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Because Nellis was fat, Paul thought she was trying to help the homeless. How come?
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Nellis = H? A? F?
Paul = H? A? M?

Is their relationship relevant? Friends? Family?
Is Paul homeless?
Are their occupations relevant?
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did she say something relevant? do something relevant? buy something? sell something? collect something?did he think she was trying to help by acquiring money for them? giving money to them? giving them physical objects? clothing?
did he think she was providing a home for someone? guiding the homeless to hostels? political lobbying?

did he misinterpret what she did? or said? did he see her do something and think she was doing something else? is food involved? did he see her do something and misinterpret her purpose?

is clothing relevant? eating? drinking? transport? seating? shopping? dieting?
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Nellis = H? yesA? irrel F? yes
Paul = H? yes A? irrel M? yes but irrel

Is their relationship relevant? no Friends? Family?
Is Paul homeless? no
Are their occupations relevant? no
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did she say something relevant? yesdo something relevant? see previous answerbuy something? irrelsell something? irrel collect something? irreldid he think she was trying to help by acquiring money for them? irrel giving money to them? irrelgiving them physical objects? irrelclothing?
did he think she was providing a home for someone? irrel guiding the homeless to hostels? irrel political lobbying?any specifoc beliefs she might have had about the sort of help she was providing are irrel

did he misinterpret what she did? see next answer or said? yesdid he see her do something and think she was doing something else? see previous answer is food involved? yes did he see her do something and misinterpret her purpose? no

is clothing relevant? noeating? yesdrinking? yestransport? no seating? noshopping? no dieting? yes
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so she said something about dieting and he lisinterpreted it as her saying that she was helping the homeless in some way? did she appear to be expressing sympathy? appear to be planning to donate something?
was she explaining why she wasn't eating/drinking something? was she being open about her diet? was she saying something to disguise the fact that she was dieting?
were they in a restaurant of some sort? some other kind of place where food is served? or sold?
relevant who she was speaking to? was it him?
did she make a statement? ask a question? give an order?
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so she said something about dieting and he lisinterpreted it as her saying that she was helping the homeless in some way? yes did she appear to be expressing sympathy? no appear to be planning to donate something? no
was she explaining why she wasn't eating/drinking something? nowas she being open about her diet? yes was she saying something to disguise the fact that she was dieting? no
were they in a restaurant of some sort? irrelsome other kind of place where food is served? irrel or sold? irrel
relevant who she was speaking to? no was it him? possibly
did she make a statement? yesask a question? nogive an order? no
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Was it a specific type of diet? Are homeless shelters relevant?
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was a particular kind of diet relevant? a faddy one?
did she mention something particular that she would be eating? or had eaten?
did she mention losing weight? becoming smaller?
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Was it a specific type of diet? noAre homeless shelters relevant? no
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was a particular kind of diet relevant? no a faddy one? no
did she mention something particular that she would be eating? noor had eaten? no
did she mention losing weight? possiblybecoming smaller? ditto
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Did he think she was donating food to the homeless?
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Did he think she was donating food to the homeless? possibly but not necessarily. As I said above, any beliefs he may have had about the specific sort of help she was providing are irrel
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Will the riddle be solved when we figure out what Nellis said? Did she say something about her diet? Is Paul dieting too? Is Paul fat too? Does she talk about anything relevant besides food and dieting?

Has Nellis recently lost weight? Recently gained weight? Did Paul notice a weight change in Nellis? Is Paul fat? and trying to lose weight, too?

Are either Paul or Nellis homeless themselves? Anybody they know?

Are they in modern-day America?
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Did Nellis said that she was going to give the food and drink a better use, meaning that she was going to eat less and Paul misinterpret her thinking that she was going to feed the homeless people?
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Will the riddle be solved when we figure out what Nellis said? Yes, or at least you'll be VERY CLOSE to the solutiin!Did she say something about her diet? yesIs Paul dieting too? probably not Is Paul fat too? irrelDoes she talk about anything relevant besides food and dieting? yes

Has Nellis recently lost weight? irrelRecently gained weight? ditto Did Paul notice a weight change in Nellis? dittoIs Paul fat? irrel and trying to lose weight, too? probably not

Are either Paul or Nellis homeless themselves? noAnybody they know?probably not

Are they in modern-day America? yes
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Did Nellis said that she was going to give the food and drink a better use, meaning that she was going to eat less and Paul misinterpret her thinking that she was going to feed the homeless people? no
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Had Nellis just started her diet? Had she been dieting long? Was she planning to end her diet?
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Had Nellis just started her diet? irrel Had she been dieting long? irrel Was she planning to end her diet? irrel
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Did the diet involve her eating specific foods? Not eating specific foods? Was she also exercising?
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Did the diet involve her eating specific foods? irrel Not eating specific foods? irrel Was she also exercising? probably
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Was she the only one dieting?
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Was she the only one dieting?Do you mean the only person relevant to this puzzle? If so, the answer is probably
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Was Paul encouraging Nellis concerning her diet? Discouraging her? Do Paul and Nellis know each other? Are they related?
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Was Paul encouraging Nellis concerning her diet? irrelDiscouraging her? irrelDo Paul and Nellis know each other? irrelAre they related? irrel
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Was Nellis having a conversation with someone else, and Paul misheard what she said? Hence the misunderstanding? Do Paul and Nellis even know each other? Relation important?
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Was Nellis having a conversation with someone else, and Paul misheard what she said? Hence the misunderstanding? Do Paul and Nellis even know each other? Relation important?
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Was Nellis having a conversation with someone else, and Paul misheard what she said? Hence the misunderstanding? Do Paul and Nellis even know each other? Relation important?
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Was Nellis having a conversation with someone else possibly, and Paul misheard what she said? no Hence the misunderstanding? no Do Paul and Nellis even know each other? irrelRelation important? no
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Could anybody have said what Nellis said, and Paul would have made the same misunderstanding? Or is there something unique about Nellis we should try to figure out? About Paul? About their context/situation?

Do you, Nimue, know these characters?

Any of the following relevant: families of Paul or Nellis? holiday season? canned foods? Smoking or drinking alcohol? Medical profession? empathy with the homeless (to "know" what it's like to go hungry)?

[sorry about the multiple posts, I couldn't delete them]
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Could anybody have said what Nellis said, and Paul would have made the same misunderstanding? some people would be more likelyOr is there something unique about Nellis we should try to figure out? noAbout Paul? one characteristic would be relevantAbout their context/situation? yope or noish

Do you, Nimue, know these characters? I made this up, but Nellis could be almost any dieter

Any of the following relevant: families of Paul or Nellis? holiday season? canned foods? Smoking or drinking alcohol? Medical profession? empathy with the homeless (to "know" what it's like to go hungry)? a;; are irrel
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The characteristic about Paul - is it a physical characteristic? Does it have to do with religion? Ethics? Politics?
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The characteristic about Paul - is it a physical characteristic? We've already established a relevant physical characteristic:Paul is probably not dieting. For another relevant characteristic, see next answer bur oneDoes it have to do with religion? no Ethics? yes Politics?no
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HINT: If you've ever been on a diet, I bet you've often said what Nellis says.
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Does Nellis say "I'll start tomorrow"? That's what I say when I'm planning to diet (;
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Does Nellis say "I'll start tomorrow"? irrel--that's not it That's what I say when I'm planning to diet (; I said that for over a decade--but then I did diet & lost over 150 pounds (which I've kept off--no fun, but I think the quality of life is much less important than the quantity.)
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"I've been good, so I can cheat a little today."
"I've been dieting and exercising for x weeks, but I haven't lost any weight. I must have bad genetics."
"Sorry I can't eat x food, I'm on a diet."
"I really want to eat x food, but I'm on a diet."
"I'd be happy if I could lose just x pounds."
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"I've been good, yes so I can cheat a little today." no
"I've been dieting and exercising for x weeks, but I haven't lost any weight. I must have bad genetics." no
"Sorry I can't eat x food, I'm on a diet." no
"I really want to eat x food, but I'm on a diet."
"I'd be happy if I could lose just x pounds." no

************* SPOILER **************
Paul is such as high-quality person that when he heard Nellis say, I was very good today," he thought she had helped some of the many homeless people in their city. But Nellis, like most people, was superficial enough to think she was good when she stuck to her diet.Show how good you are at lateral thinking by solving my new puzzle at the bottom of the page!

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