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Why were they called the Where-Did-You-See-Me people?
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*frowns pensively* Is this a joke or a lateral puzzle? Haven't heard this one before, either way, so...bringing out the lot of usual questions and some others.

True story?
FYOI?
FSEI?

"They" = H/A/Ms? H/A/Fs? Mixed? Were they "people", i.e. humans? Or not human?

Animals?
Robots?

Is this something on Earth or set somewhere else?

If on Earth, LTPF lists of continents and decades, please?
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*frowns pensively* Is this a joke or a lateral puzzle? Both. More the former, I think, but a lot of mine are like that... Haven't heard this one before, either way, so...bringing out the lot of usual questions and some others.

True story? Yes. Probably. Irr.
FYOI?
FSEI?

"They" = H/A/Ms? These were the typical ones encountered. H/A/Fs? Mixed? This. Were they "people", i.e. humans? Yes. Or not human?

Animals?
Robots?

Is this something on Earth Yes. or set somewhere else?

If on Earth, LTPF lists of continents and decades, please? Africa, pretty much any time in the 1800s.
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Is a pun relevant? Are guides relevant? Tribes?

Trying to think if I may know this one or not...depending on the answers, I will email a possible $poyler.
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Is a pun relevant? No. Are guides relevant? No. Tribes? Yes.
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In that case, on with the questions.

Is tribal warfare relevant? Tribal religions? Camouflage relevant?
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Is tribal warfare relevant? Tribal religions? Camouflage relevant? None of these, with a slight ish on warfare.
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Weaponry relevant?
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Weaponry relevant? No.
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Neighboring tribes relevant? Any non-tribal people relevant? Missionaries?
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Neighboring tribes relevant? Any non-tribal people relevant? Missionaries? Any of these would do.
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Is it relevant how the tribe would be seen by outsiders? If they would be seen at all? How they would view outsiders?
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Is it relevant how the tribe would be seen by outsiders? If they would be seen at all? How they would view outsiders? Yes to all.
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Is their technological level relevant? Location? or era relevant?
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Is their technological level relevant? Mildly. Assume stone-age. Location? Yes. or era relevant? Mildly, assume 1800s.
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Africa? Asia? North America? South America? Australia?
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Africa? This. Asia? North America? South America? Australia?
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North Africa? Central Africa? Southern Africa? Is their language relevant?
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North Africa? Central Africa? This. Southern Africa? Is their language relevant? No.
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Specific country relevant? Specific geography of the land? Desert?
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Specific country relevant? No, probably best known in the Congo area. Specific geography of the land? Could be mountainous, but not all that relevant. Desert? In central Africa? No.
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Is it relevant that it was the 1800's? Could it have happened earlier? modern times?
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Is it relevant that it was the 1800's? Not particularly. Could it have happened earlier? Yes. modern times? I doubt it, but not impossible.
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Are any of the tribe's traditions relevant? Their attire? or lack of?
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Are any of the tribe's traditions relevant? It's not really a tradition, but you're circling around relevancy. Their attire? or lack of? Neither.
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Does their tribal name sound like "Where did you see me" to English-speakers?
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Does their tribal name sound like "Where did you see me" to English-speakers? No.
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Are the tribe's religious beliefs relevant? "Coming-of-age" ceremonies?
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Are the tribe's religious beliefs relevant? Possibly. "Coming-of-age" ceremonies? No.
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Day-to-day rituals relevant? Anything about their food? Where they can? or cannot walk?
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Day-to-day rituals relevant? Anything about their food? Where they can? or cannot walk? None of these.
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Any taboos relevant? Something they could not do? say? due to religious beliefs?
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Any taboos relevant? Something they could not do? say? due to religious beliefs? None of these.
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Any relevant conflicts between their own religious beliefs and missionaries?
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Any relevant conflicts between their own religious beliefs and missionaries? Possibly. I don't know if this can be called a religious belief or simply a cultural one. Missionaries certainly would be subject to it, but so would everyone else.
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Is a certain ritual relevant? Something done by the entire tribe? Just the chief? Does the tribe have a chief?
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Is a certain ritual relevant? I wouldn't call it a ritual. A tradition, maybe. Something done by the entire tribe? Yes. Just the chief? Does the tribe have a chief? Irr.
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Is this something that would be done on a daily basis? Less frequent than that? Only on very special occasions?
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Is this something that would be done on a daily basis? Less frequent than that? Likely this, but depends on circumstances. At times, it might be done several times in a single day. Only on very special occasions? No.
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Is hunting relevant? Fetching water? Anything to do with farm work? personal grooming?
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Is hunting relevant? Fetching water? Anything to do with farm work? personal grooming? None of these.
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Is traditions/rituals for when you meet people for the first time relevant?
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Is traditions/rituals for when you meet people for the first time relevant? Yes.
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Is the relevent thing something they say? do? something else?
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Is the relevent thing something they say? This. do? And sometimes this. something else? No.
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Chanting? Dancing?
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Is the name they use for themselves relevant?
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Chanting? Dancing? Neither.

Is the name they use for themselves relevant? No.
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Do they treat people they meet for the first time extremely friendly? do they offer something that seems very personal? or are they very stand-offish?
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Do they treat people they meet for the first time extremely friendly? No. do they offer something that seems very personal? No. or are they very stand-offish? Not quite.
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Do they seem to be hostile to new people?
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Do they seem to be hostile to new people? Yes, depending.
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Hostile to people of a certain race? Gender? To people not of a certain race? Gender?
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Hostile to people of a certain race? Gender? To people not of a certain race? This. Gender?
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Would they be hostile to everyone non-black african? Cannibalism relevant?
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Would they be hostile to everyone non-black african? Not necessarily; it depends. Look out for FAs. Cannibalism relevant? No.
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Does the 'hostility' only show up in certain situations? Will they automatic be sceptic when meeting new people? Will they hide, perhapse?
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Does the 'hostility' only show up in certain situations? Yes. Will they automatic be sceptic when meeting new people? Yes! Will they hide, perhapse? No.
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That scepticism; does it show in their behaviour? Are they overly shy? Do they show their weapons to newcomers? Do they try to stop them from entering certain areas?
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That scepticism; does it show in their behaviour? Yes. Are they overly shy? No. Do they show their weapons to newcomers? Yes. Do they try to stop them from entering certain areas? No.
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Do they threaten newcomers with their weapons? Kill them? On sight? Harm them? On sight?
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Do they threaten newcomers with their weapons? Yes. Kill them? Depends. On sight? No. Harm them? Depends. On sight? No.
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Depends...on some physical characteristic of the newcomers? On something the newcomers do? Say? Body language relevant?
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Is it relevant where they meet the newcomers (as in distance from their village)? Will they react differently depending on the newcomers' reaction? will their reaction depend on the newcomers' showing their weapons? hiding their weapons? having no weapons at all? Are spesific rules of communication relevant, like hand gestures or similar?
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Depends...on some physical characteristic of the newcomers? No. On something the newcomers do? No. Say? Yes. Body language relevant? No.

Is it relevant where they meet the newcomers (as in distance from their village)? No. Will they react differently depending on the newcomers' reaction? Yes. will their reaction depend on the newcomers' showing their weapons? No. hiding their weapons? No. having no weapons at all? No. Are spesific rules of communication relevant, like hand gestures or similar? No.
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Is it the exactly words used relevant? Relevant what language the newcomers speak?
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Is it the exactly words used relevant? No, just the gist of the statement. Relevant what language the newcomers speak? No.
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Will they react negatively if the newcomers are too friendly? Too sceptic?
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Will they react negatively if the newcomers are too friendly? No. Too sceptic? No.
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My brain is going in circles here. Could you do a recap, please?
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Oh, a minor oops: Too sceptic? Yesish -- in that sceptic may not be the right word.

An African tribe somewhere in Central Africa, likely what is now Zaire, is known as the "Where-Did-You-See-Me" people. The reason for this has to do with how they always greet newcomers with a form of hostility. The background/race/nationality of the newcomers is irrelevant. The tribal members react differently depending on the newcomers' reaction to them, and will attack under certain circumstances. The tribe's reaction could be considered a cultural trait, or even tradition. This is most likely to have occurred before 1900, but this is irrelevant.
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Is there anything about the newcomers, except their reaction, that will cause that reaction?
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Is there anything about the newcomers, except their reaction, that will cause that reaction? No.
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You said the exact words were not important, just the gist of what is said. Can we then presume the newcomers and the tribe speak the same language? or at least are able to communicate somehow?

Is body language even remotely relevant?
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You said the exact words were not important, just the gist of what is said. Can we then presume the newcomers and the tribe speak the same language? Yes. or at least are able to communicate somehow?

Is body language even remotely relevant? Yes.
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Is the tribe misunderstanding the newcomers' body language somehow? Vice versa?
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Is the tribe misunderstanding the newcomers' body language somehow? Vice versa? Not necessarily either one, but if one isn't paying close attention to the other... The relevance, however, is more on the remote end of the scale.
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Is a typical American (or European, or something completely non-tribal) greeting mistaken by the tribe as a sign of hostility? Waving? Shaking hands? High-fiving?
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Is a typical American (or European, or something completely non-tribal) greeting mistaken by the tribe as a sign of hostility? Waving? Shaking hands? High-fiving? None of these, but a natural non-local reaction to the tribe could easily set them off.
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Posture relevant?
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Posture relevant? No.
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Is anything spoken relevant? By the tribe? By the non-locals?
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Is anything spoken relevant? Yes. By the tribe? By the non-locals? Both.
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Actual spoken words? Or mumbling/gibberish? Is something misunderstood? By the non-locals? By the tribe? Any reactions of the non-locals relevant?
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Actual spoken words? This. Or mumbling/gibberish? Is something misunderstood? Possibly. By the non-locals? This. By the tribe? Any reactions of the non-locals relevant? Extremely relevant.
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Do the non-locals misinterpret something as hostile? Friendly?
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Do the non-locals misinterpret something as hostile? Friendly? No to both.
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Do they misinterpret something as irrelevant? When it is in fact a warning sign? Or sign of greeting? Or something?
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Do they misinterpret something as irrelevant? Yes! When it is in fact a warning sign? Yes! Definitely OTRT with both of these. Or sign of greeting? Or something?
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The misinterpreted thing - is it something spoken? An action? Walking towards the non-locals?
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The misinterpreted thing - is it something spoken? An action? Walking towards the non-locals? None of these.
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A gesture?
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A gesture? No. Definite FA -- it's not any sort of action, movement or sound. And "misinterpret" may not be the right word - "underestimate" might be better.
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Underestimate the force of the tribe? The brutality? Violence? Effectiveness of something?
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Underestimate the force of the tribe? The brutality? Violence? Effectiveness of something? The last one is perhaps most important, but all of these are true.
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The effectiveness of the tribe's attacks?
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The effectiveness of the tribe's attacks? No. No specific action is relevant.
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Relevant the size of the tribe?

Could you please recap?
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Relevant the size of the tribe? In a sense ... (wink)

Could you please recap?

An African tribe somewhere in Central Africa, likely what is now Zaire, is known as the "Where-Did-You-See-Me" people. The reason for this has to do with how they always greet newcomers with a form of hostility. The background/race/nationality of the newcomers is irrelevant. The tribal members react differently depending on the newcomers' reaction to them, and will attack under certain circumstances. This typically happens because the non-locals underestimate them, in a way that is hard to define without giving the answer away.

Hint: You have heard of this tribe, though not necessarily its name.
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Is the tribe made up of children?
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Is the tribe made up of children? No.
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Is the number of people in the tribe relevant? Are there very few people in the tribe? One? Zero?
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Is the number of people in the tribe relevant? No. Are there very few people in the tribe? One? Zero?
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Height of the tribe members relevant? Weight?

Camouflage relevant?
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Height of the tribe members relevant? Very much so. Weight? No.

Camouflage relevant? No.
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Are the tribe members abnormally tall? Abnormally short?
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Are the tribe members abnormally tall? Abnormally short? This.
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Do they, as such, appear non-threatening? But looks can be deceiving?
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Do they, as such, appear non-threatening? Yes. But looks can be deceiving? Oh, yes.
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Relevant how they attack? Does the tribe attack at a long range? A short range?

Height of the tribe - 2 feet? 3 feet? 4 feet? 5 feet?
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Relevant how they attack? No. Does the tribe attack at a long range? A short range? This.

Height of the tribe - 2 feet? 3 feet? 4 feet? This, IIRC. 5 feet?
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Do the non-locals attempt to greet the tribe? Do they think the tribe members are children? But are fatally wrong?
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Do the non-locals attempt to greet the tribe? Not exactly. Do they think the tribe members are children? No. But are fatally wrong?
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Does the tribe come to the non-locals? Do the non-locals interpret this as greeting?
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Does the tribe come to the non-locals? No. Do the non-locals interpret this as greeting?
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Do the non-locals approach the tribe? In attempted greeting? Is their greeting mistaken for a sign of hostility?

Is the tribe hidden before the attack? Behind something? Under something? In bushes? Trees?
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Do the non-locals approach the tribe? Yes. In attempted greeting? Not usually. Is their greeting mistaken for a sign of hostility? Depends on the greeting.

Is the tribe hidden before the attack? Excellent question! Depends on your perspective. Behind something? Under something? This, with a very large ish. In bushes? Trees?
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Are they below the typical line of sight for an average person? Are they lying down?

Is the approach by the non-locals in curiosity?
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Are they below the typical line of sight for an average person? Yes. Are they lying down? No.

Is the approach by the non-locals in curiosity? No.
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Is the tribe given this name solely because of their height? Because many non-locals don't see them when they first encounter the tribe? Does the tribe take this as an insult? And thus attack?
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Is the tribe given this name solely because of their height? No. Because many non-locals don't see them when they first encounter the tribe? This does have something to do with it, but is not the primary reason. Does the tribe take this as an insult? Definitely enters into it. And thus attack? Yes.
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Are the non-locals surprised to encounter people that short? Do they laugh?
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Are the non-locals surprised to encounter people that short? Could be. Do they laugh? Could be.
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Do the non-locals react pleasantly to the sight of the short tribe members? Do the tribe members react fearfully or violently to the sight of those taller than them?
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Do the non-locals react pleasantly to the sight of the short tribe members? Irr. Do the tribe members react fearfully or violently to the sight of those taller than them? No.
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Do the tribe members try to converse with the non-locals? Vice versa?
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Do the tribe members try to converse with the non-locals? Yes. Vice versa? Yes.
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Do the tribe members speak English? Does it sound like they speak English?
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Do the tribe members speak English? Irr. Does it sound like they speak English? Irr.
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Do they try to converse verbally? Through body language? Sign language?
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Do they try to converse verbally? This. Through body language? Sign language?
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Does a certain word or phrase get misinterpreted? A greeting? "Hello"? "Hi"? Is any specific word mentioned relevant? Is tone of voice/emotion of voice relevant?
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Does a certain word or phrase get misinterpreted? Not exactly. A greeting? I guess you could call it a greeting. "Hello"? "Hi"? Neither. Is any specific word mentioned relevant? The entire gist of the statement is relevant. Is tone of voice/emotion of voice relevant? Not really.
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Statement...spoken by the non-locals? The tribe?
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Statement...spoken by the non-locals? The tribe? This.
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Did the tribe's form of greeting sound like an insult to the non-locals? Sound like gibberish? Sound humorous?
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Did the tribe's form of greeting sound like an insult to the non-locals? No. Sound like gibberish? No. Sound humorous? Perhaps.
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Did the non-locals understand the tribal greeting? Did they laugh? React in a way that the tribe found to be insulting?
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Did the non-locals understand the tribal greeting? Yes. Did they laugh? Not necessarily. React in a way that the tribe found to be insulting? Oh, yes.
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Did they snicker? Point? Make references to the tribe's vertically-challenged-ness? Was the "insulting reaction" verbal? A gesture?
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Did they snicker? Point? Make references to the tribe's vertically-challenged-ness? This. Was the "insulting reaction" verbal? A gesture? Verbal, mostly, but could easily be both.
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Did they simply point out that the tribe members were short? Or did they do so in a way taken as insulting?
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Did they simply point out that the tribe members were short? Not in so many words. Or did they do so in a way taken as insulting? Yep.
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Did they say the word "short"? "Tiny"? "Little"?
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Did they say the word "short"? "Tiny"? "Little"? None of these.
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Dwarf? Pygmy? (Or plurals of the aforementioned?)
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Midget?
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Dwarf? Pygmy? This is what the tribe was. Midget?(Or plurals of the aforementioned?) Midget? The outsiders did not necessarily make any direct reference to the tribe.
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Did the non-locals call them pygmies? Did the tribe take offense at that?
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Did the non-locals call them pygmies? Irr. Did the tribe take offense at that? No.
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Did the outsiders make direct reference to the tribe members' height?
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Did the outsiders make direct reference to the tribe members' height? No.
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Did the outsiders make a joke about the tribe's height?

Could you please recap?
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Did the outsiders make a joke about the tribe's height? Not deliberately.

Could you please recap?

In Africa, there is a tribe of pygmies called the "Where-Did-You-See-Me" people. This is due to how they greet outsiders - the tribe will attack depending on the outsiders' attitude towards them. It has to do with whether the outsiders see the tribe before they meet. No direct reference is necessarily made to the pygmies' height, but the reaction (typically verbal) may still be taken as an insult by the tribe.

Hint: The tribe's reaction depends on the outsider's response to the greeting.
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Does the tribe attack if the outsiders react pleasantly? Harshly? Humorously?
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Does the tribe attack if the outsiders react pleasantly? Harshly? Humorously? None of these -- though there is an element of humor in the "wrong" response, it is not deliberate.
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Hint: The pygmies' greeting is relevant.
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I iz guessin it wuz nawt in kitteh langwich! but kaylee kitteh iz used tu talkin in dat bye nowe. Iz a very confuseded kaylee kitteh tho! *sighs*
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translation: I guess it wasn't in kitteh language (aka "I can haz cheezburger?" lolspeak) but I am used to talking in that by now. I am a very confused kaylee though! *sighs*
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Do they greet with spoken word? Gestures/
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I iz guessin it wuz nawt in kitteh langwich! but kaylee kitteh iz used tu talkin in dat bye nowe. Iz a very confuseded kaylee kitteh tho! *sighs*

Aye, lassie, ye're reet. There isnae a cat tae be found in this puzzle, but. Th' little 'uns dinnae hivtae talk in Henglish, mind, but whit they do say it in isnae so important either.

Translation from the Glaswegian (in honor of Robbie Burns and the New Year): Cats are irrelevant. The pygmies language is also irrelevant, but assume they're speaking in English if you like.


Do they greet with spoken word? This. Gestures/
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Do the pygmies speak in a native tongue? A common tongue? English? Something understood by the non-locals?
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Do the pygmies speak in a native tongue? A common tongue? English? Something understood by the non-locals? This. The exact language is irrelevant - assume English if you wish.
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Do the pygmies say something they thing to be a greeting? But it actually isn't? Or do they say it in a non-greeting tone?
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Do the pygmies say something they thing to be a greeting? Greeting maybe isn't the right word. I call it a greeting simply because it's the first thing they say when they meet new people. But it actually isn't? Or do they say it in a non-greeting tone? This.
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Do they say it in a threatening tone? Do the non-locals think they will attack? And thus provoke an actual attack?
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Do they say it in a threatening tone? Yes, but largely irrelevant. Do the non-locals think they will attack? No. And thus provoke an actual attack? No.
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Is it relevant exactly what the pygmies say? Do they say something that isn't typically a greeting?
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Is it relevant exactly what the pygmies say? Yes. Do they say something that isn't typically a greeting? Yes.
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Do they say something that is coherent? That makes a proper sentence?
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Do they say something that is coherent? That makes a proper sentence? Yes to both.
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Do they something that is usually said in parting? Something overly personal (from the non-locals' perspective)? A threat? Something trivial? A typical native greeting?
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Do they something that is usually said in parting? No. Something overly personal (from the non-locals' perspective)? Not really, though YMMV. A threat? Doesn't sound like one - at first. Something trivial? It might sound so. A typical native greeting? For this tribe, yes. For others, no.

Hint: You're overlooking something.
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YMMV?

Have the non-locals met the tribe before the greeting?
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YMMV? Your Mileage May Vary; ie, you may disagree.

Have the non-locals met the tribe before the greeting? No.
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Is the non-locals' response to this greeting relevant? Do they laugh? Ask what the natives are trying to say?
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Is the non-locals' response to this greeting relevant? Very much so. Do they laugh? Possibly. Ask what the natives are trying to say? Possibly.
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Do they try to respond to the natives? Do the natives take the non-locals' response as a threat?
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Do they try to respond to the natives? Yes. Do the natives take the non-locals' response as a threat? No.
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Do they attempt to hold a conversation with the natives?
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Do they attempt to hold a conversation with the natives? No, just to respond to their "greeting." Which you still haven't worked out (hint, hint).
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Is the greeting in the form of a question?
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Is the greeting in the form of a question? Yes.
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Do they ask an ordinary question? Do they ask something about the non-locals? Like their names?

Skin color relevant? Eye color? Hair color? Height? "Why are you so tall" or something similar?
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Or...is the greeting simply "Where do you see me?"
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Or...is the greeting simply "Where do you see me?" Almost there!
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"Where do you see us?"
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"Where do you see us?" Getting colder.
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"Where do you see me?"
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"Where do we see you?"
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Wrong tense, guys... look at the puzzle statement. ;)
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"Where did we see you?"
"Where did you see me?"
"Where do you see me?" (please, let it not be that easy...)
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(Where DID you see me...typo)
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"Where did you see me?" (please, let it not be that easy...) Yep. Now, why did they ask it?
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To see if the non-locals would think them to be weird or abnormal? Because of their height?
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"Where did you see me?" as in
.. "Where did you see me before?"
.. "Where on Earth did you see me?"
.. "From where did you see me?"
.. "Where else did you see me?"
.. "Did you see me in your home place?"
.. "Did we meet before?"

or, does it have a metaphorical meaning, not related to "seeing" at all?

Which of the following would be a reasonable response to this kind of question/greeting:
.. "In Korea"
.. "On the cover of the National Geographic"
.. "Nowhere"
.. "Never"
.. "In a dream"
.. "Here in this place"
.. "Everywhere"
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Which of the following responses to a "greeting" would cause the attack:
- laughter?
- "what do you mean?" or similar question
- approaching the tribe?
- ignoring question and expressing a normal "greeting"?

Did this particular type of "greeting" the newcomers come from any unfriendly behaviour of newcomers performed to the tribe in the past?

Is this "greeting" a sort of test?
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To see if the non-locals would think them to be weird or abnormal? Indirectly, yes. Because of their height? Yes.

"Where did you see me?" as in
.. "Where did you see me before?" Thisish.
.. "Where on Earth did you see me?" Also thisish.
.. "From where did you see me?"
.. "Where else did you see me?" And thisish.
.. "Did you see me in your home place?"
.. "Did we meet before?" No to the others.

or, does it have a metaphorical meaning, not related to "seeing" at all? Yope.

Which of the following would be a reasonable response to this kind of question/greeting:
.. "In Korea"
.. "On the cover of the National Geographic"
.. "Nowhere"
.. "Never"
.. "In a dream"
.. "Here in this place"
.. "Everywhere" None of these.

Which of the following responses to a "greeting" would cause the attack:
- laughter? Not by itself.
- "what do you mean?" or similar question
- approaching the tribe?
- ignoring question and expressing a normal "greeting"? Unlikely to the others.

Did this particular type of "greeting" the newcomers come from any unfriendly behaviour of newcomers performed to the tribe in the past? Not necessarily unfriendly, but it is a reaction to past meetings with outsiders.

Is this "greeting" a sort of test? Yes!
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Do the tribal members attack if the non-locals answer insultingly or abnormally? Are they testing to see if the non-locals will treat them differently because of their height?
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Will the tribe attack if the outsiders refer somehow to their height?

The tribe members aren't simply asking about previous contacts with outsiders, when they express greeting "Where did you see me", right?

Past tense in the question is relevant? Or would it work good enough in another grammar tense?
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Do the tribal members attack if the non-locals answer insultingly or abnormally? Yes. Are they testing to see if the non-locals will treat them differently because of their height? Yes, although...

Will the tribe attack if the outsiders refer somehow to their height? Depends.

The tribe members aren't simply asking about previous contacts with outsiders, when they express greeting "Where did you see me", right? Right.

Past tense in the question is relevant? Yes. Or would it work good enough in another grammar tense? Not really.
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Would an average outsider realize what answer to a greeting should be appropriate? Or special knowledge of this tradition is needed? Are there any relevant actions of tribal members, which enable newcomers to work out proper answer? The answers which cause the attack mean somehow underestimating the tribe?
Is there any double meaning, double entendre or misspelling in this greeting, which makes it sound as an ordinary question, which in fact it is not?
An appropriate response to a greeting should be expressed by wording or by actions?
Does the question "where did you see me?" refer somehow to the fact that tribal members are initially invisible or at least hard to see?
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Would an average outsider realize what answer to a greeting should be appropriate? Probably not. Or special knowledge of this tradition is needed? Definitely helps. Are there any relevant actions of tribal members, which enable newcomers to work out proper answer? Not really - their attitudes might give you a small hint, but not much. The answers which cause the attack mean somehow underestimating the tribe? Very much so.
Is there any double meaning, double entendre or misspelling in this greeting, which makes it sound as an ordinary question, which in fact it is not? No.
An appropriate response to a greeting should be expressed by wording or by actions? Wording.
Does the question "where did you see me?" refer somehow to the fact that tribal members are initially invisible or at least hard to see? Yes.
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Underestimating refers to: the number of tribal members? their height? their strenght? their military capacities? their skills? their hostile attitude? their knowledge?

The purpose of the greeting is to test: outsiders' perception skills (to see the hidden members)? outsiders' coming in peace? strenght? attitude? intelligence? skills?

Do we have to find out the exact expression, which outsider should say?
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Would the response "Over there" or "In the distance" be a safe response for the non-locals?
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Underestimating refers to: the number of tribal members? their height? their strenght? their military capacities? their skills? their hostile attitude? This. their knowledge?

The purpose of the greeting is to test: outsiders' perception skills (to see the hidden members)? outsiders' coming in peace? strenght? attitude? This. intelligence? skills?

Do we have to find out the exact expression, which outsider should say? That would be good yes.

Would the response "Over there" or "In the distance" This in particular. be a safe response for the non-locals?

And what would be the worst possible response?
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Underestimating refers to: the number of tribal members? their height? their strenght? their military capacities? their skills? their hostile attitude? This. their knowledge?

The purpose of the greeting is to test: outsiders' perception skills (to see the hidden members)? outsiders' coming in peace? strenght? attitude? This. intelligence? skills?

Do we have to find out the exact expression, which outsider should say? That would be good yes.

Would the response "Over there" or "In the distance" This in particular, but it could be even better. be a safe response for the non-locals?

And what would be the worst possible response?
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The purpose of the greeting is to test: outsiders' perception skills (to see the hidden members)? Also this.
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Worst response - "I didn't"?
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Worst response - "I didn't"? Worse than that.
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"See who?" "See what?"
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"See who?" "See what?" Close enough.

* SPOILER *

There was reputedly a pygmy tribe in Central Africa whose members were highly sensitive about their height. Their first reaction to meeting outsiders was to ask "Where did you see me?"

The best answer was, "I saw you several hours ago, towering over those mountains in the distance."

The worst answer, which would precipitate an attack, was "Who said that? Oh, sorry, little fella, I didn't see you down there."
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Yikes - sensitive much? (And this coming from a short person - but not that short.)

Clever puzzle!

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