| Author | Message | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 494 Registered: 1-2011 |
Today at work I went to the office room and asked for something to do. I really wanted a new task. In the same minute I got a task, and I felt sad and nervous about that. Person, who assigned me the task, became also sad and nervous. Our boss went angry about it, which was no surprise to anybody. | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 3165 Registered: 9-2010 |
OK, so there's three people involved, correct? You, Redwine (HAF, right?) Other Person = H/A/M? H/A/F? H/A/Irr? And Boss? H/A/M? H/A/F? H/A/Irr? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 498 Registered: 1-2011 |
Kayleetonkslupin: OK, so there's three people involved, correct? yes You, Redwine (HAF, right?)yes Other Person = H/A/M? H/A/F? yes H/A/Irr? And Boss? H/A/M? yes H/A/F? H/A/Irr? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 3166 Registered: 9-2010 |
Is your task related to one of these? Artistic / musical / writer Banking / financial / real estate Clerical / Administrative Computer related / Hardware Construction / Craftsman Criminal / Questionable Repute Education / Academic Research Entertainment / Media Environmental / Outdoors / Nature Executive / Management Hospitality / Travel Legal Services Manufacturing / Distributions Medical / Health Services Politics / Government / Military Sales / Marketing Technical / Science / Engineering Teaching / Child care Transportation Food Service Other | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 500 Registered: 1-2011 |
Kayleetonkslupin: Is your task related to one of these? Legal services, and also Banking / financial / real estate - but the latter may be misleading | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12037 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the task you wanted the same as the task you got? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3734 Registered: 9-2009 |
Were your boss angry because: you got the task? You got sad and nervous? Your supervisor got sad and nervous? The task hadn't been assigned earlier? Was the task something you normally do? Something in your job description? Was it difficult? Dangerous? Stressful? Are you sad and nervous about: having to do the task? About the task existing in the first place? Will doing the task hurt someone? Hurt you? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 502 Registered: 1-2011 |
Balin: Is the task you wanted the same as the task you got? no GalFisk: Were your boss angry because: you got the task? You got sad and nervous? Your supervisor got sad and nervous? The task hadn't been assigned earlier? none of these Was the task something you normally do? yope Something in your job description? no Was it difficult? no Dangerous? no Stressful? only because the boss got angry Are you sad and nervous about: having to do the task? no About the task existing in the first place? YES! Will doing the task hurt someone? DOYD of "hurt" Hurt you? no | ||
| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 373 Registered: 7-2010 |
Is another person involved? Someone in a dire financial situation? Due to illness / an accident / the loss of a job / someone else's deasth? Did your task have to do with taking money or stuff away from that person? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 503 Registered: 1-2011 |
Potato Is another person involved? very peripherally Someone in a dire financial situation? but no Due to illness / an accident / the loss of a job / someone else's deasth? Did your task have to do with taking money or stuff away from that person? no to the rest | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1389 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was the boss angry at you? At the other person? At someone else? Was his anger justified? Can we call the other person Mary? Is Mary your supervisor? That normally should give tasks to you? Did you simply ask "Give me something to do" or you referred to a specific thing? Was the task supposed to be finished some time ago only for you to discover that it was not? Was this the reason for your boss' anger? Is it relevant what the actual task was? Was it related to your normal day-to-day activities, or it was something uncommon (like "fix the scanner")? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 504 Registered: 1-2011 |
Rbruma: Was the boss angry at you? yope At the other person? yopeAt someone else? yes Was his anger justified? noish I assume that by "other person" you mean the one who assigned the task, and by "someone else" you mean the one peripherally involved. Can we call the other person Mary? sure Is Mary your supervisor? yope - sorry for that answerThat normally should give tasks to you? yes Did you simply ask "Give me something to do" this or you referred to a specific thing? Was the task supposed to be finished some time ago only for you to discover that it was not? no Was this the reason for your boss' anger? so no Is it relevant what the actual task was? only generally Was it related to your normal day-to-day activities, or it was something uncommon both in fact, I know that I'm not helpful here, sorry (like "fix the scanner")? but nothing like this | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1392 Registered: 9-2009 |
Mary being yopishly your supervisor: Does she work in the same company? Is she your supervisor only on some aspects of your job? Is your boss also hers? Is she passing tasks to you as the normal flow of operation, but cannot in fact "order" you to finish them? Is she able to control the output of the tasks assigned to you? Does she hold a superior degree than you but is not technically your supervisor in the org chart? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3740 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is "someone else" a client/customer? Someone in the company? Was the boss also angry about the task existing in the first place? Has something bad happened? Will something bad happen? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 515 Registered: 1-2011 |
Rbruma: Mary being yopishly your supervisor: Does she work in the same company? yes Is she your supervisor only on some aspects of your job? you may call it that way Is your boss also hers? yes Is she passing tasks to you as the normal flow of operation, but cannot in fact "order" you to finish them? yes - tiny ish Is she able to control the output of the tasks assigned to you? no Does she hold a superior degree than you but is not technically your supervisor in the org chart? not really. Our firm is small and we have no degrees or org charts. Our relations of superiority are not really relevant. GalFisk: Is "someone else" a client/customer? no Someone in the company? yes Was the boss also angry about the task existing in the first place? yes Has something bad happened? DOYD of bad, but you may safely assume so Will something bad happen? no | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3742 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did the task exist because: something had gone wrong? Something had not been done? Something had been done incorrectly? Did you get the task because it had not been done? Or not been done correctly/fully? Was your boss angry because of wasted time? Or money? Are you sad because something sad has happened? Is someone relevant sick? Or dead? Any relevant objects involved? Animal(s)? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 518 Registered: 1-2011 |
GalFisk: Did the task exist because: something had gone wrong? Something had not been done? Something had been done incorrectly? YES Did you get the task because it had not been done? Or not been done correctly/fully? thisish Was your boss angry because of wasted time? Or money? none of these Are you sad because something sad has happened? nothing not connected with the task Is someone relevant sick? Or dead? Any relevant objects involved? Animal(s)? no to the rest | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1393 Registered: 9-2009 |
So, please confirm if correct: you want to do something so you ask a colleague to give you something to do. She does so, but then both of you realize that you have to do it because some other colleague screw it up previously. Upon learning the fact, your boss gets angry. Both you and Mary become sad and nervous. Are there any relevant elements missing or misplaced? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3745 Registered: 9-2009 |
Had it be done incorrectly by: you? Mary? Your boss? "Someone else"? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 520 Registered: 1-2011 |
Rbruma: So, please confirm if correct: you want to do something so you ask a colleague to give you something to do. (1) here's something missing She does so, (4) but then both of you realize that you have to do it because some other colleague screw it up previously (2). Upon learning the fact, your boss gets angry. (5) Both you and Mary become sad and nervous.(3) Are there any relevant elements missing or misplaced? one missing, numbers indicate proper order of events GalFisk: Had it be done incorrectly by: you? Mary? Your boss? only that he's supposed to check everything we do before it gets out "Someone else"? this | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1398 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did the task imply filling in some papers? Forms? Applications? Writing on envelopes? Did the mistake end up in financial loss? If so: for the company? for someone outside the company? Was something that should have been sent not sent at all? Do you require any specific tools to perform the task? Writing instruments? Computer? Printer? Scanner? Network connectivity? Others? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 524 Registered: 1-2011 |
Rbruma: Did the task imply filling in some papers? noish Forms? Applications? Writing on envelopes? no to the rest Did the mistake end up in financial loss? no - it could if not corrected If so: for the company? for someone outside the company? this Was something that should have been sent not sent at all? no Do you require any specific tools to perform the task? Writing instruments? Computer? this Printer? Scanner? Network connectivity? only to other computers in company Others? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12060 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was the task for a client? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 525 Registered: 1-2011 |
Balin: Was the task for a client? yesish - yope | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3752 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did the task involve: numbers? Calculations? Laws? Would a law had been broken if the work had not been corrected? Would it put the company in a bad light? Is the boss angry because: the job was not done right? He did not check the work? Because the potential consequences had it not been corrected? Something else? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 539 Registered: 1-2011 |
GalFisk: Did the task involve: numbers? Calculations? Laws? none in fact Would a law had been broken if the work had not been corrected? no Would it put the company in a bad light? it already did Is the boss angry because: the job was not done right? this He did not check the work? a bit of this also Because the potential consequences had it not been corrected? I don't understand the question. Can you please clarify? Something else? no | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3758 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was he angry bacause the damage it could've caused, had it not been corrected? Do we need to know more about: why he was angry? Why you were sad? why you were nervous? Were you sad and nervous for the exact same reasons as Mary? Do we need to know more about the task itself? Did the consequences of the mistake reach outside the company? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 16 Registered: 2-2011 |
when you asked for something to do, did you have something specific in mind? were you unable to do the specific task because it was discovered that the other thing had not been done/been done badly? did you and Mary both realise it needed doing at the same time? were you nervous because you were worried about your own ability? or whether it could be done at all? or in case the boss found out? did you ask Mary for something to do? someone else? just people in general? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 541 Registered: 1-2011 |
GalFisk: Was he angry bacause the damage it could've caused, had it not been corrected? not really, it may be a minor reason Do we need to know more about: why he was angry? it has already been discovered Why you were sad? yes why you were nervous? yes Were you sad and nervous for the exact same reasons as Mary? yes Do we need to know more about the task itself? a bit, but do not seek details, you're missing something general Did the consequences of the mistake reach outside the company? yes Shez: when you asked for something to do, did you have something specific in mind? no were you unable to do the specific task because it was discovered that the other thing had not been done/been done badly? no did you and Mary both realise it needed doing at the same time? no - she did first and that's important were you nervous because you were worried about your own ability? no or whether it could be done at all? no or in case the boss found out? yope - explore! did you ask Mary for something to do? someone else? just people in general? yes - everybody present in the office room, that's two people total in fact, we're small company RECAP: A few days ago I went to the office room at work and asked for something to do. I wanted a new task and I had nothing specific in mind. Then something yet unknown happened and first Mary and then I realized that a contract had been prepared badly by our colleague and needed to be urgently corrected. Both me and Mary became sad and nervous and she asked me to do the correction. The reason of us being sad and nervous is yopishly that the boss could find out. The boss got angry about it, which was no surprise to anybody. He was angry mainly because the mistake had been done at all. Focusing on the role of the boss in the works of the company will be helpful, as much as on the nature of the mistake/correction. HINT: We prepare legal contracts concerning real estates. There is no other way to buy/sell a real estate than having the contract made by the company like ours. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12142 Registered: 4-2010 |
Had the colleague been assigned to do the contract? Was he supposed to do it at all? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 544 Registered: 1-2011 |
Balin: Had the colleague been assigned to do the contract? Was he supposed to do it at all? yes to both | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 43 Registered: 2-2011 |
is it the role of the boss to check every contract? is it to sign every contract? is the colleague related to the boss? it wasn't the boss himself? I mean that he prepared the contract himself and was angry because he got it wrong? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1404 Registered: 9-2009 |
Do you work in a public notary office? Do we need to have background information other that we already have? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 545 Registered: 1-2011 |
Shez: is it the role of the boss to check every contract? yes is it to sign every contract? YES is the colleague related to the boss? no it wasn't the boss himself? no I mean that he prepared the contract himself and was angry because he got it wrong? and no Rbruma: Do you work in a public notary office? yes Do we need to have background information other that we already have? no, see above what else has been discovered | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 72 Registered: 2-2011 |
so were you and the supervisor both nervous because it involved letting the boss know that he had signed a contract which was deficient in some way? was the boss angry with himself? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 550 Registered: 1-2011 |
Shez: so were you and the supervisor both nervous because it involved letting the boss know that he had signed a contract which was deficient in some way? YES - there's no way our boss didn't get known - he had to sign the correction! was the boss angry with himself? no So, only the type of mistake is missing and you have it done. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12194 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he make a typo? Insert an incorrect amount somewhere? Make a mathematical error? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 81 Registered: 2-2011 |
was a name wrong on the contract? his? the client? was it a date that was wrong? an address? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 552 Registered: 1-2011 |
Balin: Did he make a typo? YES! Insert an incorrect amount somewhere? Make a mathematical error? so no to the rest Shez: was a name wrong on the contract? and YES his? the client? this was it a date that was wrong? an address? so no to the rest Good job, and here's the *********SPOILER********** I work in a notary office and we prepare legal contracts concerning real estates. All contracts must be signed by one of our bosses (there are two of them), so they bear the whole responsibility for the works of the office. They are very anxious about accuracy and they want us to care about all the tiny details, for which none other office cares. They particularly hate making corrections - they consider it humiliating. A few days ago I went to the office room at work and asked for something to do. I wanted a new task and I had nothing specific in mind. Then a telephone rang and I observed my colleague Mary getting pale - then I knew that something wrong had happened. The client rang and told us that a contract contained a typo in one surname and the bank didn't want to pay credit money, unless it was corrected. Both me and Mary became sad and nervous and she asked me to do the correction. We were sad and nervous because we knew that our boss had to be informed (he had to sign the correction - there was no way to keep him uninformed) and he will sure be angry about it. The most annoying thing about it was that the mistake was only a typo, made by "spelling correction" function of the computer and happened only once in the whole contract, in the paragraph where usually nobody cares for that. Thanks to everybody who contributed, and especially Balin and Shez for the solve. | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 101 Registered: 2-2011 |
yay! thanks RW |
