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Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
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Posted on Wednesday, November 17, 2010 - 12:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Why would Joe, a religious Jew, participate in a well-known Nazi tradition? More importantly, why would Joe's religious community not be critical of Joe for it, and furthermore even praise him for what he had just done?

It, what he had just done, etc. = The Nazi Tradition
All "He"s = Joe
Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
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Posted on Wednesday, November 17, 2010 - 12:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By the way, this does require some additional knowledge so I will allow google for it.
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Posted on Wednesday, November 17, 2010 - 1:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the Holocaust relevant?

Was Joe alive during the Nazi regime? Did he perform the tradition at the time of the Nazis?

Nazi salute relevant? "Have you seen Kyle" relevant?
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Book burning relevant?
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Is the time period relevent? Were there Nazis present?
Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
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Is the Holocaust relevant? Not specifically

Was Joe alive during the Nazi regime? irreleant Did he perform the tradition at the time of the Nazis? no

Nazi salute relevant? No "Have you seen Kyle" relevant? What is this?

Book burning relevant? No

Is the time period relevent? Only that itw as after the Nazis. Establishing a specific time would help (and there are a number of specific times it could be) but a general period such as a decade would not. Were there Nazis present? Assume no
Balin (Balin)
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Did he perform it a short time after the Holocaust? A long time? Many, many years?

Country relevant? If so, is it on [LTPF list of continents]?
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Season of year relevant? Some specific holiday(s)?

Nazi tradition: something (at least certain) members of the German NSDAP would usually do? German Nazis after 1945 would usually do? Supporters of the Nazis outside Germany before 1945 would usually do? After 1945?

Is it an older tradition the Nazis only adopted? Something the Nazis actually invented (although I doubt the existence of inventive Nazis)?
Was it in fact an older tradition the Nazis used/abused?

Did Joe participate in the Nazi tradition in
order to communicate the fact the Nazis did it? In order to show it would be more appropirate for other people to follow it?

Was Joe able to do this alone? Or were other participants involved? If so: Other jews? Other people disliked by the Nazis? The (Neo-?)Nazis themselves?
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Did he perform it a short time after the Holocaust? A long time? Many, many years? It could have happened at various times since 1948. There are some times when it could NOT have happened, though. Its time in relation to the Holocaust is irrelevant.

Country relevant? If so, is it on [LTPF list of continents]? Country is somewhat relevant. There are many it could have happened in, and many it could not have happened in. But it could have happened on any continent (except Antarctica)
Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
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Posted on Friday, November 19, 2010 - 2:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Sorry, missed markobr's questions
Season of year relevant? Some specific holiday(s)? Time of year is impossible to determine until we know the year.

Nazi tradition: something (at least certain) members of the German NSDAP would usually do? German Nazis after 1945 would usually do? Supporters of the Nazis outside Germany before 1945 would usually do? After 1945? None of these, see below

Is it an older tradition the Nazis only adopted? It was based on an older tradition. But they added something, which is the relevant portion. Something the Nazis actually invented (although I doubt the existence of inventive Nazis)? This tradition was originated by the Nazis, although it was based on an older one.
Was it in fact an older tradition the Nazis used/abused? You could say they abused the older tradition this was based on. Other than that, no.

Did Joe participate in the Nazi tradition in
order to communicate the fact the Nazis did it? No. Good question! Now find out more on this. In order to show it would be more appropirate for other people to follow it? No, possible FA

Was Joe able to do this alone? Or were other participants involved? At the time Joe was performing the tradition, nobody else was performing it. However, Joe's performing the tradition was part of a much larger performance of the tradition (which has been performed many other times as well, as established above) which has involved many others. If so: Other jews? Many other Jews participated in this tradition, possibly around the same time as Joe Other people disliked by the Nazis? Same The (Neo-?)Nazis themselves? He probably didn't do it with the original Nazis (although this is certainly possible if he were a "secret" Jew, but assume no). I'm sure Neo-Nazis have been involved too, though possibly not at the same point in time as Joe.

Hint: Joe could be one of many people. He does not refer to a specific individual. As another hint, try to find out more about what I mean by "Nazi Tradition"
Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Friday, November 19, 2010 - 7:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Swastikas relevant? Other cultures' use of swastikas relevant?
Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
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Swastikas relevant? Other cultures' use of swastikas relevant? No to both
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Posted on Friday, November 19, 2010 - 11:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does following the tradition involve the handling of a fire? Lighting a fire? Extinguishing one?
Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
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Does following the tradition involve the handling of a fire? Yes Lighting a fire? At one point in the following of the tradition, yes, but Joe did not participate in this. Extinguishing one? No (although this is a portion of the earlier tradition the Nazi tradition is based on.
Balin (Balin)
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Solstice fire relevant?
Markobr (Markobr)
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Carrying the Olympic flame?
Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
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Solstice fire relevant? No

Carrying the Olympic flame? Yes! Did you actually know this or was this just a guess? Because you're right.


****SPOILER***
Although the tradition of Olympic Flame has been around since the ancient games, Adolf Hitler began the tradition of relaying it from Greece to the host city when Berlin hosted in 1936. Hitler believed that Ancient Greeks were the ancestors of the Aryan Race and felt this would be a perfect way to show it. However, in spite of its origins, this tradition is still practiced today, and many Jews (including Joe) have had a chance to carry it during the relay. Good job markobr, did you actually know about this before?
Markobr (Markobr)
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Posted on Sunday, November 21, 2010 - 3:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

It was a guess - there aren't many traditions which include the handling of fire by many people, one after the other and have been followed in many countries of the world...

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