| Author | Message | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 64 Registered: 12-2010 |
Disappointment killed the bird. The cat and its curiosity are NOT relevant. | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1139 Registered: 9-2009 |
The bird: real bird? fictional? A metaphor? (e.g., an airplane)? Was the bird disappointed? Somebody else? H? A? M? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 66 Registered: 12-2010 |
The bird: real bird? yes fictional? A metaphor? (e.g., an airplane)? no to rest Was the bird disappointed? no Somebody else? yes H? yes A? no M? no, but that's irrel | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 549 Registered: 9-2010 |
"Killed" as in caused to become dead? Or "killed" as in ruined the effect of? (Like if the bird were singing a beautiful song and someone started singing along, that would "kill" the beauty of the bird. Sorry, I'm just trying to think of good examples that involve birds.) Overcame completely or with irresistible effect? (Like when you say "Oh, that movie killed me" because it was so awesome. So the bird was so overcome by disappointment that I don't know, but perhaps didn't literally die) To defeat or veto (like a bill - perhaps they were voting on whether to have a bird in the building or if that was in violation of health code) Is the bird's species relevant? If so, is it [LTPF List of Birds]? Bird = one specific bird? Or a whole species of bird? And it became extinct? Like the dodo? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 67 Registered: 12-2010 |
"Killed" as in caused to become dead? yes Or "killed" as in ruined the effect of? (Like if the bird were singing a beautiful song and someone started singing along, that would "kill" the beauty of the bird. Sorry, I'm just trying to think of good examples that involve birds.) Overcame completely or with irresistible effect? (Like when you say "Oh, that movie killed me" because it was so awesome. So the bird was so overcome by disappointment that I don't know, but perhaps didn't literally die) To defeat or veto (like a bill - perhaps they were voting on whether to have a bird in the building or if that was in violation of health code) No to all, but very nice examples (: Is the bird's species relevant? I don't know the species, but it IS relevant that it's small If so, is it [LTPF List of Birds]? see above Bird = one specific bird? yes Or a whole species of bird? And it became extinct? Like the dodo? so, no to rest | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1140 Registered: 9-2009 |
The other relevant person: a child? Teenager? You? Was that person's disappointment a cause of the bird's death? Did she kill it? By neglecting it? Is the bird's cause of death relevant? True story? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 70 Registered: 12-2010 |
The other relevant person: a child? yes Teenager? no You? no Was that person's disappointment a cause of the bird's death? yes Did she kill it? yes By neglecting it? no Is the bird's cause of death relevant? yes True story? I'm not sure if it's based on one, but let's say FSEI | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9805 Registered: 4-2010 |
Type of bird relevant? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 71 Registered: 12-2010 |
Type of bird relevant? As I don't really know what type it is - noish. Keep in mind that it's small, as I've pointed out above. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9822 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was the bird hit on the head? Did it end up in a car's grille? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 73 Registered: 12-2010 |
Was the bird hit on the head? Did it end up in a car's grille? no to both | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9826 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did the bird die of poisoning? Of starvation? Was it eaten? By an animal? A pet? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 75 Registered: 12-2010 |
Did the bird die of poisoning? Of starvation? Was it eaten? By an animal? A pet? no to all Keep in mind that the person killed it (see above) | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9834 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did the bird overeat? Was it kept inside? Did it fly into a window? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 80 Registered: 12-2010 |
Did the bird overeat? no Was it kept inside? yes Did it fly into a window? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9836 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did the bird try to fly out? Did the person intentionally kill it? Accidentally? | ||
| Kaygee (Kaygee)
New member Username: Kaygee Post Number: 640 Registered: 9-2008 |
Did the bird die immediately? Or within minutes? hours? days? Did the bird get crushed? Enclosed within another object? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 83 Registered: 12-2010 |
Did the bird try to fly out? no Did the person intentionally kill it? noish Accidentally? yesish Did the bird die immediately? yes Or within minutes? hours? days? no to rest Did the bird get crushed? yes, I think that's a word you could use, although I had a different one in mind. Enclosed within another object? yes! | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1148 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was the child disappointed because of something related to the bird? Did her relatives disappoint her? Her friends? Was she trying to play with the bird and managed to kill it in the process? Was he trying to wrap it up as a present? By the way, Christmas gifts relevant? Gifts in general? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 86 Registered: 12-2010 |
Was the child disappointed because of something related to the bird? yes Did her relatives disappoint her? yes Her friends? no Was she trying to play with the bird and managed to kill it in the process? no Was he trying to wrap it up as a present? no By the way, Christmas gifts relevant? yes! Gifts in general? so, yes Very good questions (: | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9892 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was the bird in a cage? Did the bird get flattened? Did the bird die before the disappointment? After? At the same time as? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 88 Registered: 12-2010 |
Was the bird in a cage? I'm not sure, but when it died, it wasn't Did the bird get flattened? I guess that's what you could call it Did the bird die before the disappointment? no After? only shortly At the same time as? Yes, see previous answer. Maybe half a minute later | ||
| Fandres17 (Fandres17)
New member Username: Fandres17 Post Number: 15 Registered: 12-2010 |
The kid was trying to give freedom to the bird as a Xmas gift, but the bird could not fly; so the kid was very dissapointed and he try to make it fly by trowing it through the window of his seventh floor apartment? It is just a theory | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 91 Registered: 12-2010 |
The kid was trying to give freedom to the bird as a Xmas gift, but the bird could not fly; so the kid was very dissapointed and he try to make it fly by trowing it through the window of his seventh floor apartment? A nice theory, but no. You're right about the X-Mas gift part, the kid did get the bird for Christmas. | ||
| Fandres17 (Fandres17)
New member Username: Fandres17 Post Number: 17 Registered: 12-2010 |
Did the kid was dissapointed of receiving a bird as a X-mas gifth so he decided to kill it? in order to recieve a better gift? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 92 Registered: 12-2010 |
Did the kid was dissapointed of receiving a bird as a X-mas gifth yes so he decided to kill it? no, she didn't really decide to do it in order to recieve a better gift? no | ||
| Fandres17 (Fandres17)
New member Username: Fandres17 Post Number: 19 Registered: 12-2010 |
Does Linda put some object over the bird? a part of her body? was Linda focused in something else? May we call the girl "Linda"? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9905 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did Linda intentionally kill the bird? Was the bird left in an enclosed space? Like a box? Without air holes? | ||
| Cupofsun1 (Cupofsun1)
New member Username: Cupofsun1 Post Number: 18 Registered: 11-2010 |
Total shot in the dark but: Magic tricks relevant? Pigeons in collapsing cages? Is the birdcage relevant, if there is one? Did Linda put the bird in this other object/place where it was flattened? Was the bird in a regular Christmas present box? After her initial disappointment, did she take an action that directly caused the birds death? Did she crush the bird with her own body? Did something fall on it? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 93 Registered: 12-2010 |
Does Linda put some object over the bird? no, see next answer a part of her body? yes! was Linda focused in something else? no May we call the girl "Linda"? sure, it's a nice name! Did Linda intentionally kill the bird? Noish to no, I don't think she actually wanted to kill it Was the bird left in an enclosed space? it was in a bird cage before it was killed, but that's irrel Like a box? irrel Without air holes? irrel Total shot in the dark but: Magic tricks relevant? no Pigeons in collapsing cages? no Is the birdcage relevant, if there is one? there is one, but it's irrel Did Linda put the bird in this other object/place where it was flattened? yes Was the bird in a regular Christmas present box? no, it was in a cage After her initial disappointment, did she take an action that directly caused the birds death? yes Did she crush the bird with her own body? yes! Did something fall on it? no You're quite close to the solution now! (: | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1153 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did the bird die while still in the cage? Was the cage crushed as well? Did she try to grab the bird? Remove it from the cage? And managed to "squeeze" it? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 95 Registered: 12-2010 |
Did the bird die while still in the cage? no Was the cage crushed as well? no Did she try to grab the bird? no Remove it from the cage? no And managed to "squeeze" it? not because she wanted to take it out of the cage, but she squeezed it | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1155 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did the bird escape from the cage? And Linda tried to catch her? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 96 Registered: 12-2010 |
Did the bird escape from the cage? no And Linda tried to catch her? no To make this easier: Someone else takes it out of the cage and gives it to Linda. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9939 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did Linda intentionally squeeze the bird? But without meaning to kill it? Was she trying to make the bird smaller? | ||
| Cupofsun1 (Cupofsun1)
New member Username: Cupofsun1 Post Number: 39 Registered: 11-2010 |
So Linda is given a small bird for Christmas. It is in a cage. She is disappointed to get it. It is then taken out of the cage and handed to her. At this point for some reason, she squeezes it too hard, and kills it. Is this timeline correct? Or is her disappointment after the bird is handed to her? Relevant what order? Does she know the bird is real? Not a toy? Is she trying to hand the bird back to someone? Put the bird down/somewhere else? When she kills the bird is she distracted by something/someone else? Does she clench her fist out of anger? Is she trying to get it to talk? Did she want a parrot? Lol. I'm just shooting in the dark here aren't I? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 97 Registered: 12-2010 |
Did Linda intentionally squeeze the bird? yes But without meaning to kill it? that's really hard to say... but I think she didn't rationally decide to kill it Was she trying to make the bird smaller? no So Linda is given a small bird for Christmas. It is in a cage. She is disappointed to get it. It is then taken out of the cage and handed to her. At this point for some reason, she squeezes it too hard, and kills it. Is this timeline correct? yes, this is correct and almost the solution Or is her disappointment after the bird is handed to her? Relevant what order? yesish, see above Does she know the bird is real? yes Not a toy? yes Is she trying to hand the bird back to someone? no Put the bird down/somewhere else? yes When she kills the bird is she distracted by something/someone else? no Does she clench her fist out of anger? no, not anger, but Is she trying to get it to talk? no Did she want a parrot? no Lol. I'm just shooting in the dark here aren't I? No, you're pretty close. There are just some details missing: The reason for her disappointment and why she squeezes the bird so hard (Okay, this is not super relevant). | ||
| Cupofsun1 (Cupofsun1)
New member Username: Cupofsun1 Post Number: 42 Registered: 11-2010 |
Had Linda asked for something else specific that we need to know? Something that one might squeeze? A stuffed animal? A stuffed bird? That is her reason for the disappointment? Is she trying to put the bird down? Back in it's cage? Into something else? Onto the floor, table, some other object in the room? She clenches her fist not out of anger, but... anxiety? Fear? Surprise? Does the bird do anything relevant? Excrement relevant? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 100 Registered: 12-2010 |
Had Linda asked for something else specific that we need to know? yes!! Something that one might squeeze? A stuffed animal? A stuffed bird? no to all That is her reason for the disappointment? yes! Is she trying to put the bird down? Back in it's cage? Into something else? Onto the floor, table, some other object in the room? no to all She clenches her fist not out of anger, but... anxiety? Fear? Surprise? no to all Does the bird do anything relevant? yes! Excrement relevant? yuk, no! | ||
| Cupofsun1 (Cupofsun1)
New member Username: Cupofsun1 Post Number: 43 Registered: 11-2010 |
Ok, does the bird... chirp? Move? Fly? Try to fly? Bite her (I'm thinking it's this one)? Appear dead? Flutter it's wings? Is the thing she asked for... related to birds? A toy? A game? Bigger than a bread box? Man made or natural? Made of metal, wood, plastic, cloth? By the way, how old is Linda, LTPF list of ages...? Is squeezing the bird the action she WOULD have taken with the present she wanted, if she had received it? (Longshot, I know) Play-doh? Something malleable? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 101 Registered: 12-2010 |
Ok, does the bird... chirp? Move? Fly? Try to fly? Bite her (I'm thinking it's this one)? this one Appear dead? Flutter it's wings? Is the thing she asked for... related to birds? no A toy? no A game? no Bigger than a bread box? yes Man made or natural? natural Made of metal, wood, plastic, cloth? none of these By the way, how old is Linda, LTPF list of ages...? hmm, I'd say 6 or 7 Is squeezing the bird the action she WOULD have taken with the present she wanted, if she had received it? (Longshot, I know) no Play-doh? Something malleable? no to both Okay, Linda squeezes the bird so hard because it bit her. Now the last missing detail is what she had wished for. | ||
| Cupofsun1 (Cupofsun1)
New member Username: Cupofsun1 Post Number: 46 Registered: 11-2010 |
Is what she asked for another animal?! Dog, cat, [LTPF list of animals]? Or is it an object? Alive or dead? Organic compound? By the way I just asked a few questions on your non-solved as of yet disease puzzle... | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 103 Registered: 12-2010 |
Is what she asked for another animal?! Dog this one, cat, [LTPF list of animals]? Or is it an object? Alive or dead? Organic compound? Looks like you've found all the relevant information, so here's the ********SPOILER******** This puzzle is based on the short story "Links Unterm Christbaum" (On the left under the christmas tree). A little girl desperately wishes for a dog, but her family tells her that it's impossible for them to keep one. However, her grandpa tells her she'll get "something that is alive" for Christmas, and of course she's all excited. The present turns out to be a little blue bird, hence the disappointment. Her grandfather places it on her hand and it suddenly bites her. She clenches her fist, and when she opens it, the bird is dead. By the way, the story ends with the sentence "It's not easy to be a child and to know that you're someone who kills birds out of disappointment". When I first read it as a child, it made me cry, and I still can't read it without getting sad. | ||
| Cupofsun1 (Cupofsun1)
New member Username: Cupofsun1 Post Number: 47 Registered: 11-2010 |
That is sad. But a great puzzle. Now I want to try and spoil two of your puzzles in one day! Let's give "New Flame" some new life! Welcome to the LTPF board by the way! | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 105 Registered: 12-2010 |
Hehe, you solved "New Flame" as well! Wow! |
