more than they needed? And the glass plant was a profitable way to get rid of it? (otherwise they would have had to pay for dumping it somewhere?)
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Did they do something else with the course? I suppose indirectly, but the end result was a golf course. Did they build something else there? Ish to build Build another course? No A building? No
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Did they use the silica sand on the course itself? (for sand bunkers, for getting a smooth surface for the greens, ..) No
Was their plan already in the beginning to dig out the sand they would need for the course on the course itself? No Because they knew that it was there? No
But they dug out much more than they needed? And the glass plant was a profitable way to get rid of it? No(otherwise they would have had to pay for dumping it somewhere?)
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Did they redesign the course? Offer membership to certain people? Maybe those at the glass plant?
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Did they redesign the course? No Offer membership to certain people? No Maybe those at the glass plant? They made the second half of their large profit before the course was open
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Did the incident with the silica sand attract members? "Treasure hunters" (DOYD of "treasure," of course)?
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Did the incident with the silica sand attract members? "Treasure hunters" (DOYD of "treasure," of course)? No to all,the silica sand was all sold to the glass plant

Hint in white When the sold the sand they had something left
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Was something mixed in with the silica sand? Something valuable?
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Was something mixed in with the silica sand? Something valuable? No all of the extracted sand was sold to the glass plant
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was there something that was buried by the sand? Did they know it was there before they removed the sand?
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was there something that was buried by the sand? No with a sort of ish Did they know it was there before they removed the sand? It wasnt there before they removed the sand.....
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Um...hmm...intriguing.

Oh wait, is it the hole left by the sand? Did they sell the hole somehow? Build something in it? A swimming pool? Fill it with water? Fill it with something else?
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Oh wait, is it the hole left by the sand? YES Did they sell the hole somehow? Yesish Build something in it? A swimming pool? Fill it with water? Fill it with something else? YES
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With dirt?
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With dirt? Not dirt as such
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Did they plant something in the hole? Trees? Were they able to use the filled-in hole as part of the course?
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Did they plant something in the hole? Trees? Were they able to use the filled-in hole as part of the course?
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Did they plant something in the hole? No Trees? No Were they able to use the filled-in hole as part of the course? Yes
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Was it more sand? Did they use the course as a storage facility for sand deliveries until the sand plant needed it?

Is it something similar to dirt, or specific type of dirt? If so, soil? compost? potting soil? mulch? clay? cement?
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Did they use the hole as a bunker? As one of the 18 holes?
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Was it more sand? No Did they use the course as a storage facility for sand deliveries until the sand plant needed it? No

Is it something similar to dirt, or specific type of dirt? No If so, soil? compost? potting soil? mulch? clay? cement? No
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Did they fill it with concrete? Pavement? And use it as a parking lot?
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Did they fill it with concrete? Pavement? And use it as a parking lot? No

Hint in white what is it that everybody has but nobody wants
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Death? A choice?
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Trash?
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Death? A choice? No

Trash? YES
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All the pieces are pretty much here does anyone want to put it all together?
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So they harvested the sand from their golf course, sold it to the glass factory, and essentially turned the hole into a landfill? Right? But they were still able to play golf on it? Was there a huge time gap between digging out the sand and playing golf again (in order to restore the landfill to a playable surface)?
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Is this a true story?
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It is based on a true story my dad told me about a golf club that had been "opening soon" for over a year, then closed within a few months of actually opening
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So they harvested the sand from their golf course, sold it to the glass factory, and essentially turned the hole into a landfill? Right? But they were still able to play golf on it? Was there a huge time gap between digging out the sand and playing golf again (in order to restore the landfill to a playable surface)? the timescale from purchasing the land to opening the course was several years

Thats good enough for a ******SPOILER*****

A group of business men had the idea to build a golf course in my local area. They looked around for a suitable area and found the site, which was comprised of mainly silica sand. The area had been used to mine silica sand years before to supply a local glass plant, however this plant had long since closed down so the sand was not in demand. Between the buying of the land and the beginning of construction the glass plant was bought and reopened. The men had a supply of silica sand which they could now sell to the newly opened plant at a good profit. Once the sand had been excavated this left them with a great big hole in the ground. They then offered this to the local councils in the area for use as a landfill. Once a suitable amount of rubbish had been put in the hole, they filled the rest with earth and soil (most left over from the excavation) and continued with their original plan to build a golf course. However as several years had passed and the recession was starting to bite they found fewer people could afford to join or even play golf so lack of numbers forced them to close. the men had made a vast profit however from the sale of the sand and the use of the land to dump rubbish that they were not overly concerned by this. As it stands at the moment they keep the clubhouse open for weddings and as a guest house/restaurant which is ticking over, however they have let the course close, for the time being, to save money, and it may or may not open in the future.

Thanks to everyone for playing

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