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Posted on Friday, February 25, 2011 - 6:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A man walks into a bar and orders a drink. After the bartender gives it to him, the man next to him pulls out a gun and shoots them both dead. Why?
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is this an old one?

can we call the first man Roger, the bartender Neville and the man who shoots them Gervaise?

did Roger know Neville? Gervaise?

did Neville know Roger? Gervaise?

did Gervaise know Roger? Neville? or did he recognise them?

is this event fictional? modern-day? or wild west?

was Gervaise a professional killer? like a hit man?
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is this an old one? No, this is new and FMOI.

can we call the first man Roger, the bartender Neville and the man who shoots them Gervaise? Sure

did Roger know Neville? Gervaise? Neither

did Neville know Roger? Gervaise? Neither

did Gervaise know Roger? No Neville? Noish or did he recognise them? Yope

is this event fictional? modern-day? or wild west? Fictional, set in the modern day

was Gervaise a professional killer? like a hit man? No, but think along these lines.
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Posted on Friday, February 25, 2011 - 8:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I knew it would be FYOI, but you do understand...I had to eliminate the possibility

did Gervaise kill the other two on behalf of someone else?

did he in fact kill them both for the same reason?

does Roger get the chance to drink the drink?

is the type of drink important? alcoholic? a cocktail? water?
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Posted on Friday, February 25, 2011 - 9:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Would Roger have been killed if:
he had ordered something to eat?
he had ordered something else to drink?
there was another bartender - not Neville - at work?
he had ordered the same but said it differently?
Would Roger have been killed before getting a drink?

Would Neville had been killed if:
Roger was a woman?
Roger had ordered something to eat?
Roger had ordered something else to drink?
Roger had ordered the same but said it differently?
Would Neville have been killed before Roger getting a drink?
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I knew it would be FYOI, but you do understand...I had to eliminate the possibility Understood

did Gervaise kill the other two on behalf of someone else? No

did he in fact kill them both for the same reason? No

does Roger get the chance to drink the drink? No

is the type of drink important? Yes alcoholic? Assume it was a cocktail? It easily could have been this water? But not this

Would Roger have been killed if:
he had ordered something to eat? Probably not
he had ordered something else to drink? Also probably not
there was another bartender - not Neville - at work? No - good q!
he had ordered the same but said it differently? Yes
Would Roger have been killed before getting a drink? No

Would Neville had been killed if:
Roger was a woman? Yes
Roger had ordered something to eat? Unlikely
Roger had ordered something else to drink? Also unlikely
Roger had ordered the same but said it differently? Yes
Would Neville have been killed before Roger getting a drink? No
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did Roger forget to say please?

was Roger an alcoholic? was gervaise? Neville?
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Was it a Molotov Cocktail? (I just had to ask). When I turn 21, I'm so going to go into a bar and ask for one of those.
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did Roger forget to say please? No

was Roger an alcoholic? was gervaise? Neville? None of them

Was it a Molotov Cocktail? (I just had to ask). No When I turn 21, I'm so going to go into a bar and ask for one of those. Have a video camera at hand.
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Did he order a shot? A double shot?
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did the bartender usually work there? or was it his first day, or a one-off?

did he have another occupation?
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Did Neville do anything relevant besides preparing and giving Roger his drink? Is there anything relevant about Neville besides his being a bartender?
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Was Gervais mistaken about Roger? Neville? Did he intend to kill someone else?

Are location or time period relevant?

(Great puzzle statement, btw!)
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Posted on Sunday, February 27, 2011 - 5:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he order a shot? A double shot? Neither

did the bartender usually work there? or was it his first day, or a one-off? Irrel, assume he was a regular

did he have another occupation? Yes, with svv of "occupation"

Did Neville do anything relevant besides preparing and giving Roger his drink? Yope Is there anything relevant about Neville besides his being a bartender? Yes

Was Gervais mistaken about Roger? Neville? Did he intend to kill someone else? No to all

Are location or time period relevant? Yesish/Yope

(Great puzzle statement, btw!) Thanks!
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Speaking of Molotov cocktails, I once dreamed I was at a bar and when the bartender asked me what I wanted to drink, I ordered a Molotov cocktail, lol.

Mafia relevant? Gangs?
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Speaking of Molotov cocktails, I once dreamed I was at a bar and when the bartender asked me what I wanted to drink, I ordered a Molotov cocktail, lol.

Mafia relevant? No, but... Gangs? ...an extremely large YES. Two leaps in two posts on two puzzles...if that means something, I don't know what.
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Gangs as in Bloods and Crips? Were Neville and Roger in different gangs? The same gang? Neville and Gervaise? Roger and Gervaise? Were all of them in one gang or another?

And speaking of dreaming about being in bars, I dreamt last night that I was locked in a bar and the police were coming to arrest me for underage drinking and then I got woken up by the locksmith knocking on my door to fix the lock.
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Gangs as in Bloods and Crips? Yes Were Neville and Roger in different gangs? The same gang? Neville and Gervaise? These two were in different gangs Roger and Gervaise? Were all of them in one gang or another? No

And speaking of dreaming about being in bars, I dreamt last night that I was locked in a bar and the police were coming to arrest me for underage drinking and then I got woken up by the locksmith knocking on my door to fix the lock. At least the locksmith didn't arrest you. I haven't had any dreams like that lately. For that matter, I can't remember any recent dreams.
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Did Gervase know that Neville was in the other gang, before Roger ordered his drink?
Was asking for a drink a coded message?
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Did Gervase know that Neville was in the other gang, before Roger ordered his drink? No
Was asking for a drink a coded message? No
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Was Gervaise waiting for someone? Did Gervaise mistake Roger for someone else?
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So then Roger isn't in any gang at all? So are the two gangs the Bloods and the Crips? Or other (real) gangs? [LTPF list of gangs]? Was the drink something that members of a certain gang frequently drank? Something that members of a certain gang wouldn't drink? (Sort of how Crips wouldn't order a Bloody Mary because it's red and that's the Bloods' color)
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Was Gervaise waiting for someone? Did Gervaise mistake Roger for someone else? No to both

So then Roger isn't in any gang at all? Correct So are the two gangs the Bloods and the Crips? No, I made them up Or other (real) gangs? So no [LTPF list of gangs]? But you can give them names if you'd like Was the drink something that members of a certain gang frequently drank? No Something that members of a certain gang wouldn't drink? No (Sort of how Crips wouldn't order a Bloody Mary because it's red and that's the Bloods' color)
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Did Gervaise properly heard what Roger said?

Is it correct to say that Gervaise shot Roger perfectly knowing that he's nothing to do with gangs?

Did Neville say something to Gervaise?
Was Roger a police officer? Or another law enforcement?

Did Gervaise think that his identity was revealed? Did he shot Roger and Neville to prevent being arrested?
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Did Gervaise properly heard what Roger said? Yes but irrel

Is it correct to say that Gervaise shot Roger perfectly knowing that he's nothing to do with gangs? Yes

Did Neville say something to Gervaise? No
Was Roger a police officer? Or another law enforcement? Neither, and his occupation is irrel

Did Gervaise think that his identity was revealed? No Did he shot Roger and Neville to prevent being arrested? No
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Did Gervaise shoot Roger first and then Neville, or the other way round?

did he shoot Roger as he was a potential witness?

did he shoot Roger to prove something?
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Did Gervaise shoot Roger first and then Neville, or the other way round? Neville first

did he shoot Roger as he was a potential witness? YES, and that's all you need to know for Roger.

did he shoot Roger to prove something? So no
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could it be then that poor Roger was just the trigger for Gervaise to shoot Neville?

eg Gervaise was able to get his gun out while Neville was distracted getting the drink?

or that something in the exchange between Roger and Neville showed Gervaise that this was the man to kill?

did G come to te bar on purpose to kill N? or was it a happy coincidence?
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could it be then that poor Roger was just the trigger for Gervaise to shoot Neville? Yopish

eg Gervaise was able to get his gun out while Neville was distracted getting the drink? No

or that something in the exchange between Roger and Neville showed Gervaise that this was the man to kill? YES

did G come to te bar on purpose to kill N? No or was it a happy coincidence? Happy for Gervaise
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Did Neville have any relevant tics or gestures? Specific manner of speaking? Specific manner of preparing drinks?

Did G know that his target works as a bartender in this bar?
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when Roger ordered the drink did he mention Neville's name? or something else which would have helped Gervaise identify him?

did Gervaise actually say anything out loud? did he speak with an accent? a stammer? was there anything special about his voice or the way he spoke?
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oops - my mistake

did Neville actually say anything out loud? did he speak with an accent? a stammer? was there anything special about his voice or the way he spoke?
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Did Neville have any relevant tics or gestures? No, but... Specific manner of speaking? No Specific manner of preparing drinks? No, but...

Did G know that his target works as a bartender in this bar? No

when Roger ordered the drink did he mention Neville's name? or something else which would have helped Gervaise identify him? No to both

did Gervaise actually say anything out loud? did he speak with an accent? a stammer? was there anything special about his voice or the way he spoke? Irrel, assume No to all

did Neville actually say anything out loud? Only to Roger, concerning his drink. Anything he said is irrelevant. did he speak with an accent? a stammer? was there anything special about his voice or the way he spoke? Irrel, assume No to all
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did Neville have any visible identifying characteristics? a tattoo?

was he wearing anything which would identify him? a ring? a chain?
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did Neville have any visible identifying characteristics? Yesish a tattoo? Yes!!

was he wearing anything which would identify him? No, but see previous a ring? a chain?
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Can we call Neville's gang the Funkanas and Gervaise's gang the Murderettos?

Did Neville's tattoo identify him as a member of the Funkanas? Some high ranking officer? The leader? Was he a high ranking officer? A leader? Or did it simply identify him as the Funkana who had done some wrong to a Muderetto, so Gervaise was getting revenge?
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Can we call Neville's gang the Funkanas and Gervaise's gang the Murderettos? Sure...

Did Neville's tattoo identify him as a member of the Funkanas? Yes Some high ranking officer? The leader? Was he a high ranking officer? A leader? No to these Or did it simply identify him as the Funkana who had done some wrong to a Muderetto, No so Gervaise was getting revenge? Noish/Yope
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did G kill N simply because he was a member of the Funkanas?

specifically because of something another Funkana had done?

do we need to identify the tattoo?
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Was the tattoo originally hidden, but became visible while making a drink for Roger?
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did G kill N simply because he was a member of the Funkanas? YES

specifically because of something another Funkana had done? Irrel

do we need to identify the tattoo? No

Was the tattoo originally hidden, but became visible while making a drink for Roger? Yes...!
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was the tatto on his wrist? his hand? his neck? his ankle? getting desperate now
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was the tatto on his wrist? Here his hand? his neck? his ankle? getting desperate now Permit me to aid with a

RECAP:

Roger walks into a bar and orders a drink, which could have been a cocktail, but not beer. Something happens that reveals a tattoo on Neville's wrist. This tattoo reveals Neville to be the member of a certain gang. Gervaise, the customer sitting next to Roger, is a member of a rival gang, so he shoots Neville. And then shoots Roger to remove any witnesses.

To solve: Why does the type of drink matter? And what caused the tattoo to be revealed?
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was it because Neville had to reach for a particular kind of glass? or the ice? or a bottle behind the bar?

and then his sleeve fell back to reveal the tattoo?
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Did the drink need to be shaked in shaker?
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was it because Neville had to reach for a particular kind of glass? or the ice? or a bottle behind the bar? No, but see below

and then his sleeve fell back to reveal the tattoo? Yes...

Did the drink need to be shaked in shaker? Yes!

**********SPOILER**********

In the bar, Roger ordered a mixed drink. While shaking the shaker, Neville's sleeve slid down, revealing his gang tattoo. Gervaise...you know the rest.

Excellent work, Shez and Redwine.
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thanks Balin - I'd like to say it's been fun. I'd lke to...
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Well, you've been doing well!
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aw shucks. you too!

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