| Author | Message | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 6043 Registered: 8-2001 |
People often choose a particular job because there is a sense in which it won't involve what the job title suggests. How come? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2407 Registered: 3-2006 |
Is the job title semantically ambiguous? Like 'undertaker'? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 6045 Registered: 8-2001 |
Woodworm (Woodworm) New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2407 Registered: 3-2006 Posted on Sunday, November 21, 2010 - 8:00 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is the job title semantically ambiguous? Like 'undertaker'?no or noish | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 8735 Registered: 4-2010 |
Do they take the job because it won't involve lots of hard work? Would the job title suggest it would? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 6046 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 8735 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 - 4:40 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Do they take the job because it won't involve lots of hard work? yope or noishWould the job title suggest it would?ditto. You're ORT!! | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2414 Registered: 3-2006 |
Does the job description suggest a higher wage than the job actually attracts? | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 883 Registered: 5-2009 |
Does the job title make you think of: long working hours? difficult work? strenuous work? boring work? bad career chances? dangerous work? a lonely workplace? having to deal with difficult people? bad payment? working indoors? working outdoors? travelling a lot? not travelling at all? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 6048 Registered: 8-2001 |
Woodworm (Woodworm) New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2414 Registered: 3-2006 Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 - 7:01 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Does the job description suggest a higher wage than the job actually attracts?no Markobr (Markobr) New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 883 Registered: 5-2009 Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 - 7:50 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Does the job title make you think of: long working hours?yesish, & that's most relevant of all the questions on your list, but there's something even more relevasnt that you haven't guessed yet difficult work? yes but irrel strenuous work? ditto boring work? no bad career chances? no dangerous work? yes but irrel a lonely workplace? no having to deal with difficult people? yes but irrel bad payment? no working indoors? yes but irrel working outdoors? no travelling a lot? no not travelling at all? yes but irrel | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 885 Registered: 5-2009 |
Does the job title make you think of: having to work at night? on weekends? in rotating shifts? to have to go to work at short notice? not having many holidays? Is the more relevant thing time-related at all? | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 1245 Registered: 6-2008 |
Does the title suggest one will work at odd hours, e.g. the middle of the night? That one needs to be available to come to work around the clock? That the person will never be able to retire? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 6050 Registered: 8-2001 |
Markobr (Markobr) New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 885 Registered: 5-2009 Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 - 8:23 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Does the job title make you think of: having to work at night? yes on weekends? yes in rotating shifts? possiblyto have to go to work at short notice?Yes, that's the most important point that's been brought up not having many holidays? noish Is the more relevant thing time-related at all? yes Biograd (Biograd) New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 1245 Registered: 6-2008 Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 - 8:26 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Does the title suggest one will work at odd hours, e.g. the middle of the night? yes That one needs to be available to come to work around the clock? yesishThat the person will never be able to retire? no | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 1100 Registered: 7-2001 |
so the job title implies that you will need to work at short notice? but people often choose it because there is a sense in which you won't have to do that? meaning you will have notice? you will have time to prepare? is the job 'relief X'? or 'locum X'? or 'stand in'? are 'unsociable hours' relevant? those who want the job - are they lazy? are they trying to avoid - working hard? working long hours? working unsociable hours? being poorly paid? being low status? is their reason for wanting the job rational? do they understand what the job involves? are they making a mistake? based upon the name? is pay relevant here? educational attainment? hobbies? race? romantic relationships? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 6051 Registered: 8-2001 |
Kdoc (Kdoc) New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 1100 Registered: 7-2001 Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 - 9:24 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) so the job title implies that you will need to work at short notice? yes but people often choose it because there is a sense in which you won't have to do that? yes meaning you will have notice? yes you will have time to prepare? yes, but there's an even more important factor for many people is the job 'relief X'? or 'locum X'? or 'stand in'? no to all are 'unsociable hours' relevant? no those who want the job - are they lazy? probably notare they trying to avoid - working hard? no working long hours? possibly working unsociable hours? no being poorly paid?irrel being low status? ditto is their reason for wanting the job rational? yes do they understand what the job involves? yes are they making a mistake? nobased upon the name? no is pay relevant here? it might help you identify the job but need not figure into applicants' thinking educational attainment? yesishhobbies? possibly race? no romantic relationships? possibly | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 1247 Registered: 6-2008 |
Is the "more important factor" referenced above that one can choose when to work? can choose which jobs to take (and which to reject)? can have a choice of colleagues? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 6054 Registered: 8-2001 |
Biograd (Biograd) New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 1247 Registered: 6-2008 Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 - 11:29 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is the "more important factor" referenced above that one can choose when to work? nocan choose which jobs to take (and which to reject)?nocan have a choice of colleagues? no | ||
| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 311 Registered: 7-2010 |
Can one choose where to work? Does one get anything from the employer that one can benefit from in their free time, such as a car that you're free to use or a computer? Or does the employer provide living quarters? Is insurance relevant? Dunno what it's like in other countries, but in Germany the Armed Forces will pay for your university education if you commit yourself to them for a couple of years afterwards. Is it something like that? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 6055 Registered: 8-2001 |
Potato (Potato) New member Username: Potato Post Number: 311 Registered: 7-2010 Posted on Wednesday, November 24, 2010 - 8:13 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Can one choose where to work? irrel Does one get anything from the employer that one can benefit from in their free time, such as a car that you're free to use or a computer? no Or does the employer provide living quarters? no Is insurance relevant? no Dunno what it's like in other countries, but in Germany the Armed Forces will pay for your university education if you commit yourself to them for a couple of years afterwards. Is it something like that?no | ||
| Firesparx (Firesparx)
New member Username: Firesparx Post Number: 43 Registered: 11-2010 |
Is the phrase 'on call' relevant? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 6056 Registered: 8-2001 |
Firesparx (Firesparx) New member Username: Firesparx Post Number: 43 Registered: 11-2010 Posted on Thursday, November 25, 2010 - 4:11 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is the phrase 'on call' relevant? The particular phrase is not relevant, but you're ORT | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 6064 Registered: 8-2001 |
HINT: Identify the job!! | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 8910 Registered: 4-2010 |
Found that LTPF list of job fields hiding somewhere...yay! Profession: Artistic? Musical? Agriculture? Hunter? Fisherman? Banking? Financial? Real estate? Clerical? Administrative? Receptionist? Computer related? Hardware? Information technology? Construction? Craftsman? Criminal? Jailbird? Education? Academic Research? Entertainment? Media? Executive? Management? Hospitality? Travel? Food Service? Law enforcement? Police? Legal Services? Manufacturing? Distributions? Medical? Health Services? Politics? Government? Military? Sales? Marketing? Tradesman? Religion? Retired person? Occupational disease? Sports? Student? Trainee? Teaching? Child care? Technical? Science? Engineering? Transportation? Unemployed? Writer? Editor? Translator? Interpreter? Other? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 6066 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 8910 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Wednesday, December 01, 2010 - 1:21 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Found that LTPF list of job fields hiding somewhere...yay! Profession: Artistic? Musical? Agriculture? Hunter? Fisherman? Banking? Financial? Real estate? Clerical? Administrative? Receptionist? Computer related? Hardware? Information technology? Construction? Craftsman? Criminal? Jailbird? Education? Academic Research? Entertainment? Media? Executive? Management? Hospitality? Travel? Food Service? Law enforcement? Police? Legal Services? Manufacturing? Distributions? Medical? Health Services? Politics? Government? Military? Sales? Marketing? Tradesman? Religion? Retired person? Occupational disease? Sports? Student? Trainee? Teaching? Child care? Technical? Science? Engineering? Transportation? Unemployed? Writer? Editor? Translator? Interpreter? Other? yes to medical & no to all others | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 8981 Registered: 4-2010 |
Job - doctor? Nurse? PA? EMT? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 6069 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 8981 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Friday, December 03, 2010 - 1:56 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Job - doctor? Nurse? PA? EMT?Doctor, but find out what kind | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9033 Registered: 4-2010 |
A surgeon? A physical therapist? An athletic trainer? A specialist? On a certain part of the body? A dentist? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 6074 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9033 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Friday, December 03, 2010 - 8:15 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) A surgeon?no A physical therapist?no An athletic trainer? no A specialistyope On a certain part of the body no? A dentist?no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9123 Registered: 4-2010 |
A specialist in a certain kind of medicine? Or disease? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 6075 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9123 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Sunday, December 05, 2010 - 2:51 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) A specialist in a certain kind of medicine? yes Or disease? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9145 Registered: 4-2010 |
A pharmacist? | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 1105 Registered: 7-2001 |
paediatrician? obstetrician? gynaecologist? radiologist? pathologist? microbiologist? public health physician? haematologist? oncologist? neurologist? intensivist? emergency room specialist? psychiatrist? general practitioner? dermatologist? is the rank of the doctor relevant? attending? consultant? house officer? registrar? intern? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 6081 Registered: 8-2001 |
Kdoc (Kdoc) New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 1105 Registered: 7-2001 Posted on Sunday, December 05, 2010 - 10:29 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) paediatrician? obstetrician? gynaecologist? radiologist? pathologist? microbiologist? public health physician? haematologist? oncologist? neurologist? intensivist? emergency room specialist? psychiatrist? general practitioner? dermatologist? emergency room specialist is the rank of the doctor relevant? attending? consultant? house officer? registrar? intern? I'm not familiar with all these ranks, but the puzzle involves a reason why a doctor might choose to become an emergency room specialist | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 6082 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9145 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Sunday, December 05, 2010 - 9:43 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) A pharmacist? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9192 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the reason related to the "emergency" aspect of the job? To the "specialist" part? | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 1108 Registered: 7-2001 |
is the answer that the term 'emergency room specialist' seems to imply that the doctor will be constantly working in a situation with challenging, high pressured, last minute, scary, one-off, high stress situations - but that actually they are so highly trained and get so much experience in these situations that they are not actually so challenging but actually become normal? (I know an emergency department specialist who left because it all became same-y. He went into Public Health because we do something different every day!) | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 6087 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9192 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Monday, December 06, 2010 - 3:39 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is the reason related to the "emergency" aspect of the job? yes To the "specialist" part? no Kdoc (Kdoc) New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 1108 Registered: 7-2001 Posted on Monday, December 06, 2010 - 2:01 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) is the answer that the term 'emergency room specialist' seems to imply that the doctor will be constantly working in a situation with challenging, high pressured, last minute, scary, one-off, high stress situations - but that actually they are so highly trained and get so much experience in these situations that they are not actually so challenging but actually become normal? irrel (I know an emergency department specialist who left because it all became same-y. He went into Public Health because we do something different every day!) interesting!! | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9286 Registered: 4-2010 |
Do emergency room specialists rarely deal with actual emergencies? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 3149 Registered: 1-2007 |
Is the fact that the ER department only deals with the patient until they are stable enough to go to a ward or to the operating theatre relevant? i.e. The doctor's might have a particular patient in their care for only a short period of time? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 6091 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9286 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Tuesday, December 07, 2010 - 9:55 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Do emergency room specialists rarely deal with actual emergencies? see next answer Peter365 (Peter365) New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 3149 Registered: 1-2007 Posted on Wednesday, December 08, 2010 - 10:52 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is the fact that the ER department only deals with the patient until they are stable enough to go to a ward or to the operating theatre relevant? see next answeri.e. The doctor's might have a particular patient in their care for only a short period of time? yes This is close enough for me to declare a ******** SPOILER ******************* Some doctors choose to become emergency room specialists because when your emergency room shift is over, it's over. Unlike an obstetrician, for example, an emergency room doctor is never called away from his free time to deal with an emergency for a longstanding patient--because he has no longstanding patients. Sorry it was so easy & please check out my new puzzle you know where. | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 3154 Registered: 1-2007 |
Hurrah another Nimue solve. We may disagree on John Lennon but it's always a pleasure to solve one of your puzzles. | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 6103 Registered: 8-2001 |
A pleasure for me, too! |
