| Author | Message | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2831 Registered: 9-2010 |
"What an odd man..." I mused, wondering how to reconcile the different versions. It would be amusing if they were all true...what an amusing story that would be! | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11302 Registered: 4-2010 |
Different versions - of the same song? Do the versions all tell the story of the same person? Are they vastly different stories? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2833 Registered: 9-2010 |
Different versions - of the same song? yope Do the versions all tell the story of the same person? for svv of "person", it would seem so Are they vastly different stories? yes | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11304 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the "person" H? A? M? Legendary? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2834 Registered: 9-2010 |
Is the "person" H? Noish A? Yes M? Yes Legendary? Yes | ||
| Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member Username: Whirligig Post Number: 890 Registered: 8-2010 |
Tall tales relevant? Pecos Pete/Bill? Paul Bunyan? Chuck Norris? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4542 Registered: 5-2003 |
Different versions - singers, tunes, lyrics relevant? Is something significant changed? Replaced? Removed? Added? Relevant what country this song is from (if so, LTPF list)? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2839 Registered: 9-2010 |
Tall tales relevant? not what I'd call this Pecos Pete/Bill? Paul Bunyan? Chuck Norris?who's he again? no, none of them Different versions - singers, tunes, lyrics relevant? not really, the fact that it's a song is largely irrelevant, although finding out the song would help Is something significant changed? Replaced? Removed? Added? no Relevant what country this song is from (if so, LTPF list)? Scotland, though other similar tales of the character are told worldwide | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 1012 Registered: 5-2009 |
Is the character presented (at least in some versions) as: a warrior/soldier? a lover? a husband? a bridegroom? a wife? a bride? a labourer? a political activist? a drinker? a traveller? a musician? a dancer? a poet? a wizard/witch? a holy person? a child? a mother? a father? a scholar? a ruler? an official? a rogue? a murderer? a prisoner? a jester? an innkeeper? a merchant? a craftsman? Is the character H? A? M? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2844 Registered: 9-2010 |
Is the character presented (at least in some versions) as: a warrior/soldier? yes, in fact in the other version of the song, he is this a lover? yes a husband? a bridegroom? a wife? yes a bride? yes a labourer? a political activist? a drinker? yes a traveller? yes a musician? yes a dancer? yes a poet? a wizard/witch? yes a holy person? a child? a mother? yes a father? yes a scholar? a ruler? yes an official? yes a rogue? a murderer? a prisoner? yes a jester? an innkeeper? no, BUT... a merchant? a craftsman? Is the character H? sometimes A? yes M? sometimes. The character in the relevant *song* is adult and male, but is a brownie, not a human, though he's called a "man"...any I didn't answer are either no or I don't know, so consider irrelevant. I answered the questions for the character not just in the song (as some clearly contradict) but through all the tales this figure appears in. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11315 Registered: 4-2010 |
Are the folksongs Irish? Or another form of folk music? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2846 Registered: 9-2010 |
Are the folksongs Irish? Or another form of folk music? FA...only one song is relevant, which is from Scotland. The rest are poems or stories. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11328 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the nationality of the character relevant? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2847 Registered: 9-2010 |
Is the nationality of the character relevant? For svv of "nationality"...I wouldn't call it that in most cases... | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11331 Registered: 4-2010 |
Race of the character relevant? Ethnicity? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2848 Registered: 9-2010 |
Race of the character relevant? Ethnicity? you've still got the same FA... | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11335 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is there only one character? More than one? Or does nationality/race/whatever differ per story? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2849 Registered: 9-2010 |
Is there only one character? yope...More than one? the character differs in every tellingOr does nationality/race/whatever differ per story? yesish...you still have that FA. The character isn't precisely human, despite (usually) being referred to as a man (except, of course, when female, which happens more in Asia) | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11339 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did stories about this character begin to emerge in [LTPF list of centuries]? Are they still around today? Are they still being produced today? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2851 Registered: 9-2010 |
Did stories about this character begin to emerge in [LTPF list of centuries]? presumably tales in all variations have been told from antiquity, but the folksong's particular character was first told about in 1820, as a relic of a Jacobite song about the Battle of Sherriffmuir in 1715Are they still around today? many people still believe in some version of this character Are they still being produced today? I'm sure thousands of children hear about this figure of astronomical proportions every day | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11341 Registered: 4-2010 |
"Astronomical proportions" - is he a giant? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2853 Registered: 9-2010 |
"Astronomical proportions" - is he a giant? he may well be in some variations, but that's irrelevant...I was thinking rather more literally, when I said "astronomical" | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11343 Registered: 4-2010 |
Something to do with the stars? Or space? Or rockets? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2854 Registered: 9-2010 |
Something to do with the stars? no, with the exception of Sol in some of the legends Or space? the astronomical body I'm thinking of is quite a bit closer than stars Or rockets? no rockets | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11345 Registered: 4-2010 |
The Man in the Moon? Relevant that other countries see different things than a man (a rabbit, woman, etc.)? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2855 Registered: 9-2010 |
The Man in the Moon? Relevant that other countries see different things than a man (a rabbit, woman, etc.)? yes, exactly and precisely so! now all that's left to figure out is the Scottish folk song, where said man, or brownie, is given a particular name and description... | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11346 Registered: 4-2010 |
Aiken Drum? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2856 Registered: 9-2010 |
Aiken Drum? yes!!!!!!!! ***SPOILER*** The Man in the Moon is a figure that spans many cultures. Of course, not all of them see him as a man; some see her as a woman or some animal, or even more than one person or creature up there. My favorite at the moment is to think of him as Tilion, the Maia, from Tolkien's legendarium, who steers the last flower of the Silver Tree of Telperion across the sky. But this puzzle wasn't about him, it was about the *first* named "Man in the Moon" I was introduced to as a child...Aiken Drum. From Wikipedia: Modern versions of the lyrics include: There was a man lived in the moon, lived in the moon, lived in the moon, There was a man lived in the moon, And his name was Aiken Drum. Chorus And he played upon a ladle, a ladle, a ladle, And he played upon a ladle, and his name was Aiken Drum. And his hat was made of good cream cheese, of good cream cheese, of good cream cheese, And his hat was made of good cream cheese, And his name was Aiken Drum. And his coat was made of good roast beef, of good roast beef, of good roast beef, And his coat was made of good roast beef, And his name was Aiken Drum. And his buttons made of penny loaves, of penny loaves, of penny loaves, And his buttons made of penny loaves, And his name was Aiken Drum. And his buttons made of crust pies, of crust pies, of crust pies, And his buttons made of crust pies, And his name was Aiken Drum. And his breeches made of haggis bags, of haggis bags, of haggis bags, And his breeches made of haggis bags, And his name was Aiken Drum. The original poem included these lines: Ken you how a Whig can fight, Aikendrum, Aikendrum? Ken you how a Whig can fight, Aikendrum? He can fight the hero bright, With swift heels and armour light, And his wind of heav'nly might, Aikendrum, Aikendrum! Is not Rowley in the right, Aikendrum? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4550 Registered: 5-2003 |
Huh. I wouldn't have gotten this, because it's never occurred to me to think of Aikendrum as the same thing as "the Man in the Moon." I think of the latter as assorted descriptions of the Moon's features, and the other verses of Aikendrum don't refer to the moon or (for example) suggest that Mare Tranquilitatis is "a coat made of good roast beef." Interesting puzzle. |
