| Author | Message | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2426 Registered: 3-2006 |
As the nights grew longer, it tended to get shorter. | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 907 Registered: 5-2009 |
The nights grew longer: in autumn? summer? On the planet Earth? It: a timespan? distance? tended: Were there exceptions to the rule? So it sometimes got longer? Stayed the same length? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2427 Registered: 3-2006 |
The nights grew longer: in autumn? this one summer? no On the planet Earth? yes It: a timespan? yes, a timespan distance? not this tended: Were there exceptions to the rule? it's possible, but let's assume not: 'it got shorter' would do just fine So it sometimes got longer? no Stayed the same length? no | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 1751 Registered: 11-2003 |
Daylight savings relevant? Working hours? Would this observation be valid in all parts of the world? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2428 Registered: 3-2006 |
Daylight savings relevant? no Working hours? no Would this observation be valid in all parts of the world? yes, it would | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 8811 Registered: 4-2010 |
Shorter: in time? In height? In length (inches, meters, etc.)? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2429 Registered: 3-2006 |
Shorter: in time? this one In height? In length (inches, meters, etc.)? shorter in time, not in distance | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 3096 Registered: 1-2007 |
I'm tempted to say that the obvious answer is that as the nights got longer the days got shorter! Is this the length of time an activity takes to do? a hobby? a task? a journey? Any relevant media? sports? arts? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2430 Registered: 3-2006 |
I'm tempted to say that the obvious answer is that as the nights got longer the days got shorter! Hehe Is this the length of time an activity takes to do? yes, this one a hobby? for svv thereof, I suppose a task? for svv of 'task', too a journey? no Any relevant media? not really sports? noarts? yes, the arts are relevant | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1045 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is there any causality link between the two? In the sense that it got shorter because the nights grew longer? Is it relevant that the past is used? It happened only once? Is it happening also this autumn (what is left of it, anyway)? It also happened ten years ago? In 1789? Arts: music? picture? sculpture? architecture? other? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 3098 Registered: 1-2007 |
Working on a theory here.... Any relevant song lyric? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2431 Registered: 3-2006 |
Is there any causality link between the two? yes, an indirect one In the sense that it got shorter because the nights grew longer? not direct, like this Is it relevant that the past is used? yes It happened only once? no: it happened several times Is it happening also this autumn (what is left of it, anyway)? no It also happened ten years ago? no In 1789? and certainly not in this year Arts: music? this one picture? sculpture? architecture? other? Working on a theory here.... Any relevant song lyric? nope | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 8823 Registered: 4-2010 |
Music - singing? Playing an instrument? Is a certain artist or band relevant? Is a specific song relevant? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2433 Registered: 3-2006 |
Music - singing? no Playing an instrument? this one Is a certain artist or band relevant? yes, a solo performer Is a specific song relevant? an instrumental piece, yes, but it would work for any piece of this type | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 910 Registered: 5-2009 |
Does the time it takes to play the piece get shorter? Because he plays faster? Leaves out parts? Is there an audience which listens to the piece? Relevant? Does he play outdoors? Maybe his concerts get shorter in autumn because it gets colder and people don't want to listen for a long time? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2434 Registered: 3-2006 |
Does the time it takes to play the piece get shorter? yes Because he plays faster? no: but good thinking Leaves out parts? yes, this one Is there an audience which listens to the piece? yes Relevant? very much so Does he play outdoors? no Maybe his concerts get shorter in autumn because it gets colder and people don't want to listen for a long time? another nice idea, but not this | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 912 Registered: 5-2009 |
Does he completely leave out parts of the piece? Or does he only leave out reprises? Is the audience always more or less the same? Does he play in a concert hall? Somewhere else where listening to the music is what the audience mainly does? Or part of a performance which includes other forms of art (as in a musical, a dance demonstration etc.)? Or otherwise not the only important thing (e.g. he plays in a pub)? Does the audience dance to the music? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2435 Registered: 3-2006 |
Does he completely leave out parts of the piece? this Or does he only leave out reprises? not just this Is the audience always more or less the same? at various performances: probably not Does he play in a concert hall? yes Somewhere else where listening to the music is what the audience mainly does? no: it is a regular concert hall Or part of a performance which includes other forms of art (as in a musical, a dance demonstration etc.)? no Or otherwise not the only important thing (e.g. he plays in a pub)? no Does the audience dance to the music? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 8829 Registered: 4-2010 |
Does he leave out the same parts of the piece? Different ones? Does he leave out parts that the audience has heard before? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2438 Registered: 3-2006 |
Does he leave out the same parts of the piece? irrel Different ones? irrel Does he leave out parts that the audience has heard before? perhaps, but not really relevant | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 914 Registered: 5-2009 |
Does he always play the same piece (possibly with omissions)? Does he play more than one piece? If so: Does he only omit parts of one piece or of several ones? Can the relevant piece(s) be described as religious music? Do the piece(s) or its composer's remarks in any way refer to seasons of year? Did he compose the piece(s) himself? Is the identity of the musician relevant? Is he famous? Was he at the relevant time? LTPF list of centuries, please - for the performance and, if relevant, for the composer. | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2439 Registered: 3-2006 |
Does he always play the same piece (possibly with omissions)? no, he plays various things Does he play more than one piece? well, he may, but the story only applies to one piece ... If so: Does he only omit parts of one piece this one or of several ones? Can the relevant piece(s) be described as religious music? no Do the piece(s) or its composer's remarks in any way refer to seasons of year? no, but a nice idea Did he compose the piece(s) himself? he did, yes: good q Is the identity of the musician relevant? to a small degree, yes Is he famous? very much so Was he at the relevant time? indeed LTPF list of centuries, please - for the performance and, if relevant, for the composer. the 20th And (why not) let me tell you that he was Sergei Rachmaninov, and that the piece in question was the Variations on a Theme of Corelli, Opus 42. | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 915 Registered: 5-2009 |
Did he leave out parts of his Variations because he expected his audience wanted it? Because he wanted to do so himself? Because someone else expected it? Was the general reason why he omitted parts of his piece to save time? Was it only a coincidence that the omissions took place in autumn? Did the concerts get shorter in general due to the omissions? Or was this compensated by him playing other pieces? Longer pieces? Another musician(s) performing before/after his performance? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2444 Registered: 3-2006 |
Did he leave out parts of his Variations because he expected his audience wanted it? yes Because he wanted to do so himself? possibly, but primarily the above Because someone else expected it? no Was the general reason why he omitted parts of his piece to save time? no Was it only a coincidence that the omissions took place in autumn? very yopish and hard to answer ... you see, the autumnal connection is my extrapolation, for the purposes of the puzzle Did the concerts get shorter in general due to the omissions? no other pieces are relevant, but I expect that the overall length of the concert was shorter when he chose to truncate the lovely Op.42 Or was this compensated by him playing other pieces? Longer pieces? Another musician(s) performing before/after his performance? so, none of these | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 917 Registered: 5-2009 |
Was there any important change in the composition of the audience? Maybe more musically uneducated people attended and he expected them not to be able or willing to concentrate over the full length of his piece? Did he decide about omissions before the concerts? Or only during the concerts? Maybe after looking at the audience's behaviour? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2445 Registered: 3-2006 |
Was there any important change in the composition of the audience? no Maybe more musically uneducated people attended and he expected them not to be able or willing to concentrate over the full length of his piece? hehe, no Did he decide about omissions before the concerts? no: good q Or only during the concerts? yes, during Maybe after looking at the audience's behaviour not this, but OTRT | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 918 Registered: 5-2009 |
Did he decide about omissions before starting to play Op.42? Or while he played it? Was Op.42 usually the first piece he played? The last one? He didn't look at the audience's behaviour to decide. Did he look at anything? Listen? Smell? Taste? Feel? Temperature relevant? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2446 Registered: 3-2006 |
Did he decide about omissions before starting to play Op.42? no Or while he played it? this one Was Op.42 usually the first piece he played? irrel ... The last one? but most likely this He didn't look at the audience's behaviour to decide. Did he look at anything? Listen? this one Smell? Taste? Feel? Temperature relevant? not the others ... Nearly there ... | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 919 Registered: 5-2009 |
Did he listen to the audience? To his own instrument? Maybe for signs it was getting out of tune? Or for another decline in sound quality? Room acoustics relevant? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2447 Registered: 3-2006 |
Did he listen to the audience? yes To his own instrument? yes, but irrel Maybe for signs it was getting out of tune? no Or for another decline in sound quality? no Room acoustics relevant? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 8844 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he listen to the level of their applause? And that told him how interested in his playing they were? Which was the basis for his choice on whether or not to omit parts? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2449 Registered: 3-2006 |
Did he listen to the level of their applause? no And that told him how interested in his playing they were? but OTRT Which was the basis for his choice on whether or not to omit parts? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1047 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did he listen to the noise made in the audience? People leaving? Doors opening or closing? Something outside the concert hall? Thunders indicating an upcoming storm? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2452 Registered: 3-2006 |
Did he listen to the noise made in the audience? yes People leaving? no Doors opening or closing? no Something outside the concert hall? no Thunders indicating an upcoming storm? no | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1048 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did he notice a certain noise or rather the lack of a familiar one? Was the audience aware that by making that noise (or refraining from making it) the composer will shorten his performance? Was it a specific group of people in the audience making the noise (or refraining from making it), or it was the public as a whole? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2453 Registered: 3-2006 |
Did he notice a certain noise or rather the lack of a familiar one? he noticed a certain noise Was the audience aware that by making that noise (or refraining from making it) the composer will shorten his performance? no, probably not Was it a specific group of people in the audience making the noise (or refraining from making it), or it was the public as a whole? some members of the audience, but not everyone | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 924 Registered: 5-2009 |
Did he notice people coughing? Sneezing? Audible signs of general unrest? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2454 Registered: 3-2006 |
Did he notice people coughing? specifically this ... Sneezing? Audible signs of general unrest? **** SPOILER **** This story comes from one of the late letters of Rachmaninov. He was notoriously sensitive, as many musicians are. After bad reviews of the First Symphony, he very nearly gave up composing altogether. Which would have been terrible news for lovers of Brief Encounter, Classic FM producers, and those who get paid for piping music into lifts. During his performances of the Corelli Variations, he used to snip out three or four variations if he heard the audience coughing, thinking that it was a sign of boredom. Which, given the length of the Corelli Variations, it probably was. But since coughs and sniffles are commoner in the autumn and winter months, it occurred to me that, as the nights got longer, so his piece got shorter. I wonder if anyone noticed. Well done Markobr and everyone else. |
